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Pildit

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Whoever told you God hates you,it's not true. Then He hates me as well and all of us. God so loved the world,which includes people. He might not like what we do many times,but He loves us,you... and even me. He tells about His love towards you in His Book,Bible. He might also tell you that He loves you through HIS HOLY SPIRIT which dwells in Christians,who have accepted Jesus into their lives. So actually it's Him telling you through other people,but it's HIM. God does not just love us He likes us. Your mates who are not christians ,might also say they love you,which is great, but only God's got agape love. People don't, we as humans fail in that, why- because we are not perfect as God is.
Fair enough but like I said and no offense meant by this, but when you feel nothing and see no proof, this "God Loves You" thing starts to be like "Hey my friend has a crush on you". Not that I'm suggesting they are on the same scale, however the point I'm making is if you love someone, you really do - you tell them and you show them.My friends who aren't Christians do, My friends who are Christians do it makes no difference whether they are Christian or not. I cannot tell you that I'm convinced that humans are not capable of a really amazing kind of love but to put any measurement to the claim that it's nothing in comparison to the love of God, one must experience both.
 

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Pildit's response to my saying God loves him was why didn't God tell him himself. The unspoken assumption is that if God did exist He MUST declare His Love to Pildit. Not only that, but probably in terms Pildit would accept.
The unspoken assumption is that you've got to prove god exists before you can accept that God loves.I also noticed you didn't reply to me, instead, you put words into her mouth. That's not very sportsmanlike.
 

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Excuse me, but Pildit can speak for herself.Demand isn't a word I would use. ASK is the word I would use.And again King and Queens are far different from God. God can reach beyond boundries of a human being, therefore, yes we can ask more of him. That's not to say one has to be nasty about it and say "show yourself to me NOW!".And my point about love is this - a King or Queen in my experience does not claim to love each indiviual personally, therefore of course would not tell them so.Also belief does come into it, because either first I need to be convinced he exists in order for me to believe that he loves me or he personally tells me in some unmistakable way that he loves me, this proving both his existence and his love for me.
LOL Pildit,Only the person that interjects themselves into a conversation and attempts to change the subject is committing an offense. Was merely trying to assist someone that did not appear to me to be following us or at least me. That you both took offense is rather funny.So you are saying if someone told you that the King loves you (and lacking information otherwise we would have to assume you felt you were a subject to the King), you would expect the King to respond to your directly asking him whether or not he loved you?To save time, will assume the answer is yes. To which we can only reply that either one cannot imagine being subject to a King or else there is an arrogance and over assuming superiority here that we just can understand or see a basis for. Or perhaps you are royality and have just not explained that you would just assume a King would even grant you audience, let alone answer your question. If that is your true status, please accept my apologies your majesty.
 

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You always manage to make me laugh, Thunder 1. Too cute!! Yes, He does always know what's going on even when we don't. So, even though Remegoen and Pildit didn't respond to me (they could be too busy like I was last week; I'll give them the benefit of the doubt) I will trust that the Holy Spirit is planting in them a seed of belief in Him. Their words say they don't believe, but in my heart, I will not give up on them. God is faithful. He is merciful. He is just. I just know, somehow, they will see Him for Who He really is- totally deserving of all honor and praise.
My apologises, I didn't see your post yesterday. Thank you for not giving up on me or us for that matter. Please see my response to your earlier post below.(His By Grace;40695)
Well, good morning to all. I haven't been on the computer all week due to busyness of life. Apparently, this thread struck a nerve with some people. First of all, I'd like to say that I am surprised that what I said was so offensive. But, I have a hard time seeing into your minds and believing that you don't believe since the Bible says that God reveals Himself to EVERY MAN. Since I believe what God's Word says completely, I don't mind being taken as foolish, unwise, unintelligent.
I understand that it maybe difficult for you to understand, but understand this: If you want to help someone, you have to accept their problem first.Although many unbelievers may say you're unwise or unintelliegent - I'm not one of them, although I cannot claim to understand why you believe in something with no proof (that I'm aware of or can see).
People thought so of Jesus too. They wagged their heads at Him, spat on Him, accused Him of not being who He said He was, and He was in complete control the whole time, never ceasing to love them. I am trying to love you too. I am praying that my words will plant seeds for Him. I don't wish to bring harm or hurt to you, so please don't let my words do that.
That's fine, but like I said what doesn't make sense to me I speak up about. Not in anger but in an attempt to understand, if you don't make someone aware you don't understand, then people don't know, therefore they won't try to help.
If you truly don't believe, then I apologize to you for assuming that.
Thank you for apologising.
I am basing it on what God says, which is a greater authority. Also, as far as reading into one another's thoughts, I think that was going both ways as I was accused of being prideful, but I didn't mean it like that. I was accused of conjuring up an emotional state to worship and the same goes for me as goes for you , right? Isn't that fair?
Yes of course but my statement on Pride was more to make you see that pride is not a bad thing, from what you said in the first post you are proud of what you said and proud of your religion. That's not necessaily a bad thing.
I honestly believe and know that there is a God and I am worshipping Him with my whole being. I see the difference He makes in my life. I couldn't make it without Him. He gives my life fullness and causes me to see the joy in being able to sit back and see His creation and creatures with the beauty He put inside them. Take for instance the children and elderly and their innocence. Who would want to take time to visit with them and teach them about the Lord and see the twinkle in their eyes as they accept by faith the promises of the Lord? Some do, but many more find it a bother. I say to you that it makes my life so rich. Money cannot buy that!
I wouldn't disagree - only perhaps about the religious part of course, but giving some joy to others indeed makes life richer.
You can argue about any of the things you want, but they do not affect me.
Glad to hear it, it's not meant to have a negative effect on you but that doesn't stop me wanting answers.
I know where I stand and I know Who saved me when I didn't deserve it.
That's great but you know, I didn't deserve some things I got too (good things I mean). And thats not to say I'm not greatful.
My debates would be with scriptures, and you probably won't buy it if you aren't open to it.
I'm happy to debate scriptures with you, but its entirely up to you if you want to do that. All I ask is you don't bombard me all in one post with a million quotes.
Again, forgive me if I insulted you. My love and desire to see people saved causes me to want to reach out to you. If I don't say the right things, I pray the Holy Spirit will. He is faithful and true.
Again, thank you for apologising. I forgive you.
 

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The unspoken assumption is that you've got to prove god exists before you can accept that God loves.I also noticed you didn't reply to me, instead, you put words into her mouth. That's not very sportsmanlike.
Did not reply directly to you as it did not appear you had followed the dialogue up to that point and was giving you the benefit of a summary while assuming you were not being rude. Now am no longer sure what your point was. Thanks for your helpful comments, I guess.
 

Remagoen

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Did not reply directly to you as it did not appear you had followed the dialogue up to that point and was giving you the benefit of a summary while assuming you were not being rude. Now am no longer sure what your point was. Thanks for your helpful comments, I guess.
Rule number one: Don't assume things.My point, which was rather clear to begin with, is that in order to believe God loves me, I must first understand he actually exists. It'll be fine and dandy if you tell me that the King loves me when I know he's a real person, but it's another story when there are doubts about the veracity of the King being real.
 

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LOL Pildit,Only the person that interjects themselves into a conversation and attempts to change the subject is committing an offense. Was merely trying to assist someone that did not appear to me to be following us or at least me. That you both took offense is rather funny.So you are saying if someone told you that the King loves you (and lacking information otherwise we would have to assume you felt you were a subject to the King), you would expect the King to respond to your directly asking him whether or not he loved you?To save time, will assume the answer is yes. To which we can only reply that either one cannot imagine being subject to a King or else there is an arrogance and over assuming superiority here that we just can understand or see a basis for. Or perhaps you are royality and have just not explained that you would just assume a King would even grant you audience, let alone answer your question. If that is your true status, please accept my apologies your majesty.
I took offense because you used the word "demand" which I did NOT use and that's putting words into my mouth and making it sound like I'm being very uptight about this. When infact over the past few weeks, I've prayed and ASKED God to reveal himself.And yes if someone loves me, I would ask to be personally told. Infact many people here have told me that they know he loves them, he's shown it, told it to them or both.As for assuming the reasons for my response and suggesting that I think myself superior is ignorance in itself. Instead of hearing my answer you assummed and insulted me nonetheless. I don't think I'm superior in any way, however if others are getting told and shown and this is the way they "found God" then it is a possible way for me to do so as well.Last note: If you continue with posts of that nature. I won't be responding to you again.
 

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Pildit and Remagoen,I Apologize. Back from Mass now, so maybe my attitude will be better.The point was not whether or not the King exists. If one can imagine a King in one's mind, and we are not speaking of Burger King, but a real king in one's mind, then the notion that such a Being would owe any explanation to the subject for anything should be sufficiently clear as an illogical notion. The imagined subjects could revolt, but that is another matter. The dignity of the office and the inequality of the status between monarch and subject make it impossible to suggest a King owes his subjects explanation. If he did, then he is not really a king (whether in our mind or real).You are both correct, the dignity owed a King even an imagined one, does not speak to his existence (or the existence of God). But then neither should the perception that God has not spoken to me or answered me be assumed to mean God does not exist. It could mean He has not answered me yet or the answer was not the one I wanted and I am just ignoring Him. My answer, if I should ever get one or hear the one given, would come in His time not mine.Who am I compared to God that I should demand a demonstration of His Power, or Love or suppose He owes me an answer to my prayers or gives me want I want. If it were true that God must demonstrate Himself to a degree that satisfies what I want at any moment, then how is that a concept of God. Wouldn't that make me God? Or at least put me on a level if not higher than such an idea of God?If Jim Carey were that image of God in my mind, then everyone would win the lottery? But just like in the movie, though I truly would like to get that Jackpot, the resulting win by everybody would not even return me the price of the ticket. My whole point was just that it seemed to me, the attitude being expressed here was that "God has to" in order for me to . And that is not the proper attitude we should take towards God, whether we believe in Him or consider our attitude towards an imaginary God in our minds. In our minds only, if we are able to conceive of the created treating the Creator in that manner, then I think our picture of what a God is, what a Creator is, is off.Don't get me wrong. As Christians, believers in God, if we are honest believing does not stop us from feeling that way, and certainly most of us have "bargained" with God or not lived long enough yet. We even see people doing just that in the Bible. It makes us human. But it does not make the attitude towards God, (even an imaginary one) correct. And with reason, one should be able to see that whether you believe in God or not.
 

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Pildit and Remagoen,I Apologize. Back from Mass now, so maybe my attitude will be better.
Thank you for apologizing.
The point was not whether or not the King exists. If one can imagine a King in one's mind, and we are not speaking of Burger King, but a real king in one's mind, then the notion that such a Being would owe any explanation to the subject for anything should be sufficiently clear as an illogical notion. The imagined subjects could revolt, but that is another matter. The dignity of the office and the inequality of the status between monarch and subject make it impossible to suggest a King owes his subjects explanation. If he did, then he is not really a king (whether in our mind or real).
I get your point, but I'll address it below.
You are both correct, the dignity owed a King even an imagined one, does not speak to his existence (or the existence of God). But then neither should the perception that God has not spoken to me or answered me be assumed to mean God does not exist. It could mean He has not answered me yet or the answer was not the one I wanted and I am just ignoring Him. My answer, if I should ever get one or hear the one given, would come in His time not mine.
This maybe where you miss understood. I'm not saying that he hasn't spoken to me because he definately doesn't exist. He could for all I know and I'm open to that, but want proof of it.I also appreciate that he may have answered in a way I didn't see or that it would be in his time - however I was always taught that God knows us all individually, and therefore he should know what I need to believe. I appreciate that maybe that is something I haven't specfically thought of because I'm not tying this down to something specfic here but it does have to be undeniably and unmistakably God. Being God, he also knows there's only so long I'll wait for an answer. Don't get me wrong, I will probably always be open to the idea of God and if he wishes to reveal himself, that's fine but I won't always be searching like I am now.
Who am I compared to God that I should demand a demonstration of His Power, or Love or suppose He owes me an answer to my prayers or gives me want I want. If it were true that God must demonstrate Himself to a degree that satisfies what I want at any moment, then how is that a concept of God. Wouldn't that make me God? Or at least put me on a level if not higher than such an idea of God?
What I was always taught/thought (when I was a Christian) is that we aren't on the same level as God but we have a communication with God, which is on a plain level. Again, it's not about demand though. It's about asking and as I understood then, you shouldn't be afraid to ask.
My whole point was just that it seemed to me, the attitude being expressed here was that "God has to" in order for me to . And that is not the proper attitude we should take towards God, whether we believe in Him or consider our attitude towards an imaginary God in our minds. In our minds only, if we are able to conceive of the created treating the Creator in that manner, then I think our picture of what a God is, what a Creator is, is off.
In effect it is exactly that, but not so closed and not so demanding. More like:"God has to do something to let me know he's real, something that can't be otherwise explained so I know it's DEFINATELY him in order for me to believe".What that something is, is quite open. It's not a matter of "has to" as in "he must right now" but more of if I'm going to believe, I want it to be because I do, not because I fooled myself into believing something was God, when it wasn't.
 

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Pildit,you're correct - I misunderstood. Until you hear Him, know that He loves you.
Glad you finally understood me and thank you.
 

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Fair enough but like I said and no offense meant by this, but when you feel nothing and see no proof, this "God Loves You" thing starts to be like "Hey my friend has a crush on you". Not that I'm suggesting they are on the same scale, however the point I'm making is if you love someone, you really do - you tell them and you show them.My friends who aren't Christians do, My friends who are Christians do it makes no difference whether they are Christian or not. I cannot tell you that I'm convinced that humans are not capable of a really amazing kind of love but to put any measurement to the claim that it's nothing in comparison to the love of God, one must experience both.
Are you suffering a lot? Are you sick ? Have you gone really really hard times?
 

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Fair enough but like I said and no offense meant by this, but when you feel nothing and see no proof, this "God Loves You" thing starts to be like "Hey my friend has a crush on you". Not that I'm suggesting they are on the same scale, however the point I'm making is if you love someone, you really do - you tell them and you show them.My friends who aren't Christians do, My friends who are Christians do it makes no difference whether they are Christian or not. I cannot tell you that I'm convinced that humans are not capable of a really amazing kind of love but to put any measurement to the claim that it's nothing in comparison to the love of God, one must experience both.
I used to be there many times,did not FEEL the love,we have to ALWAYS FEEL AND FEEL. GOD IS LOVE EVEN YOU FEEL IT OR NOT. THAT'S IN THE BIBLE, WHICH IS TRUTH. Devil likes to play with our feelings,emotions... he loves it when we trust our feelings more than God. Our mind can be devil's playground.
 

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Are you suffering a lot? Are you sick ? Have you gone really really hard times?
Remember that response you got when you asked me how I was feeling? How you said atheists are are depressed and happy as any other person? How I agree that there is no emotional difference between Atheists and other humans?If that is so, what does it matter if she is suffering, because Christians can too. Why does it matter if she's sick, because Christians can too. What does it matter if she is going through really, really hard times, because Christians can too...These are the exact reasons why I reacted so harshly to you in my other thread. It sounds as if you are borderline assuming that Atheism creates depression. And this has happened twice.(Thunder1;41090)
I used to be there many times,did not FEEL the love,we have to ALWAYS FEEL AND FEEL. GOD IS LOVE EVEN YOU FEEL IT OR NOT. THAT'S IN THE BIBLE, WHICH IS TRUTH. Devil likes to play with our feelings,emotions... he loves it when we trust our feelings more than God. Our mind can be devil's playground.
Okay. God is love, whether we feel it or not. Seeing how we don't feel it right now, how would you help us feel it?
 

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Okay. God is love, whether we feel it or not. Seeing how we don't feel it right now, how would you help us feel it?
after reading through this thread, why even bother to ask that question? and what do you care?...you've already stated you choose not to believe. we are as incapable to help you feel something as you are to try to convince us that there is no God, if that were to be your angle. So the question is rather boorish don't you think? (please note that I did not call you a boor)
 

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Are you suffering a lot? Are you sick ? Have you gone really really hard times?
As Remagoen suggested, I wonder why you ask this question?(Thunder1;41090)
I used to be there many times,did not FEEL the love,we have to ALWAYS FEEL AND FEEL. GOD IS LOVE EVEN YOU FEEL IT OR NOT. THAT'S IN THE BIBLE, WHICH IS TRUTH. Devil likes to play with our feelings,emotions... he loves it when we trust our feelings more than God. Our mind can be devil's playground.
Again as Remogoen said I don't feel it. How do I feel it? How would you help us feel it?(Jackie D;41183)
after reading through this thread, why even bother to ask that question? and what do you care?...you've already stated you choose not to believe. we are as incapable to help you feel something as you are to try to convince us that there is no God, if that were to be your angle. So the question is rather boorish don't you think? (please note that I did not call you a boor)
Jackie, I've read your replies in the other thread. Honestly we are here to get help and/or advice, if we simple chose not believe and that was that, none of us would be here. If you don't want to help then fine, stop coming into these threads purely to poke a stick in saying "you don't believe anyway" and the like. Just don't say anything, if you think you can't help. Fine but others here are trying and we really appreciate their help.
 

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Jackie, I've read your replies in the other thread. Honestly we are here to get help and/or advice, if we simple chose not believe and that was that, none of us would be here. If you don't want to help then fine, stop coming into these threads purely to poke a stick in saying "you don't believe anyway" and the like. Just don't say anything, if you think you can't help. Fine but others here are trying and we really appreciate their help.
well I don't know about you, but the other guy who I was speaking to has shown more than a fair share of rude make to people who truly have been trying to help and I don't have to like it or keep my mouth shut just because I'm a Christian. And it is just as annoying to me to have this happening to people who are only trying to help, as you seem to find my comments likened to poking a stick. Sorry if you find my method of speaking to someone who has been rude and nasty to us, unsatisfactory. Just because I am a Christian does not mean I am some passive little no brained individual who isn't able to defend myself or others when they are clearly mistreated. So, if the truth is that people come here to us seeking help, then perhaps they should do it in a respectful manner and stop with their own stick poking and spiteful words.
 

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well I don't know about you, but the other guy who I was speaking to has shown more than a fair share of rude comments to make to people who truly have been trying to help. And it is just as annoying to me to have this happening to people who are only trying to help, as you seem to find my comments likened to poking a stick. Sorry if you find my method of speaking to someone who has been rude and nasty to us, unsatisfactory. Just because I am a Christian does not mean I am some passive little no brained individual who isn't able to defend myself or others when they are clearly mistreated. So, if the truth is that people come here to us seeking help, then perhaps they should do it in a respectful manner and stop with their own stick poking and spiteful words.
I hate to actually do this, but I feel I must. First, you have deemed it proper to judge me rude and nasty, when as a Christian, that is not your place. Second, is it just me or does anyone else find Jackie's apology hollow sounding? Third, mistreated? Funny, I seem to recall Amira and Kalixx welcoming conversations with me, along with Super Kal and a few others. Heck, even Stlizzy DEFENDED me in my other thread and asked that I stay. I think they are able to defend themselves; and on that note, I like how you seem to place yourself above them and make it sound like it is you who knows how to save other people from me.Let them speak for themselves, and stop putting words in their mouths. If they think I'm not worth talking to, let them ignore me themselves. I'm sure they have enough brains to do such.Fourth, I'm not stick poking, Jackie. The fact that I refused to converse with you in the other thread should prove that I am in opposition to conflict. Actually, seeing as how you like to follow me around and stir up hives, I'm pretty certain I will all but totally ignore you now wherever I see you. I ask politely to do the same, as it's clear you don't like me.Thank you, Jackie, for showing me arrogance. I'll be sure your actions and do my best to avoid that pitfall. I hope you have a splendid day. Good bye.
 

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well I don't know about you, but the other guy who I was speaking to has shown more than a fair share of rude comments to make to people who truly have been trying to help. And it is just as annoying to me to have this happening to people who are only trying to help, as you seem to find my comments likened to poking a stick. Sorry if you find my method of speaking to someone who has been rude and nasty to us, unsatisfactory. Just because I am a Christian does not mean I am some passive little no brained individual who isn't able to defend myself or others when they are clearly mistreated. So, if the truth is that people come here to us seeking help, then perhaps they should do it in a respectful manner and stop with their own stick poking and spiteful words.
I (and I've seen that Remagoen has) have the attitude that debate is fine and people get frustrated on both sides, because this is a difficult debate to have. However if some starts name calling or being nasty, I won't carry on communicating with them.I've been frustrated sure, as I'm sure many people have with me. Spiteful words, no. You jumping in to the middle of a discussion with something like "they obviously don't want to be helped" or "they don't believe anyway" or even throwing some insults our way is helping no-one. I'll say it again, if you want to help then fine do so. If not then don't say anything. If people feel they're being mistreated then they should tell us (and yes anyone else reading this I encourage you to do so, because that is NOT my intention at all), just like we tell them. If they feel the conversation is going no-where, they can't help or we aren't worth talking to for that matter, they don't have to.
 

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I and I've seen that Remagoen sort of attitude as me. Debate is fine and people get frustrated on both sides, because this is a difficult debate to have. However if some starts name calling or being nasty, I won't carry on communicating with them.I've been frustrated sure, as I'm sure many people have with me. Spiteful words, no. You jumping in to the middle of a discussion with something like "they obviously don't want to be helped" or "they don't believe anyway" or even throwing some insults our way is helping no-one. I'll say it again, if you want to help then fine do so. If not then don't say anything. If people feel they're being mistreated then they should tell us (and yes anyone else reading this I encourage you to do so, because that is NOT my intention at all), just like we tell them. If they feel the conversation is going no-where, they can't help or we aren't worth talking to for that matter, they don't have to.
Well you are on the right track to finding God, peacekeeping is one of the fruits of the Spirit of our Lord God Almighty. The rest are kindness, patience, long suffering, love, compassion etc...sounds like you have those too.
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One of the Lord's commandments are do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And since I am a lover of the Lord Jesus Christ, I'll refrain from speaking anymore angry words at the one who chooses to be rude to us and mistreat us when we ARE trying to help. But please keep in mind that we too are human beings who have feelings that doesn't change just because we are Christian and none of us have done anything to be mistreated. be blessed
 
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