Every false teacher says his doctrine comes from God. How can we prove it doesn't? By showing how it contradicts Scripture.
Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy
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I agree that Paul taught righteousness through faith in Messiah. He also taught us that faith does NOT make void the law (Romans 3:31). We are to obey the law, but we are not to use the law as a means to righteousness or salvation. The law gives us the knowledge of sin. Take away the law and we don't know we are sinning.
Yes, just as you say, so how do we know you are not a false teacher. Oh the accusations abound. You could of course take that up with BOL and the catholics, or the mormans the Jesuits, the Anglicans the SdA of @brakelite is one, than there is the mormans, Greek orthodox, russian orthodox, JW's. and so on goes the list., who, funnily enough, they all claim they have it right and too can prove it in the bible.
Well I guess you missed this bit in your study
om 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
See Sin was always here, than along came the law with Moses. how long was that after Adam????
But it is no longer the law that convicts you of sin, see i guess you missed this bit in your studies, or ignored it...
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
and this bit
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
see just wasting your time and laying stumbling stones before others.
You prayerfully study the Scriptures asking for the Holy Spirit's guidance to know which view is true. You don't just attack or refute the messenger without having done those things.
I didn't miss anything. I stated what Paul taught;
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
When the law is broken, it provides us the knowledge that we sinned. That does not exclude the conviction of sin through the Holy Spirit. BTW, there were certainly commandments, statutes and laws prior to the law being codified;
Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
YHWH taught us through David the value of the law;
Psalm 19:7 The law of YHWH is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of YHWH is sure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8 The statutes of YHWH are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of YHWH is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psa 19:9 The fear of YHWH is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of YHWH are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:8 The statutes of YHWH are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of YHWH is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psa 19:9 The fear of YHWH is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of YHWH are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
It is sad that the majority of Christians don't have that desire for the law because Satan has deceived them into believing the law is abolished. And don't try and sound so spiritual by saying, "My desire is now for Jesus". We are to desire both just as the remnant church does (Revelation 14:12).
no actually I dont believe anything unless God says it is so, it is by the spirit we judge all things, not mens wisdom knowledge and the bible.
Oh satan has enough lawers helping him keep Gods children from God, doesnt need my help .
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
see it is not teh law condemning you, it is the Holy Spirit because well you read it again, teh law only leads to death by those who rather it than Grace.
This bit
Luk 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
Luk 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Luk 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.
You are mixing "the law" which is the old, with Grace and His Spirit which is "the new" its is just one of those religious things that religions love to do,
Act 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
Act 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
your missing out...
Once God says something is so, is it necessary for God to say it then isn't so? Or do you take the word of man or church that what He says was so at one time, but is no longer?
Well since I dont go to church this bit
Rev_18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
because I belong to our Lords church as many do, not mens this bit,
Act 7:46 Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.
Act 7:47 But Solomon built him an house.
Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
because
2Co_6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
because
Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
God bless
You just love to argue, even when you agree with me. Did I not just write about the Holy Spirit's guidance? Are the Holy Scriptures no longer profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16)?
No I dont quiet agree with you. The Holy Spirit comes first. like God and Jesus before the bible, they are the truth, wont find any lie. They cant come after the bible.
As for scripture and what Jesus says of it.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.
because our life is in His word, and Jesus is His word, and His word is Spirit and it is life, and when we learn from Him, we grow because He is the bread of life and when we eat of Him we are fed.
Go draw a picture of your God and see what He looks like, mine is Abba ,Father.
I never said the Bible comes first. The Bible cannot be understood without the Holy Spirit and it is the Spirit that teaches and confirms the doctrines found in Scripture. It is also the Spirit that causes us to obey the law.
Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
My Elohim (God) is a loving Father who fully expects His children to love Him back by keeping His commandments. (1 John 5:3).
Ni he doesnt, it is you why you own self that is carrying that burden.
It is by love we are supposed to walk, because love well, i hope you get it one day.
Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
nothing to do with any laws,
yep by treating Him as a father not an overbearing dictator,
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
So this is where we are supposed to be, not working.....
Fine. You go on with your life by not working and I'll go on with mine doing the works that I was ordained to do (Ephesians 2:10). There will come a time when I will rest from my labors, but you won't because you don't work.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Yeshua.
Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow them.
BTW, these saints are not saved or made righteous by their commandment keeping. They were ordained to do those good works.Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow them.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
because
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men?Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
and
om 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
which again is where we are supposed to be.
Yes you may well keep the Law, all good, but dont expect any browny points, God doesnt work that way, and dont go laying that stumbling block before others.
God bless
Truth
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If I am wrong please correct me! according to Scripture, There is no other Name under Heaven by which people should be Saved. Therefore go and Preach the Gospel, and Baptizing in the Name Of? These two scriptures bare wittiness to each other!!! No man or woman can be saved least they cry out to ? And no man or woman can be a part of the Body, if not Baptized in His Name? now if you look up the name Joshua, in the Strongs, you will find several names that are assigned to the Name Joshua, including Jesus, but I think if one was to research, you would find that Our Savior's Birth Name in His Original Language would be the Same as Joshua, with one exception, Hebrew has no J sound in their Language, neither do those in Europe, they have a YA sound for the Letter J, so it is a fact that our Savior's Name at Birth was Yashuha!!!!
I know this is not part of the OP, sorry
Jun2u
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I don’t believe anyone here is claiming that God removed the sanctity of the 4th Commandment. The command to keep it holy still remains, except God changed the day from the 7th to the 1st.
For example, God told Jonah to go to the city of Nineveh that if they did not repent of their evil ways He will destroy the city in forty days. The people repented and God turned away from the thing He was going to do. See, from time to time, God’s program changes, just as He said also He will not destroy this world with water ever again, yet we know He will destroy it by fire on the last day.
The words “Trinity,” “Omniscient,” and “Omnipresent are NOT found in the KJV of the Bible, yet no serious student of the Bible will deny there are no three distinct persons in the Godhead, nor deny that God is Almighty and everywhere present. We believe by faith!. “Thus saith the Lord” in this context is irrelevant. Either believe what Scriptures declare or not.
I’ve laid a Bomb Shell on this thread by introducing Matthew 28:1. Why is
everybody having a hard time understanding? I mean what part of the phrase, “At the end of the Sabbaths, as it began to dawn towards the first of the Sabbaths,” not understood? Is it because no one has ever related Matt 28:1 with the Seventh Day Sabbath before? That would be my estimation.
Whether the word “day” is omitted or not from Matt 28:1 the thought still remain the same. Also, the word “week” is NOT in the original manuscript and is the Greek word “Sabaton” (Sabbaths).
I’ve laid out two more Bomb Shells which gadar perets ignored and never responded which I copied and pasted here…
gadar perets said: ↑
Correct. It is not addressing work which is obviously forbidden. It is addressing the deeper spiritual ways to keep the 7th day Sabbath holy.
Great! Now you are touching upon the very crux of the whole matter. Is there a spiritual significance in the stoning of the man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath day in Numbers 15? If so, what were they?
And, is there a spiritual significance in the “rest” the believers have in Jesus? If so, what are they?
If I may I would like to impose these same questions upon you as I did with the writer of this OP.
To God Be The Glory
In other words, your feelings are your final authority above scripture. Your decisions are made on the basis of what you 'feel' is the voice of God and the leading of the holy Spirit. The question others have put too you, and me, is how do you know that what voice you are listening to and obeying is in fact the voice of God, considering the fact that what He is saying is in contradiction to what He has had previously spoken?
Whats the problem, nothing I have spoken is out of context, it just doesnt agree with you. I am ok with that. Dont you know the Holy Spirit. he is Gods seed it is that which marks us as one of His. The Holy Spirit cannot disagree with God nor Jesus as they are all in agreement and truth, thats why it says,
Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
and
1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
because
Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Dont you know the voice of your saviour, you should, just like a penguin mother know the call of its child amongst the thousands.
God bless
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