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but first, Exodus
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Nah those without faith will be judged by there works, those who are in Christ have no works of there own to be judged by, because those without faith do there own works, its all the flesh, those who are in Christ do nothing without being told, bit like the Holy Spirit,
Joh_10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
Its by gace we are saved by , faith it is a gift from God, not by works that any man should boast, If you are working for that Gift it is no longer a gift but a reward, and that gives men reason to boast, look at what I did.
Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Cant agree with you, to so so would be to disagree with God, and I wont do that for anyman.
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then why would Christ and Paul both--at least--assure you otherwise, mjr?
all you have done is taken the ones you like, and you now ignore the ones that don't fit
no one said anything about working for a gift though, see
I dont have to I believe, but yes many do that, still working to please God as if any one could.
Heb_11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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but that is not what the Bible says, not at all.
You will never appear before the judgement seat so that your beliefs may be considered
God will repay no one according to what they have believed
regardless of your misunderstanding of verses that originally said "faith."
wadr
Who will render to every man according to his deeds
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
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besides which you are just deflecting again here, and avoiding the point, as usual
since i won't get a meaningful reply anyway, i'll leave you the last word here.
then go away pls, ty
I never will appear before the judgement seat, that has already happened, For a man to be judged he must have broken a law, for a sentence to be past He need witnesses and an accuser, the devil is that accuser. loves to trouble men with the law and works, and you will amazed as to how many so called "christians" stand on His side accusing everyone. You follow teh law, you do your works than surely you must be judged by the law and your works. Those in Christ have no works of there own, we have nothing to boast of, nothing to offer God but ourselves, Again it is by
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
so we dont sound like this man
Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Which are you going to be???
Ye wont tell you what you want to hear,
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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Was that Murder? or was it an Execution for Rape, different time's and different Culture. I know!!! just a thought on Justice, They did defile Diniah, and what's a brother to do.
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"Issachar's brother was called Zebulun (a stable society). Leah then bore Dinah, which is the feminine version of Dan. Since Dinah is female she does not denote a distinct social identity as her brothers do, but rather the sense of justice and fairness that all common people of a stable society are necessarily endowed with. The story tells that Dinah attracted the attentions of Shechem the Hivite, who subsequently took her by force (the name Shechem means Sense Of Responsibility). That enraged her brothers Levi and Simeon, who subsequently killed Shechem and his family and all the males of his village..."
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I do enjoy your response's, and I have read the story, and or indecent, I guess I should have placed a LOL in there, just being Me!
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hmm, i think i get you, but tbh i don't even pay much attn to the editorial, and he does take care to point out when he is just riffing anyway. The account works on more than one level, which he also admits in other places.
In fact they usually work so in depth that it is pretty hard to imagine how even a dedicated group of men--even thinking much more clearly than we can now--could have authored it, even allowing for editing over time
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In effect this meant that all ordinary people could quickly ascend to the rank of priest (that is someone with access to information), and that is why the Lord said that Israel was to be a kingdom of priests (Exodus 19:6, 1 Peter 2:9, Revelation 1:6, 5:10). And again we'll note that with the word כהן (cohen), meaning "priest", a wizard is meant, and the word "wizard" means very-wise, and the word "wisdom" means having skills and practical knowledge. In other words: old-world priests were not secluded weirdoes mumbling mysteries whilst performing magic tricks; they were the high-profile engineers, doctors, bankers and professors of their societies.
Egypt's whole land, however, was covered in hieroglyphs and their social structure was based on the monopoly of their IT nerds, so the Egyptian elite famously resisted adaptation to the alphabet. This too is of course a quintessential quality of archetypal (not geographical) Egypt: the desire to perpetuate a situation that derives all its merits from being temporary. Or in the famous words of Leo Tolstoy: "I know that most men can seldom discern even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions they have formed — conclusions of which they are proud, which they have taught to others, and on which they have built their lives".
Egypt clung to their millennia old mainframes and their experts-only IT culture, but the Semites to their north-east swiftly turned their societies into a buzzing internet in which everybody shared all they knew (even with whole specialized towns churning out writings: 1 Chronicles 2:55). This gave the Semites such an advantage that Egypt lost its control over them and began its gradual decline while the Semites entered their golden age. Hence the Biblical story of the Exodus..."
ibid
In effect this meant that all ordinary people could quickly ascend to the rank of priest (that is someone with access to information), and that is why the Lord said that Israel was to be a kingdom of priests (Exodus 19:6, 1 Peter 2:9, Revelation 1:6, 5:10). And again we'll note that with the word כהן (cohen), meaning "priest", a wizard is meant, and the word "wizard" means very-wise, and the word "wisdom" means having skills and practical knowledge. In other words: old-world priests were not secluded weirdoes mumbling mysteries whilst performing magic tricks; they were the high-profile engineers, doctors, bankers and professors of their societies.
Egypt's whole land, however, was covered in hieroglyphs and their social structure was based on the monopoly of their IT nerds, so the Egyptian elite famously resisted adaptation to the alphabet. This too is of course a quintessential quality of archetypal (not geographical) Egypt: the desire to perpetuate a situation that derives all its merits from being temporary. Or in the famous words of Leo Tolstoy: "I know that most men can seldom discern even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions they have formed — conclusions of which they are proud, which they have taught to others, and on which they have built their lives".
Egypt clung to their millennia old mainframes and their experts-only IT culture, but the Semites to their north-east swiftly turned their societies into a buzzing internet in which everybody shared all they knew (even with whole specialized towns churning out writings: 1 Chronicles 2:55). This gave the Semites such an advantage that Egypt lost its control over them and began its gradual decline while the Semites entered their golden age. Hence the Biblical story of the Exodus..."
ibid
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After Samson, the tone of the Book of Judges changes and neither the office of the judge nor the Philistines are mentioned again. This indicates that Judges 1-16 and Judges 17-21 were originally separate Books, and the second is as separate and timeless as the Books of Ruth or Job, and obviously not part of the original account of the Judges (as said, there are no judges mentioned in Judges 17-21).
In fact, in Judges 18:1 we are told that Dan had no land yet, which indicates that this account plays before the conquest (or better yet: tells of the "conquest" in a more historically veritable way). In 18:31 we are told that the "House of God" (= Bethel, or the Tabernacle) was at Shiloh, but in 21:18-19 we learn that neither Shiloh nor the service to YHWH was connected to Israel, but apparently to the indigenous Canaanites, which brings the scope of our story as far back as the days of Melchizedek (Genesis 14:18).
The serpent of Dan
After the story of Samson, the Book of Judges treats us to a satire in which a lady from Ephraim lost eleven hundred silver pieces and lavishly cursed whoever had taken them (Judges 17). That turned out to be her son, Micah, who promptly returned them. The cursing mother swiftly switched to blessings (in the name of YHWH, no less) and decided to dedicate the silver to YHWH. This she aimed to achieve by smelting the silver into an effigy, and since Micah had the knack, she charged him with it.
And so, Micah ended up with a brand new shiny idol, and as he liked to complete things, he consecrated one of his sons to be its priest (which places this story in the patriarchal era, see Job 1:5). Meanwhile in Judah, a young Levite from Bethlehem (and there's that Judah-Levi theme again) set out to find a job. He soon arrived at Micah's house..."
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After Samson, the tone of the Book of Judges changes and neither the office of the judge nor the Philistines are mentioned again. This indicates that Judges 1-16 and Judges 17-21 were originally separate Books, and the second is as separate and timeless as the Books of Ruth or Job, and obviously not part of the original account of the Judges (as said, there are no judges mentioned in Judges 17-21).
In fact, in Judges 18:1 we are told that Dan had no land yet, which indicates that this account plays before the conquest (or better yet: tells of the "conquest" in a more historically veritable way). In 18:31 we are told that the "House of God" (= Bethel, or the Tabernacle) was at Shiloh, but in 21:18-19 we learn that neither Shiloh nor the service to YHWH was connected to Israel, but apparently to the indigenous Canaanites, which brings the scope of our story as far back as the days of Melchizedek (Genesis 14:18).
The serpent of Dan
After the story of Samson, the Book of Judges treats us to a satire in which a lady from Ephraim lost eleven hundred silver pieces and lavishly cursed whoever had taken them (Judges 17). That turned out to be her son, Micah, who promptly returned them. The cursing mother swiftly switched to blessings (in the name of YHWH, no less) and decided to dedicate the silver to YHWH. This she aimed to achieve by smelting the silver into an effigy, and since Micah had the knack, she charged him with it.
And so, Micah ended up with a brand new shiny idol, and as he liked to complete things, he consecrated one of his sons to be its priest (which places this story in the patriarchal era, see Job 1:5). Meanwhile in Judah, a young Levite from Bethlehem (and there's that Judah-Levi theme again) set out to find a job. He soon arrived at Micah's house..."
ibid
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exodus from what
The amazing name Egypt: meaning and etymology
"The root צרה (srh) does not occur as verb in the Bible but in Arabic it denotes the bleeding of a vein, and a comparable noun denotes an odoriferous tree. In the Bible only one derivative of the Hebrew root remains: the masculine noun צרי (sari), denoting a kind of costly balsam (Genesis 37:25, Jeremiah 8:22)..."
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The amazing name Egypt: meaning and etymology
"The root צרה (srh) does not occur as verb in the Bible but in Arabic it denotes the bleeding of a vein, and a comparable noun denotes an odoriferous tree. In the Bible only one derivative of the Hebrew root remains: the masculine noun צרי (sari), denoting a kind of costly balsam (Genesis 37:25, Jeremiah 8:22)..."
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