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The safest, way to calculate the correct day of the civil week during which
Jesus was crucified is to go by the rules that God established very early-on
in the book of Genesis.

†. Gen 1:3-5 . . And God said: Let there be light-- and there was light. God
saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.
God called the light Day and the darkness He called Night.

Day and Night simply label two physical conditions-- the absence of light,
and/or the absence of darkness. Labeling those physical conditions may
seem like a superfluous detail, but when analyzing crucifixion week in the
New Testament, it's essential to keep those physical conditions separate in
regards to the Lord's burial and resurrection if one is to have any hope of
deducing the correct chronology of Easter week.

†. Gen 1:14-18 . . God said: Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to
separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark
seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the
sky to give light on the earth. And it was so. God made two great lights--
the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night.
He also made the stars. God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light
on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from
darkness.

On the first day; God decreed Day as a condition of light; and Night as a
condition of darkness. Then in Gen 1:14-18, He further decreed that days on
the earth are when the sun is up; and nights on the earth are when the sun
is down. These rules occur so early in the Bible that they easily escape the
memories of Bible students as they slip into the reflexive habit of always
thinking of days as periods of one earth rotation of 24 hours. That's okay for
calendars but can lead to gross misunderstandings when interpreting biblical
schedules, predictions, and/or chronologies.

†. John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day? A
man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light.

There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when days on earth
consist of less than 12 hours of daylight, and sometimes more; but when
Jesus was here; the official length was always 12 regardless. The point is:
when calculating a chronology of the Lord's burial and resurrection; it's best
to comply with God's decrees and let days be daytime and nights be
nighttime; viz: days are when the sun is up, and nights are when the sun is
not up.

†. Matt 12:40-41 . . Just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the
belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three
nights in the heart of the earth.


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The Friday changes every year, and is not relevant to the actual date Jesus died. The only reason it's on Friday is because we celebrate Easter on Sunday. Sunday is the traditional date people go to church in western culture, and therefore we celebrate Jesus' resurrection on Sunday. Makes sense to me, I don't know why you would try to figure out the actual week-day of Jesus' death because it is unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
 

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BrainofJT said:
I don't know why you would try to figure out the actual week-day of
Jesus' death because it is unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
It may be unimportant in your grand scheme but it's very important in
mine. I was once humiliated in the midst of a crew of rugged blue collar

shipyard welders when one of them gleefully pointed out, quite accurately,
that it is impossible to get three days and three nights from Friday afternoon
to Sunday morning. I resolved right then and there to find out where those
days and nights are so I wouldn't be made to feel like such a fool again.

I've been requested in the past to explain why The Church settled on Friday
seeing as how it's obviously an error. Well; the reason, I believe, is simply
because it's convenient for both the laity and the hierarchy.

The thing is: the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is a special
sabbath (Ex 12:16, John 19:31). Well; the feast always commences at
sundown, and coincidentally the Passover lamb is supposed to be eaten that
very same night, which would really mess with people's heads were The
Church to attempt to explain all that to the average rank and file pew
warmer who knows little to nothing about Jewish holy days. The trickiest
part of the explanation would involve the timing of the regular seventh-day
sabbath relative to the Feast's special sabbath because it just so happens
that a regular seventh-day sabbath, and a special sabbath are in such close
proximity in the gospels that it's very easy to mistake them as one and the
same sabbath.

Consecutive sabbaths like that happen on occasion due to Yom Kippur, the
Feast of Trumpets, and the Feast of Unleavened Bread being floating
holidays; thus requiring pious Jews to observe two sabbaths in a row the
years when special sabbaths run back to back with the regular seventh day
sabbath.

Another difficulty associated with explaining the chronology of crucifixion
week is that the Lord's religious calendar was running a day ahead of the
local religious calendar. In other words; from the local perspective, Jesus ate
his own lamb too soon; but the reality is; the locals ate theirs too late. Jesus
being a prophet in direct contact with God would of course know the correct
date better than they would.

So then; according to the correct religious calendar, Jesus was crucified on
the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; which his enemies wanted
very much to avoid.

†. Matt 26:3-5 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the people
assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and
they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But not during the
Feast-- they said --or there may be a riot among the people.

Apparently it was God's wishes that His son be crucified during the Feast of
Unleavened Bread; so it was necessary to allow the Lord's enemies to think
they had a day to go before the Feast commenced or they wouldn't have
crucified him on time.

FYI: let's say; hypothetically, that the third day as per Matt 17:22-23, Mark
9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 18:33, Luke 24:6-7, Luke 24:21, Luke 24:46, John
2:19, Acts 10:40, and 1Cor 15:4 began with sunrise Sunday morning.

Working backwards from thence: Sunday was the third day, Saturday was
the second day, and Friday was the first day; with Thursday night the first
night, Friday night the second night, and Saturday night the third night.



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Q: How do you know that Jesus ate his own pesach a day ahead of the
locals?

A: From the gospel of John.

†. John 18:28-29 . .They led Jesus therefore from Caiaphas into the
Praetorium, and it was early; and they themselves did not enter in order
that they might not be defiled, but might eat the Passover.

Jesus ate his own lamb the night before his crucifixion; and from John we
learn that his accusers ate theirs after he was dead. In other words: the
locals ate their lamb during Jesus' first night in the tomb.

Q: Mark and Luke say that Jesus was buried just prior to a sabbath. Doesn't
that indicate he was buried on a Friday afternoon?

A: No; according to John, their reference is to the special sabbath that kicks
off the Feast Of Unleavened Bread as per Ex 12:16.

†. John 19:31-32 . .Therefore, because it was the preparation day-- that the
bodies should not remain on the cross on the sabbath (for that sabbath was
a high day) --the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that
they might be taken away.

The "preparation day" is the day that Jews are supposed to remove all traces
of leavened bread from their premises prior to beginning the Feast Of
Unleavened Bread

Weekly seventh-day sabbaths are routine and have nothing to do with
Passover. But the first day of the Feast Of Unleavened Bread has much to do
with Passover seeing as how it's first night is the very night of the Passover
lamb dinner as per Ex 12:1-20.

At least one element of the crucifixion's events that all four writers agree
upon is the day upon which Jesus was crucified is what's known as
preparation day; which is located in Israel's instructions for Passover at Ex
12:1-20.

Some people fight desperately for the prep day in the gospels to be
associated with the weekly seventh-day sabbath, but seeing as how
Passover night followed so close on the heels of Jesus' burial; I believe that
the prep day referred to in all four gospels should be never be associated
with the weekly seventh-day sabbath, but instead, be always associated with
the first night of the Feast Of Unleavened Bread which, according to Ex
12:16, is a special sabbath.

In the NAS, the KJV, and the NKJV, the day following prep day is called a
"high" day at John 19:31. The koiné Greek word for "high" is megas (meg'
as) which means: big. The reason why the day following prep day is a big
day is obviously because of Passover; which, as everybody all over the world
knows, is a really important holy day in Judaism.



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I don't really have anything to add.... I'm just posting to state I'm standing with you on this Webers! I've been in discussions about this many times... Don't think I've ever convinced anyone that Jesus wasn't crucified on Friday and did not ressurect Sunday morning. I might be wrong and maybe someone did say, "well, ole' FHII's got a point!" If so, praise God! For me it's about standing for Truth in God's eyes. And when someone else stands for it, I support it.
 

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i think this issue is a molehill. unbelievers will always find a reason to reject Christ.

Math may get us to the moon, but it never persuades a believer from believing and a nonbeliever from coming to faith
 

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Had 2014 been the year of Jesus' crucifixion, he would have dined upon his
last supper Sunday night April 13, put to death and buried the next day, and
spent his first of three nights in the tomb while Jews celebrated Passover
Monday night April 14. His resurrection, in accordance with Matt 17:22-23,
Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 18:33, Luke 24:6-7, Luke 24:21, Luke 24:46,
John 2:19, Acts 10:40, and 1Cor 15:4 would have taken place Thursday
morning April 17.



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In one respect; it makes no difference whether Jesus was crucified in the
first century or in the twenty-first century; viz: the prediction below applies
to any century one might choose.

†. Matt 12:40-41 . . Just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the
belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three
nights in the heart of the earth.

Good Friday accounts for only two of the three nights that Jesus predicted in
Matt 12:40-41; so you have to know that Good Friday is flawed right from
the get-go.

Another fatal flaw with Good Friday is its failure to factor in the special
sabbath that begins with Passover night and continues till sundown of the
following day in accordance with Ex 12:1-20. In the year 2014 it was
necessary to be concerned with only the Passover sabbath, but in the year
that Jesus was crucified, there's a weekly seventh-day sabbath in the mix
because of that year's Passover being in such close proximity to the
weekend; which resulted in two consecutive sabbaths that year.

Although it's as plain as the sky is blue to a well-versed Jew that Passover
night is a sabbath, a very large number of Christians don't know it, and even
if they did, wouldn't care anyway. For some odd reason they're as content as
clams at high tide to appear as dunces to the outside world who seem totally
incapable of performing second-grade arithmetic.



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†. 1Cor 15:17 . . if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you
are still in your sins.

Jesus' resurrection is one of the essential elements of the plan of salvation
that provides no options. In other words: his resurrection must be believed if
one is to have any hope at all of escaping the wrath of God.

†. Rom 10:9 . . If you . . . believe in your heart that God raised Him from
the dead, you shall be saved

†. 1Cor 15:1-4 . . Now; I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I

preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which
also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless
you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also
received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, and
that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day in accordance
with the scriptures,

I have no research data at hand to support this next comment; but I am
confident that very large numbers of sensible people capable of performing
second grade arithmetic have died in disbelief simply because of Good
Friday's failure to account for a third night as per the Lord's prediction on
record at Matt 12:40-41. And the sad, tragic part is this: it is people wearing
the Christian label going about promoting, defending, teaching, and
preaching Good Friday as the God's truth. Jesus doesn't need enemies when
he has friends like that working against him to invalidate his teachings and
make Christianity a mockery the world over.



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FAQ: How does a dead Jesus in the tomb compare to a live Jonah in the
whale as per Matt 12:40?

A: By carefully examining the first six verses of the second chapter of Jonah,
it's readily seen that he was alive only part of the time in the fish's tummy.

At some point in his adventure; Jonah went to sheol; which he described as
the roots of the mountains (some versions say the bottoms of the
mountains). Well; I think just about everybody knows that mountains aren't
rooted in the tummies of fish but in the earth's crust. So in order for Jonah
to be in sheol, and at the same time in the tummy of a fish, he had to be
dead at some point because that's the usual way that people in the Bible
part company with their bodies.


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re: "...unbelievers will always find a reason to reject Christ."

How does someone's belief in a 6th day of the week crucifixion provide a reason to reject the Messiah?
 

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I don't really have anything to add.... I'm just posting to state I'm standing with you on this Webers! I've been in discussions about this many times... Don't think I've ever convinced anyone that Jesus wasn't crucified on Friday and did not ressurect Sunday morning. I might be wrong and maybe someone did say, "well, ole' FHII's got a point!" If so, praise God! For me it's about standing for Truth in God's eyes. And when someone else stands for it, I support it.

Praise God! Sometimes I think all other Christians, if they ever think of old' Eber, say, Nay the old man has lost his piglets. But for me this Subject is The Heart of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Therefore, please read 'The Heart of the Gospel',
Read EVERY relevant Scripture in the last chapters of the four Gospels, in textual sequence put together in chronological and logical, historical order, word for word, verse by verse, context to context, using the King James Version interlinear with the Greek, and every shadow of doubt about Christ's perfect fulfilment of the Passover of Yahweh's "three days thick darkness" is dispelled sola Scriptura as per the Article of the Christian Confession of Faith, I believe in Christ, who was crucified, who died and was buried, and who “ROSE from the dead according to the Scriptures THE THIRD DAY”!

Read it HERE,
here, http://www.biblestudents.co.za/books/Die Hart van die Evangelie - Die Laaste Lyding en Triomf van Jesus Christus.pdf

But this is an old edition. You may send me your e-mail address at [email protected], and I'll send you the latest edition, FOC.

Or try read it here,
http://www.biblestudents.co.za/books/Die Hart van die Evangelie - Die Laaste Lyding en Triomf van Jesus Christus.pdf

In the meantime, kindly state your viewpoint on here at CB?

God bless

PS

Alright, no need to say it over, I noticed you already explained above.
May I therefore take your posts point by point and reply?

Thanks
 
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The point is:
when calculating a chronology of the Lord's burial and resurrection; it's best
to comply with God's decrees and let days be daytime and nights be
nighttime; viz: days are when the sun is up, and nights are when the sun is
not up.

You referred to the creation days and nights, then concluded with this, Q~let days be daytime and nights be nighttime; viz: days are when the sun is up, and nights are when the sun is not up.~Q

That is not the way the Genesis record concludes, however. According to Genesis, "the evening and the morning were the ... day", which means
"days" were "evening" when the sun went down and the night following, first; then, "the morning" when the sun is up and the daylight following, TOGETHER constituting "the First Day", "the Second Day" and so on.

Which is very important, so that the "three days and three nights" Jesus spoke about would not be random nights or days of different "days", a night belonging to one day and a day belonging to another day, but every evening-and-night-time together with every morning-and-day-time, would be one day-unit and one and the SAME day "the First Day", "the Second Day" and so on.

when analyzing crucifixion week in the New Testament, it's essential to keep those physical conditions separate in regards to the Lord's burial and resurrection

When analysing Crucifixion week in regards to the Lord's Burial and Resurrection, it is essential to keep the physical "three nights" and "three days" TOGETHER WITHIN each specific day of the "three days" Jesus "on the third day" of, would resurrect.
 
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The Friday changes every year, and is not relevant to the actual date Jesus died. The only reason it's on Friday is because we celebrate Easter on Sunday. Sunday is the traditional date people go to church in western culture, and therefore we celebrate Jesus' resurrection on Sunday. Makes sense to me, I don't know why you would try to figure out the actual week-day of Jesus' death because it is unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

It's obvious how and why it makes sense to you. It's because you take tradition and culture to figure out the week-day Jesus resurrected on and take for unimportant the Passover-of-Yahweh Scriptures about his Burial day. Eish!
 

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the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is a special
sabbath (Ex 12:16,

Exodus 12:16 refers to "the first day they always had to KILL the passover on", and, Exodus 12:15a, always had to "REMOVE leaven" on, and, Leviticus 23:21,22,11a, always had to "CUT" the first sheaf of winter's harvest on to "lift" it up and "bring" and "present" it before the priest.
 
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the Lord's religious calendar was running a day ahead of the
local religious calendar. In other words; from the local perspective, Jesus ate
his own lamb too soon; but the reality is; the locals ate theirs too late.

Nothing whatsoever gives any reason for making your conclusion. Tell us why do you assume this supposed difference?
 

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according to the correct religious calendar, Jesus was crucified on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread

No such thing; show it in the Gospels!

Jesus was crucified on the day that started here, Mark 14:12,17 Matthew 26:17,20 Luke 22:7,9 John 13:1,31 1Corinthians 11:23.
The morning sunrise of this day was here, John 18:28; 19:14;
3 p.m. until sunset on this day is seen here, John 19:28-30 Mark 15:34-41 Matthew 27:46-56 Luke 23:46-49

Jesus was BURIED on the day that started here, Mark 15:42-46a Matthew 27:57-59 John 19:31,38 Luke 23:50-53.
The morning and day after sunrise on this day is seen here, Luke 23:53b,55b
3 p.m. until sunset this day is seen here, Luke 23:54-56a Mark 15:46b,47 Matthew 27:60,61 John 19:42

Jesus was RAISED from the dead and grave on the day that started here, Luke 23:56b.
The morning sunrise of this day was here, Matthew 27:62-66.
3 p.m. BEFORE sunset this day is seen here, Matthew 28:1-4.
 

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Matt 26:3-5 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the people
assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and
they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But not during the
Feast-- they said --or there may be a riot among the people.

Apparently it was God's wishes that His son be crucified during the Feast of
Unleavened Bread; so it was necessary to allow the Lord's enemies to think
they had a day to go before the Feast commenced or they wouldn't have
crucified him on time.

No friend. You admit you just speculate. It is unnecessary to speculate. Just follow the Gospels' record while reading them together at the same place historically, and you cannot go wrong.
 

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FYI: let's say; hypothetically, that the third day as per Matt 17:22-23, Mark
9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 18:33, Luke 24:6-7, Luke 24:21, Luke 24:46, John
2:19, Acts 10:40, and 1Cor 15:4 began with sunrise Sunday morning.

Working backwards from thence: Sunday was the third day, Saturday was
the second day, and Friday was the first day; with Thursday night the first
night, Friday night the second night, and Saturday night the third night.

Why would anyone pay attention to or accept something for his 'Information' which merely is someone else's 'hypothesis'?

Say, the hypothesis, Q~the third day as per Matt 17:22-23, Mark
9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 18:33, Luke 24:6-7, Luke 24:21, Luke 24:46, John
2:19, Acts 10:40, and 1Cor 15:4 began with sunrise Sunday morning.
~Q

...reduced to Q~the third day began with sunrise~Q
Answer:
Unacceptable; the Bible's days don't begin with sunrise followed by morning; they begin with sunset followed by evening followed by night followed by sunrise followed by morning followed by the rest of daylight and ends with sunset following.

Say, the hypothesis, Q~the third day as per Matt 17:22-23, Mark
9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 18:33, Luke 24:6-7, Luke 24:21, Luke 24:46, John
2:19, Acts 10:40, and 1Cor 15:4 began with sunrise Sunday morning.
~Q

...reduced to, Q~the third day ... Sunday~Q
Rejectable! "the third day" not in one instance, ever, was 'Sunday'.
 

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Q: How do you know that Jesus ate his own pesach a day ahead of the
locals?

A: From the gospel of John.

†. John 18:28-29 . .They led Jesus therefore from Caiaphas into the
Praetorium, and it was early; and they themselves did not enter in order
that they might not be defiled, but might eat the Passover.

Jesus ate his own lamb the night before his crucifixion; and from John we
learn that his accusers ate theirs after he was dead. In other words: the
locals ate their lamb during Jesus' first night in the tomb.

Yes, 'Jesus ate his own lamb the night before his crucifixion' SO TO SPEAK! He ate the Bread of Life by his SUFFERING the death of death. He drank the Cup by executing his Father's Will: "Not MY Will but THY Will be done!" was Jesus' Water of Life He drank with SUFFERING the Passover of Yahweh ...while He ate nor drank from the table of the Lord's Supper morsel of bread or drop of wine-- the night the day He would be crucified and killed in after.
 
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