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Hey - as long as YOU claim that you don't sin -

Hey - I am born OF God.
Hey - Scripture claims I can not sin.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin: for his seed remaineth in him:
And he CANNOT SIN,
BECAUSE he is born OF God.

and you won't take Scripture's word for it -

And that is your choice to not believe Scripture....
AND MY CHOICE TO BELIEVE SCRIPTURE!!

It is also your choice to REMAIN DEAD in your trespasses and sins...

I have made different choices THAN YOU.

Eph 2:1
And you ..(uh ME) hath he quickened WHO,
WERE DEAD in trespasses and sins;

Don't get all mad and huffy and make up lies;
Enjoy your choices; I enjoy my choices!
 
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WRONG again.
The grace to COME to faith is a gift from God - which requires our cooperation.

Belief + Obedience (works) = FAITH.

Faith is a Gift from God.

The Gift of Faith is given to a man BY and THROUGH the Word of God.

A man WHO, is hearing & reading the Word of God; IS receiving the Gift of Faith FROM God.

A man WHO, is Receiving the Gift of Faith;
CAN...
CONTINUE receiving the Gift of FAITH.
CAN...
Declare to the Lord Trusting he has received Gods Gift of Faith...
CAN...
Walk away, and depart from Receiving the Gift of Faith from God. (And foregoes receiving subsequent gifts of salvation and quickening)

A man WHO, continues Receiving the Gift of Faith from God....AND...declares his Faith received from God, TO the Lord...IS:

A man WHO, IS; now prepared to BE the Receiver OF Salvation AND a QUICKENED spirit, and DO SO, BY and through THE SEED OF GOD.

A man WHO, has Received the SEED OF GOD,
IS; a man WHO is now Prepared to LEARN Gods PRECEPTS.

A man WHO, is and continues LEARING Gods PRECEPTS; IS a man WHO IS, being Prepared TO: DO ACCEPTABLE WORKS IN SERVICE TO THE Lord.

A man WHO, DOES Acceptable WORKS IN SERVICE TO THE Lord; IS a man WHOM the Lord SHALL reward for such Services.

Such a SAVED and BORN AGAIN man, WHOSE WORKS "ARE NOT" DOING WORKS in Service to the Lord....

He SHALL forfeit receiving Rewards.

Such a SAVED and BORN AGAIN man,
WHOSE WORKS "ARE NOT" acceptable to the Lord....
His WORKS shall be burned, and remembered no more.

Faith is a Gift from God.
Salvation and Quickening are Gifts from God.

Works are a performance of Service.
Some Works SHALL be rewarded and Some
Works SHALL be burned.

NO WORKS SHALL glorify the Lord, "THAT are performed BY a man WITHOUT" having received Salvation and Quickening.

Thee Lord God Almighty, is a God OF THE LIVING.

Men without having RECEIVED Salvation and Quickening, ARE Dead in their flesh, and cannot Serve thee God of the Living.

Faith IS NOT WORKS!

Faith IS A gift from God.

Faiith-FULLNESS is required to Perform Works acceptable TO God.
 
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Once Saved?

If thou shalt confess....Rom 10:9
Yep, Confessed...check!
Yep, Saved Once....check!

Forever have the Holy Spirt given to the Saved?

For ever have the Holy Spirit...John 14;16
Yep, Received the Holy Spirit...check!
Yep, For ever....check!

Born Again....Gal 3:16. 1 John 3;9
Yep, Received Christ, the Seed of God!
Yep, for ever freed from Sin...check!
Yep, for ever Alive In and With MY Lord God Almighty....check!

Yep...Yessiree bob....
Praise and Glory and Blessing to My Great Lord, My Great God....thee Power who has Set me Free from Sin and made me WHOLE and and ALIVE IN HIM and WITH HIM and all my True brothers IN Christ....forever more.

Amen and Amen!!

God Bless,
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Also, you speak of the preservation of the saints, and then proceed to post verses that disprove it!
Bit I'm on a tablet right now...

Age is irrelevant. Truth is for all ages. I love how people attack Calvin and yet know so little about him. And Calvinism is only named after him because of the fact that he systematized it. He did not invent this system of thinking. And before you begin taking it upon yourself to become the judge, jury, and executioner; allow me to ask a simple question; Do we have more power than Christ? Christ said that He will save us, wash us, and make us whole. In Hebrews, we are told that He is the Author and perfecto of our faith. How can we overcome the power of the Holy Spirit, the 3rd person of the Trinity, who is as much God as the Father and The Son Himself?
Yes. The only problem is, What Is The Truth?
Are you sure YOU have the truth? Does your belief sound like a reasonable belief to you? Is God a God of love? How does a God of love choose some to go to heaven and some to go to hell, for no reason at all.

I believe all of Hebrews. However we can overcome the power of the Holy Spirit...this is because I believe in free will. You believe in irrestible grace, the idea that God forces you to be saved. He forces you to receive His grace. God does not force anyone to do anything...God wants us to love Him of our own free will to do so.

Throughout all of scripture we have the choice to obey or not obey, to choose God or to choose gods. Joshua 24:15 says that we are to choose FOR OURSELVES whom we will serve. Choose for myself means I am using my free will to choose...it is NOT God choosing for me whom I will serve.
Joshua 23:11 tells us to be careful to love God. Why would we be told that if God chose who would be saved? The O.T. and the N.T. are full of these verses. One need only read with an open mind.



What do you find so heretical about saying that God, Who is all powerful, Actually exercises His Omnipotence? How can man, the created, fallen, sinful being over-rule the choice of the All Mighty? What is more heretical; to say that when God chooses a person to be saved He, as the Never-changing God, keeps them to the end, or to say that if I don't keep up my faith, I'm going to loose it? How prideful and ignorant is it to think that we have any control over anything at all!! Can you keep your own heart beating? Do you think of breathing at night while you sleep? You cant even keep your own body alive, what makes you think we are in charge of our own souls? How could we be? Can our actions over rule the choice of God? Or when God makes a choice, is it set, never changing and forever effective. Contrary to popular belief, man has very little to do with his Salvation and Justification, none of which is worth prideful boasting like being able to say "I kept my faith!!!"
Calvinism is heretical. Here's why: It changes the nature of God. God is a just and loving God. 1 John 4:8. God is not only a loving God, HE IS LOVE. His very nature is a nature of love. How would a loving God send some to hell through no fault of their own? A loving and just God will give man the opportunity to save himself.

And what could be more prideful and boastful than to think that God has saved YOU, but not someone else? It's not humbling at all to believe that God chose YOU for whatever reason. Jesus said blesssed are the poor in spirit, blessed are the gentle, blessed are the merciful, blessed are the pure in heart.

So, according to you, Jesus is saying that people could be gentle and merciful, but GOD COULD NOT BE? How could God be merciful if He sends many to hell of his own volition? So people are more merciful than God??

Doesn't sound very reasonable to me, nor will it to most Christians and others that can think it through.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
 
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The Westminster Confession of Faith states,

"They whom God hath accepted in his Beloved, effectually called and sanctified by his Spirit, can neither totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace: but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved.

"This perseverance of the saints depends not upon their free will, but upon the immutability of the decree of election, flowing from the free and unchangeable love of God the Father, upon the efficacy of the merits and intercession of Jesus Christ, the abiding of the Spirit and of the seed of God within them, and the nature of the covenant of grace; from all which ariseth, also, the certainty and infallibility thereof." (Chap. XIX, Sect. 1)

Let's see what the N.T. says about perseverance of the saints,
or eternal security, or osas: I'll highlight.


John 8:31

31 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;


1 Corinthians 15:1-2

Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,

2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.


Colossians 1:21-23

21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,

22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach —

23 if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.


Hebrews 2:1-3

1 For this reason we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away from it.

2 For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty,

3 how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us by those who heard,


Hebrews 4:14

Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.


Hebrews 6:11-12

11 And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence so as to realize the full assurance of hope until the end,

12 so that you will not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.


Hebrews 10:39

But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.


Hebrews 12:14

Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.


James 1:2-4

2 Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials,

3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.


Every quote of yours supports the fact that WE are to believe, WE are to maintain our salvation...God does NOT force it upon us.
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That's a belief in the past and the future
What are your present beliefs?
well, i believe one can apply the Revelation to the present. And that the Promised Land means land, just like it says (iow i believe that Jesus meant something other than what is now inferred by "the Son of Man has no place to lay His head." The thing that is meant as a rebuke, we try to take literally). And that you better have left the world before you physically die. i believe the earth will still be here after the world has passed away, and that heaven comes to earth, not the other way around

I believe a lot of things about today that you would not like, as a result of these other beliefs too, i guess; but i have pretty much aired those already. I don't think dollars are money, or that one can be a patriot and a seeker too, or that there is any food left in grocery stores.

I believe one should take Christ's directives to those who sought to follow Him much more literally; given all your wealth away, gone to another town flat broke and ate what they fed you, etc, at least once, some kind of way. I believe if you can't be happy with nothing, you won't be happy with everything in the world.

so, mostly stuff relevant to me, and maybe irrelevant to someone else i guess
 
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Yes. The only problem is, What Is The Truth?
Are you sure YOU have the truth? Does your belief sound like a reasonable belief to you? Is God a God of love? How does a God of love choose some to go to heaven and some to go to hell, for no reason at all.

Wait....
God KNOWS every man BEFORE he is BORN.

God Does not Wonder;
what you will look like,
or how many hairs on your head you will have
or who you will marry
or how many children you will have
or if you will have a disease
OR IF YOUR Heart WILL CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN HIM.

He first LOVES US.
He KNOWS WHO WILL, and WHO WILL NOT;
Choose Him, Love Him, Believe IN Him.
BEFORE you are born.

God Loves all of His creations.
True enough, He does not Like all of His creations.

He ELECTS those WHOM HE ALREADY KNOWS their Heart and SHALL ELECT to BELIEVE IN HIM and LOVE Him.

Those WHO Elect Him, He has already prepared a PLACE for them, IN HIS Kingdom, WITH Him.

Those WHO will NOT Elect Him, He has already prepared a PLACE for them, WITHOUT Him.

God Bless,
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"During our lifetime"...your question.

"YES, during our lifetime..."IF" one becomes born again....YES, that one becomes FREE from Sin.

"Do you mean that YOU never sin"..your questions.

"YES" that is correct.
I was born IN sin.
I committed sins.
During my life time...
I confessed my sins...
My sins were forgiven.
I became born again.
I am freed FROM sin.
I can sin NO MORE.
I can not SIN.
1 John 3:9



"NO", that is not correct.
That applies to a man WHO, claims to have NO SIN...not born in sin, not commited sin, not confessed he sinned, not forgiven his sins..zip..he doesn't believe sin exists, thus he says he has no sin.



No, I do not make God a liar.
Nor, does God make Himself a liar.

Read 1 John 3:9. Read for yourself, WHO can not sin "AND WHY".

"IF" 1 John 3:9 applies to you; It applies to you. "IF" it doesn't; it doesn't.

I am born again. It applies to me. I can not SIN, and I KNOW WHY.

God Bless,
Taken
Why not do a little study on 1 John 3:9
It doesn't say that one who is saved no longer sins... it says that one who is saved does not LIVE A LIFE OF SIN, because the word of God, the seed, remains in him.

Do you think the bible would contradict itself? Do you think John the Apostle contradicted himself?
Sin
Sins
Life of Sin

Do you suppose there's a difference in the above?
Of course there is. Check it out.
 
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Wait....
God KNOWS every man BEFORE he is BORN.

God Does not Wonder;
what you will look like,
or how many hairs on your head you will have
or who you will marry
or how many children you will have
or if you will have a disease
OR IF YOUR Heart WILL CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN HIM.

He first LOVES US.
He KNOWS WHO WILL, and WHO WILL NOT;
Choose Him, Love Him, Believe IN Him.
BEFORE you are born.

God Loves all of His creations.
True enough, He does not Like all of His creations.

He ELECTS those WHOM HE ALREADY KNOWS their Heart and SHALL ELECT to BELIEVE IN HIM and LOVE Him.

Those WHO Elect Him, He has already prepared a PLACE for them, IN HIS Kingdom, WITH Him.

Those WHO will NOT Elect Him, He has already prepared a PLACE for them, WITHOUT Him.

God Bless,
Taken
Foreknowledge is not causation.
Elect means to choose.
Elect means Israel.
God chose Israel for revelation and salvation.
It doesn't sound like you're expousing calvinistic views.
 

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What Is The Truth?

The Word of God.


... we can overcome the power of the Holy Spirit...this is because I believe in free will.

Freewill gives you the power to Freely elect or reject what "you" will.

the idea that God forces you to be saved.

That is NOT the idea AT ALL.

Exercise your freewill;

Make an election to marry and stay forever with a husband Or break your vow, and thus your vow was a lie.

Make an election to sign a contract until it be fulfilled Or break your vow, and thus your vow was a lie.

Make an election to borrow something with a vow to return what you have borrowed, and not return it, thus your vow was a lie.

Make an election of your own freewill to elect God, and then claim exercise of freewill to reject Him, thus your vow was a lie.

Surely you are aware, God knows all things;
Even before a man thinks or speaks, God already KNOWS your thoughts, your words, as He KNEW all of you, Before you were born.

He does not give salvation, a quickened spirit, His Holy Spirit to a man WHO "freely" LIES to Him.

God Bless,
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Hey - I am born OF God.
Hey - Scripture claims I can not sin.
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin: for his seed remaineth in him:
And he CANNOT SIN,
BECAUSE he is born OF God.
and you won't take Scripture's word for it -
And that is your choice to not believe Scripture....
AND MY CHOICE TO BELIEVE SCRIPTURE!!
It is also your choice to REMAIN DEAD in your trespasses and sins...
I have made different choices THAN YOU.
Eph 2:1
And you ..(uh ME) hath he quickened WHO,
WERE DEAD in trespasses and sins;
Don't get all mad and huffy and make up lies;
Enjoy your choices; I enjoy my choices!
I'm not "mad" or "huffy" at all.
I'm just amazed that people like you still exist because I thought the Pharisees died out. They ALSO claimed that they were not sinners.

I'm also amazed that in hundreds of posts - you have FAILED to answer or address the verses that expose your lie - namely,
Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5 and Rev. 22:19
 

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Faith is a Gift from God.
The Gift of Faith is given to a man BY and THROUGH the Word of God.
A man WHO, is hearing & reading the Word of God; IS receiving the Gift of Faith FROM God.
A man WHO, is Receiving the Gift of Faith;CAN...
CONTINUE receiving the Gift of FAITH.CAN...
Declare to the Lord Trusting he has received Gods Gift of Faith...CAN...
Walk away, and depart from Receiving the Gift of Faith from God. (And foregoes receiving subsequent gifts of salvation and quickening)
A man WHO, continues Receiving the Gift of Faith from God....AND...declares his Faith received from God, TO the Lord...IS:
A man WHO, IS; now prepared to BE the Receiver OF Salvation AND a QUICKENED spirit, and DO SO, BY and through THE SEED OF GOD.
A man WHO, has Received the SEED OF GOD,IS; a man WHO is now Prepared to LEARN Gods PRECEPTS.
A man WHO, is and continues LEARING Gods PRECEPTS; IS a man WHO IS, being Prepared TO: DO ACCEPTABLE WORKS IN SERVICE TO THE Lord.
A man WHO, DOES Acceptable WORKS IN SERVICE TO THE Lord; IS a man WHOM the Lord SHALL reward for such Services.
Such a SAVED and BORN AGAIN man, WHOSE WORKS "ARE NOT" DOING WORKS in Service to the Lord....
He SHALL forfeit receiving Rewards.
Such a SAVED and BORN AGAIN man,WHOSE WORKS "ARE NOT" acceptable to the Lord....His WORKS shall be burned, and remembered no more.
Faith is a Gift from God.
Salvation and Quickening are Gifts from God.
Works are a performance of Service.
Some Works SHALL be rewarded and Some
Works SHALL be burned.
NO WORKS SHALL glorify the Lord, "THAT are performed BY a man WITHOUT" having received Salvation and Quickening.
Thee Lord God Almighty, is a God OF THE LIVING.
Men without having RECEIVED Salvation and Quickening, ARE Dead in their flesh, and cannot Serve thee God of the Living.
Faith IS NOT WORKS!
Faith IS A gift from God.
Faiith-FULLNESS is required to Perform Works acceptable TO God.
As I have schooled you several times now - faith - or the grace to believe - IS a gift from God.
The Bible tells us that unless we cooperate with the grace - we won't have a saving faith.

Read C*a*r*e*f*u*l*l*y:
Matthew 23:37, Luke 13:34
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were NOT WILLING.


They refused to cooperate with God's grace and lost the faith that He gave them
Paul says that we are CO-WORKERS (sunergos) with God:
1 Cor. 3:9
For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.

2 Cor. 6:1
As God’s co-workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain.

A "Co-worker" is a Cooperator.

You're right about ONE thing: Faith is not works. It's ALSO not beliefs.
It's a marriage of BOTH (James 2:14-26).
 

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Foreknowledge is not causation.

Didn't say that.

Elect means to choose.

Sure. And IF I KNEW you completely, I would know what you WOULD CHOOSE, BEFORE you knew and made your choice.

God Knows what you WILL Choose, before YOU know and choose.

Elect means Israel.

Elect means the result of a choice.
Men elect God.
God elects men.

The men God elects, are His Elect.
The men Gods elects, Are His People.
Gods People ARE called ISRAEL.

Not: Israelis,
Not: Hebrews,
Not: Jews
Not: Gentiles
Not: proper jurisdictional Land called Israel.
Not: Jacob

ISRAEL is Gods People. His Elect.
His People born OF His Seed.
His People, and God, their God.

God chose Israel for revelation and salvation.

The name ISRAEL has not changed.
WHO the name ISRAEL "applies to" has changed, to INCLUDE, those not before "INCLUDED", and "EXCLUDE" those who were before "INCLUDED".

God Bless,
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Why not do a little study on 1 John 3:9
It doesn't say that one who is saved no longer sins... it says that one who is saved does not LIVE A LIFE OF SIN, because the word of God, the seed, remains in him.

"One does not live a life of sin" ? But sins?

Tell me how that works.

Not sure which Bible you use, sounds like a modern Bible. I have a whole stash of Bibles I use to study from...Very Old, and Old, with not much use in modern versions.

Do you think the bible would contradict itself?

Nope.

Do you think John the Apostle contradicted himself?

Nope.

Sin
Sins
Life of Sin

Do you suppose there's a difference in the above?
Of course there is. Check it out.

Do you think what Scripture says applies to every single person?

Do you think God changes sinners into sinners? Or part-time sinners?

God Bless,
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Inanutshell this is speaking of the one having the Word of God...

The scribes, hear and who write it.

The Pharisee, who hold it, who have the ability to access and read it.

The Hypocrites...
Those who have, hear, hold, write, read the Word of God...Dictate the Word of God to "others"....even hold "other" in contempt for not doing the Word of God...
WHILE..."THEY" "EXEMPT" themselves from having to do the Word of God.

"THEY" are "themselves" separating themselves from the "Word of God".

Separation from God, is a path bound for death and distruction, and becoming the son of the one who is the father of death.

WHEN "THEY"...teach others, to be "scribes", "Pharisees" and "hypocrites"; after their SAME MANNER...THE CURSE...upon the ones TAUGHT....becomes an INCREASED CURSE.

IOW...sin is accounted to the individual...
If one is 'teaching" another to BE sinful...the increase by default generationally, INCREASES...more and more people will be corrupted...harsher and harsher (curse/penalty) will be increased.

You can read throughout Scripture...how penalties are effected....warnings, hardships, extreme hardships, unbearable hardships, separation, doom, damnination, complete separation, destruction.

God Bless,
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"One does not live a life of sin" ? But sins?

Tell me how that works.

Not sure which Bible you use, sounds like a modern Bible. I have a whole stash of Bibles I use to study from...Very Old, and Old, with not much use in modern versions.



Nope.



Nope.





Do you think what Scripture says applies to every single person?

Do you think God changes sinners into sinners? Or part-time sinners?

God Bless,
Taken
A life of sin: I get drunk every night.
Sin: I get drunk once a year for my birthday.

I use the NASB mainly. But also have the KJV, the NIV and others, including two Italian bibles that come in handy. Do you know God only from the bible, or do you also know Him as though you might know a friend? It doesn't matter which bible you use, they all reveal God to you.

The words in the bible are for every person except some very few verses that are only for the Apostles - and even that could be debated.
Romans 11:21
Galatians 3:28

God changes sinners into a new creation, but that creation still has a sin nature although it is kept under submission with the help of the Holy Spirit. Again, you need a definition for SIN, SINS, LIFE OF SIN.

I'm not here to teach you.

The Nope and Nope has no syntax, so I will not answer it.
 

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I'm just amazed that people like you still exist because I thought the Pharisees died out. They ALSO claimed that they were not sinners.

I am NOT amazed that people like YOU exist.

I am a BIT amazed that any person such as YOURSELF can hardly utter a paragraph that it doesn't CONTAINS LIES.

It's like reading a Medical Journal about people for whom it is SO NATURAL to LIE about everything, to everyone.

It is small of you to Speak "FOR" the Pharisees.
It is small of you to then "PRETEND" I have claimed ... WHAT YOU CLAIMED "FOR" the Pharisees.

Apparently you are STILL UNAWARE, "your word" has repeatedly been proved, as FALSE.

And STILL you are babbling away, making false claims;

Without ONE JOT of the Pharisees QUOTE WHAT YOU HAVE CLAIMED "FOR" THEM,
Without ONE JOT of My QUOTE WHAT YOU HAVE CLAIMED "FOR" ME.

Don't you get it? It is not a secret.
You FABRICATE....endlessly, repeatedly..

Get some help dude...You have gone beyond feeling sorry for you, to a joke.
 

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Didn't say that.



Sure. And IF I KNEW you completely, I would know what you WOULD CHOOSE, BEFORE you knew and made your choice.

God Knows what you WILL Choose, before YOU know and choose.



Elect means the result of a choice.
Men elect God.
God elects men.

The men God elects, are His Elect.
The men Gods elects, Are His People.
Gods People ARE called ISRAEL.

Not: Israelis,
Not: Hebrews,
Not: Jews
Not: Gentiles
Not: proper jurisdictional Land called Israel.
Not: Jacob

ISRAEL is Gods People. His Elect.
His People born OF His Seed.
His People, and God, their God.



The name ISRAEL has not changed.
WHO the name ISRAEL "applies to" has changed, to INCLUDE, those not before "INCLUDED", and "EXCLUDE" those who were before "INCLUDED".

God Bless,
Taken
I made the comment about causation, not you.
Paul said he would be willing to be lost to save his Jewish brethren.
Romans 9:2-3

I honestly don't know what you're saying above.
I'm saying that we choose to believe in God and to follow and serve Him so that we may be saved since God invites ALL to be saved.

I'm not sure what you're saying.
It's mysterious or maybe it's just me.
 

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I saw it much the same way until some time ago, after being once again confused by the teaching in a fellowship I had begun to attend.....Jesus answered my questionings by showing and saying the following......
There was a glass of water in front of me, and I was bid to put some cordial into the glass, which swirled around for a bit in the water and then it all seemed to be the same substance in the glass...Then He said to me :" Now go ahead and separate it again.".....I said :" I can't Lord."....He said :" Precisely."
I still do occasionally get into that same place of questioning, much to my detriment almost every time...but that time He took mercy on me and helped me to never forget this......
I am also aware that me passing this along, is not going to make it real for others, as He did for me at that time, but anyone can seek Him for answers to these things, asking in faith, nothing wavering.
Until we get these answers, we must somehow come to 100% trust Him, and us being who we are, that is not always easy, especially when we have so many very 'important' questions we want answers to lol.......He is just marvelous and ever so patient and kind......We ? Not so much !
That 100% trust is what is needed and alone we cannot get to it. We need to ask God to help us to trust Him still more. I do not doubt the possibility. On the contrary, I know that if God can do it then it can be done. People still so often do not realize that when they say we cannot become sinless while we are still here in this veil of flesh that they, by their own negative faith, are limiting what God can do in them and for them:

"... According to your faith be it unto you." Matt 9:29

We believe that we cannot and that even God cannot within us then that is how it is. When our faith is lacking, we need to ask for more:

"And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith." Luke 17:5
 
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