Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

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bbyrd009

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He said eat consecrated bread in remembrance of Him.
so iow you have no ears to hear? You could at least contemplate other perspectives, God won't zap you ok

Christ said that to illuminate those who will hear with one ear or two, flesh ears, and you get to pick which one
if you believe that eating a piece of bread = consuming Christ, then go with that
it's a valued institution, after all

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In Biblical terms, humanity can be divided into two groups: (1) folks who pursue truth, and (2) folks who pursue a collective identity. Most people today belong to the second group, and seek inclusion with an established collective identity much rather than the absolute brutal truth of reality. All modern temples and churches are theatres; in them professional actors act out the great human mysteries in recognizable symbols. And just like a viewing of Romeo and Juliet might bring a person to tears, whilst being very much aware that the whole thing is staged, so might a well delivered discourse on the adventures of Darth Vader arouse the hunger for empires and world domination in any most enlightened spectator.

Religions are companies like soccer clubs. Besides their books and music, their main product is inclusivity, and their marketing aims to convince followers of their club's superiority even when the numbers show that they are not. Higher up the food chain, the managers are quite aware that all clubs exist by sheer merit of the competition, and higher still the borders between clubs dissolve all together and sentiments are recognized as mere expressions of the same soul of life.

It's a slightly tricky distinction but unlike the modern sense of truth, the Biblical sense of truth has to do with convention, and the pursuit of truth has to do with finding ways to describe reality in such a way that nobody has a reasonable objection. This is called the Scientific Method and the Scientific Method is all about confirmation rather than private conviction. Before the invention of mathematical notation, truth — which is convention; those things agreed upon — was presented in highly complex and fractalic text in which an infinite narration evolved within a finite verbal circumference (because yes, the Bible is the narrative equivalent of the Koch snow flake).

Long before any religious momentum could arise from these things, Jesus of Nazareth is both the Prince of Peace and the embodiment of truth — that is everything that all people can ever agree upon — and in him are contained all the treasures of knowledge of wisdom (Isaiah 9:6, JOHN 14:6, 17:23, COLOSSIANS 2:3). Ultimately, all people will only agree on the reality they are part of and the natural laws upon which the universe was founded, and which have kept the whole thing together (COLOSSIANS 1:16-17), and which grew into maturity along with the universe (LUKE 2:52).

Folks who pursue truth pursue convention, which requires kindness toward others and an eagerness to understand even those opposed. Most of the truth-pursuers today express themselves in mathematical notations because mathematical notation is specifically designed to filter out emotion and thus culturally determined sentiments. That means that truth-pursuers who express themselves in math can converse with anyone from any culture anywhere on earth. In fact, they could freely converse with extra-terrestrials, should they ever show up.

People like to belong to tribes and clubs, and that's great. Humanity is designed to operate in large family units (Genesis 2:18, 12:2-3) and although the political landscape today is as botched as anything else, the Bible predicts that humanity's nations will be healed (REVELATION 22:2) and that the New World will consist of these healed monarchies who exist happily ever after governed by those living in the New Jerusalem (REVELATION 21:24). Until then, it's important that we allow anybody to seek shelter within whatever club they fancy. All churches are theatres in which the great human mysteries are presented by actors in costumes, and while any sensible person knows when they're in a theatre, a well performed Romeo And Juliet moves viewers non the less. And if Romeo And Juliet isn't your thing, then find your solace in some other theatre. You will encounter no animosity at your choice of pleasures when you show no animosity at our neighbor's choice of pleasures (in the words of Pericles; Thucydides Hist.2.37.2).

Peace comes when we (1) respect the Scientific Method, and (2) show no animosity at our neighbor's choice of pleasures. On these two depend the whole law and the prophets; all natural law and all inspired human expression (MATTHEW 22:40)." ειρηνη | Abarim Publications Theological Dictionary (New Testament Greek)
 
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The last day of Earth is the end of the sixth day. Sabbath is the seventh day. The earth and the heavens around it was created. You, me them that has passed were created. God rest not but will not create any more on Earth but gather His own and destroy Earth. This is what the Sabbath is about. The last day. If any dosn't understand this basic thing then they will not understand the sevens in Revelations.
 
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Are you accusing me of personal attacks?

Mary
Yes. You accused me of being dishonest. Then you accused me of doing it intentionally.

"How dishonest. You INTENTIANLLY left out the words "And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue".​
 

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The last day of Earth is the end of the sixth day. Sabbath is the seventh day. The earth and the heavens around it was created. You, me them that has passed were created. God rest not but will not create any more on Earth but gather His own and destroy Earth. This is what the Sabbath is about. The last day. If any dosn't understand this basic thing then they will not understand the sevens in Revelations.
you say "destroy Earth," i read "the world is passing away," wadr. The world is resting upon the pillars of the earth iow, and the two concepts are not the same. Kosmou and Erets are different, yes?

Earth is the believer's domain, where we are to manifest heaven, heaven comes to earth,
the earth is not destroyed after the world passes away iow
 
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we have a different definition of Church, Mary. Yours is an institution.
well that is not the Church, but yes, to strong delusion, and strange gospel, that is what institutions of men do, after all
perverts in this scenario would be the symptoms, obviously there are no perverts in the Church

i know the wolves will come in as soon as i leave, not sparing the flock
What is your definition of "The Church"?

Curious Mary
 

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Yes. You accused me of being dishonest. Then you accused me of doing it intentionally.

"How dishonest. You INTENTIANLLY left out the words "And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue".​
Sooooo pointing out THE TRUTH that you intentionally did not fully quote scripture is a personal attack? Interesting.

Dear friend, it is clear you did it INTENTIONALY since you put a ... at the beginning of the quote. That is called an "ellipsis". An ellipsis is used to indicate that something that normally should be there has been purposely left out.Therefore you did do it INTENTIONALLY.

It was dishonest because leaving it out puts the entire passage out of context. If you would have left it in it would have destroyed your theory. Ane can't have that now, can we???;)

Mary​
 

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well, that is my current best understanding anyway, ya.
I guess it could be put some other relevant ways too, Bride, etc
Fascinating.

Which church do I go to when I want to settle my difference with my brother? ref. Matthew 18:17

Curious Mary
 

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Fascinating.

Which church do I go to when I want to settle my difference with my brother? ref. Matthew 18:17

Curious Mary
i would say that any unbiased mutual peers would work fine, assuming that step one was accomplished first.
Whatever congregation you are both a part of?

but i would also suggest being more aware during the interactions, as the prescribed remedy is really a hidden lesson for the one who has the difference, in my opinion
 
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I heard his voice. He said eat consecrated bread in remembrance of Him. Do you?

Curios Mary
Your needle is still stuck there, huh? This is the wrong thread for it. Derailing a thread for a pet grievance is not a good idea.
 
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Sooooo pointing out THE TRUTH that you intentionally did not fully quote scripture is a personal attack? Interesting.

Dear friend, it is clear you did it INTENTIONALY since you put a ... at the beginning of the quote. That is called an "ellipsis". An ellipsis is used to indicate that something that normally should be there has been purposely left out.Therefore you did do it INTENTIONALLY.

It was dishonest because leaving it out puts the entire passage out of context. If you would have left it in it would have destroyed your theory. Ane can't have that now, can we???;)

Mary​
Since when can you read a persons heart and mind to know their intent? Yes, I purposely left that section out, NOT because I was being dishonest, but because it was irrelevant to my point. I was not addressing where they met, but when they met. If Sunday was the new day of rest/worship, then Paul could have preached to the Gentiles the next Sunday. Instead, Scripture tells us he preached to the Gentiles the next Sabbath. You do Satan's work by accusing the brethren falsely.
 

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i would say that any unbiased mutual peers would work fine, assuming that step one was accomplished first.
Whatever congregation you are both a part of?

but i would also suggest being more aware during the interactions, as the prescribed remedy is really a hidden lesson for the one who has the difference, in my opinion
Who decides if they are “unbiased”?

I go to the my congregation and they tell me that gay marriage is acceptable according to scripture.

You go to your congregation and they tell you that gay marriage is not acceptable according to scripture.

Which “congregation” is right?

Your theory makes every “congregation” The Church. There can only be one Church. How can your theory work?

Mary

BTW...That scenario is happening TODAY so please don’t pretend my question doesn’t have merit
 

Marymog

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Your needle is still stuck there, huh? This is the wrong thread for it. Derailing a thread for a pet grievance is not a good idea.
Dear sir,

This thread is about keeping Holy the sabbath. I have put forth evidence that Sunday is the new Christian sabbath. What are we to do on the Sunday? What Jesus told us to do in rememberence of Him.

I did digress a little bit...but not much.

BTW...It is better to have a stuck needle that repeats scripture than a broken needle that denies scripture. If you are suggesting that me repeating what Jesus said is a “pet grievance” then surely you won’t be repeating anything He says in fear of being accused of the same?

Love Mary
 

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Since when can you read a persons heart and mind to know their intent? Yes, I purposely left that section out, NOT because I was being dishonest, but because it was irrelevant to my point. I was not addressing where they met, but when they met. If Sunday was the new day of rest/worship, then Paul could have preached to the Gentiles the next Sunday. Instead, Scripture tells us he preached to the Gentiles the next Sabbath. You do Satan's work by accusing the brethren falsely.
Of course it was irrelevant to your point....because it DESTROYED your point (theory).

Satans work? Really? Now the personal attacks have begun. Congratulations!;)

BTW...Paul didn’t only preach on the sabbath.

Love Mary
 

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Of course it was irrelevant to your point....because it DESTROYED your point (theory).

Satans work? Really? Now the personal attacks have begun. Congratulations!;)

BTW...Paul didn’t only preach on the sabbath.

Love Mary
Silly me. Here I was expecting an apology.
 

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Silly me. Here I was expecting an apology.
I apologize for destroying your theory with facts and pushing you to the point that you falsely accused me of being a minion of Satan . ;)

Mary