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Correct.

This would go against what the N.T. teaches, as in 1 John 1.

No. 1 John 1:8 is specifically speaking of a man who claims He has no sin.

How then does a man to CLAIM to have NO SIN, confess his sin? 1 John 1:9

See, you simply jerk out a scripture that does not apply, and PRETEND it does apply!...and NOT to yourself....but others!

Why are YOU determining what APPLIES to others?


1 John 1:10



I didn't. Are you attempting to make that claim for me?

I have made my own claim with my own words, all men are born in sin.
How do you translate that to be claiming men have no sin?

I have made my own claim with my own words, I sinned.
How do you translate that to be claiming I have no sin?

I have further made my own claim with my own words, I was forgiven my sins.
How do you translate that to be claiming I have not sin?

I have further made my own claims with my own words, and Scripture, I sin NO MORE.

Do YOU comprehend "NO MORE" ?
It means I SINNED, but do so "NO MORE".
How do you translate that to be claiming I have no sin?

I have further made my own claims with my own words and Scripture. I CAN NOT SIN...
Do you comprehend...? CAN NOT SIN.....
ANY MORE.

I have further made my own claims with my own words and Scripture....I am born Again.
A Born Again man, is born of Gods incorruptable Seed, and CAN NOT SIN.

Do you comprehend Gods Seed IS "INCORRUPTASBLE"? He SEED does NOT birth that which IS CORRUPT.

Do you comprehend the NATURAL MANS SEED IS CORRUPT, and GODS SEED IS NOT CORRUPT.

THE OLD man FROM A Natural mans SEED...
IS DEAD!!! DEAD! DEAD!
Dead, gone, passed away.
His SINS are FORGIVEN, covered, forgotten, DEAD!

THE NEW man FROM Gods SEED....IS "WHOLE" body, soul, & spirit and ALIVE FOREVER MORE. THE NEW MAN IS BORN without SIN, NOT subject TO SIN and CAN NOT SIN. He IS SUBJECT TO the POWER of Christ. Chirst KEEPS the NEW MAN, freed FROM SIN!!

Now if you do not comprehend the difference between WHAT "WAS" and WHAT "IS"...

Then reserve your determinations to YOURSELF, on what Scripture you have determined APPLY TO YOU.

I am not a man who has claimed to have no sin.....thus that Scripture has ZERO application to me....and I'll thank you to not pretend you have determined, it does.

I am not ashamed of having confessed MY SINS, to the Lord, or accepting HIS Grace of FORGIVNESS, or accepting HIS great gifts of
Salvation, of Quickening, of Him Freeing me FROM sin, of Him given me His Spirit, His Truth, His Seed, within me Forever.

Surely if you don't Understand it, and speak against it, I doubt you have it.

1 John 3:9

WHOSOEVER is born of God, cannot commit sin, can not sin...

That does NOT apply to EVERYONE.
IT specifically APPLIES TO;
He who IS BORN OF GOD.

And BTW, while specifically ADDRESSED TO your name....it is not to you only.

Many are without understanding, and make false claims and innuendos.....conveniently "for" others.

God Bless,
Taken
How about narrwing that down to two sentences.
Thats all you need.
Of course, you don't have to.
But I, for one, understand nothing of what you've said.
My loss I guess.
 
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How about narrwing that down to two sentences.
Thats all you need.
Of course, you don't have to.
But I, for one, understand nothing of what you've said.
My loss I guess.

Yipes, expressly precise.

I will post your original post to me.
Then reply very briefly.

God Bless,
Taken
 
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Hi Taken,

It seems kind of the same as what you say, except you say it makes one free from sin. Do you mean during our lifetime? Do you mean that YOU never sin?

"During our lifetime"...your question.

"YES, during our lifetime..."IF" one becomes born again....YES, that one becomes FREE from Sin.

"Do you mean that YOU never sin"..your questions.

"YES" that is correct.
I was born IN sin.
I committed sins.
During my life time...
I confessed my sins...
My sins were forgiven.
I became born again.
I am freed FROM sin.
I can sin NO MORE.
I can not SIN.
1 John 3:9

This would go against what the N.T. teaches, as in 1 John 1.

"NO", that is not correct.
That applies to a man WHO, claims to have NO SIN...not born in sin, not commited sin, not confessed he sinned, not forgiven his sins..zip..he doesn't believe sin exists, thus he says he has no sin.

You again mention hat we are thus without sin.
We all sin or we make God to be a liar.
1 John 1:10

No, I do not make God a liar.
Nor, does God make Himself a liar.

Read 1 John 3:9. Read for yourself, WHO can not sin "AND WHY".

"IF" 1 John 3:9 applies to you; It applies to you. "IF" it doesn't; it doesn't.

I am born again. It applies to me. I can not SIN, and I KNOW WHY.

God Bless,
Taken
 

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i'm sure many wish this was true, but one's free will is not abrogated by professing a desire to follow Christ; the yoke is voluntary, and one might remove it any time they like. If what you suggest were true, then new believers would immediately become oracles, etc--which many are, right, in their own minds, that i would grant, but they hardly become truthful in the process.

so while i agree strictly speaking, the statement ignores that there is no leash, or that ppls egos are not removed the day they profess.

All that a heart under the "will" of Christ needs do to no longer be under Christ's will is act or decide from their ego/female, but you (and many others here) seem to have ruled this out as even being possible?

I basically agree with you..I think so based on your written response only.

You need to read the words you quoted of me OUT ALOUD this time....I never spoke of the reality and influence of the carnal will/mind. It does become an obstacle at times as you stated in your own words...
..although as spirit-led believer, the free will you espouse to is ALWAYS limited...it seem I've already spoken on this already...like a broken record....that the carnal mind will only have a upper hand infrequently....spiritual believers do not make a lifestyle of listening to their carnal side....it just is not happening..carnal believers do...

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"Seven worse spirits" and "twice the son of hell" are now functionally impossible, are they?

i don't think so APAK wadr
if you are a believer, are you spirit-led or a carnal believer? it might clear things up for me
 
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The SALVATION "process"...
Considerating .... Jesus, the Jew, sent Jewish men to teach the Jewish Lost, what WAS and what IS now.
Gee - should we hear of the Jewish men (teaching) of what WAS for the Hebrew, the Jew,? duh...
what "WAS"~
Believing in God, Believing in His Messiah "shall come"
Obedience "TO" the Law, Consequences of disobedience "TO" the Law....
Enduring "TO" their end, "BECOMING" saved in their "END" "BY" their belief "AND GOOD WORKS"!!
Gee...WHY recap ? Oh ya, they were LOST!
What "IS"
DING, DING, DING, Listen up Jews...
YOUR awaited for MESSIAH HAS ARRIVED!
WE (your teachers) have seen Him, testify OF HIM; Listen, Hear, Trust, Believe...
Listen & Hear...WHAT "WAS" is PAST!
TRUST & Believe...
TEMPORARY animal BLOOD...........IS PAST.
Repeated SIN offering of animals...IS PAST.
Repeated FORGIVENESS...............IS PAST.
Waiting for SALVATION.................IS PAST.
Enduring to YOUR END.................IS PAST.
Being SUBJECT TO the LAW...........IS PAST.
The OLD WAY..................IS PASSED AWAY.
A NEW WAY ARRIVED...!!!!
TRUST & BELIEVE...
A PERMANENT BLOOD..................IS NOW.
A PERMANENT FORGIVENESS........IS NOW.
A PERMANENT CLEANSING............IS NOW.
A PERMANENT SANCTIFICATION....IS NOW.
A PERMANENT JUSTIFICATION.......IS NOW.
A PERMANENT SALVATION.............IS NOW.
A PERMANENT QUICKENING......,...IS NOW.
A PERMANENT SUBJECTION TO "CHRIST"
..................................................IS NOW.
TRUST & BELIEVE & "ACCEPT" and the NOW is YOURS to HAVE and KEEP .......FOREVER!
Don't TRUST & BELIEVE "OR" ACCEPT........
And.....
DUH..
YOU WON'T "RECEIVE" the GIFTS of THE NEW
BOL....you stand at a crossroads...
Giving lip service of Belief...but fail to Trust or Accept the NOW.
The comical thing is; you attempt to LIVE according to the "PAST", that was NEVER given to YOU. It was Given to the Hebrews and Jews.
The sad part is: you are so steeped in having been a student of corrupt teaching, and spent years DEFENDING your corrupt understanding; you have not the wisdom to
Walk away from "your" holy father, (your Pope and your daddy, as you have said) and seek the wisdom of the TRUE HOLY FATHER.
May have?
LOL - The Lord does not Lie!
I know what He required of me, and I fulfilled.
Doesn't matter what you think. My subject "TO" Christ, didn't include you!
Past sins?
LOL - Seriously? What a newsflash!!
Apparently NEWS to you, since you keep ignorantly repeating 1 John 1:8....and too ignorant to know that ... 1 John 1:9 makes
1 John 1:8 ... not applicable!!
Future sins?
LOL - the spiritually bankrupt once again pretending he is the teacher! LOL
Dunce!!
THERE ARE NO FUTURE SINS for a man BORN OF GODS SEED!
Mankind before Hebrews and Gentiles was established were NEVER under the Law.
Hebrews willingly subjected themselves to BEING UNDER the LAW.
Gentiles were NOT subjected to being UNDER the LAW.
Hebrews were to be "OBEDIENT TO the LAW".
Hebrews found "NOT OBEDIENT TO the LAW',
Were chastised, punished, scorned.
Gentiles "subjected THEMSELVES" to whatever "they themselves" elected to subject themselves "TO"...idols, moon gods, nature, mythical creatures, themselves, kings, statues, blah, blah.
JESUS arrived on EARTH, with HIS WAY, of something NEW....different from the PAST.
It was a TEACHING HE CAME TO DELIVER "TO" the Jews.
Surprise, surprise....MANY Jews scoffed at Jesus' teaching....and MANY Gentiles and a FEW Jews, hung on His every word!
A FEW Jews, ACCEPTED what Jesus OFFERED, and became "MADE WHOLE".
MANY Gentiles, then and now, ACCEPTED and ACCEPT Jesus' OFFERING, and have become "MADE WHOLE".
A Hebrews/Jews SIN, "WAS" "IS" disobedience "TO" the LAW.
A Gentiles SIN, "WAS" "IS" "DISBELIEF" IN thee Lord God Almighty!
You are a paradox of inconsistency claiming one thing, while teaching against what you claim.
You teaching has a VERY deceitful twist to it.
You claim one thing FOR YOURSELF.
Then expose your true thoughts, BY stating your thoughts, and PRETENDING "your thoughts" are an others.
Then you "BASH" the 'YOUR own thoughts"
You have conventionally "pretended" is an others.
It a psychotic invention to pretend you are having a disagreement with another;
When the "disagreement" is within yourself.
You are so steeped in mindful teaching of "your" earthly "fathers"....you can not allow your heart to rule your own mind.
You can not DECIDE....
Be SUBJECT "TO" the LAW
Or
Be SUBJECT "TO" Christ the Lord.
Sorry pal, but it "IS" one or the other, "NOT BOTH."
If you ARE under the LAW...it's all the way.
If you ARE under CHRIST....it's all the way.
IF you are NOT WITH HIM, You ARE AGAINST Him. Period!
Your insane rants get longer and longer - yet they say less and less . . .
You have YET to show me a single verse - in CONTEXT - that supports your arrogant man- made fantasy of OSAS.

You also keep arrogantly claiming that you don't sin - yet you refer to me as a "dunce" in the same breath.
You might want to "considerate" what the Scriptures say about your hypocrisy . . .

1 John 1:8

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is NOT in us.

Matt. 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
 

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Eph. 2
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast
I know you like to repeatedly post this passage - so how about posting the ones that say you cannot lose your secure position??
That might be a little more difficult . . .
 

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You mean your truth, no we are not longer strangers to"your truth", you have being promoting it for 13 years know or is it more. and still you havnt found the truth, but seems you stopped looking.
There is no such thing as "my truth" vs. "your truth."
Truth is TRUTH - no matter WHO believes it.

Thanks for admitting your moral relativism . . .
 

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i'm sure many wish this was true, but one's free will is not abrogated by professing a desire to follow Christ; the yoke is voluntary, and one might remove it any time they like.

Agree.
"FOLLOWING" is absolutely a freewill choice.
There is NO YOKE.
To YOKE is to be tied to.
Absolutely, one "FOLLOWING" can walk away at anything.

Much in Scripture IS SAID about one who begins "FOLLOWING", and "WALKING AWAY".

Any man who IS "FOLLOWING", is by default, hearing the WORD of God.

Any man hearing the WORD of God, is being enLIGHTened, by the Spirit of God...
Who IS His own WORD, Who is Light.

Just by Hearing, a man IS being given FAITH, from God.

When such a man WALKS away...what happens is...
He stops being enLIGHTened, given faith.
He is called...fallen from faith.
He is called...Lost his Salvation.

A man WITHOUT faith can not Receive Salvation. Walk away, ones faith falls away.
Walk away, his opportunity to receive salvation is Lost.

(Yes, he can again, follow, walk away, run thru the same scenario, over and over...and IF he physically dies in the interim of not following or trying to decide, He is doomed, and dies without having faith or having received salvation).

THE WHOLE SCENARIO CHANGES....
At the point in time IF and WHEN a man ...
Confesses belief in his heart TO the Lord.

Now there IS NO, yo, yo, wavering back and forth. THAT confession IS a one time COMMITTMENT.

Scripture instructs a man TO BE SURE, before you commit...It's permanent and forever.

If a man wants to take his time, risk he has a long life ahead of him to yo yo back and forth...that is his freewill to choose to do so.

Just as it is a mans freewill to choose a forever committment TO CHRIST and be yoked WITH Him forever.

If what you suggest were true, then new believers would immediately become oracles,

Why? Why does it have to be according to HOW you determine?

Scripture already informs us the Holy Spirit WILL teach us all things.

And we already KNOW "WHEN" the Lord teaches individuals.
From the beginning the Lord has taught mankind bit by bit........AND.......to the man that swiftly steps along, in reading, studying, so too the Lord is quick to give to that man more and more......to the sluggard, who doesn't bother reading, studying, listens eh maybe occasionally....God responds to him in the same manner.

So, no, simply becoming saved and born again...doesn't guarantee you God will blow all his knowledge and wisdom into the man.

There is endless knowledge in Scripture.
For me, I read and read and study and study and ask, ask, ask. I want as much of Gods knowledge and wisdom and understanding He is willing to give me.

Bottom line;
Following does not mean committed.
Following, yes, one can walk away.
Committed, no, one can not walk away.
Gods knowledge, wisdom, and understanding is freely given to the born of God that seeks..
He shall find.

God Bless,
Taken
 
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BOL, salvation doesn't come through any law or religious ceremony. It comes through a person.
Right - and Jesus gave us the formula (John 3:5).
You're not "baptized" simply because YOU declare it. Baptism is a public act of an inward reality.

NOWHERE in ALL of Scripture do we see an example of a person who simply "claims" the gifts received at Baptism without being Baptized with water.
No we don't. Jesus died for it all. It is finished. The sanctification process is not you trying to keep your salvation, it's you walking away from sin because of thankfulness to what Jesus Christ already did for you. We respond not to keep our salvation, but rather to His love by loving Him back. That's the relationship. When we error we're not kicked out of the family, rather we are disciplined Heb 12.
John 8:35/1 John 5:12 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
Gal 6:10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
1 John 5:12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life
And that's why there's sanctification and discipline. Exod 34:14, John 6:39.
This is the problem with most Protestants.
You simply don't understand what Jesus meant by "It is finished."

He WASN'T speaking of our salvation because it ain't finished until we die. He was talking about having finished the work of REDEMPTION. EVERY single person who ever lived or ever WILL live was redeemed (paid for) by what Jesus did.
NOT every person, however, will be saved because of their refusal to cooperate with God's grace.
Well that's the thing. You're looking at the Gospel through teh wrong lense, works and not grace.
Matt. 7:19-23 - A reference to sheep (believers) and wolves (nonbelievers).
Matt. 10:22 - A reference to the 12 disciples and before the seal of God and Pentecost.
Matt. 24:13 - A reference to the 70th week and martyrdom.
Matt. 25:31–46 - A reference to the second coming of Christ, the end of the 70th week.
John 15:1-6 - Figurative/metaphorical/parable language.
Rom. 11:22 - Figurative/metaphorical/parable language (Rom 11:18).
1 Cor. 9:27 - A reference to crowns and rewards at Bema Seat.
1 Cor. 4:4 - A reference to judgment, thus the Bema Seat.
1 Tim. 4:1 - See below for study.
Heb. 3:6 - Read 2 Cor 5:1, 1 John 5:9-14 (1 John 5:14). Contradiction?
Heb. 3:12-14 - Read Eph 1:13-14, Heb 1:14, 1 Pet 1:4 (Inheritance) Contradiction?
Heb 6:4-6 - Figurative/metaphorical/parable language, and a reference to maturity, start at Heb 5:11.
Heb. 10:26-27 - Figurative/metaphorical/parable language, read Heb 10:14.
2 Pet 3:17 - A reference to being deceived by false doctrine, like non-osas. (2 Pet 3:18 grow in grace, not works)
1 John 2:24 - Figurative/metaphorical/parable language, thus John 15:1-6.
1 John 5:13 - There's that word believe again, also read 1 John 5:9-14. Is God a liar?
Rev. 3:5 - KJV has "he that overcometh", and how do you overcome? 1 John 5:4-5
Rev. 22:19 - Read Gen 3:22, Rev 2:7. Contradiction?
1 Tim 4:1 study, let me know if you see the contradiction (of non-osas). God bless.
Matt 13:21 (does not use the word believe) (it uses trouble/persecution)
Mark 4:17 (does not use the word believe) (it uses trouble/persecution)
Luke 8:13 (uses the word believe) (aphistémi/depart)
Rom 8:35, 38-39 (nothing can separate us, even trouble/persecution)
1 Tim 4:1 ( aphistémi/depart)
Matt 13:21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.
Mark 4:17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.
Luke 8:13 Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.
Rom 8:35, 38-39 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1 Tim 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
Luke 8:13 / Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible - which for a while believe: their faith is a temporary one, like that of Simon Magus; which shows it is not true faith; for that is an abiding grace, Christ, who is the author, is the finisher of it, and prays for it, that it fail not. The Persic version renders it, "in the time of hearing they have faith"; and such sort of hearers there are, who, whilst they are hearing, assent to what they hear, but when they are gone, either forget it, or, falling into bad company, are prevailed upon to doubt of it, and disbelieve it. The Arabic version renders it, "they believe for a small time"; their faith do not continue long, nor their profession of it, both are soon dropped:
And YOU are clearly ignorant of what faith is.

Faith isn't simply "believing" and "calling" on the Lord.
That is Easy-believeism.

Belief + Works = Faith (James 2:14-22).
God uses our works- that HE prepared for us in advance (Eph. 2:10) - to sanctify us throughout our life because they are TRUE faith.
Don't believe me?? Just read the lesson of the Sheep and the Goats (Matt. 25:31-46).

We cannot have true faith without cooperating with that grace through obedience.
And, if we STOP obeying - we have lost that faith and its rewards (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Tim. 4:1, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet.r 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).
 
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You have YET to show me a single verse - in CONTEXT - that supports OSAS.

I use a big boys Bible.
If you require little one-liners, single verses; try a Toddler Bible.

You also keep arrogantly claiming that you don't sin -

I repeat what the Lord has approved in Scripture.
If you think that "arrogant", who cares?

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
For his seed remaineth in him:
And he cannot sin.
Because he is born of God.

While you are wondering if maybe, you are saved, or kind of sort of saved, or waiting to be saved.....depending on the day, you make your wishy washy claims...

I am already forgiven, saved AND born of Gods seed, and sin no more.

If that bothers you....who cares?
 

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? lol
"yes"

what, you think sin is impossible for you now? c'mon

My two cents...

BEFORE I commited, my SIN(S) were.
1) being naturally born from a mans seed
Drats!
2) having the Lord give me a good soul, but yipes. It was in my corrupt body and became corrupt.
Drats!
3) Not believing in God or the Lord.
Drats! Not naturally born believing.

That was changing as I began believing;
And resolved once I committed to Chirst.

The ONLY sin I could commit IF it were possible , would be the same SINS He forgave me for;
Being naturally born in sin.
Corrupting my soul.
Not believing In Him.

God Bless,
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This is the problem with most Protestants.
You simply don't understand what Jesus meant by "It is finished."


LOL - the expert on Protestants...LOL

Jesus accomplished all He came to do, and said it is finished.

Not some big secret....lol

He WASN'T speaking of our salvation



LOL - well as much as you require things SIMPLE...He didn't "hand out" salvation like candy in your trick or treat bag.

But He absolutely PROVIDED Salvation "for" ANY man who Heartfully Believes IN Christ, to RECEIVE Salvation.

He also accomplished many other things...but you can't handle more than little blips at a single time.

Belief + Works = Faith (James 2:14-22).


Yipes...Yet again your Mindful explanation for a Spritual issue.

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? lol
"yes"

what, you think sin is impossible for you now? c'mon

I got a bit lazy....

Here’s an excerpt from Spiritual Christian vs. Carnal Christian: Reflections of His Image – Nancy Missler – Koinonia House

It is in simple language and clearly explains the difference between the two types of Christians

“…..If we choose to follow the old self, we would be called a “carnal Christian,” which means we have been born of the Spirit, but we are not walking by the Spirit. If, on the other hand, we choose to follow the new self, we would be called a “spiritual Christian,” one who is not only born again, but one who is also walking by the Spirit. This is a person who not only believes, but whose actions portray that belief…”

The difference then is the way we think, act and walk that exhibits the walking in Christ. The other Christian is the 'don't talk about Christ here it might embarrass some one'... the 'good' person and reasonable person..etc. always gets along with everyone...you get my drift..

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Our ego won't be going to heaven. We're not even supposed to have one here, but maybe we all do --- maybe just a little bit?

Have you been following along?
Someone brought up being sealed in the Holy Spirit.
Sealing is like an "earnest" or a down payment for something that has to be paid in full --- at the end of life. The payment is that we obey Jesus. If we make all payments, at the end we get our "home".
(I like that analogy)
Indeed as I see it the "sealed" is like the jars of fruits and vegetables my mother used to can. The seal protects the food so it'll be edible when it is opened for that purpose. Breaking the seal before it is time to eat it will cause the food to spoil and so become inedible.

Once in a while through some error made in the sealing process the seal would not take and the food would be rotten when the jar was opened.

Other times even the seal was done correctly something happened after it went into storage like it was hit by an hard object or it was knocked off the shelf breaking the seal. The result was that the seal was broken and the food rotted.

This is how salvation works as I see it. If proper care is taken the seal will never be broken before the end of "our course", but sometimes we choose to break the seal ourselves. It's mistake to do it, but it does happen.
 
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The Westminster Confession of Faith states,

"They whom God hath accepted in his Beloved, effectually called and sanctified by his Spirit, can neither totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace: but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved.

"This perseverance of the saints depends not upon their free will, but upon the immutability of the decree of election, flowing from the free and unchangeable love of God the Father, upon the efficacy of the merits and intercession of Jesus Christ, the abiding of the Spirit and of the seed of God within them, and the nature of the covenant of grace; from all which ariseth, also, the certainty and infallibility thereof." (Chap. XIX, Sect. 1)

John 8:31

31 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;


1 Corinthians 15:1-2

Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,

2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.


Colossians 1:21-23

21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,

22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach —

23 if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.


Hebrews 2:1-3

1 For this reason we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away from it.

2 For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty,

3 how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us by those who heard,


Hebrews 4:14

Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.


Hebrews 6:11-12

11 And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence so as to realize the full assurance of hope until the end,

12 so that you will not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.


Hebrews 10:39

But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.


Hebrews 12:14

Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.


James 1:2-4

2 Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials,

3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.
 
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Indeed as I see it the "sealed" is like the jars of fruits and vegetables my mother used to can. The seal protects the food so it'll be edible when it is opened for that purpose. Breaking the seal before it is time to eat it will cause the food to spoil and so become inedible.

Once in a while through some error made in the sealing process the seal would not take and the food would be rotten when the jar was opened.

Other times even the seal was done correctly something happened after it went into storage like it was hit by an hard object or it was knocked off the shelf breaking the seal. The result was that the seal was broken and the food rotted.

This is how salvation works as I see it. If proper care is taken the seal will never be broken before the end of "our course", but sometimes we choose to break the seal ourselves. It's mistake to do it, but it does happen.
Wow. Best analogy I've read yet!!!
Wish I could just copy and paste it.

Something I really don't like to do, .but in this case!!!
 
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Salvation is spiritual health and wholeness. When Jesus works to make us healthy it is sort of like taking medicine for a chronic illness. I have a chronic illness and if I take medicine prescribed by my doctor, my body responds as if I did not have the disease. Am I working for my health? Not at all - the medicine is doing it all - i am only working with it. If i refuse to work with it, the disease will resume the symptoms that will kill me. Spiritual health is similar - we practice the good work Jesus and the Holy Spirit are doing within us - this is salvation.

People like to think that the process of salvation is magical - as if, it is completely unique, with no comparison. In a way it is, but it does have comparisons. Jesus’s teachings were relatable to the people he spoke to. Frauds peddle magical cures and ideas that are too good to be true - Jesus preached the relatable true, which gave people life not esoteric, pie-in-the-sky promises that could never be realized.
 
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The Westminster Confession of Faith states,

"They whom God hath accepted in his Beloved, effectually called and sanctified by his Spirit, can neither totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace: but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved.

"This perseverance of the saints depends not upon their free will, but upon the immutability of the decree of election, flowing from the free and unchangeable love of God the Father, upon the efficacy of the merits and intercession of Jesus Christ, the abiding of the Spirit and of the seed of God within them, and the nature of the covenant of grace; from all which ariseth, also, the certainty and infallibility thereof." (Chap. XIX, Sect. 1)

John 8:31

31 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;


1 Corinthians 15:1-2

Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,

2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.


Colossians 1:21-23

21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,

22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach —

23 if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.


Hebrews 2:1-3

1 For this reason we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away from it.

2 For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty,

3 how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us by those who heard,


Hebrews 4:14

Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.


Hebrews 6:11-12

11 And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence so as to realize the full assurance of hope until the end,

12 so that you will not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.


Hebrews 10:39

But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.


Hebrews 12:14

Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.


James 1:2-4

2 Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials,

3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.
I'd love to know your age. You sound young.
Why is it that the young are drawn to the hellish doctrine Calvin spread?

Also, you speak of the preservation of the saints, and then proceed to post verses that disprove it!
Bit I'm on a tablet right now...