Convince the Atheist Part 1: Jesus

(kentots;38526)
If you want logic, here we go. Which is better to believe, that the world just came about from nothing, or that God was and always has been here and made the world.
We know how the world was created. What we don't know is how the universe came into existence. Scientific data suggests it had a beginning. As a Christian, you've offered a scientific hypothesis called "the god hypothesis". It goes something like this: "An intelligent, all-powerful being created the universe from nothing." As hypotheses go, this one is awful one. It's terrible because A) it has no evidence to support it and it contradicts many scientific theories & laws that do have evidence. Conservation of Energy (CoE) comes to mind. Furthermore, a designer can never be a long term answer. Why? Because all the phenomenon you look at in our world that you think evidences a designer (intelligence, complexity, creativity, etc) is also present in the designer, itself... which means the designer requires a designer or a tremendous cop out (like "he always existed").
Look at what is happening around you and compare that with the scriptures of the bible, things are getting worse and is showing that the end of days is near.
People were saying that in the first and second century. You've studied scripture, but have you ever studied what was going on in Judea circa 70 ce? Also, I see nothing in the bible that isn't explainable in the context of a Jewish state being dominated by a Roman one. I don't see anything in the bible about the rising price of crude oil, terrorism, or nuclear proliferation.
Heres another logical answer to throw atheists down. If atheists are right (and to me they are not) we rot in the ground. If we are right (and i believe we are) you go to hell for not believing. In logical terms you stand a lose, lose situation, where we would stand a 50/50 chance. The logical answer would be to believe.
This is called "Pascal's Wager" (you should google it). The problem with this line of "reasoning" is that it applies to EVERY religion. Allah could exist. The hindus could be right. Do you offer prayers to the Muslim god? Do you pray to Vishnu? Then you clearly aren't practicing what you preach. It also shows that we're really not so different: I've simply rejected one more god than you have.
We know that evolution is not true because if you add or take away chromosomes, it don't cause people to turn into something else, in fact its makes life difficult for them.
Nope. You're wrong. We know that evolution is, in fact, true because we've observed it in a lab. Kindly take the time to educate yourself on evolution. The above link is an excellent resource. You wouldn't tolerate me stating something like, "Jesus wasn't real because he was a space alien and space aliens don't exist". Trust me when I tell you that your above quoted assertion is every bit as ridiculous as that.
So logically some being had to put us here, we call him God.
Horrible logic. Nor is it the sort of logic you'd use in your day to day life. Again, you and I aren't so different. If you lost your keys in the morning, would you keep looking around for them until you found them or would you conclude that "Key Gnomes" absconded with them?
With man things may be impossible, but with God things are possible.
Give us this day, our daily cop-out.
If people can't understand the logic of God and Christ then they can just go to "their father" (the father of lies) and believe in the logic of lies.
I'm amazed at how casually and frequently you and others have leveled insults at me. I have offered reasoned debates. I have never once stated anything akin to "You can't understand cuz ur brainwashed". I haven't called you deluded or spiteful or any of the usual insults that you may have come to expect from atheists. You will pay me the same courtesy or I'll take it up with the moderators. Are we clear?

(kalixx;38540)
I kind of guessed this was coming.
Really? You guessed that I wanted to talk about how the NT was meant to "re-judify" Judea in the seventh decade of the first century? Fascinating.

All of this, by the way, is terribly off-topic. You guys are supposed to be convincing me that there really was a gospel Jesus. Please focus.

(thesuperjag;38566)
Like I said...
Please read carefully. We're not debating "finding god" or anything so esoteric. Let me word this another way. Pretend that you and I have a time machine that can take us to any place at any time. We both get in the time machine and program in "the moment when General Washington became President Washington". We open the doors and see George Washington becoming president. We close the doors and program in "Christopher Columbus landing in the Americas." We open the door and see three ships anchored near a warm sandy beach with Europeans rowing ashore. We see these things because we have actual historical accounts of them happening. If we got back in the time machine and programmed, "The moment Jesus confronted Pilate" you'd expect to open the doors to see a guy with curly hair talking to a Roman. You wouldn't. Because the guy described in the bible didn't exist. Now, we can prove the existence of George Washington and Christopher Columbus. I'm asking you to do exactly the same thing with Jesus. So don't tell me there's "no convincing me". Also, don't waste my time or insult me by telling me I'm closed minded. When I was in elementary school, I was taught that Columbus was the first European to make it to the Americas. Later, I saw evidence that was incorrect... that Lief Erickson had arrived long before Columbus. So, I'm perfectly willing to re-evaluate and change my views provided there's evidence.So stop making excuses. Stop slinging fallacies. Stop attacking me and provide your evidence. Thanks.

(kalixx;38575)
Not specifically, only that you have an alternative agenda here than simply wanting to be convinced.
Woah, woah. Where did you get that from? Addressing the bible and it's claims honestly in an historical context means I have an agenda? Explain that one to me.