Reincarnation in Matthew

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David323

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Let me say right off I do not believe in reincarnation, but I have not found a good answer for the following verses. I am trying to convince someone that reincarnation is just not true but he keeps showing me these:Matthew 17:10-13:10The disciples asked him, "Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?" 11Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." 13Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.I know the arguments about this meaning John came in the spirit of Elijah but Jesus says ELIJAH has already come.ALSO:Matthew 26:52"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."The argument here for reincarnation is all that draw the sword do not die by the sword. So the death by the sword must be in another lifetime.Please someone give me a clear argument against this. I have done some studying on reincarnation and know it is impossible. The Bible does not promote it, I just can't explain the above verses.
 

Jordan

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We only have once chance in life. And reincarnation is a evil doctrine as you said you don't believe it.Hebrews 9:27 - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
 

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You just brought up another verse I'm having a problem with. It is appointed for men to die once. What about the ones that have been raised from the dead by Jesus? Did they not have to die a second time?
 

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reincarnation does not fit with this verseHbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Hbr 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Neither does the idea fit with a need for Christ to sacrifice himself for every life if not every life matters (we get do overs). The idea of reincarnation goes hand in hand with the idea of doing something until we get it right, when we get it "right" then the idea is that such a life can move on past "this" life. Christ becomes not only unnecessary but it means His death was a waste of God's only Son. So the concept makes a mockery of what He did for all of us.Living by the sword does not necessarily mean anyone who picks one up. Clearly we have OT examples of when picking up a sword is justified. In context the meaning here would include why one picks up the sword. Revenge and retribution are motives that always tend to escalate into a spiraling out of control and typically end tragically for the person who "lives by the sword".
 

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You just brought up another verse I'm having a problem with. It is appointed for men to die once. What about the ones that have been raised from the dead by Jesus? Did they not have to die a second time?
You shouldn't be confused at all David...That verse is only talking about the flesh death. It is saying is... After the flesh death, cometh judgement.As for He bringeth people back to life... Of course He did, but that still doesn't mean it's reincarnation. We can not live in this stinking corruption (flesh body) more than once at all. Period.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

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About Elijah, keep in mind that he DID NOT DIE, but was caught up into heaven, and he did return at the Transfiguration, and spoke with both Jesus and Moses.
 
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About Elijah, keep in mind that he DID NOT DIE, but was caught up into heaven, and he did return at the Transfiguration, and spoke with both Jesus and Moses.
And According to Revelation 11, Elijah is Going to die to Fulfill Death and Judgment. Moses is going to Die to, ONCE AGAIN.@The Brother who started this Thread. It's Not reincarnation, the Spirit of Elijah is a Portion of the Holy Ghost. It was Given to Elijah, Elisha, John the Baptist, William Marrion Branham, then Elijah in Revelation 11 comes back. He is not reincarnated, the Same Inspiration and Power Elijah Came with, was Passed down to those Individuals. Like the Word Christ, it means anointed one. The Prophets were anointed ones. They were Christs of their Time. Moses was a Christ, John the Baptist was a Christ, but there is only one TRUE CHRIST, Jesus. Same thing Here, John the Baptist had the Power and Spirit of Elijah. A portion of the Holy Ghost.
 

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Matthew 17:9 "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, "Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead."Peter, James and John were ready now to get down to business, and pay attention. They now knew that what Jesus was telling them was far more then idle words. Before when Peter was ready to fight to save Christ's life, he now had the insight that the others, aside from James and John, did not have. Then at the time when Thomas and the others would have there doubts, these three could safely say, Our Lord is risen. Matthew 17:10 "And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?"The words of the scribes, "that Elias must first come" was written in Malachi, as we read above. John the Baptist was dead at the time of the transfiguration, and they are talking about the Second Advent, that they just read. The day of the crucifixion was the day of passion, and not the day of the Second Advent. That is the day that Elijah comes before. So now Jesus is going to give them the reason.Matthew 17:11 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.""Elias", which is to "Elijah" will come and "restore all things"; that is to say the truth of God's Word, before Jesus Christ shall come and mark the end of this earth age. This will happen just before the great day of the Lord. Elijah will not come like these "one verse" pastors, singing their songs, and begging for money; but he will take the Word of God, and open the eyes of God's people, and there will be no doubt to what the has to say. The hearts, (which is the minds) of the people will be turned to our Heavenly Father, focused on His word, and ready for the coming of the Messiah. Turning to the Father is to "restore all things", restore the love of God's children to their Father. What throws most people is this next verse. There is a separation between the thought of verse eleven and verse twelve. Matthew 17:12 "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them."When Elias came back the first time no one know him. Remember back in Matthew 11:14-15 where Jesus said; "And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. [14] He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." [15] What Jesus is saying is that had the people received Him the first time, then John the Baptist would have been Elias, and there would be no Second Advent. However, John the Baptist was not received, and Jesus Christ was not accepted as the Messiah, in fact, even Christ's disciples did not relate the miracles as coming from the Messiah until later on in the ministry. Had they been aware, they would have known the prophecies, and known that it was the purpose for Jesus Christ coming as a baby. Therefore John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah. Luke 1:17; "And he shall go before Him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord." Matthew 26:52 "Then said Jesus unto him, "Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."We have this rag tag army, that the religious community sent out to take Christ, and Christ's own men were armed with swords that were able to sever the ear of this one servant of the high priest. These men of God were very righteous, in keeping their swords sharp. Peter was doing a good thing when he was protecting his own, yet, this was a thing that had to be done, so Jesus took the protection away from Himself, and submitted to them. A man of God will always stand up for that that is right, and when he protects his own, he is doing a righteous thing. This goes against what many are teaching, as they teach that we are to turn our cheek and allow Satan's forces to kick the Christians around. Jesus had His disciples armed with swords to protect their own. However the sword that we are to use in the end times, is the Word of God, and it is found Revelation 1:16, which will not cut an ear off, but their emotions to the point of submission to God. Gods Word is a two edged Sword it cuts both ways
 

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You just brought up another verse I'm having a problem with. It is appointed for men to die once. What about the ones that have been raised from the dead by Jesus? Did they not have to die a second time?
There is an appointed time to die, It is found is Psalm 91:16, and Genesis 6:3,After a long and satisfied life. If anyone was to die before then we can raise them up.
 

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Let me say right off I do not believe in reincarnation, but I have not found a good answer for the following verses. I am trying to convince someone that reincarnation is just not true but he keeps showing me these:Matthew 17:10-13:10The disciples asked him, "Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?" 11Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." 13Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.I know the arguments about this meaning John came in the spirit of Elijah but Jesus says ELIJAH has already come.ALSO:Matthew 26:52"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."The argument here for reincarnation is all that draw the sword do not die by the sword. So the death by the sword must be in another lifetime.Please someone give me a clear argument against this. I have done some studying on reincarnation and know it is impossible. The Bible does not promote it, I just can't explain the above verses.
John the baptist said he wasn't Elijah, John 1: 21, and he should know.An Angel said John the baptist would go in the spirit and power of Eijah.this is not Elijah being reincarnated.The point about the sword is purley speculation, Take no notice.Here a scripture about after death.Luke 16: 19--31 "Please read" Then in v26 there is no coming back after death. Paul says in 2 corinthians 5: 8, "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord".
 

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My Opinion about those verses:Lord Jesus Christ is saying that Elijah's spirit entity was in John.Lord Jesus Christ is saying that those who uses and rely on violence (sword) would eventually receive the violence back onto themselves from others.
 

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I know the arguments about this meaning John came in the spirit of Elijah but Jesus says ELIJAH has already come.
Elijah never died.II Kings 2:11
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

The argument here for reincarnation is all that draw the sword do not die by the sword. So the death by the sword must be in another lifetime.
Well, if you want to take this to a deeper level:Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
However, I don't think you have to take it that far. This is a Hebraism (here in the Greek) which also appears in Revelation amongst other locations.