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His By Grace

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Could someone tell me the basic differences between Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee? I have heard it to be said that more young people and college aged students like Paul. I don't know too much about him. Given the chance, I will vote for Huckabee. I hope he will hang in there and do well. If he drops out, I am at a loss. I don't see anything wrong with voting on a president based on morality because that often times reflects upon his character and integrity. If he values life and the institution of marriage, then he will likely be a good role model for our country. America needs a president we can be proud of. It takes guts to go against the majority, but to do what's right. Who couldn't respect someone who is pro-life/ pro-family? If they don't, they need to think about their own moms. What if they would have been pro-choice? Would they have wanted to grow up in a family with 2 moms or 2 dads? I am certainly proud that my family was a Christian one, even with all of its faults. I am thankful for the values that were instilled in me. Yes, the political issues are important, but if you can't trust the character of the person, then why should you trust them to lead you anywhere? God bless America, but may we repent first.
 

stlizzy

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Let's examine the logic of your argument.Claiming that all Christians should cast their vote based on making abortion illegal isn't lucid. Firstly, this attempts to establish a universal moral law (which, unless I'm mistaken, you do not have the authority to do) which states one is not a proper Christian if they cast their vote based on such issues as healthcare, foreign policy, immigration, etc... More accurately, however, voting based on a single issue is a completely irresponsible way of exercising one's democratic right to vote. One should base their decision not only on their beliefs about such issues as abortion, but also on the combination of the aforementioned issues. It will most likely turnout that while one candidate, let's say, Ron Paul or John McCain, supports your beliefs about abortion, they fail when it comes to the majority of the other issues. Specifically, Republicans tend to have horrific platforms in regards to foreign policy, healthcare, immigration, and any other issue which doesn't directly support the narrow, capitalistic view of those in power.Furthermore, to your brash statement that President Bush has secured the issue of abortion by creating a Republican Supreme Court, I would like to quote Thomas Paine, one of the most patriotic and influential Americans ever to live. In his work "Rights of Man," Paine writes "There never did, there never will, and there never can, exist a Parliament, or any description of men, or any generation of men, in any country, possessed of the right or the power of binding and controlling posterity to the "end of time," or of commanding for ever how the world shall be governed, or who shall govern it; and therefore all such clauses, acts or declarations by which the makers of them attempt to do what they have neither the right nor the power to do, nor the power to execute, are in themselves null and void. Every age and generation must be as free to act for itself in all cases as the age and generations which preceded it. The vanity and presumption of governing beyond the grave is the most ridiculous and insolent of all tyrannies."I apologize for the length of the quotation, however, it is entirely necessary to illustrate the absurdity of your confidence in the ethics of Bush's creation of a Republican Supreme Court to, essentially, rule in his stead. This is indeed the most insolent and ridiculous of all tyrannies. And though I am not naive enough to claim that the American political system doesn't invite such tyranny, I have not so ossified as to simply write injustice off as "The way things are."All I ask is that you think before you speak.
With the Paine quote: this is always the way because people are always grasping at power... when all should be handed to God. So you are right that loading the Supreme Court does nothing. What I mean by this is every generation is just like the one before it: where children grow into adults, rise up and want to find ways to grasp power- which is most often achieved through change. The nature of man is always the same: rebellious, selfish, prideful.I am for Huckabee but he's going to be gone soon. So then I will vote for whomever reflects Godliness most in their agendas and in their speeches. I don't know who this will be, but neither McCain nor Obama nor Clinton seem to show a true following of Christ. How could I say such a thing? Well, I do because our mouths reveal our hearts- and they all pander for votes and are wishy-washy on their stances!!! (Yet, only God knows our hearts, which will be revealed one day for all to see the motives of why we do things).Yet, I want to keep our country as free as possible and to stop the encroachment on our rights so that people can come to know God. It's not because I'm in love with America (though I do love my home dearly; but I'm in love with Christ, not a America)- because America is just like any other country in that it's full of a lot of people who are not following God and are used by the devil to cause real harm- whether they know it or not. But tempted as though I may be to write in a name rather than voting for an actual candidate, I will still vote for the one who is most aligned with God. But let it be known that my vote will not a default, across-the-board support for all of this person's policies- but only those that are aligned with the Will of God. But, remember that God puts every government in power and there is not a single one that isn't in power without it being the Will of God. But do you see that through a terrible government God shows us that people, who are messing everything up and being terrible, really are just people and that they cannot replace our Heavenly Father. So, I thank God that in His Wisdom sometimes He allows things to go sour so that we can see just how great is our need to turn to Him- and that no matter how many "wonderfully equal" laws we set up, that they can just be as easily torn down or changed with the stroke of a legislative pen and our democratic world can be shattered in the blink of an eye. Only God's laws don't change! God saves, not democracy, but I love the ideal of democracy because it is, in it's real sense, supposed to give people choice. And choice is what we need so that we can choose God. Yet, we see that God works no matter what system is in place- look at the burgeoning underground churches in China!Romans 13:1-2 "Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow."
 

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Could someone tell me the basic differences between Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee? I have heard it to be said that more young people and college aged students like Paul. I don't know too much about him. Given the chance, I will vote for Huckabee. I hope he will hang in there and do well. If he drops out, I am at a loss. I don't see anything wrong with voting on a president based on morality because that often times reflects upon his character and integrity. If he values life and the institution of marriage, then he will likely be a good role model for our country. America needs a president we can be proud of. It takes guts to go against the majority, but to do what's right. Who couldn't respect someone who is pro-life/ pro-family? If they don't, they need to think about their own moms. What if they would have been pro-choice? Would they have wanted to grow up in a family with 2 moms or 2 dads? I am certainly proud that my family was a Christian one, even with all of its faults. I am thankful for the values that were instilled in me. Yes, the political issues are important, but if you can't trust the character of the person, then why should you trust them to lead you anywhere? God bless America, but may we repent first.
Well, there are many fundamental differences between Paul and Huckabee. I will start with the similarities. They are both Christian, both are vehemently pro-life and both are solid supporters of our right to keep and bear arms. The differences are more profound. Unfortunately I'm pressed fro time right now and I can't articulate the differences as well as I'd like to. Instead I highly suggest visiting www.knowbeforeyouvote.com. This site compares all of the candidates, Republican and Democrat, based on their positions on major issues. It has comprehensive source data.One thing I will say is that I find it hard to trust a man who claims he is a Christian yet has placed on Judicial Watch's list of top ten most corrupt politicians of 2007. Instead I prefer a candidate who is a quieter-type of Christian who actually walks the talk.Ron Paul returns a portion of his congressional office budget to the treasury every year. He doesn't participate in the congressional pension program and he doesn't pay for his travel using taxpayer money. Lobbyists don't even visit him because they know it's a waste of time. He is a shining example of government of the people for the people. I am not aware of any other congressman (or governor) who can make these claims. I think that part of the reason why younger voters support him over Huckabee is because they know that he truly does have the citizen's best interest in mind. He truly believes that the Constitution is the law of the land. It means that the government isn't there to tell us how we should raise our kids and take care of us from the cradle to the grave. If we had more of our hard-earned money in our pockets we would not be so dependent on federal bureaucracies. The United States is supposed to be the land of the free and the home of the brave. We have become the land of debtors and the home of special interests. There's no future in that and young people want a future they can look forward to. Also, Ron Paul has shown me that even people who disagree with him on the right-to-life issue will work hard to elect him not because of his rhetoric but because of the integrity he has shown in every aspect of his legislative career. I highly doubt that there are any pro-choice voters donating money, time and energy to Mike Huckabee despite his position on the rights of the unborn. Ron Paul's support from pro-choice voters will not change his mind in the future-- they know it and they accept it.
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