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Colossians 2:8
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Will worship: is 'will worship' prosperous for the Kingdom of God, or not? In Colossians 2 there is a clear warning of men that feed off religious deeds of a showing of flesh. A warning to not let men bring you back under bondage. The bondage of performing that which is 'glorying in the flesh'.

Colossians 2:19-23
[19] And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. [20] Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, [21] (Touch not; taste not; handle not; [22] Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? [23] Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

After the commandments and doctrines of men:Matthew 15:9 "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

It seems humility is what we want but then a little earlier in Colossians: 2:18 'voluntary humility' is spoken out against.

Colossians 2:18
[18] Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

"Signs of the flesh" in Colossians the continuation to the next chapter continues in that: Colossians 3:1-3 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. [2] Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. [3] For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

We are told to 'seek those things which are above' and to 'set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth', with this mind, a mind set on things above...fasting becomes not a show of man's will to 'will worship' his own deeds but the fast spoken of by the LORD in Isaiah 58:1 Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.

4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.

5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the Lord?

Notice; will you call this a 'acceptable day to the Lord'? A fast; 'A DAY' for 'A MAN' to afflict his soul? God gave man what man asked for 'A day' for 'a Man' to afflict his soul. And that man was the Son.

Now compare: Isaiah 61 to Isaiah 58. "Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the Lord?"

Isaiah 61:1-2 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

'thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.' ...He is.

Matthew12:18-20
18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. 19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. 20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
Trees of righteousness planted of the LORD: (Isaiah 58:12) 'they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places'. Trees of righteousness: consider Mark 8:24 when the blind man "And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking." ...it tells us something. I have heard so many times that 'even the Lord had to touch a mans eyes twice for him to see' in relation to our attempt and first failure. This was not a failure. It was intentional.

John 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour; but for this cause came I unto this hour.

John 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

Luke 4:18-21 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

'a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the Lord?'

I didn't plan to go there but it seems relevant to 'will worship':

Philippians 3:3
[3] For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Exodus 34:14
[14] For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord , whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

Luke 4:8
[8] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

John 4:24
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Acts 17:24-25
[24] God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; [25] Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

 
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Sorry, I'm no longer into trying to make the word of God sound more complicated than it has to be as I once was when I was told the KJV is the "Authorized" Bible.
 
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Sorry, I'm no longer into trying to make the word of God sound more complicated than it has to be as I once was when I was told the KJV is the "Authorized" Bible.

Willie T, understood. Blessings to you and your family.
 

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Willie T, understood. Blessings to you and your family.
Over the years, I've developed the rather unorthodox view that if we cannot read any selected verse, and then turn around and tell someone what it means in plain, everyday English.... then there is a good chance we never really understood what it actually meant in the first place as it may apply to our daily lives.
 
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Over the years, I've developed the rather unorthodox view that if we cannot read any selected verse, and then turn around and tell someone what it means in plain, everyday English.... then there is a good chance we never really understood what it actually meant in the first place as it may apply to our daily lives.

Are you saying don't pretend to know what a verse says and feed it to another wrapped in elegant wording to make it sound like wisdom, when you yourself have no idea what it means? It just sounds good.
 

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Willie T said:
Over the years, I've developed the rather unorthodox view that if we cannot read any selected verse, and then turn around and tell someone what it means in plain, everyday English.... then there is a good chance we never really understood what it actually meant in the first place as it may apply to our daily lives.
Are you saying don't pretend to know what a verse says and feed it to another wrapped in elegant wording to make it sound like wisdom, when you yourself have no idea what it means? It just sounds good.
No, I meant what I typed. Read the verse/verses in enough normally worded translations that we understand the original intent of the author....... so that we can talk to any teenager on the street corner about what was conveyed in the Scripture.
 
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No, I meant what I typed.

Ok. This morning God really touched my heart and filled me with hope and joy and peace. It is plain in Isaiah 58 that man loves to stand before God afflicting his own soul in a show of goodness. Like the Pharisees that stood before people painting their faces with long, drawn out 'poor pitiful us' expressions of how holy they were. Mankind loves to look good before other men(this includes women). what floored me this morning was to see God gave us exactly what we asked for when He afflicted the Son's soul on the cross and poured out His wrath on Him. It tears me up that scripture tells us Jesus didn't strive or cry; the Spirit upon Him to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. God gave the Son for us because we are all about 'afflicting our souls' when what God desires is to set free those in prison(captive). Now we don't have to be held captive, because it is finished. We no longer have to sit in ashes. He trades us ashes for beauty. And that is what I wanted to share. For me, now the 'to preach the acceptable year of the Lord' has deepened in meaning. Now it is fully understood 'to preach the acceptable year of the Lord' is to preach the affliction of the Son, so that man would be free from the affliction of man's soul. When Jesus Christ said, Today this scripture is fulfilled in your ears... He meant today IS the acceptable day of the Lord, which is the day of affliction upon the Son of God. It is that year.
 
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It tears me up that scripture tells us Jesus didn't strive or cry; the Spirit upon Him to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. God gave the Son for us because we are all about 'afflicting our souls' when what God desires is to set free those in prison(captive).

Well you've torn yourself up over something that is wrong.

Jesus put enormous effort into his ministery, we read of him crying over Jerusalem, because they were rejecting him and his message.
He often sourght solitude to be able to spend time in prayer and we also read of him being tiered and hungry.

Jesus's ministry on earth was not a sunday afternoon stroll.
 

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Well you've torn yourself up over something that is wrong.

Jesus put enormous effort into his ministery, we read of him crying over Jerusalem, because they were rejecting him and his message.
He often sourght solitude to be able to spend time in prayer and we also read of him being tiered and hungry.

Jesus's ministry on earth was not a sunday afternoon stroll.

You are a hundred percent right. Your post made me remember when Jesus shouted with a loud voice, saying, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

But I didn't say it. It is in the word. Is this Jesus Christ or not? Isaiah 42:1-4 [1] Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. [2] He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. [3] A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. [4] He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

Matthew 12:18-21
[18] Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. [19] He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. [20] A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. [21] And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

Also, do you deny that God gave man what man asked for which was 'an acceptable day to the Lord' 'a day for a man to afflict his soul'

Isaiah 58:2-5
[2] Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God. [3] Wherefore have we fasted, say they , and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours. [4] Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.


Is God not sayin: you will not fast this way to make your voice to be heard on high any more? was not 'an acceptable day to the Lord' finished in the Son?

[5] Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him ? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the Lord ?


There is a different cry:
Proverbs 1:20 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:

 
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Also, do you deny that God gave man what man asked for which was 'an acceptable day to the Lord' 'a day for a man to afflict his soul'
Do men ask for salvation ?

God in his mercy and grace has given as a time to seek him and to respond to him.
 

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You are a hundred percent right. Your post made me remember when Jesus shouted with a loud voice, saying, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

But I didn't say it. It is in the word. Is this Jesus Christ or not? Isaiah 42:1-4 [1] Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. [2] He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. [3] A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. [4] He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

Matthew 12:18-21
[18] Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. [19] He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. [20] A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. [21] And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

Also, do you deny that God gave man what man asked for which was 'an acceptable day to the Lord' 'a day for a man to afflict his soul'

Isaiah 58:2-5
[2] Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God. [3] Wherefore have we fasted, say they , and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours. [4] Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.


Is God not sayin: you will not fast this way to make your voice to be heard on high any more? was not 'an acceptable day to the Lord' finished in the Son?

[5] Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him ? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the Lord ?


There is a different cry:
Proverbs 1:20 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:

It is encouraging to see depth of insight and focus on what matters namely Jesus. As Paul says, he is the fullness of God revealed. Whew!!!
 
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