Once in Heaven, can you lose your salvation?

Triumph1300 · Mar 4, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
The earth is your home

If that's what you believe fine to me.

My home is not on earth, my home is in heaven.
I'm just travelling through at this moment.
I'm a pilgrim.

Triumph1300 · Mar 4, 2018

mjrhealth said:
How on earth did this topic start anyway, how ridiculous to think that once you are in heaven you could possibly loose your salvation.

False teachings are for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

forrestcupp · Mar 4, 2018

mjrhealth said:
Jesus is certainly not beneath me, as for Gods word. It is Spirit and it is Life.... not dead pages in a book, and the bible says, Jesus is Gods word and guess what He is Spirit and HE is life., and God is under no obligation to agree with teh bible if its not from Him, only when it is and when it agrees with Him. And so you see men arguing of which Gods word is actually Gods word and which is teh correct one. The foolish wisdom and pride of man.

Not that I disagree with you about Jesus being the Logos/Word, but where did you learn that? The Bible?

mjrhealth · Mar 5, 2018

forrestcupp said:
Not that I disagree with you about Jesus being the Logos/Word, but where did you learn that? The Bible?

Well you see. God is my God. not teh bible, so if God tells me it is so, than it is so, ie'

Eph_1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

And that is how God teaches those who are willing to listen, but so few are...

brakelite · Mar 5, 2018

mjrhealth said:
Eph_1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

At last, an excuse to change this stupid topic into something deeper and more meaningful.
And likely more controversial. (Don't blame me though. mjrhealth quoted the scripture

So, several decades after Jesus rises into heaven where He now officiates as our High Priest, the Father is described in scripture as being Jesus's God. And this isn't the only place Paul so describes this relationship.
1 Cor. 15:
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he (Christ) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he (the Father)shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he (Christ) must reign, till he (the Father)hath put all enemies under his (Christ's) feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he (the Father)hath put all things under his (Christ's)feet. But when he (the Father)saith all things are put under him (Christ), it is manifest that he (the Father) is excepted which did put all things under him (Christ).
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Christ), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (the Father)that put all things under him (Christ), that God (the Father) may be all in all.

See also 2 Corinthians 1:2,3; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Colossians 1:3; 1 Peter 1:3.
Anyone care to attempt to reconcile the above verses with a trinity God whose all 3 members are supposed to be perfectly equal in every way? And that God, whether trinity or not, is never meant to change?

mjrhealth · Mar 5, 2018

@brakelite buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz is that what hornets sound like, cant remember...

bbyrd009 · Mar 5, 2018

Triumph1300 said:
If that's what you believe fine to me.

My home is not on earth, my home is in heaven.
I'm just travelling through at this moment.
I'm a pilgrim.

you were told to leave the world, not the earth though
that is just another counterfeit
you are commanded to manifest heaven here,
not capitulate to evil and wait for Jesus to come take you to a party

bbyrd009 · Mar 5, 2018

Delta Dawn
what's that flower
you have on?

Wanting to Serve · Mar 5, 2018

Sadly I do not have time to even read all of the replies so please excuse me if I am repeating anything somebody already said. As a child I used to concern myself that there could be another mutiny in heaven and that there would never really be peace because of that. Though scripture does not explicitly say this (so this is ONLY a theory) I believe that the time for the devil & angels to have free will (like we do now) was a window of time that has now been shut for all eternity. Similarly once our body dies or Jesus comes again, our window of free will is OVER. Therefore, no, one cannot lose their salvation once in heaven. Revelation 21:4
“And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” God bless! I would focus on loving others (in truth of course) and not focus on that which God will take care of. God is good, ALL the time. And ALL the time, God is good. We can trust Him. He has this taken care of. One day we will understand fully.

Triumph1300 · Mar 5, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
you were told to leave the world, not the earth though
that is just another counterfeit
you are commanded to manifest heaven here,
not capitulate to evil and wait for Jesus to come take you to a party

Been drinking again?
Didn't I tell you to stop doing that, bbyrd?

Triumph1300 · Mar 5, 2018

mjrhealth said:
And that is how God teaches those who are willing to listen, but so few are...

That might be true.
But if what He's telling you contradicts the Bible, there's a problem I think.

Triumph1300 · Mar 5, 2018

mjrhealth said:
Well you see. God is my God. not teh bible, so if God tells me it is so, than it is so, ie'

Hopefully you were not drinking the same stuff bbyrd was drinking?
All joking aside, GOD IS THE BIBLE.

bbyrd009 · Mar 5, 2018

Triumph1300 said:
Been drinking again?
Didn't I tell you to stop doing that, bbyrd?

that is supposed to be an answer for this?

bbyrd009 said:
you were told to leave the world, not the earth though
that is just another counterfeit
you are commanded to manifest heaven here,
not capitulate to evil and wait for Jesus to come take you to a party

then fwiw i'll tell you that i can't thank you enough, ok,
i simply couldn't explain how perversely happy this makes me at this moment.
i'll be sorrowful for it later, so i'm laughing now and crying later, if that helps

Triumph1300 · Mar 5, 2018

Well, bbyrd, I've accepted that we've all got crap to deal with and problems that we're fighting not to be defined by. At the end of the day, we all want the same stuff: fulfillment, love, support, comfort, and a hot-air balloon with laser guns attached to it.
I hope this helps.

brakelite · Mar 5, 2018

That Lucifer rebelled whilst occupying one of the most exalted positions in heaven, right next to the throne of God, one can I suppose be forgiven for thinking that if he can, so can I. But consider this. Lucifer's rebellion was against government. His was a determined attempt at a coup. He thought that he could do better. He convinced a third of the angels that this was not just necessary, but possible. The basis for this must have been on a conclusion he and others had developed that God's way of doing things was somehow deficient and that his laws somehow too demanding and unnecessary. "After all, we are holy angels, perfect in every way, why should we be restricted by arbitrary laws and regulations? Aren't we free to do as we please? God is being tyrannical...arbitrary...selfish. He only loves so long as that love is reciprocated".
Maybe the above is difficult to imagine. But are not all coups based on those premises? Are not opposition political campaigns based on those premises? Lucifer'srebellion was also built on a lack of faith in the love of God. They did not know...no-one did, the extent of the grace and mercy of God.
The difference when we are there after the resurrection is that all those arguments were decided and settled at Calvary. Calvary removed forever all doubt as to the self-sacrifical love of God. That God gave His only begotten Son to mankind, to forever live as a human being as the second highest authority in the universe gives man utter and complete confidence that God does indeed care with true agape love for His creation and that His way of governance and rule is just, merciful, gracious, longsuffering, and completely selfless. There will never again be a hint of rebellion or selfishness. All will be peace and harmony forever. Every last vestige of pride and selfishness will be eradicated for all eternity by an even more intimate view of Calvary when all things will be understood and known by us as we grow closer and closer to our Saviour and "follow Him wheresoever He goes".

mjrhealth · Mar 6, 2018

Triumph1300 said:
GOD IS THE BIBLE.

oh so your bible is God, thats a new one....Does he fit in your pocket.

mjrhealth · Mar 6, 2018

Triumph1300 said:
But if what He's telling you contradicts the Bible, there's a problem I think.

Be more of an issue when the bible contrdicts God, no one seems to care about that one.

face2face · Mar 6, 2018

The false teaching of supernatural devils, demons, etc logically concludes that your reward is in vain. Your probation in the flesh, temptation and sin is only heightened when you become a Spirit being with greater propensities to sin LOL - its a mockery of God and the one true faith.

Proverbs 1:22 “How long will you simpletons love naiveté? How long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge?

Wisdom addresses three types of people: simpletons (פְּתָיִם, pétayim), scoffers (לֵצִים, letsim) and fools (כְּסִילִים, késilim).

Which one are you?

Stranger · Mar 6, 2018

brakelite said:
That Lucifer rebelled whilst occupying one of the most exalted positions in heaven, right next to the throne of God, one can I suppose be forgiven for thinking that if he can, so can I. But consider this. Lucifer's rebellion was against government. His was a determined attempt at a coup. He thought that he could do better. He convinced a third of the angels that this was not just necessary, but possible. The basis for this must have been on a conclusion he and others had developed that God's way of doing things was somehow deficient and that his laws somehow too demanding and unnecessary. "After all, we are holy angels, perfect in every way, why should we be restricted by arbitrary laws and regulations? Aren't we free to do as we please? God is being tyrannical...arbitrary...selfish. He only loves so long as that love is reciprocated".
Maybe the above is difficult to imagine. But are not all coups based on those premises? Are not opposition political campaigns based on those premises? Lucifer'srebellion was also built on a lack of faith in the love of God. They did not know...no-one did, the extent of the grace and mercy of God.
The difference when we are there after the resurrection is that all those arguments were decided and settled at Calvary. Calvary removed forever all doubt as to the self-sacrifical love of God. That God gave His only begotten Son to mankind, to forever live as a human being as the second highest authority in the universe gives man utter and complete confidence that God does indeed care with true agape love for His creation and that His way of governance and rule is just, merciful, gracious, longsuffering, and completely selfless. There will never again be a hint of rebellion or selfishness. All will be peace and harmony forever. Every last vestige of pride and selfishness will be eradicated for all eternity by an even more intimate view of Calvary when all things will be understood and known by us as we grow closer and closer to our Saviour and "follow Him wheresoever He goes".

So you're saying intellectual ascent and understanding will protect us from falling in Heaven? Well, we as believers have that now. Since all arguments are decided at Calvary, then we cannot lose our salvation here either.

Stranger

buddyt · Mar 6, 2018

Stranger said:
Lucifer was created perfect and sinless. Adam and Eve were perfect and sinless. Both were in the presence God. Yet they chose against God and fell.

Once we as Christians get to Heaven, how is our state any different? Can we sin against God even after we are there?

Stranger

Great post As for myself I don't feel we will wont to sin. I base this on how I feel after asking Christ to except me and forgive me.
I want to serve Him for his gift to me. I believe Father knows the Heart of us all you can't fool him. It's a great question thanks for posting this.

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