what makes a prophet?

Helen · May 10, 2018

Triumph1300 said:
Why don't you just say "Sorry it was wrong to judge somebody I don't know and don't have a clue about".
And go on with life.

Oh don't fret.
God is the vindicator...His gifts need no defence.

I like the pictures we have in the word where when Moses was accused of taking too much upon himself etc etc...he fell on his face, ( got out of the way) which left his accusers face to face with God.
And I always think of the wise words in -
Act's 5:38-39 "And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God."

Thanks and bless you.

Oh wait...just to add something else here, (as this thread is already a wee bit off topic..)
I once was very sick... and my daughter and I were visiting a friend, so in someone else's house!!
I could not stop rocking and vomiting...it started just as we went to bed....
It got to past midnight, she had already fallen asleep.
But I knew I was very sick indeed....so I shook her and woke her up ( she was about 19 this time) I asked her to pray for me.
It was one of my few "instant" healing's. I've had many healing's but not many instant! She lay a hand on my head and sleepily declared the work of the cross and healing power in the name of Jesus Christ.
Then she rolled over..done.
I very gently started to lay my head down in case I vomited again, I felt terrible..I heard the lord speak in my spirit saying..." If you really believe what she prayed then you are healed , go to sleep"

I kid you not..( you, @pia and @amadeus will believe this) ...the moment my head touched the pillow I was healed. ✟
I slept right through the night.

In the morning my daughter didn't even remember me waking her up , or praying for me.
Praise God for His awesome love for us.

The giftings of God are still "alive and well."

amadeus · May 10, 2018

"ByGrace" said:
Oh don't fret.
God is the vindicator...His gifts need no defence.

I like the pictures we have in the word where when Moses was accused of taking too much upon himself etc etc...he fell on his face, ( got out of the way) which left his accusers face to face with God.
And I always think of the wise words in -
Act's 5:38-39 "And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God."

Thanks and bless you.

Oh wait...just to add something else here, (as this thread is already a wee bit off topic..)
I once was very sick... and my daughter and I were visiting a friend, so in someone else's house!!
I could not stop rocking and vomiting...it started just as we went to bed....
It got to past midnight, she had already fallen asleep.
But I knew I was very sick indeed....so I shook her and woke her up ( she was about 19 this time) I asked her to pray for me.
It was one of my few "instant" healing's. I've had many healing's but not many instant! She lay a hand on my head and sleepily declared the work of the cross and healing power in the name of Jesus Christ.
Then she rolled over..done.
I very gently started to lay my head down in case I vomited again, I felt terrible..I heard the lord speak in my spirit saying..." If you really believe what she prayed then you are healed , go to sleep"

I kid you not..( you, @pia and @amadeus will believe this) ...the moment my head touched the pillow I was healed. ✟
I slept right through the night.
In the morning my daughter didn't even remember me waking her up , or praying for me.
Praise God for His awesome love for us.

The giftings of God are still "alive and well."

Give God the glory!

pia · May 10, 2018

"ByGrace" said:
The giftings of God are still "alive and well."

Oh how lovely to get up and read this today

........Wonderful testimony .......I'm thinking your lovely daughter wouldn't have had time to think or doubt at that moment hahaha ( not suggesting she does normally ). I love the way the Lord can help us and so quickly too, when we kind of just get out of the way lol....As He said to you about just believing, and you just doing that !....Fantastic

Josho · May 10, 2018

@DPMartin , you say God proves a true prophet, and there's nothing wrong with that statement, Jesus is involved in every born again true prophet, and is at the root of every true prophecy, he is the source, and there is no need for further proof if one is a true prophet, since Jesus is already involved.

But no offense, I feel you are coming into this topic religiously and legalistically and are missing the points that prophecy still happens, God can still use just about anyone, to give prophetic warnings, encouragement, instruction, building up or even cases of personal prophecies, etc, etc. and Jesus can use your kids, or your brothers or sisters, your friends, or he could even prophesy through you too, if you dropped the limitations. You shouldn't be putting limitations on God, He is a lot mightier than some psychic, our God Lord Jesus can do so much more than what Satan can do.

Hallelujah!!! To the mighty God Lord Jesus we serve.

DPMartin · May 11, 2018

Josho said:
@DPMartin , you say God proves a true prophet, and there's nothing wrong with that statement, Jesus is involved in every born again true prophet, and is at the root of every true prophecy, he is the source, and there is no need for further proof if one is a true prophet, since Jesus is already involved.

But no offense, I feel you are coming into this topic religiously and legalistically and are missing the points that prophecy still happens, God can still use just about anyone, to give prophetic warnings, encouragement, instruction, building up or even cases of personal prophecies, etc, etc. and Jesus can use your kids, or your brothers or sisters, your friends, or he could even prophesy through you too, if you dropped the limitations. You shouldn't be putting limitations on God, He is a lot mightier than some psychic, our God Lord Jesus can do so much more than what Satan can do.

Hallelujah!!! To the mighty God Lord Jesus we serve.

God makes donkeys speak to people and seas part for their passage, put what does that have to do with His messengers that He wants the recipient of the massage to trust that the message is of God. which is what we are talking about here isn't it?

the Lord God of Israel in the name of Jesus Christ does do that, when He expected the messenger to be trusted in His place. now you're telling me that's not necessary though scripture shows otherwise.

DPMartin · May 11, 2018

"ByGrace" said:
Oh don't fret.
God is the vindicator...His gifts need no defence.

I like the pictures we have in the word where when Moses was accused of taking too much upon himself etc etc...he fell on his face, ( got out of the way) which left his accusers face to face with God.
And I always think of the wise words in -
Act's 5:38-39 "And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God."

Thanks and bless you.

Oh wait...just to add something else here, (as this thread is already a wee bit off topic..)
I once was very sick... and my daughter and I were visiting a friend, so in someone else's house!!
I could not stop rocking and vomiting...it started just as we went to bed....
It got to past midnight, she had already fallen asleep.
But I knew I was very sick indeed....so I shook her and woke her up ( she was about 19 this time) I asked her to pray for me.
It was one of my few "instant" healing's. I've had many healing's but not many instant! She lay a hand on my head and sleepily declared the work of the cross and healing power in the name of Jesus Christ.
Then she rolled over..done.
I very gently started to lay my head down in case I vomited again, I felt terrible..I heard the lord speak in my spirit saying..." If you really believe what she prayed then you are healed , go to sleep"

I kid you not..( you, @pia and @amadeus will believe this) ...the moment my head touched the pillow I was healed. ✟
I slept right through the night.
In the morning my daughter didn't even remember me waking her up , or praying for me.
Praise God for His awesome love for us.

The giftings of God are still "alive and well."

many people within believing families do and experience this, how does that make anyone a prophet?

Stranger · May 11, 2018

DPMartin said:
God makes donkeys speak to people and seas part for their passage, put what does that have to do with His messengers that He wants the recipient of the massage to trust that the message is of God. which is what we are talking about here isn't it?

the Lord God of Israel in the name of Jesus Christ does do that, when He expected the messenger to be trusted in His place. now you're telling me that's not necessary though scripture shows otherwise.

Was Jesus Christ a Prophet or not?

If He was, and if the Church is the Body of Christ, indwelt by the Spirit of Christ, then within the Church are those who are prophets. The gifts of the Church represent the Person and ministries of Jesus Christ.

Stranger

DPMartin · May 11, 2018

Stranger said:
Was Jesus Christ a Prophet or not?

If He was, and if the Church is the Body of Christ, indwelt by the Spirit of Christ, then within the Church are those who are prophets. The gifts of the Church represent the Person and ministries of Jesus Christ.

Stranger

not: Jesus Christ is the Word of God that is of God, His revelation isn't prophecy, prophecy would be someone being entrusted with the Word of God by receiving the revelation of the Word of God (which would be Jesus Christ since He is the Word of God) to others as a prophet of God is.

a prophet receives revelation of the Word of God, and Jesus Christ the Son of God is the Word of God revealed in the flesh, or as John says, made flesh. a prophet tells others of the revelation and Jesus is what is revealed to the prophet in respect to the mission of telling others what the Lord told or showed the prophet.

this is most definitely the generation that's sees it's right to redefine everything it can think and do. to conform to their own image of it.

Stranger · May 11, 2018

DPMartin said:
not: Jesus Christ is the Word of God that is of God, His revelation isn't prophecy, prophecy would be someone being entrusted with the Word of God by receiving the revelation of the Word of God (which would be Jesus Christ since He is the Word of God) to others as a prophet of God is.

a prophet receives revelation of the Word of God, and Jesus Christ the Son of God is the Word of God revealed in the flesh, or as John says, made flesh. a prophet tells others of the revelation and Jesus is what is revealed to the prophet in respect to the mission of telling others what the Lord told or showed the prophet.

this is most definitely the generation that's sees it's right to redefine everything it can think and do. to conform to their own image of it.

(Deut. 18:15) "The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of they brethren, like uinto me; unto him ye shall hearken."

(John 1:21) "And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No."

(John 6:14) "Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world."

(Acts 3:22) "For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you."

(Acts 7:37) "This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear."

Think again.

Stranger

DPMartin · May 11, 2018

Stranger said:
(Deut. 18:15) "The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of they brethren, like uinto me; unto him ye shall hearken."

(John 1:21) "And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No."

(John 6:14) "Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world."

(Acts 3:22) "For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you."

(Acts 7:37) "This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear."

Think again.

Stranger

maybe you should read and think again in John 1:21 they were asking John the Baptist who was a prophet. don't read anything beyond your own definition of it? you really don't get much do you granger? did you google that or do an online text search and assumed as you always do?

He is like unto a prophet in that what a prophet should be like, yes like Moses therefore fulfilling of what a prophet ought to be according to the Father's satisfaction of what a prophet is, just as a what a child of Israel is or son of Abraham is according to the Father's satisfaction. but Jesus is the Son of God who is according to scripture.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

hence not a prophet, but like unto a prophet because He is the Word of God and prophets had a close relationship with the same therefore the same happens around them.

for example those of Christ do things that He does, the Prophets of God do the same as Jesus does or was going to do, for the same reasons. prophets did by the power of God but Jesus is the Son of God according to Jews then God's equal.

Joh_5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

prophets are not God's equal, nor begotten of God.

Stranger · May 11, 2018

DPMartin said:
maybe you should read and think again in John 1:21 they were asking John the Baptist who was a prophet. don't read anything beyond your own definition of it? you really don't get much do you granger? did you google that or do an online text search and assumed as you always do?

He is like unto a prophet in that what a prophet should be like, yes like Moses therefore fulfilling of what a prophet ought to be according to the Father's satisfaction of what a prophet is, just as a what a child of Israel is or son of Abraham is according to the Father's satisfaction. but Jesus is the Son of God who is according to scripture.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

hence not a prophet, but like unto a prophet because He is the Word of God and prophets had a close relationship with the same therefore the same happens around them.

for example those of Christ do things that He does, the Prophets of God do the same as Jesus does or was going to do, for the same reasons. prophets did by the power of God but Jesus is the Son of God according to Jews then God's equal.

Joh_5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

prophets are not God's equal, nor begotten of God.

No, they asked John if he was 'that' Prophet, or 'the' Prophet. You have now move into the arena of perverting the Scripture for the sake of your misguided belief.

The Scriptures are clear that Jesus Christ is that Prophet of (Deut. 18:15). Which means He is a Prophet. Which means the gift of prophecy exists among the believers in the Church. Which, makes you a liar.

I didn't need to google. I believe I remembered that as a kid in Sunday School.

Stranger

Triumph1300 · May 11, 2018

Stranger said:
I believe I remembered that as a kid in Sunday School.

I like it.

Josho · May 13, 2018

DPMartin said:
not: Jesus Christ is the Word of God that is of God, His revelation isn't prophecy, prophecy would be someone being entrusted with the Word of God by receiving the revelation of the Word of God (which would be Jesus Christ since He is the Word of God) to others as a prophet of God is.

a prophet receives revelation of the Word of God, and Jesus Christ the Son of God is the Word of God revealed in the flesh, or as John says, made flesh. a prophet tells others of the revelation and Jesus is what is revealed to the prophet in respect to the mission of telling others what the Lord told or showed the prophet.

this is most definitely the generation that's sees it's right to redefine everything it can think and do. to conform to their own image of it.

Oh dear................ I don't know how you could even say that.

Jesus is the True Prophet of all true prophets, He is the root of true prophecy, Ezekiel got prophecy straight from Jesus, Joel got prophecy straight from Jesus, John got prophecy straight from Jesus, even Jesus Himself prophesied while he walked the earth in human form, Rev 19:10 tells us the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy. In the book of Revelations you cannot wipe out prophecy from Revelations, because what John was shown by Jesus is what has and is going to happen, John was given massive prophetic Revelations of what has and is to come in the last days and the lead up to Jesus's second coming.

Even if an Angel of God popped up in your room and said "I have been sent by Jesus to tell you something and i want you to share this prophecy with someone," the Angel didn't come up with the prophecy, since an Angel is a messenger of God, still the root of the prophecy was straight from Jesus, the Angel is passing on the message from Jesus. If the Holy Ghost told you to share a prophecy, again it is straight from Jesus, since the Holy Spirit, is the Spirit of Jesus, and if the Spirit of Jesus speaks to you, it is from Jesus, so again we find the root of the prophecy straight from Jesus. If Smith Wigglesworth spoke a prophecy from Jesus and shared it with your grandpa, again the root of the prophecy is Jesus since Jesus prophesied through Smith Wigglesworth's mouth to your grandpa.

The point here is Jesus is all powerful, He is the strongest, He is the mightiest, He is the greatest, He is always right, He knows everything, He knows what happened in the past, He knows what will happen in the future, He knows everybody's condition both physical and spiritual.

If you don't think Jesus is the True Prophet source of true prophets, well you better think again, you better have a look at the Gospel again, and you will find there Jesus is the best Prophet, He is a 100% accurate prophet, He is the King of all Kings, who sent His Holy Spirit to live in every Born Again believer, and The Jesus who gave true prophets the gift of prophecy, there is only one God and His name is Jesus Christ.

Hallelujah!!!

OzSpen · May 13, 2018

Josho said:
I believe prophecy is for both New Testament and Old Testament ages, there are still prophets of Jesus today where God shows them an event and it happens.... The number of those kind of prophets may be few, but they are still around. You asked for the NT, well read the book of Revelation, that book is full of prophetic events that Jesus showed John.

Also there is Acts 2:17-18 - "And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and daughters shall prophesy; Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days."

Here's a question for you though...

If a psychic tried to predict an event by the power of darkness, how much greater do you reckon God can do through his Spirit in those who have the gift of prophecy or anyone of His people?

Now this may be going back to OT here, but remember Pharoah's Magicians vs God using Moses & Aaron?

The Magicians copied Moses and Aaron when they turned their staffs into snakes, and they could copy the 1st and 2nd plague by the powers of darkness as well, but they could not do the other 8, but God could do all 10 through Moses & Aaron and he defeated the magician's snakes, God did way better than Pharoah's magicians.

What does that tell you? How much better are we in Christ than those on the dark side? How much more powerful do you reckon God is?

I think you know the answer to that.

Anyway back to the NT,

Lets bring up Revelations 19:10, at the end of that verse we read "The Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy." Every born again Christian has the testimony of Jesus, and you could not disagree with that, now if we have the testimony of Jesus in us, that means we have the Spirit of prophecy, and because we got the Holy Spirit, Jesus can still prophesy through Christians, Jesus can still put words into man's mouth, he can still show the prophetic to man, it has never ceased.

Josho,

I don't have the time right now for a full reply as I'm back from a week's holiday with lots to do. I'm still unpacking from my house move.

Here are a few of my points to chew on:

I also consider the Bible teaches about OT and NT prophecy and that NT prophecy is alive and well today. Even though many people are alive and well today, there also are many who are alive and unwell. So, be aware that the false and truth can be mixed in some contemporary church expressions of prophecy. That's why the prophetic messages in a church gathering should be 'weighed carefully'.
Consider the content of 'Prophecy and Prediction'.
The nature of NT prophecy and the gift of a prophet are best explained in 1 Cor 12-14, especially ch 14. There you'll find that prophecy is preferred to tongues (unless there is interpretation) because of its intelligibility when the church gathers.
The purpose of NT prophecy is: 'the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort' (1 Cor 14:3 NIV);
'Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30 And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31 For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged (1 Cor 14:29-31 NIV, emphasis added).
But 1 Cor 12:29 asks: 'Are all prophets?' The Greek construction using the negative me instead of ou expects a 'no' answer. How does that verse synchronise with 1 Cor 14:31 and 'all prophesy'?
Is OT prophecy always predictive? What is the purpose of OT prophecy? See Jeremiah 35:15.
As for the 'The Testimony of Jesus' being 'the Spirit of Prophecy', is it really saying that ALL people who have Jesus living in them can prophesy? See 1 Cor 12:29 (NASB): 'All are not prophets, are they?'

Gotta go, on this coolish Brisbane morning. Here in the autumn sub-tropics it was down to 11C overnight but it has warmed to 20 at 9:52 am - with clear skies and lots of sun (not 4 seasons in a day like Melbourne).

Ozzie from Brissy in coldy, sniffly weather

Heart2Soul · May 14, 2018

DPMartin said:
everything you've just posted would prove you false according to what you've posted. hence according to your own judgement.

Scripture teaches that a prophet is subject to a prophet...
1 Corinthians 14:32
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. Meaning either that the doctrines which the prophets deliver, the explanations they give of passages of Scriptures, the revelations they declare, are subject to the examination, judgment, and censure of other prophets; who have a right to try and judge them, either according to a more clear revelation they may have, or rather according to the sure word of prophecy, the Scriptures of truth;
A prophet is a messenger of God used for the edification and perfecting of the saints; they are humble and obedient to what the Holy Spirit speaks to them and in no way should their message be one to put condemnation on a person or a whole body of members of the church.....sometimes they have to give a message of correction...sometimes a message of instruction/direction...and sometimes a message of encouragement....but whatever the message is it will be anointed if it is of God and it will be confirmed.
Isaiah 44:26 teaches that God will perform the word of his servants
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers,.... Who, as he confirmed the word of Isaiah and other prophets, and fulfilled their predictions concerning the captivity of the Jews, and their deliverance from it; so he has confirmed and established the word preached by his servants, the Gospel, which is the counsel of God, delivered out by his messengers, the apostles, and first preachers of it; it being attended with the demonstration of the spirit, and of power, to the conversion of sinners, and to the destruction of idolatry and Pagan worship. By the Lord's "servant" some understand Moses, as Jarchi; others Isaiah, as Kimchi and most interpreters; and why not Paul, as Cocceius? though the singular seems rather to be put for the plural, as the next clause explains it; and so the Arabic version renders it, "his servants"; to which the Targum agrees, paraphrasing it,

And prophets can get it wrong on occasion.....
Nathan flat out missed it

Indeed, even in Old Testament times, we see God's grace in prophetic ministry. I'm reminded of the time David was dwelling in his house meditating upon the Lord. God had given him rest from all his enemies. David was talking with the prophet Nathan—the same prophet who later would rebuke him for committing adultery with Bathsheba and setting up the murder of her husband, Uriah the Hittite (2 Sam. 12). David was dismayed because God was dwelling inside tent curtains while he lived in a house of cedar (2 Sam. 7:2).

That's when Nathan spoke these words from his anointed mouth: "Go, do all that is in your heart, for the Lord is with you" (2 Sam. 7:3). Although this wasn't a "thus saith the Lord" type of prophetic word, it was a word of approval from a trusted prophetic voice in David's life. David was looking for prophetic counsel about his plans to build a house for the Lord, seeking confirmation that it was in God's will. David seemed to receive that confirmation, but the Lord took steps to correct Nathan's pure-hearted mistake before the king got too far.

God sent Nathan back to David with a bona fide prophetic word that contradicted his friendly counsel to "do all that is in your heart, for the Lord is with you." The Lord did not want David to build him a house but rather committed to establishing David's throne forever (2 Sam. 7:4-17).

Bottom line is there are true prophets and false prophets and we must test the spirit to know if it is of God.

Josho · May 15, 2018

OzSpen said:
Josho,

I don't have the time right now for a full reply as I'm back from a week's holiday with lots to do. I'm still unpacking from my house move.

Here are a few of my points to chew on:

I also consider the Bible teaches about OT and NT prophecy and that NT prophecy is alive and well today. Even though many people are alive and well today, there also are many who are alive and unwell. So, be aware that the false and truth can be mixed in some contemporary church expressions of prophecy. That's why the prophetic messages in a church gathering should be 'weighed carefully'.

Consider the content of 'Prophecy and Prediction'.

The nature of NT prophecy and the gift of a prophet are best explained in 1 Cor 12-14, especially ch 14. There you'll find that prophecy is preferred to tongues (unless there is interpretation) because of its intelligibility when the church gathers.

The purpose of NT prophecy is: 'the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort' (1 Cor 14:3 NIV);

'Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30 And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31 For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged (1 Cor 14:29-31 NIV, emphasis added).

But 1 Cor 12:29 asks: 'Are all prophets?' The Greek construction using the negative me instead of ou expects a 'no' answer. How does that verse synchronise with 1 Cor 14:31 and 'all prophesy'?

Is OT prophecy always predictive? What is the purpose of OT prophecy? See Jeremiah 35:15.

As for the 'The Testimony of Jesus' being 'the Spirit of Prophecy', is it really saying that ALL people who have Jesus living in them can prophesy? See 1 Cor 12:29 (NASB): 'All are not prophets, are they?'

Gotta go, on this coolish Brisbane morning. Here in the autumn sub-tropics it was down to 11C overnight but it has warmed to 20 at 9:52 am - with clear skies and lots of sun (not 4 seasons in a day like Melbourne).

Ozzie from Brissy in coldy, sniffly weather

Ah wow that's quite a bit of a reply for a quick one, haha.

You are right about the mixture today in Churches, and we should not take every word, but we should not despise any prophecy, Christians slip up as you would know, in a world with so many voices, so many noises, an accurate prophet can be hard to find. I don't have a problem if Christians are searching, asking and seeking the Lord for the gift of prophecy. There are also other Christians that have been called to teach, so there will be written materials out there written by real prophets, that may assist people to understand, and that's not really a problem either, I'm sure there are a few Christians out there specifically instructed by God to write a book on prophecy, and other stuff too like healing, living by faith, books on the anointing of the Spirit, how to be Still His presence, the last days, etc. etc. etc. And i think you understand that. As Ephesians 4:11 says "some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists and some to be pastors and some to be teachers." Of course you are probably also aware some are more than one.

Anyway Prophecy, I believe prophecy is prophecy, it's a supernatural form of seeing or hearing about the future or something being revealed to you through the supernatural, and I believe prediction is different, prediction is just logic, the weather-man has done years of training, they know how to read weather charts and know how to predict where the weather patterns is going to hit, whether it's going to be hot or cold, rain or snow. A prophet, A true prophet, God just tells him, a prophet of Jesus doesn't need to read charts to tell him what's to come, God tells or shows him in whatever way that may be whether it be dream, vision, audible, in the heart, etc. and true prophecy maybe to warn others, encourage others, a call to prayer, etc, etc, but also it's a display of "Jesus's Knowing," and how great He is.

I don't know whether if this is your main concern or what. But what is a problem with some and it's definitely not good, is when you get luke warm Christians or anyone (but no Christian should be involved in this sort of stuff.) seeing what the psychic has to say or medium or whatever, that is consulting with the demonic, and is not good at all, it is dangerous for anybody to get involved in that stuff. But then there is the lesser stuff that creates such a mixture when it comes to prophecy in the Church today, the many voices, too many voices.. I can expand more on that part, but I will leave it for another day.

But we can both agree on Jesus, no matter how a Christian receives it, a prophecy from Jesus is great, in a way it's another display of God's power, and we should not underestimate His ability to prophesy whether it be through a prophet or an angel or direct from the Holy Spirit to you.

Don't be held back from past experiences with prophecy mate. Jesus loves you and He is all powerful. 11c ahhh that's a warm Winter's morning here, hahha.

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