Freewill is necessary for true love, which cannot be forced or created or it would not be true love. Each entity has control of their intellect the soul to love, hate, desire, contemplate, etc. This freedom of conscious awareness would be disastrous without consequences, hence the law and judgment. Otherwise, who knows how far wickedness develops? In like manner, wickedness and righteousness cannot be forced or created but each entity has conscious freedom, freewill to decide.For the mystery of iniquity does already work in Satan’s lies and deception. Most people do not accept the love of the truth to avoid discipline and possibly to perish. For this cause, God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. That they all might be punished who believed not the truth, yet not perish. In comes the Millennium or thousand-year reign of Christ. We no longer reside in flesh bodies and Satan is bound. It is a time of teaching and discipline for they who loved not the truth. God had sent them strong delusion so they would not perish. At the end of the Millennium is the release of Satan to deceive again. Following is judgement or great white throne. For Satan and many, there is the lake of fire, in other words, the second death or non-existence?God is long suffering, fair, righteous, and loving, desiring that none of His children perish, but come to repentance. Through stupendous methods, God has tried to save His children from the lake of fire. Yet, many will chose eternal death over eternal life.Why do many choose non-existence?
Why do many choose non-existence?
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Why do many choose non-existence?
There is no "non-existence". Everyone will spend eternity SOMEWHERE--either in heaven with the Lord, or in the Lake of Fire with the devil, false prophet, the beast, and all those whose names are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Rev. 20:10, Rev. 20:14,15.
Why do many choose non-existence?
There is no "non-existence". Everyone will spend eternity SOMEWHERE--either in heaven with the Lord, or in the Lake of Fire with the devil, false prophet, the beast, and all those whose names are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Rev. 20:10, Rev. 20:14,15.
Well, Thats a easy way of looking at it from our point of view. Once we have Christ and learn and grow in Him, we see just how real it all is. For a non-christian its not nearly this easy to see. They dont let go and they dont want to think they arent in control. This question is way to different for everyone to expect an answer. Its a personal relationship and understanding between the individual and God.
(Jon-Marc;37724)
There is no "non-existence". Everyone will spend eternity SOMEWHERE--either in heaven with the Lord, or in the Lake of Fire with the devil, false prophet, the beast, and all those whose names are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Rev. 20:10, Rev. 20:14,15.
Do you not realize second death means cease to exist? It doesn't mean souls will exist after the death, nobody will remember that soul once died.Second death means second DEATH.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
There is no "non-existence". Everyone will spend eternity SOMEWHERE--either in heaven with the Lord, or in the Lake of Fire with the devil, false prophet, the beast, and all those whose names are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Rev. 20:10, Rev. 20:14,15.
Do you not realize second death means cease to exist? It doesn't mean souls will exist after the death, nobody will remember that soul once died.Second death means second DEATH.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
(thesuperjag;37731)
Do you not realize second death means cease to exist? It doesn't mean souls will exist after the death, nobody will remember that soul once died.Second death means second DEATH.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Jag. He doesn't have to support your view. It's not essential to salvation. I personally do not believe in the destruction of one's soul.
Do you not realize second death means cease to exist? It doesn't mean souls will exist after the death, nobody will remember that soul once died.Second death means second DEATH.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Jag. He doesn't have to support your view. It's not essential to salvation. I personally do not believe in the destruction of one's soul.
(thesuperjag;37731)
Do you not realize second death means cease to exist? It doesn't mean souls will exist after the death, nobody will remember that soul once died.Second death means second DEATH.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Jag. He doesn't have to support your view. It's not essential to salvation. I personally do not believe in the destruction of one's soul.Revelation 20:10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.Shall be tormented has it's own word in Greek. It's basanizō.basanizō1) to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal2) to question by applying torture3) to torture4) to vex with grievous pains (of body or mind), to torment5) to be harassed, distresseda) of those who at sea are struggling with a head wind
Do you not realize second death means cease to exist? It doesn't mean souls will exist after the death, nobody will remember that soul once died.Second death means second DEATH.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Jag. He doesn't have to support your view. It's not essential to salvation. I personally do not believe in the destruction of one's soul.Revelation 20:10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.Shall be tormented has it's own word in Greek. It's basanizō.basanizō1) to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal2) to question by applying torture3) to torture4) to vex with grievous pains (of body or mind), to torment5) to be harassed, distresseda) of those who at sea are struggling with a head wind
(Wakka;37738)
(thesuperjag;37731)
Do you not realize second death means cease to exist? It doesn't mean souls will exist after the death, nobody will remember that soul once died.Second death means second DEATH.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Jag. He doesn't have to support your view. It's not essential to salvation. I personally do not believe in the destruction of one's soul.Revelation 20:10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.Shall be tormented has it's own word in Greek. It's basanizō.basanizō1) to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal2) to question by applying torture3) to torture4) to vex with grievous pains (of body or mind), to torment5) to be harassed, distresseda) of those who at sea are struggling with a head windMy view? Sorry, I do not have a view at all. I only go by what God says.Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.Ezekiel 28:18 - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
(thesuperjag;37731)
Do you not realize second death means cease to exist? It doesn't mean souls will exist after the death, nobody will remember that soul once died.Second death means second DEATH.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Jag. He doesn't have to support your view. It's not essential to salvation. I personally do not believe in the destruction of one's soul.Revelation 20:10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.Shall be tormented has it's own word in Greek. It's basanizō.basanizō1) to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal2) to question by applying torture3) to torture4) to vex with grievous pains (of body or mind), to torment5) to be harassed, distresseda) of those who at sea are struggling with a head windMy view? Sorry, I do not have a view at all. I only go by what God says.Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.Ezekiel 28:18 - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
(thesuperjag;37741)
My view? Sorry, I do not have a view at all. I only go by what God says.Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.Ezekiel 28:18 - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
basanizōIt applies for:Matthew 8:6And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.Matthew 8:29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?Mark 5:7And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.Revelations 9:5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment [was] as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.Revelations 12:2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.Revelations 14:10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:Revelations 20:10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[COLOR="Lime]basanizō1) to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal2) to question by applying torture3) to torture4) to vex with grievous pains (of body or mind), to torment5) to be harassed, distresseda) of those who at sea are struggling with a head wind[/COLOR]
aiōn1) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity2) the worlds, universe3) period of time, age
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon...928&Version=kjvThe Second Death is only the eternal separation from God.
My view? Sorry, I do not have a view at all. I only go by what God says.Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.Ezekiel 28:18 - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
basanizōIt applies for:Matthew 8:6And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.Matthew 8:29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?Mark 5:7And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.Revelations 9:5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment [was] as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.Revelations 12:2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.Revelations 14:10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:Revelations 20:10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[COLOR="Lime]basanizō1) to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal2) to question by applying torture3) to torture4) to vex with grievous pains (of body or mind), to torment5) to be harassed, distresseda) of those who at sea are struggling with a head wind[/COLOR]
aiōn1) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity2) the worlds, universe3) period of time, age
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon...928&Version=kjvThe Second Death is only the eternal separation from God.
(Wakka;37744)
(thesuperjag;37741)
My view? Sorry, I do not have a view at all. I only go by what God says.Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.Ezekiel 28:18 - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
basanizōIt applies for:Matthew 8:6And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.Matthew 8:29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?Mark 5:7And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.Revelations 9:5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment [was] as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.Revelations 12:2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.Revelations 14:10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:Revelations 20:10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[COLOR="Lime]basanizō1) to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal2) to question by applying torture3) to torture4) to vex with grievous pains (of body or mind), to torment5) to be harassed, distresseda) of those who at sea are struggling with a head wind[/COLOR]
aiōn1) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity2) the worlds, universe3) period of time, age
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon...928&Version=kjvThe Second Death is only the eternal separation from God.Hey, if you want to disagree with what God says in Ezekiel 18, that a soul can't die... that's why by me, because I'm not going to fall for that trap, that "for ever and ever" in Revelation 20:10 is a period of time.That "for ever and ever" does not mean eternal seperation, or burning in Hell forever doctrine otherwise how would Revelation 20:11 (which is Judgement Day) have a go at it?JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
(thesuperjag;37741)
My view? Sorry, I do not have a view at all. I only go by what God says.Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.Ezekiel 28:18 - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
basanizōIt applies for:Matthew 8:6And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.Matthew 8:29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?Mark 5:7And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.Revelations 9:5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment [was] as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.Revelations 12:2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.Revelations 14:10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:Revelations 20:10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[COLOR="Lime]basanizō1) to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal2) to question by applying torture3) to torture4) to vex with grievous pains (of body or mind), to torment5) to be harassed, distresseda) of those who at sea are struggling with a head wind[/COLOR]
aiōn1) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity2) the worlds, universe3) period of time, age
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon...928&Version=kjvThe Second Death is only the eternal separation from God.Hey, if you want to disagree with what God says in Ezekiel 18, that a soul can't die... that's why by me, because I'm not going to fall for that trap, that "for ever and ever" in Revelation 20:10 is a period of time.That "for ever and ever" does not mean eternal seperation, or burning in Hell forever doctrine otherwise how would Revelation 20:11 (which is Judgement Day) have a go at it?JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
(thesuperjag;37748)
Hey, if you want to disagree with what God says in Ezekiel 18, that a soul can't die... that's why by me, because I'm not going to fall for that trap, that "for ever and ever" in Revelation 20:10 is a period of time.That "for ever and ever" does not mean eternal seperation, or burning in Hell forever doctrine otherwise how would Revelation 20:11 (which is Judgement Day) have a go at it?JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
I'm not trying to trick you Jag. Just giving you what I understand. It's a lot more clear than the eternal destruction doctrine.From what I understand that Revelation 20:11 isAnd I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them."the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them." The people couldn't hide from God during the judgment. There was no place for them to flee.The soul in Ezekiel 18 is (or could be) flesh. It's either the soul inside of you, or your whole being, including flesh.The word for soul is nephesh.
Nephesh1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passiona) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of manb) living beingc) living being (with life in the blood)d) the man himself, self, person or individuale) seat of the appetitesf) seat of emotions and passionsg) activity of mind1) dubioush) activity of the will1) dubiousi) activity of the character1) dubious
The same word for soul is used in Genesis 2:19 for creature: And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.Genesis 12:15And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.
Hey, if you want to disagree with what God says in Ezekiel 18, that a soul can't die... that's why by me, because I'm not going to fall for that trap, that "for ever and ever" in Revelation 20:10 is a period of time.That "for ever and ever" does not mean eternal seperation, or burning in Hell forever doctrine otherwise how would Revelation 20:11 (which is Judgement Day) have a go at it?JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
I'm not trying to trick you Jag. Just giving you what I understand. It's a lot more clear than the eternal destruction doctrine.From what I understand that Revelation 20:11 isAnd I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them."the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them." The people couldn't hide from God during the judgment. There was no place for them to flee.The soul in Ezekiel 18 is (or could be) flesh. It's either the soul inside of you, or your whole being, including flesh.The word for soul is nephesh.
Nephesh1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passiona) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of manb) living beingc) living being (with life in the blood)d) the man himself, self, person or individuale) seat of the appetitesf) seat of emotions and passionsg) activity of mind1) dubioush) activity of the will1) dubiousi) activity of the character1) dubious
The same word for soul is used in Genesis 2:19 for creature: And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.Genesis 12:15And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.
Look. I'm not trying to start an argument with you. I'm just posting the possibility that there is torture, scripture even states that there is torture. You have your own words. I know that the Holy Spirit will tell me what is right, and I have to as God about this someday.
Jon-Marc
New Member
Why should damned souls not be eternal when saved ones are? Accepting Christ isn't what makes a soul eternal. God made it that way when He created it. All souls are from God (And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Gen. 2:7. The human soul is a part of God and is eternal--regardless of whether it has been cleansed of sin or not. I do agree, though, that ceasing to exist would be sufficient punishment for rejecting Christ, but then I can't speak for God and why He does what He does. He is Supreme.
(Jon-Marc;37794)
Why should damned souls not be eternal when saved ones are? Accepting Christ isn't what makes a soul eternal. God made it that way when He created it. All souls are from God (And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Gen. 2:7. The human soul is a part of God and is eternal--regardless of whether it has been cleansed of sin or not. I do agree, though, that ceasing to exist would be sufficient punishment for rejecting Christ, but then I can't speak for God and why He does what He does. He is Supreme.
Get real and please study Scripture.Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Why should damned souls not be eternal when saved ones are? Accepting Christ isn't what makes a soul eternal. God made it that way when He created it. All souls are from God (And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Gen. 2:7. The human soul is a part of God and is eternal--regardless of whether it has been cleansed of sin or not. I do agree, though, that ceasing to exist would be sufficient punishment for rejecting Christ, but then I can't speak for God and why He does what He does. He is Supreme.
Get real and please study Scripture.Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
(Jon-Marc;37724)
There is no "non-existence". Everyone will spend eternity SOMEWHERE--either in heaven with the Lord, or in the Lake of Fire with the devil, false prophet, the beast, and all those whose names are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Rev. 20:10, Rev. 20:14,15.
Get real and please study Scripture.Psa 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
There is no "non-existence". Everyone will spend eternity SOMEWHERE--either in heaven with the Lord, or in the Lake of Fire with the devil, false prophet, the beast, and all those whose names are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Rev. 20:10, Rev. 20:14,15.
Get real and please study Scripture.Psa 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
Wayne and Jag are right this idea of burning in hell forever or seperation from God is some eternal hell it is not biblical its religion mens ideas the second death is the death of your soul when your soul is dead there is nothing left to burn, nothing left to be sperated from God you are NO MORE GONE forever cease to exist. Any other belief you have is to not understand what scripture says. Its teaching of men. and religion
(kriss;37815)
Wayne and Jag are right this idea of burning in hell forever or seperation from God is some eternal hell it is not biblical its religion mens ideas the second death is the death of your soul when your soul is dead there is nothing left to burn, nothing left to be sperated from God you are NO MORE GONE forever cease to exist. Any other belief you have is to not understand what scripture says. Its teaching of men. and religion
Matthew 15:9 - But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.Mark 7:7 - Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.It reminds me of these scriptures so much.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Wayne and Jag are right this idea of burning in hell forever or seperation from God is some eternal hell it is not biblical its religion mens ideas the second death is the death of your soul when your soul is dead there is nothing left to burn, nothing left to be sperated from God you are NO MORE GONE forever cease to exist. Any other belief you have is to not understand what scripture says. Its teaching of men. and religion
Matthew 15:9 - But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.Mark 7:7 - Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.It reminds me of these scriptures so much.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Non-existence....would actually be what a lot of people want.For example, Nibbana in Buddhism is very similar concept to non-existence. Although most buddhist's would argue that 'we' don't exist now.I know people who have been through emotional, mental and physical hell that would look forward to non-existence.
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Non-existence....would actually be what a lot of people want.For example, Nibbana in Buddhism is very similar concept to non-existence. Although most buddhist's would argue that 'we' don't exist now.I know people who have been through emotional, mental and physical hell that would look forward to non-existence.
Well then they must not have God in their lives so is the threat of burning in hell forever going to change anything for them???would that make them love God ???? I dont think so.
Non-existence....would actually be what a lot of people want.For example, Nibbana in Buddhism is very similar concept to non-existence. Although most buddhist's would argue that 'we' don't exist now.I know people who have been through emotional, mental and physical hell that would look forward to non-existence.
Well then they must not have God in their lives so is the threat of burning in hell forever going to change anything for them???would that make them love God ???? I dont think so.
Why does it matter what hell is anyway? Because there are several different people who all claim to know what is the Truth using different scriptures... But why do you all keep arguing about it? I mean, the point is to not go there, whatever it turns out to be!
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