Some may have depending on how early you are talking but what does that have to do with anything? thinking Christ would soon return has nothing to do with flying away rapture doctrinewhich was never taught by any early church And if you are refering to Thess. teaching that false doctrine That's a wrong conclusion. they were concerned with where the dead were Why was that? the church of thess was brand new 3 weeks old Paul had to leave and run for his life this new church of Jew and Gentile had some new converts that brought a rumor that Christ had already returned for the second time So the Thessalonians were expecting the dead to rise first and the millenium to begin.When Timothy learned this false rumor he told Paul who quickly penned 2 Thess.to inform them Christ had not returned and would not until after Antichrist the Son of pertion and his tribulation.the early church did not expect his return any moment Heres some historal facts for you Biblical Significance Paul (with Silas and Timothy) came to Thessalonica from Philippi on his second missionary journey, stopping in Amphipolis and Apollonia before arriving here (Acts 17). He preached in the city’s synagogue, the chief synagogue of the region, for at least three weeks. His ministry was strong, and he established a Jewish-Gentile church, although it was more heavily Gentile (1 Thes. 1:9). When Paul faced great persecution at the hands of the mob, he fled to Berea, but Thessalonians eventually forced him to leave there also (Acts 17:13-14).Mission in ThessalonicaActs 17:1-9...they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue. Acts 17:1bCity: "Present-day Salonika. Capital of Macedonia and largestmost prosperous city in Mace. 40 miles from Apollonia. Strategically located on the Thermaic Gulf...straddled the Via Egnatia" (Dollar:42) "...probably founded by Cassander in 315 B.C. and named for his wife, the daughter of Philip II...population of perhaps 200,000." (Longenecker:468) Summary: Paul went into the synagogue, as was his custom, and began reasoning with the Jews from the scriptures. He tried to explain to them how important it was that Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. Some Jews, many God-fearing Greeks, and not a few prominent women came to believe. Many of the Jews did not believe and formed a mob, which rushed to Jason's house, where Paul and Silas were staying. When they could not be found there, Jason and some of the brothers were brought before the city officials. They accused them of housing troublemakers and of defying Caesar's decrees, since they were claiming that Jesus was their king and not Caesar. Jason and the others were made to post bond and were set free. .........So there you have it your rapture doctrine "catching away" mis understanding by a three week old church of gentiles/jews whoheard it from rumors not much differnt than today men start a rumor based on a crazy girls dream and men make a religious doctrine out of it and Gods word goes out the window, forget they were corrected ,why believe the correction when you have a good rumor.
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Isa 66:4 So will I choose their delusions, And bring their fears on them; Because, when I called, no one answered, When I spoke they did not hear; But they did evil before My eyes, And chose that in which I do not delight."2Th 2:11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,Jhn 17:15 "I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one."Mar 8:34 When He had called the people to Himself, with His disciples also, He said to them, "Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.Mar 8:35 "For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel's will save it.Mar 8:36 "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Mar 8:37 "Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?Rev 3:14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans[fn6] write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: Rev 3:15 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. Rev 3:16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,[fn7] I will vomit you out of My mouth. Rev 3:17 "Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'--and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked-- Rev 3:18 "I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. Rev 3:19"As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. Rev 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. Rev 3:21 "To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. Rev 3:22 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."'"Rapture is strong delusion and those who believe in it have fallen into a snare....I'll be praying for you all
(kriss;40078)
That is absolute lie and twisting of scripture to make it say what you want 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. You call this the first? BLASPHEMY!!This is Satan Normal motive of operation he is a scripture expert No Apostle nor Christ himself ever taught a Pre -Trib rapture Lies of men You are making assumptions that are not written and calling the Word of God a lie to support your theory of men. This was never taught until an Insane woman came up with it based on One left one taken parable. Then men went about taking scripture out of context to find support. If you can disprove any of the presented facts I suggest you contact the Writer of the article he is offering a thousand dollars Futher more you have to Ignore so much scripture to come to this conclusion it borders on blasphemy Gods word describes two comings not three one harvest not two You can not present a single scripture to support your view only claim the ones there are wrong If you think God That's problem you have to prove Gods wrong and your right
If you read my post, you will see that I have given scripture that show that the Church has gone before the tribulation. Your arguement is with God, not me. If you lok in Revelation, you'll find that even the mid-tribers have gone fore the 1st trumpet is sounded, never mind tha last. By the way, I am still waiting for you to show me scripture that says the Church will go through the trubulation, I don't mean "The Jews, "The Elect" the mid-trib believers, or the ones that don't make the rapture because they were backsliden.
That is absolute lie and twisting of scripture to make it say what you want 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. You call this the first? BLASPHEMY!!This is Satan Normal motive of operation he is a scripture expert No Apostle nor Christ himself ever taught a Pre -Trib rapture Lies of men You are making assumptions that are not written and calling the Word of God a lie to support your theory of men. This was never taught until an Insane woman came up with it based on One left one taken parable. Then men went about taking scripture out of context to find support. If you can disprove any of the presented facts I suggest you contact the Writer of the article he is offering a thousand dollars Futher more you have to Ignore so much scripture to come to this conclusion it borders on blasphemy Gods word describes two comings not three one harvest not two You can not present a single scripture to support your view only claim the ones there are wrong If you think God That's problem you have to prove Gods wrong and your right
If you read my post, you will see that I have given scripture that show that the Church has gone before the tribulation. Your arguement is with God, not me. If you lok in Revelation, you'll find that even the mid-tribers have gone fore the 1st trumpet is sounded, never mind tha last. By the way, I am still waiting for you to show me scripture that says the Church will go through the trubulation, I don't mean "The Jews, "The Elect" the mid-trib believers, or the ones that don't make the rapture because they were backsliden.
(followerofchrist;40097)
I use to believe in the pre-tribulation rapture until I read 2 thessalonians 2:3. That verse single handedly dissproves the pre-tribulation rapture. I would like to see anyone try and change that verse around to support a contradicting theory.
If you read 2 Thess 2: 3, & 6--8 you'll find the truth, you don't even need the Greek to see it. But I will show you from the original Greek.v3. The word "Falling away", is from the greek word [Apo, & Histemi] from the word "Apostasia", apostasia means, A falling away. but the word derived from it is "Aphistemi" from [Apo] & [histemi]. The word "Apo" means [Away, To take away, Depart]. The word 2 Histemi" meand, [To place], the whole meaning being, to take away to a place.If you look at v3 again, It does not say a falling away from the faith, That idear comes from man.even if it did mean "A Falling away from the faith" That has already happened, Some Churches today have fallen from the truth.One denomination are thinking of changing their beliefs from "We believe in healing in the atonement" to "We believe that God heals at His own descetion".Now look at v 6--8.v6. We know what withholdeth [holing back] from being revealed.v7.The mystery of lawlessnes is already working: Only he [The church] that now letteth [holds him back] will let [hold him back until he [The Church is taken out of the way.v8. Then shall the wicked one be revealed.Read all my posts on the pre-trib rapture, unlike other people I give scipture & the Greek meaning to back up the truth.
I use to believe in the pre-tribulation rapture until I read 2 thessalonians 2:3. That verse single handedly dissproves the pre-tribulation rapture. I would like to see anyone try and change that verse around to support a contradicting theory.
If you read 2 Thess 2: 3, & 6--8 you'll find the truth, you don't even need the Greek to see it. But I will show you from the original Greek.v3. The word "Falling away", is from the greek word [Apo, & Histemi] from the word "Apostasia", apostasia means, A falling away. but the word derived from it is "Aphistemi" from [Apo] & [histemi]. The word "Apo" means [Away, To take away, Depart]. The word 2 Histemi" meand, [To place], the whole meaning being, to take away to a place.If you look at v3 again, It does not say a falling away from the faith, That idear comes from man.even if it did mean "A Falling away from the faith" That has already happened, Some Churches today have fallen from the truth.One denomination are thinking of changing their beliefs from "We believe in healing in the atonement" to "We believe that God heals at His own descetion".Now look at v 6--8.v6. We know what withholdeth [holing back] from being revealed.v7.The mystery of lawlessnes is already working: Only he [The church] that now letteth [holds him back] will let [hold him back until he [The Church is taken out of the way.v8. Then shall the wicked one be revealed.Read all my posts on the pre-trib rapture, unlike other people I give scipture & the Greek meaning to back up the truth.
(Alanforchrist;40975)
If you read my post, you will see that I have given scripture that show that the Church has gone before the tribulation. Your arguement is with God, not me. If you lok in Revelation, you'll find that even the mid-tribers have gone fore the 1st trumpet is sounded, never mind tha last. By the way, I am still waiting for you to show me scripture that says the Church will go through the trubulation, I don't mean "The Jews, "The Elect" the mid-trib believers, or the ones that don't make the rapture because they were backsliden.
Believe whatever you like, but don't ever try to lead souls astray. You are blind. You are preaching a man-made Christ and not the real Christ.
If you read my post, you will see that I have given scripture that show that the Church has gone before the tribulation. Your arguement is with God, not me. If you lok in Revelation, you'll find that even the mid-tribers have gone fore the 1st trumpet is sounded, never mind tha last. By the way, I am still waiting for you to show me scripture that says the Church will go through the trubulation, I don't mean "The Jews, "The Elect" the mid-trib believers, or the ones that don't make the rapture because they were backsliden.
Believe whatever you like, but don't ever try to lead souls astray. You are blind. You are preaching a man-made Christ and not the real Christ.
(thesuperjag;40979)
Believe whatever you like, but don't ever try to lead souls astray. You are blind. You are preaching a man-made Christ and not the real Christ.
You are saying that God is a liar, and you know the truth. why don't you ask God to step of His throne so you can sit on it.Until someone shows me by the Scritures that the Church will go through the tribulation, [I don't mean, Spectulate as people have been doing, I don't mean the Jews, the backsliders that will be left behind, or the rapture of mid-trib saints. I mean the church]. I won't believe it.read all my posts on this subject
Believe whatever you like, but don't ever try to lead souls astray. You are blind. You are preaching a man-made Christ and not the real Christ.
You are saying that God is a liar, and you know the truth. why don't you ask God to step of His throne so you can sit on it.Until someone shows me by the Scritures that the Church will go through the tribulation, [I don't mean, Spectulate as people have been doing, I don't mean the Jews, the backsliders that will be left behind, or the rapture of mid-trib saints. I mean the church]. I won't believe it.read all my posts on this subject
@ Alan, you're sequence of the Rapture and the Trumpets are contrary to what the Word says, it's near or @ the 7th Trump. The Bride is Talking away(Virgins with the Lamp), and the Church(Foolish Virgin without Oil in Lamps) along with the Jews stay through the Tribulation.
(Alanforchrist;40980)
You are saying that God is a liar, and you know the truth. why don't you ask God to step of His throne so you can sit on it.Until someone shows me by the Scritures that the Church will go through the tribulation, [I don't mean, Spectulate as people have been doing, I don't mean the Jews, the backsliders that will be left behind, or the rapture of mid-trib saints. I mean the church]. I won't believe it.read all my posts on this subject
No you are the one that is lying there is no three raptures nor three baptisim you are misleading,lying, what ever you want to call it the bible is all about telling us to wait on the Lord only those blinded by Satan and men see what isnt there I have told you where this doctrine started documented it told youthe Word of God yet you still can not see Satan is blinding you to truth
You are saying that God is a liar, and you know the truth. why don't you ask God to step of His throne so you can sit on it.Until someone shows me by the Scritures that the Church will go through the tribulation, [I don't mean, Spectulate as people have been doing, I don't mean the Jews, the backsliders that will be left behind, or the rapture of mid-trib saints. I mean the church]. I won't believe it.read all my posts on this subject
No you are the one that is lying there is no three raptures nor three baptisim you are misleading,lying, what ever you want to call it the bible is all about telling us to wait on the Lord only those blinded by Satan and men see what isnt there I have told you where this doctrine started documented it told youthe Word of God yet you still can not see Satan is blinding you to truth
(Unorthodox Christian;41001)
@ Alan, you're sequence of the Rapture and the Trumpets are contrary to what the Word says, it's near or @ the 7th Trump. The Bride is Talking away(Virgins with the Lamp), and the Church(Foolish Virgin without Oil in Lamps) along with the Jews stay through the Tribulation.
Of course he has them out of Order because thats how rapture Works when men start making Doctrine it gets all mixed up everyone starts putting their own spin on Gods Word there is only one coming of our Lord in scripture at the 7th trump flesh and blood can not enter heaven,the dead are raisede first, Satan has power over the Aair, the tares are gathered first God is against men who teach his children they are going to fly away like birds into the Air Blessed are those than over come.How many ways to you want him to tell you Unorthodox before you listen???
@ Alan, you're sequence of the Rapture and the Trumpets are contrary to what the Word says, it's near or @ the 7th Trump. The Bride is Talking away(Virgins with the Lamp), and the Church(Foolish Virgin without Oil in Lamps) along with the Jews stay through the Tribulation.
Of course he has them out of Order because thats how rapture Works when men start making Doctrine it gets all mixed up everyone starts putting their own spin on Gods Word there is only one coming of our Lord in scripture at the 7th trump flesh and blood can not enter heaven,the dead are raisede first, Satan has power over the Aair, the tares are gathered first God is against men who teach his children they are going to fly away like birds into the Air Blessed are those than over come.How many ways to you want him to tell you Unorthodox before you listen???
The 7th Trumpet judgment is the announcement that the kingdoms of this world are now become the kingdom of Christ. This is the prelude to the opening of the Vials of the wrath of God. "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in Heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our LORD, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because Thou hast taken to Thee Thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and Thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that Thou shouldest give reward unto Thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear Thy Name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in Heaven, and there was seen in His temple the Ark of His Testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail" (Revelation 11:15-19).a. This is the judgment that is identified with the Last Trump, the one the ancient Jews identified with the Day of the Awakening Blast [Yom Teruah] of the shofar (ram's horn) before Jehovah, their King. "With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King" (Psalm 98:6). b. The Church age also reaches its' conclusion at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the prophets" (Revelation 10:7). The Church is a mystery in that it was not understood until after the time of Christ's first coming that the Gentiles had any part of Jehovah. Now both Jew and Gentile would be fellow heirs to Christ by means of the Church, which is the body of Christ. "And he [Christ] is the head of the body, the church" (Colossians 1:18 ). "This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church" (Ephesians 5:32). "Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to His saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Colossians 1:26-27).c. On Tishri 1 (Rosh HaShanah) of the Jewish calendar, the 7th Trumpet sounds in fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets as declared by the LORD to Moses in Leviticus 23. "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation. Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD" (Leviticus 23:23-25).THIS IS AND HAS BEEN THE ONLY SECOND COMING EVER TOLD IN GODS WORD THE ONLY ONE EVER TAUGHT BY ALL DISCIPLES THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THERE IS AND GOD IN HIS WISDOM HAS GIVEN YOU A NUMBER SYSTEM IN THE TRUMPS TO GUIDE YOUTHERE IS NO SECRET RAPTURE IT IS AGAINST THE ENTIRE WORD OF GOD HE NEVER SAVED ANYONE TO MAKE ESCAPE ARTISTS THAT FLY AWAY HE SAVES THOSE THAT HAVE FAITH IN HIM AND FEAR NOTHING THAT MAN OR SATAN HAS HE IS OUR STRENGH NOT OUR RUN.RUN FLY AWAY,FLYAWAY, QUICK ARTIST HE SAYS GRIT UP YOUR LOINS THATS AN IDIOM FOR STAND UP AND BE A WARRIOR FOR YOUR FATHER AND STAND BY MY SIDE AND WE WILL OVERCOME ALL EVIL IN THE WORLD,STAND BY YOUR FATHER AND STOP LOOKING FOR AWAY OUT HOW DARE MAN SAY TAKE YOUR SYSTEM AND THROW IN THE TRASH GOD AND SAY WE HAVE OUR OWN NOT BASED IN SCRIPTURE BUT BASED ON OUR OWN IDEAS OF WHAT WE THINK YOU SHOULD DO, SO WE WILL CHANGE YOUR WORDpre-trib rapture is blaspheme to Gods Word HE NEVER SAID IT NEVER WROTE IT NEVER TAUGHT IT.
[13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, Them that are already dead that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.dont sorrow for them they are with me worry about those who have No hope [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. if you believe Jesus ro from the dead so will the dead which sllep now and God will bring these dead Saints with him when he comes they are already dead [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. Those that are alive when Christ comes and remain alive shall not prevent the already dead from rising (first as we are told)[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: The Lord will return with shouting and great Glory at the trump he vtold us of that is the 7th (above post) [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.Then that is after the 7th trump God has declared as his trump will be gathered to meet him comfort each other with these words no where do these words say God is returning before his declared trump it is lie to say other wise to take Gods Word his very time that he lovingly layed out for yopu and change it saying it is what God did not declare it to be. Dont one of you dare tell me that God did not declare this as his trump he never says Ill return at many trumps or use plural words he says he will return AT THE TRUMP .....PERIOD ONE TRUMP ONE COMING what trump his thrump the 7th trump GOD HAS DECLARED IT LET IT BE SO
Hi my brothers and sisters in Christ. I am very very happy to be here. I am so glad to see that each one of you are standing in faith (as Paul has said). I would like to share my faith with you all as well. As each one of us strengthens each other. I will start straight out with the TRUTH that is written in the Bible that I wholly believe.First of all I believe that church will be here on earth through the great-tribulation. Jesus Christ will return on the last day, on the 7th trump everything will be accomplished, that is when the dead shall rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. I am here to share the TRUTH and I love to see you here brothers. It lights my heart on fire even more. The dead shall rise on what day? (the last day as it is written in John 6:39, 40, 44, 54. ) The last trump will blow and what will happen? The dead shall rise FIRST. Yet, foremost, I would really would like to share the WORD that is the foundation of our faith. It has been my desire to share with you the foundation that is unshakable in the scripture. I would like to show every believer a compass. By which a person should be guided in his life. People all over the place are arguing, debating, there is the great contreversy about the rapture doctrine, which I will say by all means is SATANS work, NOT GOD'S WORK. People are unsure which one is right and which one is wrong. The WORD of God which the simplest child can understand (because it is so simple when the Holy Spirit reveals it) has for some unknown reason brought people in this debate about the doctrine of rapture, immenence and all other things. COMPASS OF THE END OF TIMES This compass is chapter 2 2nd Thessalonians. Here in this chapter lies the foundation that antichrist cannot break. The door that cannot be opened by unfaithful people, that can be used by the faithful to find light and guideness.We are going to go through this chapter. (2nd THESSALONIANS CHAPTER 2: 1-3) 1.Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,we ask you, 2. not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,First of all I would like to look at verses one and two. Pre-Trib rapturists believe the verse 1 "concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him" talks about the rapture of the church. while in the verse two "as though the day of Christ had come." Pre-Trib's say it talks about the day when Jesus comes visibly to judge the wicked.These two phrases "CONCERNING THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM = AS THOUGH THE DAY OF CHRIST HAD COME" These two phrases are both the SAME DAY. PRE-TRIBS say that they are different. Let us look at this closely. I would like to change around the order of these two places in verses 1 and 2.Those who are musicians you will see it makes wonderful music. and it wont eat away at your ear.The two verses will read like this.1. Now, bretheren, AS THOUGH THE DAY OF CHRIST HAD COME, we ask you, 2. not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, CONCERNING THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM "As you can see It did not change the meaning AT ALL. NOT ONE LITTLE INCH. THE MEANING REMAINED THE SAME. It remained the same for only one reason. BOTH OF THOSE PHRASES TALK ABOUT THE ONE AND SAME DAY. THE DAY WHEN JESUS RETURNS!!. Pre-Trib's make Paul look lost, unable to gather his thoughts.....since he began with one thing and ended with a totally different line.....Thessalonians would have been even more confused in the end than in the beginning with THAT kind writing. PAUL was talking about the SAME DAY, just wording was different. We see that more than once in the scripture where it refers to last day. Some of these scriptures are (2nd Thessalonians 2:1,2,3 Hebrews 10:25, Mark 13: 32, Zacharia 14:6, Zephaniah 1:14 and etc.)Paul told the Thessalonians not to be shaken. The Thessalonians did not want to miss God's gathering, they were not awaiting condemnation. He, who believes in Me has eternal life and does not come to be Judged (John 3:18,)So what day does it talk about? it talks about the last day, because A. The church is taken away at that day....the dead who died during the great tribulation.... and those who remain alive will be taken away on the last day. Thessalonians really loved God, yet someone came and started saying things that Jesus already had come, (It talks more about the two people who Paul handed over to satan because they were breaking the faith of many 1st Timothy 1:18-20, 2nd Timothy 2:16-19) PAUL REACTED TO THEM. They talked about that JESUS Already came, and they told the people about the graves that at the time of Jesus's resurrection burst open and many of the SAINTS, went into the city to witness.) These two people were trying to break the faith of those Thessalonians who dearly love God. so Paul wrote being moved by the Holy Spirit to write this letter, not because it was really needed for them, but that GOD knew it would happen in the end and it was written for us. That is why it is said that (2nd Timothy 2:17) that their word WILL spread,... HOW GREAT IS OUR LORD?
HALLELUAH. GOD used those men, the Thessalonians to write for us what will happen so that WE would not be shaken in faith... Praise be to HIM!!!. I will continue on my next entry my alloted time ran out on the computer I need to relog in.
BRB GOD BLESS YOU CHILDREN OF GOD!!!
I would like to continue writing as I am back now again.
Praise God!!!2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verses 1-2 where it talks about coming of Jesus Christ."CONCERNING THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM"= "AS THOUGH THE DAY OF CHRIST HAD COME" as I wrote in the previous post. How many of you have $100's in your pockets?? I just want to talk to you about the security on a dollar. The one hundred dollar bill has 8 security measures on them to prevent counterfeiting, or copying of the dollar bill. Making something false look really real. It is Satan's tactic. Always to copy what God does only to destroy us. Make it look like it is God's way where in fact it is devil's way. One fine line between this is where the devil went into Peter, a disciple of Jesus Christ, and used his feelings, his emotions, to tell Jesus " Jesus let this not be so with you, be merciful to yourself, do not do this" (Do not do what? go on Cross?? I PRAISE GOD HE DID!!! WE CAN LIVE BECAUSE OF JESUS). do you see what feelings he had for Jesus. It was not love, but it really came close to love. This rapture teaching is exact same thing. It is almost a copy, but it is a lie. PRE-RAPTURIST say that GOD will spare the righteouss from the wickedness by taking them away (rapture VOILA!) and they will not endure any suffering, and if they will it will may only be a little little bit, WHILE GOD'S GOAL IS TO GET THE BRIDE PREPARED) (MATTHEW 16:21-23)APOSTOL PAUL IN VERSE 2 WROTE2. not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, EITHER BY SPIRIT OR BY WORD OR BY LETTER, AS IF FROM US, as though the day of Christ had come. What was done here was counterfeit measures are being placed in these verses that do not allow them to be shaken.(so that we would not be shaken in mind or troubled, we have a beautiful compass which points us in the right direction)EITHER BY THE SPIRIT-what does it mean by the spirit. I won't go into greek, or any other one. SO NO PROPHESY, VISION, DREAM, TRANCE. DO NOT BE SHAKEN BY THE SPIRIT.EITHER BY THE WORD-NO PASTOR who says something different, no book that writes something else than what is written here in this chapter. DO NOT TAKE THIS INTO CONTEXT VERSE 3 FORBIDS IT TO BE DONE SO. No one who says beautiful words lines them up that they sound really soft,(lovely by the way) do not be shaken away from the faith. WORD OF THE PRESIDENT, WORD OF THE ANGEL, WORD OF ANYONE must not shake you.EITHER BY LETTER, AS IF FROM USWOW PAUL!! YOU ARE EXCLUDING YOURSELF NOW!!. Paul excluded himself in this line and the verse 3rd. HOLY SPIRIT MOVED PAUL TO WRITE THESE LINES FOR US!! THEY ARE COUNTERFEIT MEASURES AGAINST SATAN'S EVIL PLOT THAT HE planned out for a long two thousand years through the translations and all those things that people get confused in. NO LETTER.Anyone who writes anything different from what is written in Verse 3 and lower is a deceiver.PEOPLE WRITE LETTERS, Internet Entry's (By the way what I am writing is also included here), JOURNAL'S or BOOKS.VERSE NUMBER 3. THE UNBREAKABLE FOUNDATION3. LET NO ONE deceive you BY ANY MEANS; FOR THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNLESS the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,Let us continue to examine this verse..LET NO ONE (ME, MY DAD, PREACHER, PASTOR, APOSTOL, PROPHET, SUPERINTENDENT, EVANGELIST, TEACHER, THE GREAT OF GREAT MEN, THE WISEST, I know I did not add many here, but feel free to add yourself here is a line for your name ______________) LET NO ONE (How much simpler can you put the word of God than THAT?) (let no one do what? DECEIVE YOU.... Deceive you of what? about what?) I will get back to it after this next part.let no one deceive you IN ANY WAY:IN ANY WAY: let's put it this way, If everyone agrees unanimously that something that is lower here is not right and they will change the order and say "WE ALL AGREED THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY" then you say NO because the word of God said "do not let anyone decieve you in ANY WAY: I want to expound that a little more. NOT BY MEANS OF WORDSNOT BY MEANS OF INTERNETNOT BY MEANS OF WISE LOGICS, THOUGHTS, OR THEORIESNOT BY MEANS OF FEELINGSNOT BY MEANS OF LOGISTICSNOT BY MEANS OF CONTEXT (I mean context that means DO NOT USE other verse of the Bible here in this verse, IT FORBIDS YOU TO DO SO,) SAYS IN ANY WAY.NOT BY MEANS OF GREEK LANGUAGE, HEBREW LANGUAGE, RUSSIAN (which is the language I speak with my dad at home and at the church I go to) or any other language in the world. NOT BY MEANS OF TRANSLATIONSNOT BY MEANS OF AGREEMENTS, EVEN IF UNANIMOUS.NOT BY MEANS OF ANY OTHER VERSES IN ENTIRE BIBLE. AND IF I LEFT SOMETHING OUT WHICH I AM SURE I DID ADD HERE_______________________ WOW (talk about all the caps here, no worries I am not screaming or anything, I am just so so so so excited, cause word of GOD FIres me up)LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU IN ANY WAY: let us look deceive us of WHAT.VERSE 3 continous to say: FOR THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNLESS THE FALLING AWAY COMES FIRST, AND THE MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED, THE SON OF PERDITION,1. FALLING AWAY (COMES FIRST)2. THE MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED (ANTICHRIST) THE SON OF PERDITION,3. JESUS CHRIST WILL RETURN AND KILL HIM WITH HIS APPEREANCE Picture a safe where jewels are stored, or where banks keep their money. How many locks do they have? one? door lock? or do they have those steel doors heavy alarms and tons of security guards. Picture a safe with 3 LOCKS AND A BIG BIG WIDE WHEEL IN THE MIDDLE)THE 3 LOCKS ARENEITHER BY SPIRITNEITHER BY WORDNEITHER BY LETTER, AS IF FROM USTHE DOOR HANDLE -the BIG one in the middle that you turn clockwise or counterclockwise.NO ONE BY ANY MEANS. =SO WHAT do you start with? and Who do you start with? Let us not get lost, God's word is clear like light...the rapture theory is so dark and confusing and twisted...that people get lost in that maze of lies and argue about lies they do not know that are lies and are fooled.THOSE WHO TEACH THE RAPTURE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY ABOUT JESUS CHRIST COMING BEFORE THE TRIBULATION IN THE MIDDLE ARE DECEIVERS AND ARE LIARS. (PS. do not blame me I said that, look at verse 3... THE WORD OF GOD SAYS SO I have nothing to do with that
) LET US STAND TOGETHER BROTHERS AND SISTERS!! GOD'S WORD IS UNSHAKABLE AND HE LOVES US!!! HE GAVE US THE WAY
. WE CAN NOW USE THIS FOUNDATION TO STAND STRONG UNTIL JESUS COMES. LET US CLEANSE AND BE PURE FOR WE ARE THE BRIDE OF CHRIST, AND HE IS COMING SOON. GOD BLESS YOU ALL! I will be back tomorrow to continue farther in the chapter God Willing.AS FOR NOW STAY STRONG BROTHERS FOR THE ONE WHO IS IN US STRONGER THAN THE ONE WHO IS IN THE WORLD HALLELUAH!!!
Ok, I dont agree with the pretrib/rapture teachings. But why are so many Christians truly upset about this- I mean..its going to be proven in the end.
(Red_Letters88;41057)
Ok, I dont agree with the pretrib/rapture teachings. But why are so many Christians truly upset about this- I mean..its going to be proven in the end.
Ya, it will be proven in the end. But at what cost? 1 John says we are to walk in TRUTH...truth is not limited to whether or not we personally sin but also if we allow the word of God to be twisted and perverted. I am not willing to keep my mouth shut about an untruth because I may think that it is not such a bad thing. But a house divided will not stand. If there is a lie being taught in a house of God, if that lie is not expelled, that house will fall for we cannot serve two masters.So to say it will all pan out and doesn't matter it someone believes in a false teaching is nothing short of tolerance and complacency...it is denial of the true Gospel and it is teaching a false Christ. We can paint it any color we want, but once the truth is even slightly changed it is still a LIE. God's word is BLACK and WHITE.that's why
Ok, I dont agree with the pretrib/rapture teachings. But why are so many Christians truly upset about this- I mean..its going to be proven in the end.
Ya, it will be proven in the end. But at what cost? 1 John says we are to walk in TRUTH...truth is not limited to whether or not we personally sin but also if we allow the word of God to be twisted and perverted. I am not willing to keep my mouth shut about an untruth because I may think that it is not such a bad thing. But a house divided will not stand. If there is a lie being taught in a house of God, if that lie is not expelled, that house will fall for we cannot serve two masters.So to say it will all pan out and doesn't matter it someone believes in a false teaching is nothing short of tolerance and complacency...it is denial of the true Gospel and it is teaching a false Christ. We can paint it any color we want, but once the truth is even slightly changed it is still a LIE. God's word is BLACK and WHITE.that's why
(Jackie D;41061)
Ya, it will be proven in the end. But at what cost? 1 John says we are to walk in TRUTH...truth is not limited to whether or not we personally sin but also if we allow the word of God to be twisted and perverted. I am not willing to keep my mouth shut about an untruth because I may think that it is not such a bad thing. But a house divided will not stand. If there is a lie being taught in a house of God, if that lie is not expelled, that house will fall for we cannot serve two masters.So to say it will all pan out and doesn't matter it someone believes in a false teaching is nothing short of tolerance and complacency...it is denial of the true Gospel and it is teaching a false Christ. We can paint it any color we want, but once the truth is even slightly changed it is still a LIE. God's word is BLACK and WHITE.that's why
Yeah I see it. and i agree. Sometimes I feel like we just put too much focus on the "meat" and not enough of the "milk" for all of the lost.
Ya, it will be proven in the end. But at what cost? 1 John says we are to walk in TRUTH...truth is not limited to whether or not we personally sin but also if we allow the word of God to be twisted and perverted. I am not willing to keep my mouth shut about an untruth because I may think that it is not such a bad thing. But a house divided will not stand. If there is a lie being taught in a house of God, if that lie is not expelled, that house will fall for we cannot serve two masters.So to say it will all pan out and doesn't matter it someone believes in a false teaching is nothing short of tolerance and complacency...it is denial of the true Gospel and it is teaching a false Christ. We can paint it any color we want, but once the truth is even slightly changed it is still a LIE. God's word is BLACK and WHITE.that's why
Yeah I see it. and i agree. Sometimes I feel like we just put too much focus on the "meat" and not enough of the "milk" for all of the lost.
(Red_Letters88;41066)
Yeah I see it. and i agree. Sometimes I feel like we just put too much focus on the "meat" and not enough of the "milk" for all of the lost.
And in most cases I cannot disagree. However, it is many of the lost that are being taught these fallacies, and it is being done by those who have been "found" yet take delight in the evil of a lie and spread it like the plague. And unfortunately this particular LIE has invaded the churches so deeply it has become doctrine and is being fed to the lost as part of the milk. Tim LaHaye spread this lie throughout the world in his left behind series...in fact if we did a survey I would lay odds that we would find that many after those books were put on the shelves came to the Lord believing that they would be taken out of here before things got bad. Taking complete focus off of the purpose of the church and its function. It would only serve to assume that those who have come to the Lord by this means are either completely confused and flailing like fish out of water in their walks or they have become so disenchanted by the church that they have left all together.After all what is the purpose of the enemy? to kill, steal and destroy...
Yeah I see it. and i agree. Sometimes I feel like we just put too much focus on the "meat" and not enough of the "milk" for all of the lost.
And in most cases I cannot disagree. However, it is many of the lost that are being taught these fallacies, and it is being done by those who have been "found" yet take delight in the evil of a lie and spread it like the plague. And unfortunately this particular LIE has invaded the churches so deeply it has become doctrine and is being fed to the lost as part of the milk. Tim LaHaye spread this lie throughout the world in his left behind series...in fact if we did a survey I would lay odds that we would find that many after those books were put on the shelves came to the Lord believing that they would be taken out of here before things got bad. Taking complete focus off of the purpose of the church and its function. It would only serve to assume that those who have come to the Lord by this means are either completely confused and flailing like fish out of water in their walks or they have become so disenchanted by the church that they have left all together.After all what is the purpose of the enemy? to kill, steal and destroy...
(Red_Letters88;41057)
Ok, I dont agree with the pretrib/rapture teachings. But why are so many Christians truly upset about this- I mean..its going to be proven in the end.
Ecellent work AleksThe problem here Red is Satan is the father of Lies he is coming claming to be christ We are told he will perform miracles he will mimick christ he is the great pretender. Copying christ in as many ways as possable.A great delusion like the World has never seen.So how are we to know who the fake is if he looks like christif he talks like christif he performs miracles like christif the Jews accept him as a messiahif he brings the world peace and safteyIt even says he comes from heaven as a bolt of lightningHow are we to know this not Christ??? Only one way look to scripture What does it say it says Satan/antichrist comes first in the 5th/6th trump it also says Christ will not return until the last 7th trump and that upon his return we will changed (transfigered into spirit bodies to gather to him for flesh and blood can not enter heavenSo if pre-trib teaches that some are taken before the 7th trump they will be fooled into thinking the fake one that comes first is the true christ So they by preaching and believing this are misleading others to believe the fake is the real this is why its Satans lie he is making believers focus on being first rather than as scripture Blessed are those who wait. Wait !!!!for what?? the true coming at the 7th trump.Luke 21 list the things that will happen at the End of this age 17And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. believers will hated so how can they be gone as pretribbers teach 18But there shall not an hair of your head perish. He promises we will be protected so why must we be taken away 19In your patience possess ye your souls. patience preserves your soul or waiting on the Lord till the End is whst saves you not flying otta here these things are also written Mark and Mathew never once does he say get ready to fly away or be caught up anywhere he says wait, we will be, protected here on earthWhat he says thought the scriptures is Antichrist, Satan, that man of lawlesness, that son of perdition, that is the devil himself will come first pretending to be me he is the Antichrist
Ok, I dont agree with the pretrib/rapture teachings. But why are so many Christians truly upset about this- I mean..its going to be proven in the end.
Ecellent work AleksThe problem here Red is Satan is the father of Lies he is coming claming to be christ We are told he will perform miracles he will mimick christ he is the great pretender. Copying christ in as many ways as possable.A great delusion like the World has never seen.So how are we to know who the fake is if he looks like christif he talks like christif he performs miracles like christif the Jews accept him as a messiahif he brings the world peace and safteyIt even says he comes from heaven as a bolt of lightningHow are we to know this not Christ??? Only one way look to scripture What does it say it says Satan/antichrist comes first in the 5th/6th trump it also says Christ will not return until the last 7th trump and that upon his return we will changed (transfigered into spirit bodies to gather to him for flesh and blood can not enter heavenSo if pre-trib teaches that some are taken before the 7th trump they will be fooled into thinking the fake one that comes first is the true christ So they by preaching and believing this are misleading others to believe the fake is the real this is why its Satans lie he is making believers focus on being first rather than as scripture Blessed are those who wait. Wait !!!!for what?? the true coming at the 7th trump.Luke 21 list the things that will happen at the End of this age 17And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. believers will hated so how can they be gone as pretribbers teach 18But there shall not an hair of your head perish. He promises we will be protected so why must we be taken away 19In your patience possess ye your souls. patience preserves your soul or waiting on the Lord till the End is whst saves you not flying otta here these things are also written Mark and Mathew never once does he say get ready to fly away or be caught up anywhere he says wait, we will be, protected here on earthWhat he says thought the scriptures is Antichrist, Satan, that man of lawlesness, that son of perdition, that is the devil himself will come first pretending to be me he is the Antichrist
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