The Last Supper !

Dcopymope said:

Why do you care so much about what day he rose on or what day Christians choose for church service? Yeah, scripture strongly indicates he was long gone before Sunday morning hit. But really, who cares when it comes down to it? What is important is that he died for our sins and rose again, its finished. Is this a salvation issue to you?

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I care about truth, that's why! I have been in discussion about the passion week recently because I believe my points are the truth .

So is truth not that important?

As for what days are services to be held.... Any day is fine. Even Sunday... In the Bible they had them on Sundays...

Truth,
re: "I believe it [the Lord's Supper] took place, from early afternoon until dark, starting on the 13th of Nisan..."

Mark 14:12 - "Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the Passover lamb, His disciples said to Him, "Where do You want us to go and prepare, that You may eat the Passover?" As twinc touched on, what scripture do you have that says that the 13th is the first day of Unleavened Bread?

twinc said:

so it was too early for the Passover feast - twinc

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YES, do you believe that our savior was the Passover lamb !! !

FHII said:

I care about truth, that's why! I have been in discussion about the passion week recently because I believe my points are the truth .

So is truth not that important?

As for what days are services to be held.... Any day is fine. Even Sunday... In the Bible they had them on Sundays...

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Well as far as I am concerned, the time is very Important, God said that the Sabbath was a Sign between Him and the Decedents Of Abraham which would be kept Forever, throughout your Generation's, what doe's forever mean?

rstrats said:

Truth,
re: "I believe it [the Lord's Supper] took place, from early afternoon until dark, starting on the 13th of Nisan..."

Mark 14:12 - "Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the Passover lamb, His disciples said to Him, "Where do You want us to go and prepare, that You may eat the Passover?" As twinc touched on, what scripture do you have that says that the 13th is the first day of Unleavened Bread?

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Read the Scriptures, Please, Before the Passover, and supper was ended, at the end of 13th at sundown, would be the Day of preparation, this was not a Sabbath, but the people would prepare for Passover, then at the time between the evenings they would Kill the Lamb and eat it between the even and darkness, then they would not do any work, and they would not do any buying, and they would not do any commerce, because it was a High Sabbath, read the Scriptures,the Disciples wondered if Jesus sent Judas to buy for the Passover, or to give to the poor. Then and to this day you can nether Buy or sell on Passover, and if you wanted to give to the poor, it would have had to be before the High Sabbath!

Truth said:

Nobody is lost or saved according to me, All have the right to keep whatever day they choose. How I choose to serve My Savior, is established within the Scriptures, Not according to the Traditions of man. As I stated in my previous post, maybe you could enlighten me to what the Inherited Lie's are! Some of the Traditions we Have Inherited, we had no control over, so if you come to realize that it is a lie, then we can choose to repent, and return to the Truth.

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M'kay, you do you, as long as you are staying in your lane.

FHII said:

I care about truth, that's why! I have been in discussion about the passion week recently because I believe my points are the truth .

So is truth not that important?

As for what days are services to be held.... Any day is fine. Even Sunday... In the Bible they had them on Sundays...

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Do you believe your argument is the truth or do you know its the truth?

Truth,

On what day of the month do you say the disciples asked the Messiah where He wanted them to go and prepare the Passover?

Dcopymope said:

Do you believe your argument is the truth or do you know its the truth?

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I have read the scripture, researched the subject, heard mamy sermons on it and have come to the conclusion that it is the truth.

When I say "I believe..." its a truthful statement. If there is evidence and pieces to the story I am unaware of I will have a look at them.

When someone says, "I know the truth..." it comes off as a bit bull-headed to me. As if nothing will change your your mind: even if undeniable proof came along.

rstrats said:

Truth,

On what day of the month do you say the disciples asked the Messiah where He wanted them to go and prepare the Passover?

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I will re-read the time line to be sure, But when Jesus came into the City, on the Donkey, it was the 10th day of the month. Every year from the Passover in Egypt this was the day to choose the Passover Lamb. So just to try to answer the Question it was probably before His Triumphal Entry. From the sighting of the New Moon, to establish the New Month, every Day leads up to Passover, so in all reality from the 1st to the 14th people prepare for the Passover.

Dcopymope said:

M'kay, you do you, as long as you are staying in your lane.

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M'kay- for wide is the Lane to destruction, and Narrow is the Lane that leads to everlasting Life, and there are few that will find IT!

rstrats said:

Truth,
re: "I believe it [the Lord's Supper] took place, from early afternoon until dark, starting on the 13th of Nisan..."

Mark 14:12 - "Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the Passover lamb, His disciples said to Him, "Where do You want us to go and prepare, that You may eat the Passover?" As twinc touched on, what scripture do you have that says that the 13th is the first day of Unleavened Bread?

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I did not say that the 13th was the first day of unleavened Bread. I do not believe that the Last Supper was a Passover Seder,- John-13-1-2-- Now Before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that He should depart from this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He Loved them to the end.-2- And Supper being ended, the devil having already put it into the heart of Judas to betray Him! Now Jesus washes the feet of His Disciples, which would be breaking the commandment to do no work! Verse's 27-30- 27- Now after the piece of Bread, Satan entered him. Then Jesus said to him, What you do, do Quickly. -28-But no one at the Table knew for what reason He said this to him. 29- For some thought, because Judas had the money box, that Jesus had said to him, Buy those things we need for the Feast, or that he should give something to the poor. -30- Having received the piece of Bread, he then went out Immediately, And It Was Night! The Passover is eaten between the Evenings, and after it is the First Day of unleavened Bread, So why would those with our Savior think that there was a need for something for the Feast if it was already started, and during the High Sabbath you can not buy, everyone is at the Feast within their homes, the Whole City is shut Down, and giving to the poor for their Feast, Well it would be to late. after expounding more teaching to them, chapt 13-18- then they go over to the Garden where Jesus is arrested and then all night and through the next Day He is brought before the Sanhedrin, then King Herod, and then Pilate, and if you read, you will find that the Priest's that were Accusing Him would not enter the Hall of Judgement as to not Defile themselves, so that they could Keep the Passover!!

Dcopymope said:

You don't say hey? So "doing what our savior would have us do" means "keeping the sabbath"? So are those who decide to have a gathering on Sunday not saved according to you? How about Wednesday, or Monday, any other day but Saturday?

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What about the hipsters who have church on Saturday night because they think that's a lot cooler than getting up early on Sunday morning? In their "relevant" laziness, are they accidentally getting it right, and thereby becoming redeemed?

"ByGrace" said:

These questions are always silly 'trick' questions...which, no matter what a person answers they are always told they are wrong.
Just fun and games to old twinc ....

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Read EVERY relevant Scripture in the last chapters of the four Gospels, in textual sequence put together in chronological and logical, historical order, word for word, verse by verse, context to context, using the King James Version interlinear with the Greek, and every shadow of doubt about Christ's perfect fulfilment of the Passover of Yahweh's "three days thick darkness" is dispelled sola Scriptura as per the Article of the Christian Confession of Faith, I believe in Christ, who was crucified, who died and was buried, and who “ROSE from the dead according to the Scriptures THE THIRD DAY”!

Read it HERE, http://www.biblestudents.co.za/book...aaste Lyding en Triomf van Jesus Christus.pdf

Truth said:

M'kay- for wide is the Lane to destruction, and Narrow is the Lane that leads to everlasting Life, and there are few that will find IT!

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Uh huh

forrestcupp said:

What about the hipsters who have church on Saturday night because they think that's a lot cooler than getting up early on Sunday morning? In their "relevant" laziness, are they accidentally getting it right, and thereby becoming redeemed?

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Not sure, I'd get "caught up in the spirit" so I can ask God, but I really don't care.

Truth said:

The Passover is eaten between the Evenings, and after it is the First Day of unleavened Bread, So why would those with our Savior think that there was a need for something for the Feast if it was already started, and during the High Sabbath you can not buy, everyone is at the Feast within their homes, the Whole City is shut Down, and giving to the poor for their Feast, Well it would be to late. after expounding more teaching to them, chapt 13-18- then they go over to the Garden where Jesus is arrested and then all night and through the next Day He is brought before the Sanhedrin, then King Herod, and then Pilate, and if you read, you will find that the Priest's that were Accusing Him would not enter the Hall of Judgement as to not Defile themselves, so that they could Keep the Passover!!

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The passover was "eaten", not, 'between the Evenings' [behn-ha-arba-yim], but, "late" [ereb], "in That Night solemnly to observe". The passover lamb was sacrificed, 'between the Evenings' [behn-ha-arba-yim], not "late" [ereb], "in That Night solemnly to observe".

And 'after it'-- 'it'--"the first, first day they killed the passover" = "removed leaven (life) on" (Mark 14:12 Exodus 12:15), followed the first day they "ATE unleavened bread with, the flesh" -- in Exodus, "on the fourteenth"; in subsequent Scriptures, "on the fifteenth day of the First Month". Then for six more days, they ate only ulb with no flesh.

Q~So why would those with our Savior think that there was a need for something for the Feast if it was already started~Q, ? Quite right! Non the less, 'during the High Sabbath', they did buy-- things that ought to be provided on or for 'the High Sabbath'. Yes, 'everyone is at the Feast within their homes, the Whole City is shut Down, and giving to the poor for their Feast' took place... outside their homes! And if something was needed for "that great day of sabbath of" the passover, it had to be made available, and if needed for the sacrifice to be eaten "at That First Night" John 19:39, it had to be made available even to the rich, especially if needed for the sacrifice to be "treated ... according to the ethical code of the Jews to BURY"! It would not be too late.

And if you read, you will find that the priests that morning still, would not enter the hall of judgement so as to not defile themselves, that they could EAT the passover "at The First Night" after this day of sacrifices! Hundred percent! But of course it did not work out according to their plans, but according to God's plans.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

The passover was "eaten", not, 'between the Evenings' [behn-ha-arba-yim], but, "late" [ereb], "in That Night solemnly to observe". The passover lamb was sacrificed, 'between the Evenings' [behn-ha-arba-yim], not "late" [ereb], "in That Night solemnly to observe".

And 'after it'-- 'it'--"the first, first day they killed the passover" = "removed leaven (life) on" (Mark 14:12 Exodus 12:15), followed the first day they "ATE unleavened bread with, the flesh" -- in Exodus, "on the fourteenth"; in subsequent Scriptures, "on the fifteenth day of the First Month". Then for six more days, they ate only ulb with no flesh.

Q~So why would those with our Savior think that there was a need for something for the Feast if it was already started~Q, ? Quite right! Non the less, 'during the High Sabbath', they did buy-- things that ought to be provided on or for 'the High Sabbath'. Yes, 'everyone is at the Feast within their homes, the Whole City is shut Down, and giving to the poor for their Feast' took place... outside their homes! And if something was needed for "that great day of sabbath of" the passover, it had to be made available, and if needed for the sacrifice to be eaten "at That First Night" John 19:39, it had to be made available even to the rich, especially if needed for the sacrifice to be "treated ... according to the ethical code of the Jews to BURY"! It would not be too late.

And if you read, you will find that the priests that morning still, would not enter the hall of judgement so as to not defile themselves, that they could EAT the passover "at The First Night" after this day of sacrifices! Hundred percent! But of course it did not work out according to their plans, but according to God's plans.

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You post a good response, for that I am Grateful, so if I disagree, please do not take it to Heart, we are all trying to understand things that are not reasonably specific within the Scriptures. Today I was Listening to Two Jewish Professors disusing about the Passover, and it was not until the 12th century before there was an actual Passover Seder!

rstrats said:

Mark 14:12 - "Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the Passover lamb, His disciples said to Him, "Where do You want us to go and prepare, that You may eat the Passover?" As twinc touched on, what scripture do you have that says that the 13th is the first day of Unleavened Bread?

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'first day of Unleavened Bread' [prohtehi hehmerai tohn adzumohn] correctly, is, "first day of without leaven" / "first day of leaven REMOVE" = Exodus 12:15a = verse 34! Marvelous, so LITERALLY filfilled the Christ of God his mission to redeem the People of God.