What Is the Truth About the Holy Spirit in John 16:13 in All Bibles?

JesusIsFaithful · Apr 17, 2018

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come KJV

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. NIV

John 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. NASB

John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. ESV

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come. ASV

John 16:13 But when the Spirit of truth comes, he will lead you into all truth. He will not speak his own words, but he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is to come. NCV

John 16:13 Yet when the Spirit of Truth comes, he’ll guide you into all truth. He won’t speak on his own accord, but he’ll speak whatever he hears and will declare to you the things that are to come. ISV

What is the truth about the Holy Spirit as sampled from all Bible versions about how He will not speak to how He will speak instead?

Nomad · Apr 17, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come KJV

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. NIV

John 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. NASB

John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. ESV

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come. ASV

John 16:13 But when the Spirit of truth comes, he will lead you into all truth. He will not speak his own words, but he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is to come. NCV

John 16:13 Yet when the Spirit of Truth comes, he’ll guide you into all truth. He won’t speak on his own accord, but he’ll speak whatever he hears and will declare to you the things that are to come. ISV

What is the truth about the Holy Spirit as sampled from all Bible versions about how He will not speak to how He will speak instead?

I'm not really sure what you're asking. Could you expand on your question a bit?

Armadillo · Apr 18, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
What is the truth about the Holy Spirit as sampled from all Bible versions about how He will not speak to how He will speak instead?

The Holy Spirit will not speak to you about your failures, your past mistakes or what you have to do to be right with God.

You are the righteousness of God in Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:21 and God dwells in you, 1 Corinthians 3:16.

The Holy Spirit will speak to you about Jesus, He glorifies Jesus, He glorifies the Christ in you and all that He has done for you.

John 14:26, But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

God speaks to you through His Son. When you have a relationship with the Son, you have a relationship with the Father and the Holy Spirit dwells in you.

Hebrews 1:2, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Luke 10:22, Jesus said, "All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

Windmillcharge · Apr 18, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
What is the truth about the Holy Spirit as sampled from all Bible versions about how He will not speak to how He will speak instead?

The Spirit will only say what God has instructed him to say.

twinc · Apr 18, 2018

Windmillcharge said:
The Spirit will only say what God has instructed him to say.

an utter and total non grasp because it is not really understood what the mission of the Holy Spirit really was which imho was well done and completed - which here as mostly elsewhere also is as a result of slipshod reading and understanding and application - the mission of the Holy Spirit imho was to bring back to human forgetfulness accurately what Jesus said and did and so we have our glorious bible lest we also forget - btw it must not go unnoticed and forgotten that here as at Jn 14:17 this was not addressed to us as this is what causes the confusion imho - twinc

JesusIsFaithful · Apr 18, 2018

Nomad said:
I'm not really sure what you're asking. Could you expand on your question a bit?

Do you agree that the Holy Spirit will not speak Himself, that is to say, speak on His own accord or on His own initiative, or on His own authority, or His own words, but only speak what He hears?

An example; A man prophesied something and the hearers doubted what he had said and then the man says; "This is the Holy Spirit speaking! Do not doubt me ever again!"

Would the Holy Spirit say something like that in according to His words or not?

DPMartin · Apr 18, 2018

Armadillo said:
The Holy Spirit will not speak to you about your failures, your past mistakes or what you have to do to be right with God.

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if you don't think walking with God isn't a penitent life style, you are sadly mistaken:

Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

2Co 7:8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season. 9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. 10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

bbyrd009 · Apr 18, 2018

i kind of understood Arm to mean "not cause you to dwell on past sins, that you have repented of," tho you have a point there too

JesusIsFaithful · Apr 18, 2018

Windmillcharge said:
The Spirit will only say what God has instructed him to say.

So that means what all Bible versions say and that is the Holy Spirit cannot use God's gift of tongues for uttering His own intercessions as a prayer language from Himself.

twinc · Apr 18, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
So that means what all Bible versions say and that is the Holy Spirit cannot use God's gift of tongues for uttering His own intercessions as a prayer language from Himself.

see post No 5 - twinc

JesusIsFaithful · Apr 18, 2018

twinc said:
see post No 5 - twinc

Thank you for sharing.

Although I am aware of John 14:26 in how the Holy Spirit was to bring in remembrance of all things Jesus has said unto us, in regards to Him speaking through us to others, He speaks what He hears which is what the OP is about in how the Holy Spirit will not speak from Himself of His own words, but speak what He hears.

If each member will discern this truth about the Holy Spirit, then God may help some to discern that tongues without interpretation cannot be a prayer language of the Holy Spirit, and they should discern that supernatural tongue as not of Him to go to Jesus for help to shun it and pray normally at that throne of grace like every other believer.

Nomad · Apr 18, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
Do you agree that the Holy Spirit will not speak Himself, that is to say, speak on His own accord or on His own initiative, or on His own authority, or His own words, but only speak what He hears?

Joh 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Joh 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Joh 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

Basically this passage is simply saying that the task of the Holy Spirit in the scheme of redemption is to be a messenger who bears witness to Christ. In this regard, the Holy Spirit promotes Christ and his work of redemption.

Armadillo · Apr 19, 2018

DPMartin said:
if you don't think walking with God isn't a penitent life style, you are sadly mistaken:

Oh yes, there is a huge change of lifestyle, for the better, albeit slowly with repentance, not penitence. Repentance and penitence are not the same.

Definition of penitence
: the quality or state of being penitent : sorrow for sins or faults Forgiveness requires penitence.

Are we not already forgiven? Do we not have a Godly sorrow?

metanoia: change of mind, repentance
Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Short Definition: repentance, a change of mind
Definition: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.

Ezekiel 36:2, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

A heart transformation takes place, you are not who you once were and you don't get the credit.

Romans 12:2, Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

The Holy Spirit exhorts, comforts, talks to and gently guides me to love what God loves and hate what God hates and when led into temptation or experiencing chaotic situations, He is right there with me, He lives in me but the final choice is still mine to make. The best question I ask myself at such times is, "Am I a daughter or a slave?"

Galatians 4:7, So you are no longer a slave, but God’s child; and since you are his child, God has made you also an heir.

The Holy Spirit does bring scripture to my mind, "As it is written..."

Psalms 51:11, Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me.

He won't ever leave me, John 14:16.

John 14:26, But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

I did not write all the above just as a response to you or for whoever reads it, I wrote it for me too...it does my heart good.

Windmillcharge · Apr 19, 2018

twinc said:
an utter and total non grasp because it is not really understood what the mission of the Holy Spirit really was which imho was well done and completed - which here as mostly elsewhere also is as a result of slipshod reading and understanding and application - the mission of the Holy Spirit imho was to bring back to human forgetfulness accurately what Jesus said and did and so we have our glorious bible lest we also forget - btw it must not go unnoticed and forgotten that here as at Jn 14:17 this was not addressed to us as this is what causes the confusion imho - twinc

The Holy Spirit does:-

He intercedes for us with groaning, prompting us to pray, (Romans 8:26)
He searches our hearts (Romans 8:27)
He talks to us (Acts 13;2, 16:6-7, Revelation 2:7)
He teaches all things (John 14:26)
He reminds us of scripture (John 14:26)

Windmillcharge · Apr 19, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
So that means what all Bible versions say and that is the Holy Spirit cannot use God's gift of tongues for uttering His own intercessions as a prayer language from Himself.

Why do you think that?

Romans 8:27 tells us that the Spirit will inturpret our deepest groans, which means he is using the gift of language.

JesusIsFaithful · Apr 19, 2018

Windmillcharge said:
Why do you think that?

Romans 8:27 tells us that the Spirit will inturpret our deepest groans, which means he is using the gift of language.

As God enables me, let me explain.

The reason why the lost books of the Bible are not in the 66 accepted books of the Bible is because it was running against the truth in scripture. That means no lie can be of the truth for why those lost books are NOT in the Bible.

Jesus warned believers that they will need to discern who loves Him in keeping His words from those that did not; John 14:23-24 & John 15:20

When Bible versions copy right stipulates that a certain number of changes in the wordings and number of words in order to get its copyright as a Bible version, how can we be sure if the message is not lost in making a Bible version; not to make it easier to read, but for the love of money?

So when John 16:13 says in all Bibles that the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself but can only speak what He hears, then He cannot turn God's gift of tongues which was for speaking unto the people as prophesied and turn it around for His own use in uttering His intercessions back to God.

Then something is amiss in Romans 8:26-27 in the modern Bibles, ( except for the KJV and a few others ) when the wording is changed to imply that the Holy Spirit is actually giving His intercessions audibly.

So we go to the Greek at this link below:

HTML Bible Index - King James Version - Strongs Concordance - Frames Version

Scroll down on the left side to Romans and click on #8 and the page should give you Romans 8th chapter. Then scroll down to verses 26 & 27 where the Greek words are mirroring the English words of those 2 verses.

stenagmoiV is the second Greek word from the end of verse 26 meaning.... "from stenazw - stenazo 4727; a sigh:--groaning." If you click on that blue Greek word, it will pop up the definition in a bar at the bottom of the page.

alalhtoiV is the Greek word at the end of verse 26 meaning......"from a - a 1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of lalew - laleo 2980; unspeakable:--unutterable, which cannot be uttered."

So in reading verse 26 at that site in English, that means even the groanings of the Holy Spirit cannot be uttered; hence no sound at all.

8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Verse 27 is actually a testimony of Jesus Christ as He is the One that searches our hearts as per Hebrews 4:12-16 and thus He is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit for how the unspeakable intercessions are known to God the Father because Jesus knowing the mind of the Spirit, intercedes for the Spirit's behalf of the Spirit's unspeakable intercessions for us.

8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.

So when we lean on Jesus for wisdom in discerning and understanding His words in John 16:13, then we can see how the truth in John 16:13 in ALL Bible versions exposes the error in modern Bibles of how they testify of the Holy Spirit in having intercessions for us in Romans 8:26-27.

That is why God's gift of tongues as prophesied was for speaking unto the people ( 1 Corinthians 14:21 ) and will always comes with interpretation to profit the body withal. 1 Corinthians 12:7

1 John 4:1-6 warned believers not to believe every spirit but test them as any believer thinking the Holy Spirit is coming over them apart from salvation bringing tongues without interpretation and thus assumed to be a prayer language, that was not the Holy Spirit when He was already in us as promised for coming to and believing in Jesus Christ at the calling of the gospel ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 ). That is why the apostle John touched on how those in error will speak as the world speaks in supernatural tongue which is gibberish.

Regardless of what Romans 8:26-27 says in that modern Bible, believers need to go to John 16:13 and see that as declared as truth in all Bible versions, that Romans 8:26-27 in that same modern bible is a lie and the truth can be found in the KJV as no lie can be of the truth.

God wants us to pray and believers are to shun vain & profane babbling ( 2 Timothy 2:15-16 ) to pray normally and stop chasing after receiving the Holy Spirit after any sign. 2 Corinthians 11;1-4 & 2 Corinthians 13:5

1 Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing.18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.....21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us.

BEB1956 · Apr 20, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come KJV

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. NIV

John 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. NASB

John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. ESV

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come. ASV

John 16:13 But when the Spirit of truth comes, he will lead you into all truth. He will not speak his own words, but he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is to come. NCV

John 16:13 Yet when the Spirit of Truth comes, he’ll guide you into all truth. He won’t speak on his own accord, but he’ll speak whatever he hears and will declare to you the things that are to come. ISV

What is the truth about the Holy Spirit as sampled from all Bible versions about how He will not speak to how He will speak instead?

I believe that the true question should be, why does John use the pronoun "it" at John 14: 16,17 whereas "him" and "he" are used at John 16: 7,8,13,14 when referring to the helper, or the spirit of the truth. I believe the reason for this is strictly grammatical. In the Greek language, in which John's gospel was written, the word for "helper" is in the masculine gender, but the term for "spirit" is in the neuter. In recording Jesus statement, John therefore used the masculine pronoun, such as "he" or "him," when referring to what the helper would do. The neuter pronoun "it" was employed when reference was made to what the spirit of the truth would accomplish. I believe looking at this Scripture like this we can see how God's spirit served as a teacher and remembrancer and also operates to reveal truths. Hence, it can help us to grow in knowledge, wisdom, insight, judgment, and thinking ability. I believe this line of thinking is supported because, the Catholic New American Bible admits regarding John 14:17: "The Greek word for 'spirit' is neuter, and while we use personal pronouns in English ( 'he,' 'his,' 'him'), most Greek MSS [Manuscripts] employ it. So when the Bible uses masculine personal pronouns in connection for the word "helper" at John 16:7,8 it is conforming to rules of grammar, not expressing a doctrine.

BEB1956 · Apr 20, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
So that means what all Bible versions say and that is the Holy Spirit cannot use God's gift of tongues for uttering His own intercessions as a prayer language from Himself.

Those who speak in tongues today, are they practicing it the way 1st century Christians did?

Windmillcharge · Apr 20, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
When Bible versions copy right stipulates that a certain number of changes in the wordings and number of words in order to get its copyright as a Bible version, how can we be sure if the message is not lost in making a Bible version; not to make it easier to read, but for the love of money

The same way that one determines that the preacher is not preaching in order to make money.

JesusIsFaithful · Apr 20, 2018

BEB1956 said:
I believe that the true question should be, why does John use the pronoun "it" at John 14: 16,17 whereas "him" and "he" are used at John 16: 7,8,13,14 when referring to the helper, or the spirit of the truth. I believe the reason for this is strictly grammatical. In the Greek language, in which John's gospel was written, the word for "helper" is in the masculine gender, but the term for "spirit" is in the neuter. In recording Jesus statement, John therefore used the masculine pronoun, such as "he" or "him," when referring to what the helper would do. The neuter pronoun "it" was employed when reference was made to what the spirit of the truth would accomplish. I believe looking at this Scripture like this we can see how God's spirit served as a teacher and remembrancer and also operates to reveal truths. Hence, it can help us to grow in knowledge, wisdom, insight, judgment, and thinking ability. I believe this line of thinking is supported because, the Catholic New American Bible admits regarding John 14:17: "The Greek word for 'spirit' is neuter, and while we use personal pronouns in English ( 'he,' 'his,' 'him'), most Greek MSS [Manuscripts] employ it. So when the Bible uses masculine personal pronouns in connection for the word "helper" at John 16:7,8 it is conforming to rules of grammar, not expressing a doctrine.

Since man was created in His image and male being the established hierarchy over the woman, as Christ is over the man, then the Spirit OF God with God being male, makes the Spirit male as well in being a He in representing masculine God ( not necessarily meaning gender ).

I believe the use of "itself" was to keep that verse true in testimony because the Holy Spirit is not really giving His intercessions Himself when they are unspeakable. He does make them for us in having intercessions for us, but He cannot give them. Jesus Christ knowing the mind of the Spirit is how the intercessions of the Spirit's are known to God the Father.

So the mind of the Holy Spirit serves as a means for His intercessions to be known as He relies on the Son of God to know the mind of the Spirit, thus it cannot be Himself when He is not really giving His own intercessions, but itself as being the means by which His unspeakable intercessions are known.

So when you look at the reality of how the Holy Spirit CANNOT speak for Himself, then He cannot really be giving His intercessions by Himself but by the Son knowing the mind of the Spirit because His intercessions, although He has them, are unspeakable and thus unutterable.

That is how truth lines up in scripture...when all of them says the same thing as there can be no lie of the truth.

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