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You have this wrong. that is NOT what Paul is saying.
He didn't say that we shouldn't hope for salvation because "already" have it.
He is saying that we HAVE hope - and what good is hope if we already have something that we are hoping for?
Rom. 8:22-24
We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.
For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have?
We are NOT completed yet. We are a project in the works (Phil. 1:6) . . .
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BOL thank you for sharing...
BOL, I pray to our Father in heaven to bring you and your in-laws peace and love that he can only provide.
Bless you I pray, not by mere human words, but by true spiritual action from above; from a stranger that has gotten to know your words, whether he always agrees with them or not. YOU are loved BOL
APAK
When Scripture is speaking of "secure"...
That "secure" place "begins" with receiving the KNOWLDGE of "the WORD of God".
It begins while they are carnal...the information is going to the MIND.
They are processing what they hear...
IN THEIR MIND.
And WHILE they are receiving KNOWLEDGE, the Lord IS giving the "natural heart" Faith.
And why scripture says....(paraphrasing) WHILE you were still IN your sin, IN your OLD MAN...the Lord was giving you Faith.
BECAUSE you continued in the SECURITY of HIS WORD.
The Apostles spoke to men about this...basically saying...You are receiving the Word of God....don't falter and fade away or walk away....This is the order, the journey of HOW TO become IN Christ.
No one is "SECURE" until the WORD OF GOD is "IN" them.<--- His Seed, His Spirit....
"IN" their born again spirit, "IN" their new HEART.
These men had for centuries been taught...to obey the law, do good works, and at the end of your Life....IF you have accomplished...you would be Saved.
And along the way, if you stumble, bring your pure animal to be slaughtered, and be blessed and forgiven for your stumbles.
Once a man IS IN Christ...the SIN IS forgiven, the Salvation IS given, the Seed IS given, the New Heart, and the new spirit IS given. The OLD flesh is Dead. You are KEPT, in this condition, BY the Power of God.......
NOT our own.
You NO LONGER live IN your OLD Dead Flesh, you LIVE IN Chirst...which is WHY you can SIN NO MORE.. By your Power? Pfft, NO!
Rollo asked, I've asked.....which none have answered...
WHAT ARE these SINS, where's the list, where's the examples, where are these supposed SINS, that apply to a MAN IN CHRIST....whom Christ IS IN the MAN, and the Mans LIFE IS IN Christ?
You want to know ..... how is this FOREVER?
The Lord said so...
He would For ever be with you.
John 6:51
Eat of this bread, (ie have the Lord IN you) and live for ever.
Luke 1:55
To Abraham's seed for ever...
Abraham's promised seed is every man WHO, like Abraham, has Gods Seed.
John 14:15
Abide with you for ever.
Heb 10:14
Hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Phlm 1:15
Receive Him for ever.
2 John 1:2
Which dwelleth IN us and shall be WITH us for ever.
The Key is not receiving knowledge, but what one does with the Knowledge....
Receiving the Gifts of God that lead to receiving the Seed of God is the KEY.
Once a man receives the Seed of God..the Lord IS for ever IN and WITH that man.
Rom. 8:22-24
We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.
For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have?
We are NOT completed yet. We are a project in the works (Phil. 1:6) . . .[/QUOTE]
Point is...each step along the way, things become accomplished....
From the time a man is carnally born...
His journey, to learning about God, about Christ...about the steps we take...to step on the path...or walk away from...
As we follow each step we accomplish...
They are done.
There is nothing we can physically see.
We learn what is necessary to accomplish each step.
The accomplishing IS effected by the Power of God.
It's taught in Scripture.....IF...you do this...
THEN....the Lord will do that.
Each individual knows what he does.
As does the Lord....IF the man hears...Then he will be enlightend....given Faith.
If the man Keeps hearing...his faith increased.
And so on through each step and order of the journey of a Carnal man.
As steps become more intense...meaning...
From just causally listening, saying oh ya okay,,,I can believe that...eh nah don't believe that...eh maybe, IDK...believe, doubt, deny, believe.....the Disciples did that, and so do most people.
These people CAN fall away.
TO...I am ready to give my life to the Lord...
Which when this is accomplished, it is for ever....not by our power, by His Power.
And the conversion, changes many things IN a man.....and we don't SEE the changes..
We don't SEE the soul being saved, or the spirit being born, or the Lords Spirit...
We trust the Lord IS faithful and true....the IF we do...He Shall do what He said.
While WE CAN see our same old flesh body...
We say....well, He ain't done yet....
But the thing IS....It IS already Spiritually Done. When the Lord speaks It is DONE, whether or not we can "carnally" see it.
Already converted?? It's done. You ARE a son of God. WE WAIT TO SEE. But it's already done spiritually. You are IN the Lamb's book of Life. Which IS, Because YOU have already been testified of IN Heaven. You are IN the record book, of WHO belongs to Christ and He shall be coming to redeem you body, AND THEN YOU WILL SEE YOUR God , AS HE IS, because you will BE "in His Likeness". Your name can NEVER be blotted out of the book of Life. The HS can NEVER depart from you.
We wait for the "official" ceremony..the marriage...but the fact is...according to God who is Spirit...those converted are already accounted...
....sons of God...
Gal 4:6
Gal 3:26
Rom 8:14
You are effectively, waiting to see, We all are..
But you are suppose to read what applies to a man ALREADY accomplished IN the Lord, and KNOW "spiritually", It's Done. And shall REMAIN for ever.
Men in the OT, waited to see...God said..wait, and watch and see if it doesn't come to pass.
Jesus in the NT, told men....I'm telling you ahead of time...(because He was going to be leaving the earth)...but telling them ahead of time so they would KNOW, when it DID come to pass....it was Because of Him.
Everthing in Scirpture does not apply to every single man.
IF you have accomplished becoming saved...born again....what applies to an unsaved...not born again man...does not apply to you.
We DO eagerly wait to "SEE" the marriage, the "adoption"....
We DO eagerly wait to "SEE" the Lord in the Air, being called up to Him, in our NEW bodies....
We DO eagerly wait to "SEE" the Lord as He is...
The Lord doesn't WAIT TO SEE or WONDER which ones He shall call up to Him.
He already KNOWS.
He KNEW before you were born carnally and spiritually.
Salvation yes, complete.
Born of Gods Seed yes, complete.
More one can do...absolutely.
And by the way, MORE a man Can do, IS NOT possible for him TO DO, without him being born again.
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Well, i'm not religious so I don't wknow what religious people do. I gues any work outside the blood of Christ.
How are people saved? What u need to do to get saved on the internet?
Great answer.
Works of the law are what people do to try to gain God's love.
They don't acknowledge Him in any way in their life other than to think they could do things for Him. God doesn't need us to do things if we don't believe in Him. He needs us to believe in Him, otherwise how do we get a new heart and mind?
AFTER we come to believe and trust in Him, we still do the same things as before, we could call them works, but now we do them for God and He "appreciates" them.
Ephesians 2:8-10
8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
The works in verse 9 are the works of the Law.
The works in verse 10 are the works under Jesus' blood, as you put it.
How are people saved? What u need to do to get saved on the internet?[/QUOTE]
I wonder if this is a real question. If so, the bible tells us how.
Check out:
John 3:16
Ephesians 2:1-5
Galatians 2:16
Acts 16:30-31
Acts 10:34-43 (fear of God is a deep respect for God)
To understand really well, you have to know what the word believe means in the Greek.
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We are saved by God's grace through the blood of Christ - PERIOD.
Nothing else saves us
How do we GET saved? By cooperating with that saving grace.
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He knew what decision that I would make.
He didn't choose FOR me.
I disagree, as Scripture does with your first comment in RED.
I agree with your second comment in RED.
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Sorry - but that is NOT what Scripture says when it speaks of this "Knowledge" of God and His Word.
The Greek ford for “knowledge” used in these passages is NOT the usual word (Oida). The word used is EPIGNOSIS, which means a full, experiential knowledge. Epignosis is what a born again believer has.
And ALL of the verses you have posted are taken OUT of the overall context of the Gospel message.
God's LOVE is unconditional because he loves ALL of his creation (John 3:16).
Salvation, however IS conditional on our cooperation with His grace (Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34, 1 Cor. 3:9, 2 Cor. 6:1).
He lives WITH us forever - IF we endure in faith (Matt. 24:13).
Our sins are forgiven IF we repent - and not automatically.
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and that's where it gets messy. belief is not enough for them too many trying to use religin to save themselves, we need to cooperate to keep us saved. i think thats false Matt 15:8, Rev 19:20
it sounds like you have the knowledge of the gospel Rom 1:28, but where is your heart ok, but cooperating is doing works adding to the blood of Christ, cooperating to keep yourself saved,
depraved mind of religion, belief is enough you should try it
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WRONG.
Cooperating is enduring in faith. You cannot hope to remain saved if you stop cooperating with God's grace.
Faith = Belief + Works.
We do works in Christ because we love Him, not to keep ourselves saved. God bless
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You're not listening.
It's NOT just about works. It's about enduring faith.
Works are an essential ingredient of faith - but alone, they are not faith.
Let me put it this way OBEDIENCE is enduring faith. Unless we remain obedient, we cannot hope to gain salvation.
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I don't think so.
You're saying we have to remain perfect to get saved when we were never perfect to begin with.
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