Greatest War the World has ever Seen coming very Soon!

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GISMYS_7 said:

Greatest War the World has ever Seen coming very Soon!
03-26-18, 09:44 PM
Greatest War the World has ever Seen coming very Soon! Revelation 9:13-16 Then the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

14 one saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.”

15 And the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released so that they would kill a third of mankind.

16 The number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them.

Just after the rapture Iran, Syria, Turkey backed by Russia will attack tiny Israel and God will defend Israel and defeat their enemies but 1/3 of all mankind= 2 1/2 billion will die in that war.

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Sounds like you can’t wait! All the death and torture and annihilation...whoo-hoo!

I truly don't know what's going to happen. But... it is interesting that most of Europe, the US and the UK just turfed out all the Russuan diplomats. That's not going to help tensions between those nations. Russia will probably end up strengthening her relationship with...Iran and Syria. Like I said...interesting.
And...I don't know that it's ever whoo-hoo, millions of people are going to die. But as Christians we cannot escape two truths: we are to look forward to Christs coming with joy and excitement. And that day will bring the death and spiritual destruction of millions. A tragedy...that apparently we will know to be 100% trustworthy and just. Its hard to see it and feel it now, and so we struggle with the apparent disharmony between longing for his return and knowing what it will bring. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't long for it. The bible teaches we should...confusion and all, I suspect. So no...don't be eager for the judgement of others, if you can't, yet, see the justice in it, but focus on what that trial and hardship will bring...the face of our Saviour to us.

Yes very soon in our distant future, if we have understanding, probably around 1,050 years into our future. We can look forward to it because those in Christ will be resurrected at that time to see it all unfold.

Shalom

Naomi25 said:

And...I don't know that it's ever whoo-hoo, millions of people are going to die. But as Christians we cannot escape two truths: we are to look forward to Christs coming with joy and excitement. And that day will bring the death and spiritual destruction of millions. A tragedy...that apparently we will know to be 100% trustworthy and just. Its hard to see it and feel it now, and so we struggle with the apparent disharmony between longing for his return and knowing what it will bring. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't long for it. The bible teaches we should...confusion and all, I suspect. So no...don't be eager for the judgement of others, if you can't, yet, see the justice in it, but focus on what that trial and hardship will bring...the face of our Saviour to us.

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Lot was not excited by the destruction of S&G. He even negotiated with God over the impending death of the citizens. Moses did the same when God’s wrath was promised. It seems strange to me that many Christians seem to only focus on themselves when it come the end of the world. If a flawed tribesman like Lot had enough empathy to care about the citizens of S&G, I think we are called to advocate for our neighbors and pray for God to turn away his wrath, as well. Looking forward to watching our neighbors face God’s justice is not right.

Good posts @Naomi25 and @aspen

Both good points made.

Jay Ross said:

1,050 years into our future...

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In your dreams ... I think not...things are moving faster.

aspen said:

Lot was not excited by the destruction of S&G. He even negotiated with God over the impending death of the citizens. Moses did the same when God’s wrath was promised. It seems strange to me that many Christians seem to only focus on themselves when it come the end of the world. If a flawed tribesman like Lot had enough empathy to care about the citizens of S&G, I think we are called to advocate for our neighbors and pray for God to turn away his wrath, as well. Looking forward to watching our neighbors face God’s justice is not right.

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It's strange how the two can be at the same time, but not impossible. It's like how God is both perfectly loving and perfectly just. In fact, his love is made perfect by the fact that he is just. If he didn't hold sin accountable, then he wouldn't be just and loving. If he let sin go, gave it a "pass", then he would be unjust...and that is unloving.
So...in reflection of our God, how should we view the return of Jesus? I think we must long for it. And long for the fact that sin will come to an end and that, yes, justice will come because of all the evil and sin committed. You cannot tell me you don't look at the horrors of the world and cry out for justice to be done! We thank him that in Christ is has been done for us, for our sins. But his love and mercy only covers those in Christ. For all of those who reject Christ, they are choosing God's judgement. And yes...that should grieve us. That should motivate us. That should cause us to go...go and call, plead, and cajole! But as much as we need to see that as our mission in life, we need to trust our God, who is good, loving...and just....that when the time comes, we will praise him for how he separates the goats from the sheep. And I think trusting him to hold this weight means we can, while working til his return, proceed with eagerness and watch the signs of his coming with a certain amount of joy.

This Baxter fellow is not far off.

"ByGrace" said:

In your dreams ... I think not...things are moving faster.

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Yes, I’ve noticed time is shifting into 3rd gear these days. Have you felt it? Before you know it will be Tuesday again, of for those ‘down there,’ Wednesday again. My mind is recently aware of this time shift and trying to adjust to new time acceleration norm….maybe we are getting too close the time axis asymptote when Christ shall return…is time becoming meaningless soon..

Now Helen, the question is, what I’ve just said, is it a bunch of ‘male cow’ or not?

Bless you,

APAK

Naomi25 said:

It's strange how the two can be at the same time, but not impossible. It's like how God is both perfectly loving and perfectly just. In fact, his love is made perfect by the fact that he is just. If he didn't hold sin accountable, then he wouldn't be just and loving. If he let sin go, gave it a "pass", then he would be unjust...and that is unloving.
So...in reflection of our God, how should we view the return of Jesus? I think we must long for it. And long for the fact that sin will come to an end and that, yes, justice will come because of all the evil and sin committed. You cannot tell me you don't look at the horrors of the world and cry out for justice to be done! We thank him that in Christ is has been done for us, for our sins. But his love and mercy only covers those in Christ. For all of those who reject Christ, they are choosing God's judgement. And yes...that should grieve us. That should motivate us. That should cause us to go...go and call, plead, and cajole! But as much as we need to see that as our mission in life, we need to trust our God, who is good, loving...and just....that when the time comes, we will praise him for how he separates the goats from the sheep. And I think trusting him to hold this weight means we can, while working til his return, proceed with eagerness and watch the signs of his coming with a certain amount of joy.

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I expect mercy over judgment every time. I dont think we should expect anything less based on Gods character.

"ByGrace" said:

In your dreams ... I think not...things are moving faster.

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Really Grace, Jesus's Second Advent, when He comes with all the Heavenly Hosts to judge the righteous and unrighteous, does not occur until the end of the Millennium Age.

Are there other events that are to occur in our near future? Yes there are. What are these events?

1. Satan and the other fallen wicked heavenly Hosts will be judged in heaven and thrown down to the earth to be imprisoned in a pit to await their time of punishment after many days.
2. The Kings of the Earth will be judged at Armageddon at the same time as Satan and the wicked heavenly hosts, i.e. (including) the beasts of Daniel 7:1-12, are judged in heaven, and the kings and their armies are gathered up and imprisoned in the pit at this same time to await their time of punishment after many days.
3. Christ will be seen from Jerusalem in battle/judging the kings and their armies at Armageddon, and the leaders of Israel will seek His terms of peace knowing that they too could not defeat such a powerful king with His heavenly Army and they will agree to His terms of Peace. He will come as a thief and steal back the nation of Israel from the influence of Satan and his cohorts.
4. God establishes His everlasting Kingdom at this time of the Kings of the earth being judged.
5. After Satan and the wicked heavenly hosts are judged and imprisoned in the Bottomless pit, the Son of Man is given dominion over all of the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him.
6. Christ establishes a Priesthood in Heaven who worship along side of Him in Heaven, from those souls who had lost their heads because of their faith and trust in Jesus and who had not taken the mark of Satan while they were still alive before being beheaded. These Saints that form the Heavenly Priesthood form the first resurrection.

Yes the above six events will occur in out near future, and they are now beginning to unfold quickly, but that does not mean that the Second advent of Christ as defined above will be occurring in our near future as you are expecting.

Now since an age is a little longer than a 1,000 years and as the events described above only herald the beginning of the Millennium Age and the beginning of the Millennium age will occur within the next 20-30 years, then I stand by my statement in my previous post that Christ's second advent will not occur for at least another 1,050 years, give or take a year or two.

What may be of interest to you is the fact that the seventh bowl judgement occurred around 100 years ago around the time of WW1.

That the sixth bowl judgement is presently unfolding and will come to its completion at the time of the Armageddon Judgements.

That it is my view that the rest of the five Bowl Judgements will unfold after the 1,000 years of Satan's imprisonment in the bottomless pit has run it course and the Bottomless Pit is unlocked for a little while period when Satan realises that his time is short for him to realise his dream of being worshipped as a deity by all the peoples of the earth.

So Grace, back at you with your statement of, "In your dreams."

Shalom

Maybe, maybe not...
One day we will know....I won't argue about it, it's not worth it.
It is something we can not really know, either way.

"ByGrace" said:

Maybe, maybe not...
One day we will know....I won't argue about it, it's not worth it.
It is something we can not really know, either way.

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Grace I was not trying to have an argument with you over the events in our near future. All I was stating for you, and the others who may read this thread, were the events that I am aware of that will occur in our near future. Also the Seventh Bowl Judgement ran its course during and after WWI. The Greek word translated as "earthquake" in Rev 16:17-21 is misleading for us. If the Greek root G:4578 is considered to have the meaning of turmoil, it provides a better picture of what has/will happen as the word "turmoil" is often associated with war/fighting and WW1 was called the Great War.

The world was in turmoil before, during and after WW1, the likes of which had never been seen before.

Now you made the statement in your post above, that "it is something we cannot really know, either way." and that statement is a false statement/argument against what I had posted, because what I had posted indicated that I do have an understanding of what is unfolding at the moment, whereas you were indicating that you have no understanding at all and that for you, you will not argue about it as it is not worth doing so for yourself.

If you have no idea about what is happening with respect to biblical prophecy, then how will you be able to, one day, know that it has happened if you have no understanding of when or what has to happen for the prophetical End Time Prophecies to be fulfilled.

Your response to my initial post in this thread added nothing to anyone's understanding.

Shalom

GISMYS_7 said:

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Wrong.
The greatest war the universe has ever seen has been fourght since the devil was expeled from heaven.
A temporary period of fighting is nothing compared to the horrors of the spiritual battle that is on going to determine the fate of billions of souls.

GISMYS_7 said:

Greatest War the World has ever Seen coming very Soon!
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Hello GISMYS_7

I've seen this type of predictions since I became a Christian in August 1970. I've got all kinds of books in my library regarding the end of the world predictions. All are “premillennialists” such as you. I think the “premillennalists” are the majority in quoting or trying to quote the Book of Revelation and applying it to our generation.

The Book of Revelation was written about 2100 years ago and was written to the 7 churches of Asia. Most of these churches had a lot of Jews that had been scattered from Jerusalem.

If you notice when John starts the vision, in verse 1 and also at the end of the book in chapter 22 verse 6 that he basically says the same thing again. In verse 1 John tells his audience, the 7 churches, “… THESE THINGS MUST SHORTLY TAKE PLACE.” The Koine Greek here for “shortly take place” means “at your elbow, speedly, shortly, etc.”
Then in verse 3 of the first chapter and at the end of the book, 22:10 John again repeats himself and says “FOR THE TIME IS NEAR.”

John starts the vision of Revelation, tells them this must shortly take place, gives the vision, then finishes and looks back at his audience and tells them (my words), remember, “…this must soon take place.”

Now, anyone with common sense would know John didn’t mean 2100 years later. Then the Spirit (Rev 22:10) tells John “…"Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.” John is told “do not seal the words of this book…” Now what is interesting is this, Daniel received a vision in 550 B.C. (Dan 8:1) which was fulfilled in 164/5 B.C. (Dan 8:13, 14) and, now, get this, he was told “shut up the vision, or it belongeth to many days to come” (Dan 8:26) Well?? Here is a vision fulfilled in less than 400 years after it was received and God says “seal it up for its fulfillment is a long way away.” Why was John told the very opposite of Daniel? Well, come on, say it to yourself!


Revelation 17:9-11 says, “…"Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits,
10 and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while.
11 "And the beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth, and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction…”


I think Revelation 17:9ff are some key verses that that tell you when the book was written. Notice 5 kings (emperors) have fallen (died), one is still living (one is)…

THE KINGS:

1. Julius Caesar
   
2. Augustus
   
3. Tiberius
   
4. Caligula
   
5. Claudius
   
6. NERO **
   
7. Vespasian
   
8. Titus The “one is” is Nero at the time of the writing. Nero is the one who put John on the island of Patmos. Nero was a vicious man who ended up committing suicide. He killed the apostle Paul around 67 B.C. and killed himself around 68 B.C.

There will be those who will argue that Julius Caesar was never an emperor (king), but his step-son Augustus said he was and Josephus in his writing said Tiberius was the third king. Most scholars will start with Augustus as the first king. I disagree.

For those who have questions please email me and we can discuss it. I don’t like spending too much time on the Internet. [email protected] (Charles)

charlesj said:

Hello GISMYS_7
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To all those interested in a good study of the Book of Revelation I would like to recommend two books. Both books are very good with the "history" of the book. I agree with one of them while the author of the other book is a friend and one of my ex bible professors I had in Bible College. Jim McGuiggan is my ex Bible College prof and wrote on Revelation with the same title "Revelation" by Jim McGuiggan. Jim shows that revelation is all about the destruction of Rome in the first century. He could be correct as he is 100 times smarter than I am when it comes to the bible. Jim has written many other books you can see on Amazon.com. You can see his website at www.jimmcguiggan.com. If you subscribe to his letters you will enjoy his lessons on the church and many other topics.


The other book which I lean towards as is a book titled, "The Avenging of the Apostles and Prophets" by Arthur M. Ogden. Ogden is very clear on the whole book and has a lot of good historical information. I think Ogden is correct on his commentary. You can also purchase his book on Amazon.com.


Ogden shows you in his book where this whole book is about the “destruction of Jerusalem” in 70 A.D. I firmly believe this to be true. He shows that this took place in the city “where our Lord was crucified..” Rev 11:8. The temple was still standing at this time as shown in Rev 11:1. Most believe that Revelation was written in or around 95 A.D. If so, then the temple would not be standing. How could it be “measured” if it was gone? I am 78 years old and have studied this and heard arguments for years.


The temple, Jerusalem and ALL the genealogies of the Jews were destroyed by God. God saw to it that not Jew would ever be able to identify the tribe of Aaron so to start an Aaronic Priesthood any longer. If you ask any Jew today “what tribe you are from?” They cannot tell you.


Matthew 24 is a short version of the Revelation. Jesus gave a prophecy of the destruction coming to Jerusalem (70 A.D) and told them “…this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.) Matthew 24:34 This whole chapter 24 uses “judgement language.” Example: “coming in clouds, sun, moon and stars.. are all the language of a Hebrew when he speaks of God’s judgement(s). I will paste a little study I did which I titled “some tools to dig with.”


The synoptic gospels, Matthew, Mark and Luke all have “parallel accounts of what Jesus said in Matthew 24.” John does not, for John wrote the vision of Revelation in detail of the destruction of Jerusalem. Jesus, the final prophet, priest and King, told the Jewish nation they would be destroyed. 1,100,000 were destroyed and many taken captive in 70 A.D.

I am open for discussions on the subject or any other. [email protected]
I will "paste" a short study on "Some Tools To Dig With" that I wrote some years ago in a "reply" to this reply.