A 1,000 Year Millennium On This Earth?

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  1. As far as a future Literal 1000 year millennium on this earth, no such thing in the holy bible.

    When Jesus returns, it will be in fire and "Final Judgment", dissolvong this earth by his fire, 2 Peter 3:10, Malachi 3:2, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Nahum 1:5

    Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords spiritual realm, with spiritual beings, there is no physical earthly kingdom seen or represented whatsoever.

    Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ, 100% spiritual world, no literal earthly kingdom is seen.

    Revelation 20 KJV
    20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Many are taught that Matthew 25:31-46 sheep/goat judgment takes place to judge those worthy to enter a millennial kingdom on this earth?

    False, as this is the "Final Judgment"
    As verse 41 shows the wicked are judged to the "eternal lake of fire", and verse 46 shows the righteous obtain "eternal life".

    Matthew 25:31-46KJV
    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
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I tend to agree. How do you deal with the "binding of Satan"? I know you say it's within the spiritual world, and I'm not disagreeing, but one must still address the notion that Satan is, in some shape of form, restricted within this time frame. I'm just wondering how you go about it, as I see this as one of the hardest parts to address.
 

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I tend to agree. How do you deal with the "binding of Satan"? I know you say it's within the spiritual world, and I'm not disagreeing, but one must still address the notion that Satan is, in some shape of form, restricted within this time frame. I'm just wondering how you go about it, as I see this as one of the hardest parts to address.
It appears you have interest in biblical truth, Amen!

Namoi I followed the misguided teachings in Dispensationalism for 20 years without question, pre-trib rapture and 1000 year millennial on earth, fairy tale teachings.

Many ask if Satan is bound currently, how could evil be present in the world?

No place in Revelation 20:1-6 below states, satan is bound from bringing evil on this earth currently.

The scripture below clearly teaches satan is bound from "One Specific Purpose" that is "Deceiving The Nations To Battle" as verse (8) below shows the definition of "Deceive The Nations" as satan will be loosed to Deceieve The Nations To The "Final Battle" simple, right before every readers eyes.

Verse (3) below states satan is bound and sealed? He certainly is bound and sealed from gathering the nations to the final battle.

Revelation 16:12 below shows the 6th angels "Current" binding and seal upon satan, he can't go out to deceive the nations to battle, until the "Future" 6th vial is poured out.

Revelation 16:13-14 below shows the deception satan was bound from "Deceiving The Nations", devils working miracles will go forth from the Dragon/Satan, Beast, False Prophet, to the Kings of the world, to gather them to the final battle, this is also seen in Revelation 20:7-8 a short parallel teaching of the same event.

The book of Revelation is seen in parallel teachings of same events, not in chronological order as dispensationalism "Falsely Teaches".

Dispensationalism teaches Revelation 16:13-14 & Revelation 20:7-8 are two separate battles and time frames 100% False, they are the exact same event in parallel teachings.

Keep The Questions Coming!

Revelation 20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Below The Angels 6th Vial Has Been Poured Out, The Binding And Seal is lifted upon Satan, He Is Loosed To "Deceive The Nations To Battle"

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
 
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I've always seen 2 Thess 2 as a passage that supports this:

6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

The "restrainer"? Probably the angel that holds the key to they abyss, just in my opinion.
But, while theologically I 'know' that Satan is bound from deceiving the Nations, I can't help wondering how that plays out on a practical level. What does that look like? Is there going to come a point where we know that Satan is behind the deception? Because it's clear deception has always been in the world, with or without Satan. So..are we saying that the deception that Satan is restrained from doing during this time is related in specific to: 1 - stopping the spread of the gospel, and 2 - gathering the Nations to battle...against the people of God??
And that in those two things (because there has been, to a lesser degree, these things already) we will see an incredible increase, that no one can deny?
 

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I've always seen 2 Thess 2 as a passage that supports this:

6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

The "restrainer"? Probably the angel that holds the key to they abyss, just in my opinion.
But, while theologically I 'know' that Satan is bound from deceiving the Nations, I can't help wondering how that plays out on a practical level. What does that look like? Is there going to come a point where we know that Satan is behind the deception? Because it's clear deception has always been in the world, with or without Satan. So..are we saying that the deception that Satan is restrained from doing during this time is related in specific to: 1 - stopping the spread of the gospel, and 2 - gathering the Nations to battle...against the people of God??
And that in those two things (because there has been, to a lesser degree, these things already) we will see an incredible increase, that no one can deny?
The scripture lays out and clearly defines "Deceieve The Nations" look at Revelation 20:7-8 alone, no need to go elsewhere in a personal private interpretation, the scripture interprets itself very plain and clear.

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
  1. Many ask if Satan is bound currently, how could evil be present in the world?

    No place in Revelation 20:1-6 below states, satan is bound from bringing evil on this earth currently.

    The scripture below clearly teaches satan is bound from "One Specific Purpose" that is "Deceiving The Nations To Battle" as verse (8) below shows the definition of "Deceive The Nations" as satan will be loosed to Deceieve The Nations To The "Final Battle" simple, right before every readers eyes.

    Verse (3) below states satan is bound and sealed? He certainly is bound and sealed from gathering the nations to the final battle.

    Revelation 16:12 below shows the 6th angels "Current" binding and seal upon satan, he can't go out to deceive the nations to battle, until the "Future" 6th vial is poured out.

    Revelation 16:13-14 below shows the deception satan was bound from "Deceiving The Nations", devils working miracles will go forth from the Dragon/Satan, Beast, False Prophet, to the Kings of the world, to gather them to the final battle, this is also seen in Revelation 20:7-8 a short parallel teaching of the same event.

    The book of Revelation is seen in parallel teachings of same events, not in chronological order as dispensationalism "Falsely Teaches".

    Dispensationalism teaches Revelation 16:13-14 & Revelation 20:7-8 are two separate battles and time frames 100% False, they are the exact same event in parallel teachings.

    Keep The Questions Coming!

    Revelation 20 King James Version (KJV)
    20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

    Below The Angels 6th Vial Has Been Poured Out, The Binding And Seal is lifted upon Satan, He Is Loosed To "Deceive The Nations To Battle"

    Revelation 16:12-17KJV
    12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
    14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
 

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The book of Revelation is seen in parallel teachings of same events, not in chronological order as dispensationalism "Falsely Teaches".

Yes! This is by far the most sensible way to read Revelation, is it not? It actually makes sense and straightens out the knot it once was.
Alas, I don't have many more questions for you, since we seem to see eye to eye on this. Although, it is nice to converse with someone who doesn't need to pick your belief to pieces every once in a while.
 
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Oh what wonderful understanding by a person with no understanding.

The Revelation 16:12-16 sixth bowl judgement is presently playing out at this very moment, and it will come to its fulfilment in our near future, around 25-27 years from now when the Kings of the earth are gathered at Armageddon to be judged after the fulfilment of the 2,300 years of the Daniel 8:9-14 prophecy has been completed.

We then have Isaiah 24:21-22 being fulfilled. At the time that the kings are judged at Armageddon, Satan will be judged in heaven and we are told in Revelation 12:7-9 that Satan will be thrown out of heaven down to the earth, to be grabbed at that very moment and locked up for 1,000 years in the Bottomless Pit. Revelation 20:1-3

So at the present time Satan is able to deceive the people of the earth and in 2001 we saw three foul frog like evil spirits goo out from Satan, the beast and the false prophet to perform their great signs and wonders to an audience of all of the people of the earth. What we are seeing at this present time is the political manoeuvring of nations in preparation to gather all of the nations at Armageddon.

When Satan is released from the Bottomless pit, he knows that his time is short. Revelation 12:12 and he goes out to the four corners of the earth to gather the nations to march with him to wards Jerusalem where he intends to set himself up as a god. But first Christ will come at this time and capture the beast and the false prophet and dispatch them into the Lake of fire. Shortly afterwards he captures Satan and also dispatches him into the Lake of fire.

At the time of the judgements of the kings on the earth, God will establish His everlasting Kingdom, Daniel 2:44-45 and when the four beasts and the little horn beast is judged in heaven and their dominions taken away from them, the Son of Man will be given dominion over all of the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him, Daniel 7:13-14.

The battle and judgement at Armageddon occurs at the very end of this present age. The battle involving Magog and Gog against Jerusalem will occur towards the very end of the Millennium Age during the little while period after the bottomless pit is unlocked to release Satan, the four facetted beast of Daniel 7:19ff and the little horn, the false prophet mentioned also in Daniel 7:19ff.

But enough for people to get their laughing matter around for the present.

Shalom
 
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@Naomi25 hi. I won't go into the millennium topic and Satan's bonds because I have explained my perspective previously to you. But you mentioned above the role of the"restainer". This does not apply to a future event, but was fulfilled not long after the apostolic age. Here is an article I wrote on that some years ago. God bless.
The Restrainer and the Restrained
 

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@Naomi25 hi. I won't go into the millennium topic and Satan's bonds because I have explained my perspective previously to you. But you mentioned above the role of the"restainer". This does not apply to a future event, but was fulfilled not long after the apostolic age. Here is an article I wrote on that some years ago. God bless.
The Restrainer and the Restrained

That was quite an interesting read, brakelite, thank you.
 
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Oh what wonderful understanding by a person with no understanding.

The Revelation 16:12-16 sixth bowl judgement is presently playing out at this very moment, and it will come to its fulfilment in our near future, around 25-27 years from now when the Kings of the earth are gathered at Armageddon to be judged after the fulfilment of the 2,300 years of the Daniel 8:9-14 prophecy has been completed.

We then have Isaiah 24:21-22 being fulfilled. At the time that the kings are judged at Armageddon, Satan will be judged in heaven and we are told in Revelation 12:7-9 that Satan will be thrown out of heaven down to the earth, to be grabbed at that very moment and locked up for 1,000 years in the Bottomless Pit. Revelation 20:1-3

So at the present time Satan is able to deceive the people of the earth and in 2001 we saw three foul frog like evil spirits goo out from Satan, the beast and the false prophet to perform their great signs and wonders to an audience of all of the people of the earth. What we are seeing at this present time is the political manoeuvring of nations in preparation to gather all of the nations at Armageddon.

When Satan is released from the Bottomless pit, he knows that his time is short. Revelation 12:12 and he goes out to the four corners of the earth to gather the nations to march with him to wards Jerusalem where he intends to set himself up as a god. But first Christ will come at this time and capture the beast and the false prophet and dispatch them into the Lake of fire. Shortly afterwards he captures Satan and also dispatches him into the Lake of fire.

At the time of the judgements of the kings on the earth, God will establish His everlasting Kingdom, Daniel 2:44-45 and when the four beasts and the little horn beast is judged in heaven and their dominions taken away from them, the Son of Man will be given dominion over all of the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him, Daniel 7:13-14.

The battle and judgement at Armageddon occurs at the very end of this present age. The battle involving Magog and Gog against Jerusalem will occur towards the very end of the Millennium Age during the little while period after the bottomless pit is unlocked to release Satan, the four facetted beast of Daniel 7:19ff and the little horn, the false prophet mentioned also in Daniel 7:19ff.

But enough for people to get their laughing matter around for the present.

Shalom
The Holy Bible refutes a future Millennium at the return of Jesus Christ as seen below.

Many are taught that Matthew 25:31-46sheep/goat judgment takes place to judge those worthy to enter a millennial kingdom on this earth?

False, as this is the "Final Judgment"
As verse 41 shows the wicked are judged to the "eternal lake of fire", and verse 46 shows the righteous obtain "eternal life".

Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 

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@Naomi25 hi. I won't go into the millennium topic and Satan's bonds because I have explained my perspective previously to you. But you mentioned above the role of the"restainer". This does not apply to a future event, but was fulfilled not long after the apostolic age. Here is an article I wrote on that some years ago. God bless.
The Restrainer and the Restrained
Read your article, as you hold the traditional theme of Roman Catholicism and the Pope as the "Antichrist"?

I see the future "Antichrist" as being a "Jew" Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard "the God of his fathers"

The true Hebrew God, with a capital "G" deity, his fathers worshipped the True God, A Jew.
Daniel 11:37 below.

I see the Pope fulfilling the role of the "False Prophet"

2 Kings 21:22
And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 21:10
So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

2 Chronicles 28:25
And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.

2 Chronicles 30:19
That prepareth his heart to seek God, the Lord God of his fathers, though he be not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary.

2 Chronicles 33:12
And when he was in affliction, he besought the Lord his God, and humbled himself greatly before the God of his fathers,

Daniel 11:37
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
 
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@Truth7t7 Hi. I used to hold that view. I also was once a futurist. That changed 20 years ago. Here is another article from a couple of years ago which gives my current perspective on today and the rise of antichrist.
The Leopard Stirs…
Sorry everybody, somewhat off topic. But still of interest I am sure.
 

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@Truth7t7 Hi. I used to hold that view. I also was once a futurist. That changed 20 years ago. Here is another article from a couple of years ago which gives my current perspective on today and the rise of antichrist.
The Leopard Stirs…
Sorry everybody, somewhat off topic. But still of interest I am sure.
Pretty much the same stance as the previous, you wind through Greece, and end op with Rome and the Pope?

As I said previously, Daniel 11:37 identifies he didn't worship the "God Of His Fathers" Jew, and this is a actual physical human man, He, His, Himself, also seen in Revelation 13, same bad guy, the little horn/false prophet I believe will be the RCC Pope.

Thanks for the read.
 

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Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords spiritual realm, with spiritual beings, there is no physical earthly kingdom seen or represented whatsoever.
Indeed:

2 Corinthians 5:16
"Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer."
 

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Indeed:

2 Corinthians 5:16
"Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer."
Thanks for your response, however how does that refute the truth presented in the OP below?

The teaching of a future 1000 year kingdom on earth has physical humans present, that live and die, this certainly isn't seen in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

As far as a future Literal 1000 year millennium on this earth, no such thing in the holy bible.

When Jesus returns, it will be in fire and "Final Judgment", dissolvong this earth by his fire, 2 Peter 3:10, Malachi 3:2, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Nahum 1:5

Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords spiritual realm, with spiritual beings, there is no physical earthly kingdom seen or represented whatsoever.

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ, 100% spiritual world, no literal earthly kingdom is seen.

Revelation 20 KJV
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

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Thanks for your response, however how does that refute the truth presented in the OP below?

The teaching of a future 1000 year kingdom on earth has physical humans present, that live and die, this certainly isn't seen in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

As far as a future Literal 1000 year millennium on this earth, no such thing in the holy bible.

When Jesus returns, it will be in fire and "Final Judgment", dissolvong this earth by his fire, 2 Peter 3:10, Malachi 3:2, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Nahum 1:5

Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords spiritual realm, with spiritual beings, there is no physical earthly kingdom seen or represented whatsoever.

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ, 100% spiritual world, no literal earthly kingdom is seen.

Revelation 20 KJV
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
It doesn't refute, but confirms that there is no further reign of Christ in the world [in the flesh], other than that which He does through His body of believers.
 

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The Holy Bible refutes a future Millennium at the return of Jesus Christ as seen below.

Many are taught that Matthew 25:31-46sheep/goat judgment takes place to judge those worthy to enter a millennial kingdom on this earth?

False, as this is the "Final Judgment"
As verse 41 shows the wicked are judged to the "eternal lake of fire", and verse 46 shows the righteous obtain "eternal life".

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Really, the Holy Bible refutes a future Millennium Age?

How about Hosea 6: 1 - 3

Hosea 6:1-3
6:
1 Come, and let us return to the Lord;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
2 After two days {∞ 2,000 year, i.e. 2 ages, the two ages from when Christ was born} He will revive us;
On the third day {∞ 1,000 year, i.e. a third age, the Millennium Age} He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.
3 Let us know,
Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord.
His going forth is established as the morning;
He will come to us like the rain,
Like the latter and former rain to the earth.

So when do you see the final judgement taking place? Is it at the end of the next age, i.e. in the distant future just over 1,000 year from now?
 
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  1. As far as a future Literal 1000 year millennium on this earth, no such thing in the holy bible.

    When Jesus returns, it will be in fire and "Final Judgment", dissolvong this earth by his fire, 2 Peter 3:10, Malachi 3:2, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Nahum 1:5

    Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords spiritual realm, with spiritual beings, there is no physical earthly kingdom seen or represented whatsoever.

    Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ, 100% spiritual world, no literal earthly kingdom is seen.

    Revelation 20 KJV
    20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Many are taught that Matthew 25:31-46 sheep/goat judgment takes place to judge those worthy to enter a millennial kingdom on this earth?

    False, as this is the "Final Judgment"
    As verse 41 shows the wicked are judged to the "eternal lake of fire", and verse 46 shows the righteous obtain "eternal life".

    Matthew 25:31-46KJV
    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Is it your opinion that God cannot raise dead people back to physical life?
 

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Really, the Holy Bible refutes a future Millennium Age?

How about Hosea 6: 1 - 3

Hosea 6:1-3
6:
1 Come, and let us return to the Lord;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
2 After two days {∞ 2,000 year, i.e. 2 ages, the two ages from when Christ was born} He will revive us;
On the third day {∞ 1,000 year, i.e. a third age, the Millennium Age} He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.
3 Let us know,
Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord.
His going forth is established as the morning;
He will come to us like the rain,
Like the latter and former rain to the earth.

So when do you see the final judgement taking place? Is it at the end of the next age, i.e. in the distant future just over 1,00 year from now?
You did a whole lot of calculations, adding to God's word, not one meaning a day equals 1000 years.

The final judgment takes place at the return of Jesus Christ in fire, have you not read the scripture, "Fire"! 2 Peter 3:10-13, Malachi 3:2, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Nahum 1:5

Many are taught that Matthew 25:31-46 sheep/goat judgment takes place to judge those worthy to enter a millennial kingdom on this earth?

False, as this is the "Final Judgment"
As verse 41 shows the wicked are judged to the "eternal lake of fire", and verse 46 shows the righteous obtain "eternal life".

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
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Is it your opinion that God cannot raise dead people back to physical life?
At no time did I not say Jesus Could not raise the dead, off topic left field.

Revelation 20:1-6 is the spiritual realm, not sould being raised from the dead, to start a kingdom on earth, where mortal humans will rule with Jesus in Jerusalem, "Fairy Tale"

Rest assured that when Jesus Christ returns with the Holy Angels, it's final judgment time, eternal kingdom, not a 1000 year kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans running around.

Many are taught that Matthew 25:31-46sheep/goat judgment takes place to judge those worthy to enter a millennial kingdom on this earth?

False, as this is the "Final Judgment"
As verse 41 shows the wicked are judged to the "eternal lake of fire", and verse 46 shows the righteous obtain "eternal life".

Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
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