Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

BreadOfLife · Apr 3, 2018

Taken said:
Never pray for me, ever.
EWEE!!!
I have ZERO desire that a foot-soldier for Satan, admittedly "unsaved", engrossed in negativity, to speak on my behalf.

And I will also pray that you stop judging people's souls.
Only GOD knows thew heart (1 Kings 8:39).

BreadOfLife · Apr 3, 2018

Taken said:
Eph 5:30
We are MEMBERS of his body.
Who said such a Stupid thing....oh right you are saying that, and disagreeing with your self.
THAT church? THAT Church IS Christ's Church, He is building every time a soul is saved and spirit is born again.
No kidding! Lol

Uh huh - and YOU wrongly stated that a single person was the Church.
YOUR words: "A BORN AGAIN MAN, IS Jesus' Church."

I corrected you with Scripture. Christ's Church is ALL of its members - not just one.
Oh, and by the way - His Body IS His Church, sparky . . .

Taken said:
Okay, so you are a Jew....taught by a Jew...
With the understanding according to Jewish laws, men forgave men of sins. Whoop, whoop.
I'm not!
No. Jesus SENT them to preach the Gospel, and Testify...HOW AND WHO forgives Sins.

No - He gave them the power to FORGIVE sins:
John 20:23
Whose sins YOU forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU retain are retained."

Nothing here about "preaching the Gospel" . . .
Only an illiterate person would read something else into John 20:21-23 . . .

Taken said:
Act 10:43
To him give all the prophets WITNESS, that THROUGH HIS NAME WHOSOEVER believeth in him SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS.
Actually there is a long list of things He came to do.
You are without understanding,
And duped.
You go to A Priest, address HIM as Father, and ASK HIM for forgiveness. You think HE IS FORGIVING YOU.
So, Does your Priest ever say "I FORGIVE YOU YOUR SINS" lol, I doubt it. He has not the POWER to FORGIVE YOUR SINS. He can only tell you your sins ARE FORGIVEN.
But I bet you walk away BELIEVING YOUR PRIEST "FORGAVE YOUR SINS".... just as you are desperately trying to TEACH NOW. Lol

He says that my sins are absolved in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy spirit - JUST as Jesus prescribed in John 20:21-23.

Taken said:

Shut your yap with your False accusations.
Go vomit your endless negativity and ignorance out of your corrupt heart and mind on someone else.

Click to expand...

You vomit out this angry nonsense and you have the nerve to accuse ME of being negative.
Your hypocrisy knows NO bounds . . . . . .

Taken · Apr 3, 2018

APAK said:
Of course..decades ago bro...

Ditto

God Bless,
Taken

Taken · Apr 3, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
And I will also pray that you stop judging people's souls.
Only GOD knows thew heart (1 Kings 8:39).

LOL...judge peoples' souls?... No, all I have to do is listen to their own words to know what THEY have applied to themselves!

BreadOfLife · Apr 3, 2018

Taken said:
LOL...judge peoples' souls?... No, all I have to do is listen to their own words to know what THEY have applied to themselves!

We can judge a person's words and actions - but NOT their souls.

For YOU to refer to a person as "foot soldier for Satan" or "unsaved" puts you in a very dangerous position with the Lord because you're just a wretched sinner in desperate need for God's grace like everybody else . . .

Taken · Apr 3, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
Uh huh - and YOU wrongly stated that a single person was the Church.
YOUR words: "A BORN AGAIN MAN, IS Jesus' Church."

Uh huh, Every single man, born of God, is Jesus' Church....HE IS BUILDING!!
(Not some man named Peter, or Pope whatever, or brick layers, or masons...)

They EACH have the Kingdom of God within Them, and EACH are brothers IN Christ.

I corrected you with Scripture.

You spoke AS IF I had LIMITED Christ's Church to ONLY JUST ONE MAN, which I didn't.

Christ's Church is ALL of its members - not just one.
Oh, and by the way - His Body IS His Church, sparky . . .

The ONLY ONE, SAYING "JUST ONE"...is you!
So go to your blue ribbon stash and give yourself another blue ribbon for attemting to SPEAK FOR MEN, and then correcting yourself! LOL

No - He gave them the power to FORGIVE sins:
John 20:23
Whose sins YOU forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU retain are retained."

So SIN away sinner, and go ask some man to forgive you and feel all better about yourself.

I have a Lord who has forgiven my sins and KILLED my body of Sin....I am freed from Sin! Now there are others things I do.....

While you keep on sinning and asking men to forgive you...and bore me silly with your endless nonsense.

Nothing here about "preaching the Gospel" . . .
Only an illiterate person would read something else into John 20:21-23 . . .

He says that my sins are absolved in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy spirit - JUST as Jesus prescribed in John 20:21-23.

Funny. A man who never claims to have called on the Lord, to receive Salvation or a born again spirit; is now claiming his sins are absolved, but awe, he keeps on sinning.

Thanks for sharing your Catholic teaching....
However My Lord has done MORE than absolve my sins....He has made it so I sin NO MORE....unlike you!

You vomit out this angry nonsense and you have the nerve to accuse ME of being negative.
Your hypocrisy knows NO bounds . . . . . .

LOL...Yep, I accuse you of being negative.
Do you require a list of your negative words?
Or you could just read them yourself in pretty much every post you make.
Boring!

BreadOfLife · Apr 3, 2018

Taken said:
Uh huh, Every single man, born of God, is Jesus' Church....HE IS BUILDING!!
(Not some man named Peter, or Pope whatever, or brick layers, or masons...)
They EACH have the Kingdom of God within Them, and EACH are brothers IN Christ.
You spoke AS IF I had LIMITED Christ's Church to ONLY JUST ONE MAN, which I didn't.
The ONLY ONE, SAYING "JUST ONE"...is you!
So go to your blue ribbon stash and give yourself another blue ribbon for attemting to SPEAK FOR MEN, and then correcting yourself! LOL

WRONG,

The Church is comprised of ALL of its members - not just ONE person.
No ONE person is the Church.

You REALLY need to read 1 Cor. 12.
Read it slowly and give me a report when you're done . . .

Taken said:
So SIN away sinner, and go ask some man to forgive you and feel all better about yourself.
I have a Lord who has forgiven my sins and KILLED my body of Sin....I am freed from Sin! Now there are others things I do.....
While you keep on sinning and asking men to forgive you...and bore me silly with your endless nonsense.
Funny. A man who never claims to have called on the Lord, to receive Salvation or a born again spirit; is now claiming his sins are absolved, but awe, he keeps on sinning.

Thanks for sharing your Catholic teaching....
However My Lord has done MORE than absolve my sins....He has made it so I sin NO MORE....unlike you!

And, by 1 John 1:8, we can see that the truth is NOT in you. Thanks for admitting that.
You're a wretched sinner in DIRE need of God's grace - just like everybody else . . .

Taken · Apr 3, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
We can judge a person's words and actions - but NOT their souls.

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I didn't JUDGE your soul. You speak for your own soul. I agree, as you have said your soul is saved, is not saved, is trying to work and endure it's way to the end, to become saved, isn't saved only once....

So ya, as you speak opposites concerning your own soul...that is exactly what I think about your own soul....total confusion!

For YOU to refer to a person as "foot soldier for Satan" or "unsaved" puts you in a very dangerous position

Knowing the truth, speaking the truth, NEVER puts me in a dangerous position.

And knowing WHO rejects the truth, and makes false claims FOR others, never puts me in danger.

you're just a wretched sinner

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Really? Well that is big of you to make that claim for me. Of course like all the claims you make FOR ME, are but your false accusations.

My Lord has forgiven and forgotten all of my sins. And SANCTIFIED me. So your claims are again just your lips flapping in the breeze making false claims and have zero affect on me.

BreadOfLife · Apr 3, 2018

Taken said:
I didn't JUDGE your soul. You speak for your own soul. I agree, as you have said your soul is saved, is not saved, is trying to work and endure it's way to the end, to become saved, isn't saved only once....

And that's because the Bible tells us that salvation is a process, sparky (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8, 1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14, Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).

Taken said:
So ya, as you speak opposites concerning your own soul...that is exactly what I think about your own soul....total confusion!
Knowing the truth, speaking the truth, NEVER puts me in a dangerous position.
And knowing WHO rejects the truth, and makes false claims FOR others, never puts me in danger.
Really? Well that is big of you to make that claim for me. Of course like all the claims you make FOR ME, are but your false accusations.
My Lord has forgiven and forgotten all of my sins. And SANCTIFIED me. So your claims are again just your lips flapping in the breeze making false claims and have zero affect on me.

The Lord MAY have forgiven your past sins - if you were truly penitent.

Your future sins and another kettle of fish, my Scripturally-bankrupt friend . . .

Heb 13:8 · Apr 3, 2018

GodsGrace said:
It doesn't matter why you follow the moral law...But it must be followed.

I would say it does matter why. Some follow it because they think they can save themsleves. Others follow it because of thankfulness to the Lord that it is finished at the crosse. God bless.

GodsGrace said:
And you didn't explain sanctification.
Sanctification is an on-going process which lasts all life-long.
It's a work between us and God and requires our obeying Him.
We are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, but to say that Jesus does it all through us is removing our responsibility toward sin. If we say that Jesus does it all, then He fails when we sin.

Jesus works through us through the Holy Spirit which He said He would send as a helper to us. But He does NOT do it ALL for us...we have the responsibility to do the obeying. Jesus cannot judge Himself...He judges US.
John 5:28-29

I agree, but obeying or not obeying has no affect on your initial salvation or the seal that's been placed on you, Eph 1:13-14. Not obeying affects your way of life on this earth and your rewards and crowns at the Bema Seat. You can't undo grace or undo what Jesus already did at the cross.

Heb 13:8 · Apr 3, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
And circumcision is NOT part of the Moral Law. It is part of the Ceremonial Law which we are not bound by.

BOL, salvation doesn't come through any law or religious ceremony. It comes through a person.

BreadOfLife said:
We absolutely have something to do with keeping our salvation. THAT is part of the process of enduring to the end.

No we don't. Jesus died for it all. It is finished. The sanctification process is not you trying to keep your salvation, it's you walking away from sin because of thankfulness to what Jesus Christ already did for you. We respond not to keep our salvation, but rather to His love by loving Him back. That's the relationship. When we error we're not kicked out of the family, rather we are disciplined Heb 12.

John 8:35/1 John 5:12 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.

Gal 6:10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

1 John 5:12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life

BreadOfLife said:
Some people lose that "passion" to walk away from sin.

And that's why there's sanctification and discipline. Exod 34:14, John 6:39.

BreadOfLife said:
Scripture is blindingly clear that NOT all born again believers will endure to the end (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Tim. 4:1, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet.r 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

Well that's the thing. You're looking at the Gospel through teh wrong lense, works and not grace.

Matt. 7:19-23 - A reference to sheep (believers) and wolves (nonbelievers).
Matt. 10:22 - A reference to the 12 disciples and before the seal of God and Pentecost.
Matt. 24:13 - A reference to the 70th week and martyrdom.
Matt. 25:31–46 - A reference to the second coming of Christ, the end of the 70th week.
John 15:1-6 - Figurative/metaphorical/parable language.
Rom. 11:22 - Figurative/metaphorical/parable language (Rom 11:18).
1 Cor. 9:27 - A reference to crowns and rewards at Bema Seat.
1 Cor. 4:4 - A reference to judgment, thus the Bema Seat.
1 Tim. 4:1 - See below for study.
Heb. 3:6 - Read 2 Cor 5:1, 1 John 5:9-14 (1 John 5:14). Contradiction?
Heb. 3:12-14 - Read Eph 1:13-14, Heb 1:14, 1 Pet 1:4 (Inheritance) Contradiction?
Heb 6:4-6 - Figurative/metaphorical/parable language, and a reference to maturity, start at Heb 5:11.
Heb. 10:26-27 - Figurative/metaphorical/parable language, read Heb 10:14.
2 Pet 3:17 - A reference to being deceived by false doctrine, like non-osas. (2 Pet 3:18 grow in grace, not works)
1 John 2:24 - Figurative/metaphorical/parable language, thus John 15:1-6.
1 John 5:13 - There's that word believe again, also read 1 John 5:9-14. Is God a liar?
Rev. 3:5 - KJV has "he that overcometh", and how do you overcome? 1 John 5:4-5
Rev. 22:19 - Read Gen 3:22, Rev 2:7. Contradiction?

1 Tim 4:1 study, let me know if you see the contradiction (of non-osas). God bless.

Matt 13:21 (does not use the word believe) (it uses trouble/persecution)
Mark 4:17 (does not use the word believe) (it uses trouble/persecution)
Luke 8:13 (uses the word believe) (aphistémi/depart)
Rom 8:35, 38-39 (nothing can separate us, even trouble/persecution)
1 Tim 4:1 ( aphistémi/depart)

Matt 13:21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.

Mark 4:17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.

Luke 8:13 Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.

Rom 8:35, 38-39 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 Tim 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

Luke 8:13 / Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible - which for a while believe: their faith is a temporary one, like that of Simon Magus; which shows it is not true faith; for that is an abiding grace, Christ, who is the author, is the finisher of it, and prays for it, that it fail not. The Persic version renders it, "in the time of hearing they have faith"; and such sort of hearers there are, who, whilst they are hearing, assent to what they hear, but when they are gone, either forget it, or, falling into bad company, are prevailed upon to doubt of it, and disbelieve it. The Arabic version renders it, "they believe for a small time"; their faith do not continue long, nor their profession of it, both are soon dropped:

mjrhealth · Apr 4, 2018

GodsGrace said:
But one must stay saved. Sorry, I don't believe in OSAS because I don't see it in the N.T. Jesus certainly didn't speak of this. Jesus spoke of good deeds and evil deeds, of sheep who knew His voice, those to His left and those to His right.

Well if you believe that than,

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

According to that, you are saved , once no second options, but it says

Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Se Jesus paid the price before the world was even created, so God already knows the end, so Ill trust in Him, that He paid the price, and wont change his mind, He is not like us.

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

God is not underhanded in that He will take away His free gift, because you made a mistake, Thats religion preaching.

mjrhealth · Apr 4, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
That's because you're a stranger to the Truth.

You mean your truth, no we are not longer strangers to"your truth", you have being promoting it for 13 years know or is it more. and still you havnt found the truth, but seems you stopped looking.

God bless

Grams · Apr 4, 2018

Eph. 2

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For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

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Not of works, lest any man should boast

Taken · Apr 4, 2018

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BreadOfLife said:
And that's because the Bible tells us that salvation is a process, sparky (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8, 1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14, Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).

The SALVATION "process"...

Considerating .... Jesus, the Jew, sent Jewish men to teach the Jewish Lost, what WAS and what IS now.

Gee - should we hear of the Jewish men (teaching) of what WAS for the Hebrew, the Jew,? duh...

what "WAS"~
Believing in God, Believing in His Messiah "shall come"
Obedience "TO" the Law, Consequences of disobedience "TO" the Law....
Enduring "TO" their end, "BECOMING" saved in their "END" "BY" their belief "AND GOOD WORKS"!!

Gee...WHY recap ? Oh ya, they were LOST!

What "IS"
DING, DING, DING, Listen up Jews...
YOUR awaited for MESSIAH HAS ARRIVED!
WE (your teachers) have seen Him, testify OF HIM; Listen, Hear, Trust, Believe...

Listen & Hear...WHAT "WAS" is PAST!

TRUST & Believe...
TEMPORARY animal BLOOD...........IS PAST.
Repeated SIN offering of animals...IS PAST.
Repeated FORGIVENESS...............IS PAST.
Waiting for SALVATION.................IS PAST.
Enduring to YOUR END.................IS PAST.
Being SUBJECT TO the LAW...........IS PAST.
The OLD WAY..................IS PASSED AWAY.

A NEW WAY ARRIVED...!!!!

TRUST & BELIEVE...

A PERMANENT BLOOD..................IS NOW.
A PERMANENT FORGIVENESS........IS NOW.
A PERMANENT CLEANSING............IS NOW.
A PERMANENT SANCTIFICATION....IS NOW.
A PERMANENT JUSTIFICATION.......IS NOW.
A PERMANENT SALVATION.............IS NOW.
A PERMANENT QUICKENING......,...IS NOW.
A PERMANENT SUBJECTION TO "CHRIST"
..................................................IS NOW.

TRUST & BELIEVE & "ACCEPT" and the NOW is YOURS to HAVE and KEEP .......FOREVER!

Don't TRUST & BELIEVE "OR" ACCEPT........
And.....
DUH..
YOU WON'T "RECEIVE" the GIFTS of THE NEW

BOL....you stand at a crossroads...
Giving lip service of Belief...but fail to Trust or Accept the NOW.

The comical thing is; you attempt to LIVE according to the "PAST", that was NEVER given to YOU. It was Given to the Hebrews and Jews.

The sad part is: you are so steeped in having been a student of corrupt teaching, and spent years DEFENDING your corrupt understanding; you have not the wisdom to
Walk away from "your" holy father, (your Pope and your daddy, as you have said) and seek the wisdom of the TRUE HOLY FATHER.

The Lord MAY have forgiven your past sins - if you were truly penitent.

May have?

LOL - The Lord does not Lie!
I know what He required of me, and I fulfilled.
Doesn't matter what you think. My subject "TO" Christ, didn't include you!

Past sins?

LOL - Seriously? What a newsflash!!
Apparently NEWS to you, since you keep ignorantly repeating 1 John 1:8....and too ignorant to know that ... 1 John 1:9 makes
1 John 1:8 ... not applicable!!

Your future sins and another kettle of fish, my Scripturally-bankrupt friend . . .

Future sins?

LOL - the spiritually bankrupt once again pretending he is the teacher! LOL

Dunce!!

THERE ARE NO FUTURE SINS for a man BORN OF GODS SEED!

Mankind before Hebrews and Gentiles was established were NEVER under the Law.

Hebrews willingly subjected themselves to BEING UNDER the LAW.

Gentiles were NOT subjected to being UNDER the LAW.

Hebrews were to be "OBEDIENT TO the LAW".
Hebrews found "NOT OBEDIENT TO the LAW',
Were chastised, punished, scorned.

Gentiles "subjected THEMSELVES" to whatever "they themselves" elected to subject themselves "TO"...idols, moon gods, nature, mythical creatures, themselves, kings, statues, blah, blah.

JESUS arrived on EARTH, with HIS WAY, of something NEW....different from the PAST.
It was a TEACHING HE CAME TO DELIVER "TO" the Jews.

Surprise, surprise....MANY Jews scoffed at Jesus' teaching....and MANY Gentiles and a FEW Jews, hung on His every word!

A FEW Jews, ACCEPTED what Jesus OFFERED, and became "MADE WHOLE".

MANY Gentiles, then and now, ACCEPTED and ACCEPT Jesus' OFFERING, and have become "MADE WHOLE".

A Hebrews/Jews SIN, "WAS" "IS" disobedience "TO" the LAW.

A Gentiles SIN, "WAS" "IS" "DISBELIEF" IN thee Lord God Almighty!

You are a paradox of inconsistency claiming one thing, while teaching against what you claim.

Your teaching has a VERY deceitful twist to it.
You claim one thing FOR YOURSELF.
Then expose your true thoughts, BY stating your thoughts, and PRETENDING "your thoughts" are an others.
Then you "BASH" the 'YOUR own thoughts"
You have conventionally "pretended" is an others.

It a psychotic invention to pretend you are having a disagreement with another;
When the "disagreement" is within yourself.

You are so steeped in mindful teaching of "your" earthly "fathers"....you can not allow your heart to rule your own mind.

You can not DECIDE....
Be SUBJECT "TO" the LAW
Or
Be SUBJECT "TO" Christ the Lord.

Sorry pal, but it "IS" one or the other, "NOT BOTH."

If you ARE under the LAW...it's all the way.
If you ARE under CHRIST....it's all the way.

IF you are NOT WITH HIM, You ARE AGAINST Him. Period!

bbyrd009 · Apr 4, 2018

APAK said:
The heart under the will of the spirit of Christ knows the truth and is never deceitful.

i'm sure many wish this was true, but one's free will is not abrogated by professing a desire to follow Christ; the yoke is voluntary, and one might remove it any time they like. If what you suggest were true, then new believers would immediately become oracles, etc--which many are, right, in their own minds, that i would grant, but they hardly become truthful in the process.

so while i agree strictly speaking, the statement ignores that there is no leash, or that ppls egos are not removed the day they profess.

All that a heart under the "will" of Christ needs do to no longer be under Christ's will is act or decide from their ego/female, but you (and many others here) seem to have ruled this out as even being possible?

bbyrd009 · Apr 4, 2018

APAK said:
The heart under the will of the spirit of Christ knows the truth and is never deceitful. Yes, to the regenerated heart, the carnal mind still influences the heart and produces deceitfulness although it is not dominant anymore as faith in Christ grows.

"Seven worse spirits" and "twice the son of hell" are now functionally impossible, are they?

i don't think so APAK wadr

bbyrd009 · Apr 4, 2018

mjrhealth said:
God is not underhanded in that He will take away His free gift, because you made a mistake, Thats religion preaching.

"twice the son of hell that you are"
"seven worse spirits"

guess you tore those out tho huh

Taken · Apr 4, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
I would say it does matter why. Some follow it because they think they can save themsleves. Others follow it because of thankfulness to the Lord that it is finished at the crosse. God bless.

I agree, but obeying or not obeying has no affect on your initial salvation or the seal that's been placed on you, Eph 1:13-14. Not obeying affects your way of life on this earth and your rewards and crowns at the Bema Seat. You can't undo grace or undo what Jesus already did at the cross.

Agree!

The LACK of understanding is revealed...every time "THE LAW" is the highlighted requirement.

THE LAW...THE LAW...THE LAW...
NEVER given the Gentiles.

WHY is a Gentile concerned WITH THE LAW?

WHY does a Gentile FEEL the NEED to talk about, to claim OBEDIENCE to "the LAW" ?

Ill teaching, Ill understanding!

A man IS either;
SUBJECT TO....the LAW.
Or
SUBJECT TO .... Christ the Lord Jesus.

PICK ONE....and THAT BE "BE YOUR MASTER"
Period.

A Jews, SIN, is Disobedience "TO THE LAW".

A Gentiles, SIN, is Disbelief, "IN GOD".

A Jew, can EARN his salvation "THROUGH" Obedience TO the LAW, and "GOOD WORKS".
And He must adhere TO ALL OF THE LAW.

A Gentile, can BE BLESSED with Salvation "THROUGH" Faith "IN CHRIST".

A Gentile can THEREAFTER....FURTHER be Blessed WITH REWARDS, "FOR" doing Works "THAT" glorify Gods Name ON EARTH.

Well....HOW does a GENTILE learn, know, discover, WHAT WORKS actually GLORIFY Gods Name on Earth, so they may exalt the Lords Name On Earth...and become "further" Blessed By God?

Oh hey....PRETEND they "ARE" subject to the Law...oh ya...and don't forget the CURSE LAWS....the pronouncement OF SIN, for violating the Law....yeah, oooh rah,
After all, SILLY God, FORGOT to INCLUDE a Gentile to be UNDER the LAW....

But don't we KNOW, Gentiles BEFORE CHRIST, have for centuries "subjected themselves" to whatever tripped their trigger! Idols, other men, themselves, hey why not the Jewish Messiah!! And hey, why not Jewish Laws!!

PROBLEM...PROBLEM...PROBLEM....

PICK ONE MASTER to subject yourself "TO".
"TO" the Law. Or "TO" Christ.

Subject yourself "TO" the LAW....and it is ALL of the LAW you are "SUBJECT TO".

Subject yourself "TO" Christ...and it is the WHOLE of Christ you are "SUBJECT TO".

Serve the LAW or Serve Christ.
Serve the LAW...According TO the Law.
Serve Christ....According TO Gods "PRECEPTS"

A LAW....is a REQUIREMENT!

A PRECEPT...is a general rule to regulate BEHAVIOR and THOUGHT.

A GENTILE who has "ACCEPTED" Christ; has elected to make HIMSELF "SUBJECT" "TO" Christ....not the Law!

A Gentile who has "ACCEPTED" Christ; CAN absolutely glorify Gods name ON EARTH; BY AND THROUGH Gods PRECEPTS...not the Law!

Christians....LEARN the DIFFERENCE.

God Bless,
Taken

Taken · Apr 4, 2018

GodsGrace said:
Hi Do you mean that YOU never sin?

Correct.

[/QUOTE]This would go against what the N.T. teaches, as in 1 John 1.[/QUOTE]

No. 1 John 1:8 is specifically speaking of a man who claims He has no sin.

How then does a man to CLAIM to have NO SIN, confess his sin? 1 John 1:9

See, you simply jerk out a scripture that does not apply, and PRETEND it does apply!...and NOT to yourself....but others!

Why are YOU determining what APPLIES to others?

We all sin or we make God to be a liar.

1 John 1:10

Who has said "NO ONE has SINNED"

I didn't. Are you attempting to make that claim for me?

I have made my own claim with my own words, all men are born in sin.
How do you translate that to be claiming men have no sin?

I have made my own claim with my own words, I sinned.
How do you translate that to be claiming I have no sin?

I have further made my own claim with my own words, I was forgiven my sins.
How do you translate that to be claiming I have not sin?

I have further made my own claims with my own words, and Scripture, I sin NO MORE.

Do YOU comprehend "NO MORE" ?
It means I SINNED, but do so "NO MORE".
How do you translate that to be claiming I have no sin?

I have further made my own claims with my own words and Scripture. I CAN NOT SIN...
Do you comprehend...? CAN NOT SIN.....
ANY MORE.

I have further made my own claims with my own words and Scripture....I am born Again.
A Born Again man, is born of Gods incorruptable Seed, and CAN NOT SIN.

Do you comprehend Gods Seed IS "INCORRUPTASBLE"? He SEED does NOT birth that which IS CORRUPT.

Do you comprehend the NATURAL MANS SEED IS CORRUPT, and GODS SEED IS NOT CORRUPT.

THE OLD man FROM A Natural mans SEED...
IS DEAD!!! DEAD! DEAD!
Dead, gone, passed away.
His SINS are FORGIVEN, covered, forgotten, DEAD!

THE NEW man FROM Gods SEED....IS "WHOLE" body, soul, & spirit and ALIVE FOREVER MORE. THE NEW MAN IS BORN without SIN, NOT subject TO SIN and CAN NOT SIN. He IS SUBJECT TO the POWER of Christ. Chirst KEEPS the NEW MAN, freed FROM SIN!!

Now if you do not comprehend the difference between WHAT "WAS" and WHAT "IS"...

Then reserve your determinations to YOURSELF, on what Scripture you have determined APPLY TO YOU.

I am not a man who has claimed to have no sin.....thus that Scripture has ZERO application to me....and I'll thank you to not pretend you have determined, it does.

I am not ashamed of having confessed MY SINS, to the Lord, or accepting HIS Grace of FORGIVNESS, or accepting HIS great gifts of
Salvation, of Quickening, of Him Freeing me FROM sin, of Him given me His Spirit, His Truth, His Seed, within me Forever.

Surely if you don't Understand it, and speak against it, I doubt you have it.

1 John 3:9

WHOSOEVER is born of God, cannot commit sin, can not sin...

That does NOT apply to EVERYONE.
IT specifically APPLIES TO;
He who IS BORN OF GOD.

And BTW, while specifically ADDRESSED TO your name....it is not to you only.

Many are without understanding, and make false claims and innuendos.....conveniently "for" others.

God Bless,
Taken

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