http://www.versebyverseministry.org/...still_be_saved
While doing a random search, I stumbled across the above link. The link says: (in blue) (my emp)
Having said that, our actions as Christians do have consequences, both here and in eternity in heaven. As the examples above attest, God requires that we discipline those in the church who continue in a life of sin. Matthew 18:15-20 gives clear instructions as to how sinning believers are to be handled. Ultimately, if they refuse to stop sinning, we are to put them out of the church. This is for the destruction of their flesh, not that they would lose their salvation (see 1 Cor. 5:1-5), with the ultimate goal of restoring them to fellowship (as Jesus did with Peter). Sadly, this is rarely done in today’s church.
The Lord makes clear that He will discipline those He loves. Therefore, if we continue in sin, we can expect to be put out of fellowship with the church, as well as God’s chastisement. Hebrews 12:4-7 makes this clear...
We also face consequences in heaven in eternity for what we do here on earth as believers. Again, our salvation is not in question, but the level of rewards we will receive in heaven depend on how we serve God while on earth. This is made most clear in 1 Corinthians 3:9-17.
According to the author of this link, the Christian that continues to sin cannot be lost, his "salvation is not in question" and "not that they would lose salvation" but that Christian would simply lose rewards or receive a lower level of rewards in heaven and cites 1 Cor 3:9-17 as "proof text".
Another site says: (in blue) (my emp)
http://www.keepbelieving.com/sermon/...-my-salvation/
Other passages often mentioned touch on the issue of a true believer losing his eternal rewards in heaven through unfaithfulness as a Christian. First Corinthians 3:15 speaks of “escaping through the flames” (not a reference to hell but to the blazing gaze of Jesus) and 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 speaks of Paul’s buffeting of his own body lest he should become “disqualified"-that is, should he be removed from his ministry and lose God’s blessing through sin. Second John 8 & 1 John 2:28 also refer to the same possibility. Again, none of these warnings deal with losing your eternal salvation, but rather with the real possibility of losing your eternal rewards in heaven.
A Christian can become unfaithful or become a reprobate as Paul said about himself yet he would just lose rewards not salvation.
Yet other sites as this one below say: (in blue) (my emp)
http://www.spurgeonheritage.org/pers...of-the-saints/
Those who “fall away” by apostasy were never saved to begin with. Had they been true Christians, they would have persevered and been preserved (1 John 2:19). This Fifth Point of Calvinism, then, teaches both the preservation and perseverance of the saints by the sovereign grace and power of God.
This site says the Christian who falls away was "never saved to begin with" and cites 1 Jn 2:19 as 'proof text'.
Question to those that hold to the man-made doctrine of OSAS-Eternal Security-Perseverance of the Saints:
If one who is a professed Christian for many years but later turns to live and die in sin, as adultery, then:
(1) is his "salvation is not in question" but he will just "lose eternal rewards in heaven" and still be saved since salvation cannot be possibly lost per 1 Cor 3:9-17?
or
(2) his sinning was "never really saved to begin" with per 1 Jn 2:19?
(Please answer (1) or (2) since both cannot be true at the same time.)
While doing a random search, I stumbled across the above link. The link says: (in blue) (my emp)
Having said that, our actions as Christians do have consequences, both here and in eternity in heaven. As the examples above attest, God requires that we discipline those in the church who continue in a life of sin. Matthew 18:15-20 gives clear instructions as to how sinning believers are to be handled. Ultimately, if they refuse to stop sinning, we are to put them out of the church. This is for the destruction of their flesh, not that they would lose their salvation (see 1 Cor. 5:1-5), with the ultimate goal of restoring them to fellowship (as Jesus did with Peter). Sadly, this is rarely done in today’s church.
The Lord makes clear that He will discipline those He loves. Therefore, if we continue in sin, we can expect to be put out of fellowship with the church, as well as God’s chastisement. Hebrews 12:4-7 makes this clear...
We also face consequences in heaven in eternity for what we do here on earth as believers. Again, our salvation is not in question, but the level of rewards we will receive in heaven depend on how we serve God while on earth. This is made most clear in 1 Corinthians 3:9-17.
According to the author of this link, the Christian that continues to sin cannot be lost, his "salvation is not in question" and "not that they would lose salvation" but that Christian would simply lose rewards or receive a lower level of rewards in heaven and cites 1 Cor 3:9-17 as "proof text".
Another site says: (in blue) (my emp)
http://www.keepbelieving.com/sermon/...-my-salvation/
Other passages often mentioned touch on the issue of a true believer losing his eternal rewards in heaven through unfaithfulness as a Christian. First Corinthians 3:15 speaks of “escaping through the flames” (not a reference to hell but to the blazing gaze of Jesus) and 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 speaks of Paul’s buffeting of his own body lest he should become “disqualified"-that is, should he be removed from his ministry and lose God’s blessing through sin. Second John 8 & 1 John 2:28 also refer to the same possibility. Again, none of these warnings deal with losing your eternal salvation, but rather with the real possibility of losing your eternal rewards in heaven.
A Christian can become unfaithful or become a reprobate as Paul said about himself yet he would just lose rewards not salvation.
Yet other sites as this one below say: (in blue) (my emp)
http://www.spurgeonheritage.org/pers...of-the-saints/
Those who “fall away” by apostasy were never saved to begin with. Had they been true Christians, they would have persevered and been preserved (1 John 2:19). This Fifth Point of Calvinism, then, teaches both the preservation and perseverance of the saints by the sovereign grace and power of God.
This site says the Christian who falls away was "never saved to begin with" and cites 1 Jn 2:19 as 'proof text'.
Question to those that hold to the man-made doctrine of OSAS-Eternal Security-Perseverance of the Saints:
If one who is a professed Christian for many years but later turns to live and die in sin, as adultery, then:
(1) is his "salvation is not in question" but he will just "lose eternal rewards in heaven" and still be saved since salvation cannot be possibly lost per 1 Cor 3:9-17?
or
(2) his sinning was "never really saved to begin" with per 1 Jn 2:19?
(Please answer (1) or (2) since both cannot be true at the same time.)
