why an alar?

DPMartin said:

there's no altar mentioned in Abel's act of offering. you have some secret info we aren't aware of? or is it because you thought it should be there, then it was there?

an altar wasn't mentioned in scripture until Noah made offerings after the flood.


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DPMartin said:

what? this brain fart?

"Thus Abel's place of his offering was an altar though not named at this time."

that, as usual, is an assumption on your part, where in the scriptures does it say where Abel offered was an altar? or there was an altar?

what is this, creative Christianity?

so no you didn't explain how you deduced out of thin air your claim that there is to be considered and altar in Abel's case.


Corn Ball Jone

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DPMartin said:

nope

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DPMartin said:

(KJV)
1Pe 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

catholic bible online:

1Pe 3:20 They refused to believe long ago, while God patiently waited to receive them, in Noah's time when the ark was being built. In it only a few, that is eight souls, were saved through water. 21 It is the baptism corresponding to this water which saves you now -- not the washing off of physical dirt but the pledge of a good conscience given to God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has entered heaven and is at God's right hand, with angels, ruling forces and powers subject to him.

so Peter speaks of the water of the flood in the sentence right before your quoted text, just what water, and as to what baptism is he speaking of? technically the saved of the flood didn't get wet, it was the rest that were submerged or got wet for cleansing, of the earth, but they didn't end up above the earth and above the waters, as Noah and his family did, did they?

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DPMartin said:

saved by in KJV so there's a discrepancy but still whether you want to use by or through. the eight were not technically made wet by the water nor were that made wet through the water they were above the water BOF not in it.

the baptism of water doesn't save you just as you want to argue otherwise. the Baptism that John the Baptist spoke of that Christ baptizes one with saves you, and you know that. and Peter also knows that, doesn't he?

Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

according to scripture baptism with water is unto repentance. and it is baptism with the Holy Spirit and fire is unto salvation and everlasting life. so "It is the baptism corresponding to this water which saves you now" or " The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us" is about baptism of Holy Spirit. baptism by water was practiced in Israel for centuries and was never thought to be salvation, only repentance. Peter speaks of being saved here not repentance.

what really sad is, I have to explain this, because you only seek to confuse the issue to win the argument without any regard for the truth of the matter.

by your postings it is obvious that your not here in the interest of the Lord or the truth.
and again why the altar?

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DPMartin said:

you are definitely a time waster.

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DPMartin said:

the subject here is, why an altar? and again by your admission earlier you have nothing on that, so why are you posting?

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DPMartin said:

did I? where? I thought it was an anti-Breadoflife insult, just because you're catholic doesn't mean you actually represent the church though it seems you think you do. I was raised catholic, and you are nothing like what the church would be pleased with at all. me? I don't care, but you do. again if I had the authority in the catholic church I'd throw your backside out on your ear. at best you and some of your friends here make sure everyone else doesn't want to consider just what the catholic church might have that would bring them closer to God, and you and your friends sure ain't it by a long shot.

again you seek only to grieve who ever you can about the fact that you think yourself important enough to represent the catholic church.

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