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How can you deny what the Word says in Psalm 19?
If you will notice, these verses do not abolish the letter of the law. They simply extend the boundaries of it. If you lust after a woman in your heart, you commit adultery, but if you continue on and act on your lust by physically committing adultery, then you have broken the letter.
I not only endeavor to honor the physical boundaries of "Thou shall not commit adultery", but also the spiritual boundaries through the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit in me.
Your grammar is confusing in this last sentence. Are you saying I am not a child of Abraham?
You took the verse out of context. More precisely;
Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
I don't teach salvation by works, nor do I lay that burden on others.
Verse 3 has nothing to do with eating unclean meat and verses 5-6 have nothing to do with the Sabbath or Feast Days which you are reading into the text. The Jews esteemed certain days as fast days; they esteemed Purim and Hanukkah which YHWH never commanded, etc.
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God hath made that same Jesus whom ye have crucified, both LORD AND CHRIST... THIS Jesus hath God RAISED UP THEREFORE BEING BY THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD EXALTED."
Jesus "the Son of Man" "COME IN THE FLESH" FROM DEATH'S GRAVE "is Lord of the Sabbath" IN TIME and eternity.
Jesus "the Son of Man" "COME IN THE FLESH" FROM DEATH'S GRAVE "is Lord of the Sabbath" IN TIME and eternity.
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I know it is. It comes down to Greek grammar. Here is a link to an article that clearly explains the issue.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Yeshua Messiah our Lord.
Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
Please explain your point about "Elohim". Did you not translate it as one word, "God"?
The "weak and beggarly elements" are pagan days that the Gentile converts wanted to return to AGAIN. They certainly could not be "desiring again" to return to Feast keeping since they never were Feast keepers in the first place.
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The above verse does NOT say man has a choice rather, it merely defines eternal life is a gift. My sentiments exactly. Man is sold to sin and desperately wicked, hence who will seek God? (Romans 3). NONE!
Just as you have misunderstood Matthew 28, again you are misunderstanding the Hebrew word “Elohim.” You will never find me addressing the one true God as Elohim. In the Hebrew, the word Elohim is a plural word.
We could render therefore Genesis 1:1 this way:
“In the beginning, the Gods created the heaven and the earth.”
This is rightly so because there are three distinct persons in the Godhead.
Yes, '~"weak and beggarly elements" are pagan days that the Gentile converts wanted to return to AGAIN.~'
But all depends on who ~they~ were when you say '~They~', '~certainly could not be "desiring again" to return to Feast keeping since they never were Feast keepers in the first place.~'
Whether '~they~' who were '~"desiring again" to return to Feast keeping~' since they before, '~in the first place~', were in fact '~feast keepers~' and in fact "superstitiously made observation of" IN FACT, "days, months, seasons, years" were pagans or Jews, it makes no difference. It was the exact same thing(s) Israel at God's command "studied and proclaimed and kept by observation ... TO ITS SEASON", but the former pagans, "superstitiously studied and proclaimed and kept by observation" as object of their WORSHIP. "BUT NOW", if Jew or Gentile "AGAIN DESIRED TO OBSERVE days, months, seasons, years", he, Jew or Gentile, would do so sinfully and "SUPERSTITIOUSLY" ['paratehreoh'].
It is the in nature and practice very SAME thing(s) which "NOW" that Christ had come and had cancelled and abolished it ALL through HIMSELF having fulfilled and had made it ALL totally OBSOLETE, which, if, ANYONE "again" kept or keeps, he "superstitiously" IN DENIAL OF CHRIST must do so whether he is 1st century or 21st century Israelite or heathen Christian.
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You took that verse out of the context of my post. I quoted Acts 13:46 along with it.
Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
The Jews would not accept the gift. They put it from them. They turned away everlasting life by rejecting the Word of God (in this case the Gospel).
So, the Holy Spirit can refer to the one true God as "Elohim" throughout the Hebrew OT, but you refuse to???
This is utter foolishness. The Scriptures teach monotheism, not your polytheism. "Elohim" is a plural word, but not always. When used of the one true God, it is the plural of majesty, not of number. Elohim is used in the Bible with a plural sense when it refers to several deities, but also in a singular sense when it refers to a singular deity. Its plural sense can be seen in Exodus 12:12, "For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods (elohim) of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am YHWH." Its singular sense can be seen in 1 Samuel 5:7, ". . . and upon Dagon our god (elohim)" and 2 Kings 1:2, ". . . Go, enquire of Baal-zebub the god (elohim) of Ekron whether I shall recover of this disease." Are we to believe that Dagon and Baal-zebub are also triune persons in a holy trinity or multiple godhead? And you talk about me not understanding Hebrew??
The Feast days are not cancelled or abolished, neither did Messiah fulfill them all yet. Paul knew this full well which is why he wrote Colossians 2:16-17 many years after Yeshua ascended to heaven and referred to the fulfillment as being in his future.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the Body of Messiah.
He did not say they "were a shadow of things that were."Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the Body of Messiah.
Tell me, GE, what is the reality of the shadow of Yom Teruah? When was the anti-typical Jubilee trumpet blown?
Colossians 2:12-19
12 While dead in your sins God who raised Christ from the dead forgave you all trespasses having quickened you together with Him. Nailing it to the cross and removing it altogether, Christ blotted out the damning law against us; and putting off and ruining the rulers and the authorities [of darkness 1:13], He publicly held them up to shame, triumphing over them in it. [If ye then be raised with Christ 3:1], THEN THEREFORE, don’t you let yourselves be judged and condemned by anyone (of the world 2:8, 20) in your eating and drinking or with regard to your eating and drinking of feast, whether of month’s or of Sabbaths’—all which shadows forth what soon must be, the BODY and SUBSTANCE OF CHRIST!
Let no man not holding to the Head [but] puffed up by his fleshly mind, who conceitedly meddles in what he knows nothing about (the mystery which is Christ 1:28), with his pretentious humility and angelic worship beguile you (with enticing words 2:4) of your reward.
Because holding to the Head nourishment being ministered, all the Body (of Christ’s Own 1:18) by joints and bands [of faith 2:12 Hosea 11:4; peace Ephesians 4:3; and charity Colossians 3:14], and knit together (in love 2:2), will grow with the growth of God.
"Don't you let yourselves be judged by anyone in regard to your eating and drinking of Christ the Substance of Sabbaths' Feast either Lord's Supper of month's or (weekly) Sabbaths' Feast, which are but the shadow of what imminently must come for you holding to the Head, the Body growing with the growth of God Christ being the Nourishment ministered."
Since having resurrected from the dead "on the Sabbath in fullness of day", "Jesus having entered into his Own Rest as God in his own, He gave them Rest, so that THEREFORE A KEEPING OF SABBATH REST DAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD REMAINS."
"RAISING CHRIST FROM THE DEAD, GOD ... rested Him up again His Heavenly The Most Holy Place ... CHRIST THE ALL in all fulfilling FULLNESS OF GOD."
The feast days are cancelled, abolished, having been fulfilled by the Messiah OR HE WOULD BE THE EMPTINESS OF AN IDOL AND NOT THE ALL IN ALL (THE SCRIPTURES) FULFILLING FULLNESS OF GOD. Paul knew this full well which is why he wrote Colossians 2:16-17 not many years after Jesus ascended to heaven and referred to the fulfilment as being "imminent" in his own day for and in "THE BODY OF CHRIST'S OWN" THE CHURCH. In Jesus "ALL is fulfilled FULLNESS" already.
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Again I ask you, where do you get these strange translations from? That is NOT what the Greek says. Not only can you not translate the Greek "krino" as "judge" and "condemn" in the same sentence since it only appears once in that verse, but the Greek "soma" cannot be translated "body" and "substance" in the same sentence since it is only found once in that verse. "Soma" refers to the "body". The "Body of Christ/Messiah" refers to the church, not to the "substance" of Feast days. Paul was contrasting the people of the world (as you noted) with the believers in the Body. No man outside the Body (those of the world) is permitted to judge us as to how we keep Sabbaths and Feasts. Only the Body of Messiah (the church) can do that. Notice Colossians 1:18 & 24 and Colossians 2:19, all of which teach us that the Body (soma) of Messiah is the church or all true believers.
Also, "cheirographon" does not mean "the damning law", but the certificate of debt to sin.
If the fulfillment of the Feast Days was "imminent" in Paul's day, that means they weren't fulfilled yet, but were going to be. So what was their fulfillment if it didn't happen at the cross? BTW, what word in the Greek text can be translated "imminent"?
You did not answer my questions about how Yeshua fulfilled Yom Teruah and the Jubilee.
Also, has Yeshua fulfilled the kingly messianic prophecies or only the suffering servant prophecies? Only the latter. Does that then mean he is "THE EMPTINESS OF AN IDOL AND NOT THE ALL IN ALL (THE SCRIPTURES) FULFILLING FULLNESS OF GOD"? Yeshua will fulfill the rest of prophecy and the remaining shadows in our future.
Mine is the literal, precise rendering and is what the Greek says and nothing than what the Greek says and the WHOLE of what the Greek says. The usual is the biased, incorrect interpretation, and strange, non-translation.
So to aver '~Not only can you not translate the Greek 'krino' as "judge" and "condemn" in the same sentence since it only appears once in that verse,~' is plain ridiculousness showing total linguistic ignorance in Greek or English regardless. "Judge" and "condemn" are both meanings of 'krinoh' as both "body" and "substance" are primary meanings of 'sohma'.
And who says I say the "Body of Christ" does not refer to the Church but '~to the "substance" of Feast days~'? But "Christ being The Substance" of the Church's "eating and drinking of Feast" means Christ indeed is, the Substance of Feast, "the NOURISHMENT ministered" to the Body the Church at "Sabbaths' Feast", whereby the Body the Church "grows with the growth of God". Which you must have read I translated 100% correctly but conveniently and on purpose do ignore.
Don't twist the Scripture; you only water it down; '~the certificate of debt to sin "cheirographon"~', cannot mean anything but, "the damning law".
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