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The Last Pope?? More Signs of the Last days!! Pope Francis in a recent interview with his long time atheist friend stated that hell does not exist and that souls just disappear after death.Scalfri says to the Pope, “Your Holiness, in our previous meeting you told me that our species will disappear in a certain moment and that God, still out of his creative force, will create new species. You have never spoken to me about the souls who died in sin and will go to hell to suffer it for eternity. You have however spoken to me of good souls, admitted to the contemplation of God. But what about bad souls? Where are they punished?”

Pope Francis says, “They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls.”
But Jesus says eternal hell is very real===== choose who you will believe!!!

https://christianjournal.net/inciden...ell-not-exist/
 

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The Last Pope?? More Signs of the Last days!! Pope Francis in a recent interview with his long time atheist friend stated that hell does not exist and that souls just disappear after death.Scalfri says to the Pope, “Your Holiness, in our previous meeting you told me that our species will disappear in a certain moment and that God, still out of his creative force, will create new species. You have never spoken to me about the souls who died in sin and will go to hell to suffer it for eternity. You have however spoken to me of good souls, admitted to the contemplation of God. But what about bad souls? Where are they punished?”

Pope Francis says, “They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls.”
But Jesus says eternal hell is very real===== choose who you will believe!!!

https://christianjournal.net/inciden...ell-not-exist/

Well, there has been a long period where many have been deceived, people will follow what they want to follow, for many year's I have witnessed one compromise after compromise inter the Assemblies no matter what denomination they are of. When people believe that a man or any man has the power to control what others think, and are willing to except what they express, then the Scripture's in Thessalonians have already come to flourish-ion. If people want to believe a lie, then God will send them Strong Delusion so that they do believe the Lie. there are to many places in Scripture that express a place called Hell, Hades, Sheol, Gehenna, and that at this time there is a Rift between there and where God resides, as in the story about Lazarus and the rich man, so as you said why would the Scripture's record this info, if it is not a Reality.
 
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The Last Pope?? More Signs of the Last days!! Pope Francis in a recent interview with his long time atheist friend stated that hell does not exist and that souls just disappear after death.Scalfri says to the Pope, “Your Holiness, in our previous meeting you told me that our species will disappear in a certain moment and that God, still out of his creative force, will create new species. You have never spoken to me about the souls who died in sin and will go to hell to suffer it for eternity. You have however spoken to me of good souls, admitted to the contemplation of God. But what about bad souls? Where are they punished?”

Pope Francis says, “They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls.”
But Jesus says eternal hell is very real===== choose who you will believe!!!

https://christianjournal.net/inciden...ell-not-exist/

CS Lewis believed a similar idea
 

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Vatican: Don’t trust report that Pope Francis denied reality of hell

“I try to understand the person I am interviewing, and after that I write his answers with my own words,” Scalfari explained. He conceded that it is therefore possible that “some of the Pope’s words I reported, were not shared by Pope Francis.”
We have a priest here that apologized , at a mass, for the church saying that it has taught hell incorrectly all these years and that it doesn't exist. Needless to say, many were relieved and happy. It was all the talk for some time.
 
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We have a priest here that apologized , at a mass, for the church saying that it has taught hell incorrectly all these years and that it doesn't exist. Needless to say, many were relieved and happy. It was all the talk for some time.

Well, many priests have taught a distortion of Hell - Dante’s version has been imprinted into the minds of many people
 
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Well, many priests have taught a distortion of Hell - Dante’s version has been imprinted into the minds of many people
No distortion Aspen.
He said it doesn't exist.
And now I hear about what the Pope said?!
One more time his words need fixing.
 

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No distortion Aspen.
He said it doesn't exist.
And now I hear about what the Pope said?!
One more time his words need fixing.

Priests can be wrong. He is preaching his opinion, not the teachings of the church he claims to be representing. As far as the Pope is concerned, aparrently you are not interested in reading the article I posted - you are comfortable believing the OP written by a person who regularly posts critical ideas about Catholicism. You have a right to your opinion
 
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Priests can be wrong. He is preaching his opinion, not the teachings of the church he claims to be representing. As far as the Pope is concerned, aparrently you are not interested in reading the article I posted - you are comfortable believing the OP written by a person who regularly posts critical ideas about Catholicism. You have a right to your opinion
The pope "seems" to be saying what the priest said.
I skimmed through the article. It's the same old stuff. This isn't the first time the popes words need explaining.

I know who Scalfaro is. He's a liberal leftist ,, .I don't know why the pope even speaks to him.
He owns a liberal newspaper, my son in laws favorite. Maybe he should send a young reporter instead?
Scalfaro does this .
 

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The pope "seems" to be saying what the priest said.
I skimmed through the article. It's the same old stuff. This isn't the first time the popes words need explaining.

I know who Scalfaro is. He's a liberal leftist ,, .I don't know why the pope even speaks to him.
He owns a liberal newspaper, my son in laws favorite. Maybe he should send a young reporter instead?
Scalfaro does this .

This whole board is ‘explaining words’ found in the Bible and in doctrine.
Personally, I like when the Pope makes statements that generate conversation - I think he does it on purpose - discussing theological ideas is a good thing.
 
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This whole board is ‘explaining words’ found in the Bible and in doctrine.
Personally, I like when the Pope makes statements that generate conversation - I think he does it on purpose - discussing theological ideas is a good thing.
Interesting idea.
I think he should speak the truth, and carefully.
 

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We have a priest here that apologized , at a mass, for the church saying that it has taught hell incorrectly all these years and that it doesn't exist. Needless to say, many were relieved and happy. It was all the talk for some time.

And, guess what I think of that. :D
 
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And, guess what I think of that. :D

According to Scripture Hell is everlasting, Suffering Persecution as the early believer's did was temporal, remember one thing, that we all will suffer! in this world, some even to being Marter's, But the Second death, according to Scripture is something We do not want to experience, Fear not what Man can do to you, But what God can do, even if Hell is a lack of existence with out God, what a shame not to be with God in Existence!
Praise Yahovah, and Yashua for the Hope!
 
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I hate to agree with the Pope but he is spot on. There is no Hell at this time. At least as man knows hell to be. The hell that man is expecting doesn't come until judgement. Everyone who leaves this flesh life returns to the Father. There they await there faith on one side of the Gulf or the other. For those who don't know of this you can read about it in the book of Luke I believe it's chapter 16 along about verse 26.
 

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I hate to agree with the Pope but he is spot on. There is no Hell at this time. At least as man knows hell to be. The hell that man is expecting doesn't come until judgement. Everyone who leaves this flesh life returns to the Father. There they await there faith on one side of the Gulf or the other. For those who don't know of this you can read about it in the book of Luke I believe it's chapter 16 along about verse 26.
It's Luke 16:19-31

This is true BEFORE Jesus was resurrected.
It was a holding place, awaiting the resurrection of Christ.
Before that even those that were saved were awaiting Jesus' sacrifice in Abrahams Bossom.
Luke 16:22

After Jesus' resurrection we go where we're supposed to be immediately after death.
Jesus tore the curtain in two and we are now allowed to enter into heaven.
Luke 24:45 The holy of holies was now open to all.
 
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If I may, I would like to chime in here to help correct mistaken beliefs, (1) that there is a supposed place called "hell" that the churches teach is a place of fiery torment, and (2) that the soul is immortal. I would like to first provide Scriptural evidence that the soul is not immortal.

To assist a person in grasping the meaning of the "soul", it is important to examine the Hebrew word from is rendered "soul". This word is nephesh, that literally means "breather". Hence, all that breathes are souls, such as humans, animals, fish, insects, arachnids, bacteria, etc.

At Numbers 31, it says that a "levy" (or tax) should be placed on "one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves (beasts), and of the asses (donkeys), and of the sheep".(Num 31:28, King James Bible) And to show that the soul is a person, not something imaginary within him, at Deuteronomy 12, it says: "When the Lord thy God shall enlarge thy border.....and thou shall say, I will eat flesh (meat), because thy soul longeth to eat flesh; thou mayest eat flesh, whatsoever they soul lusteth after."(Deut 12:20, King James Bible)

And at Jeremiah 2, in condemning the wicked women of nation of Israel, God tells them: "Also in thy skirts is found the blood of the souls of the poor innocents".(Jer 2:34) Hence, the soul, breathes, eats and has blood, and what would that be ? Us as a person, for at Genesis 2, when God created the first man Adam, the account says that "the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul".(Gen 2:7, King James Bible)

Until God ' breathed the breath of life ' into Adam, Adam was a dead soul. So, again to reinforce the correct understanding, we can see that the soul is us as person, that breathes, eats, and has blood, so that we as a soul can also die, and thus not immortal.

And the belief in a "hellfire" is dependent on the false belief of the immortality of the soul, so that since there is no immortal soul, neither is there a place of fiery torment that "souls go to". How can we further grasp this ? By looking in the Bible book of Jeremiah.

At Jeremiah 7, God scathingly condemns the apostate nation of Israel for their false religious practices that included burning their own children in a fire to the false god Molech, saying: "They built the high place of Tophet (a place just outside the walls of Jerusalem on the south-eastern side), which is in the Valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I commanded then not, neither came in into my heart".(Jer 7:31, King James Bible)

How could God condemn the Israelites for burning their children in a fire if he was also doing the same thing ? How could he burn people in a"hellfire" if such a thing had not even come into his heart ? How could he burn people in a "hellfire" that goes diametrically against his quality of love ?(1 John 4:8)

And how could the Devil be the one whom the churches of Christendom says is the ruler of "hellfire", since if God created "hellfire" as the churches teach, then that would mean that God handed the "keys" of "hellfire" to Satan, though they are archenemies ? Is this Scriptural or even logical ? Would you give something you created, that you supposedly treasure to your enemy ? So, the whole concept of a "hellfire" is a myth and further Scriptures proves this out.

At Jeremiah 32, God adds this to his hatred for what the apostate Israelites are doing: "And they built the high places of Baal (a false god of agriculture), which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin".(Jer 32:35, King James Bible)

How could God call to account the Israelites for burning their children in a fire to Molech, calling it an "abomination' and a "sin", if he is doing the same thing ? And at Ecclesiastes 9, it says that "the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not anything......for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest".(Ecc 9:5, 10, King James Bible)

Thus, those who die "know not anything", but are non-existent, with many awaiting to be resurrected from the grave, for Revelation 20 says: "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell (Greek Hades) delivered up the dead which were in them, and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast in to the lake of fire ("lake of fire" means everlasting destruction, not torment)".(Rev 20:13, 14, King James Bible) So, what is the proper conclusion to draw ? That there is that there is no "hellfire" that torments "souls" because there is no immortality of the soul.

And to add one final touch, of Jesus, after his death, according to the King James Bible, Peter told the Jews concerning Jesus death and resurrection and quoting from Psalms 16:10, that "God hath raised up, having loosed the pain of death; because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. For David speaketh concerning him.......because thou (God) will not leave my soul in hell".(Acts 2:24, 25, 27, King James Bible)

If "hell" is a place of torment for "sinners", then why did Jesus go there, since he was perfect, sinless ? So what is the Bible "hell" and not Christendom's "hell" ? Mankind's common grave, from which a person can be released, just as Jesus was.

And some will try to use the King James Bible to prove their case that there is a "hellfire", perhaps quoting Jesus words at Matthew 5:22, 29, 30. But these ones have not done their "homework" regarding the two Greek words that Jesus used, Hades and Gehenna.

Hades is the same as the Hebrew word Sheol, and which is not a place of torment. For example, the King James Bible renders Sheol 31 times as "hell" and 31 times as the "grave" and 3 times as "pit", showing inconsistency and causing confusion.

And Gehenna (Greek geenna) is a derivative or drawn from the valley of Hinnom, where Jerusalem's trash was thrown outside the south wall, whereby sulfur was constantly added to burn all the refuse. Hence, Gehenna means everlasting destruction, not torment, for no live person was put there, only dead bodies were thrown there that could not tormented but rather were destroyed by fire, that was never "put out" or "quenched".(Mark 9:43)

And Gehenna is the same as the "lake of fire" at Revelation 20 14, 15. And one final question: How could "hell" be a place of fiery torment, fire and brimstone, and yet it be thrown into "the lake of fire" ? As with the mystic number of 666, the Bible states: "This is where it calls for wisdom" in order to understand what "hell" really is.(Rev 13:18)
 

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The Last Pope?? More Signs of the Last days!! Pope Francis in a recent interview with his long time atheist friend stated that hell does not exist and that souls just disappear after death.Scalfri says to the Pope, “Your Holiness, in our previous meeting you told me that our species will disappear in a certain moment and that God, still out of his creative force, will create new species. You have never spoken to me about the souls who died in sin and will go to hell to suffer it for eternity. You have however spoken to me of good souls, admitted to the contemplation of God. But what about bad souls? Where are they punished?”

Pope Francis says, “They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls.”
But Jesus says eternal hell is very real===== choose who you will believe!!!

https://christianjournal.net/inciden...ell-not-exist/

The English word "hell" like the English word "church" was placed in the KJV 1610 bible when king James wanted an English translation. The word "hell" (I think the English spelled it helios) is where the English kept their potatoes (in a dark place, like a cellar, helios). The KJV translators translated the garbage dump in Jerusalem as "hell."
The garbage dump is where the "worm never dies and the fires never go out."
The bible teaches that the wicked will suffer "punishment" not "punishing." Whatever it will be IT WILL BE A HORRIBLE PLACE. When I see the word hell in the bible I always look at the context to make sure it is not the grave (some times grave is translated hell).
The main thing is that a person has "obeyed the gospel" and have "put on Christ." (Some translations like the NAS translate it "...clothed with Christ.") Galatians 3:27
 
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The English word "hell" like the English word "church" was placed in the KJV 1610 bible when king James wanted an English translation. The word "hell" (I think the English spelled it helios) is where the English kept their potatoes (in a dark place, like a cellar, helios). The KJV translators translated the garbage dump in Jerusalem as "hell."
The garbage dump is where the "worm never dies and the fires never go out."
The bible teaches that the wicked will suffer "punishment" not "punishing." Whatever it will be IT WILL BE A HORRIBLE PLACE. When I see the word hell in the bible I always look at the context to make sure it is not the grave (some times grave is translated hell).
The main thing is that a person has "obeyed the gospel" and have "put on Christ." (Some translations like the NAS translate it "...clothed with Christ.") Galatians 3:27
Although I don't understand the difference between punishment and punishing, I do agree with all you've said.

If a child is under punishment, is he not being punished??
 

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According to Scripture Hell is everlasting, Suffering Persecution as the early believer's did was temporal, remember one thing, that we all will suffer! in this world, some even to being Marter's, But the Second death, according to Scripture is something We do not want to experience, Fear not what Man can do to you, But what God can do, even if Hell is a lack of existence with out God, what a shame not to be with God in Existence!
Praise Yahovah, and Yashua for the Hope!

Hi there.
Have you ever checked out the word " everlasting" or "ever and ever" "ages,"...I mean really checked it all out and spent time doing so.?



Hell is ordained for the Devil and his angels...
It is the FIRE which is everlasting , it is not the punishment which is.

Matt 25:41 " Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"

But, I won't argue the point, each can interpret how seems fit to them, everyone does. But not many do their own study before believing what they say they believe.