Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

gadar perets · May 19, 2018

"ByGrace" said:
The ten are "within" the two.

Because, if we truly LOVE, all the ten will BE fulfilled ..because we keep His will because we love...not to earn His approval. We alerady have that "in Christ".

Not that you can see this. Far deeper than a "superficial understanding "..it is Spiritual understanding.

Of course the Ten are within the two. You are correct that if we "truly LOVE", all Ten will be fulfilled. What you don't understand is that when people break the Ten, it shows THEY DON"T TRULY LOVE. Do you truly love if you steal from your neighbor? No. Do you truly love if you worship another God besides Yeshua's Father, Almighty YHWH? No. Do you truly love if you trample on the holy Sabbath Day? No. You deceive yourself.

gadar perets · May 19, 2018

GerhardEbersoehn said:
A miss is as good - or rather bad - as a miss by a million miles. The bullet travels all round the world and hits you down flat.

Was this supposed to be helpful? Perhaps if you stop replying in veiled terms to everyone (not just me) and state what you disagree with, we can understand your points better.

gadar perets · May 19, 2018

GerhardEbersoehn said:
Yes, I am not surprised that you, will disagree with Matthew 22:36-40 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: "'Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

According to Jesus, however, He meant and included "ALL the commandments". Who do you think you are?

The problem is, you are so intent on opposing everything I write that you will even distort the correct things I write in order to discredit me and exalt yourself. I was not disagreeing with Matthew 22:36-40. I live by those words. I was disagreeing with Nancy's use of that passage to refute Andres' post about the Sabbath command being the longest and most important of the Ten. She thought he was referring to ALL the commandments, but he was only referring to the Ten. So when I wrote, "I believe he was referring to the Ten Commandments ...", the word "he" referred to Andre. However, you misunderstood me to refer to "Jesus". Typical considering your heart towards me, a fellow Sabbath keeper.

gadar perets · May 19, 2018

GerhardEbersoehn said:
Or must I be yours? Forget what I wrote; I said I doubt if you ever will come to see the facts of Scripture.

You really mean, "I said I doubt if you ever will come to see the "facts" of Scripture according to GerhardEbersoehn."

Truth7t7 is new to this thread. Why do you cast doubts on his spirituality and ability to learn what Scriptures teach? That is your self-exaltation rising up again.

GerhardEbersoehn · May 19, 2018

gadar perets said:
The problem is, you are so intent on opposing everything I write that you will even distort the correct things I write in order to discredit me and exalt yourself. I was not disagreeing with Matthew 22:36-40. I live by those words. I was disagreeing with Nancy's use of that passage to refute Andres' post about the Sabbath command being the longest and most important of the Ten. She thought he was referring to ALL the commandments, but he was only referring to the Ten. So when I wrote, "I believe he was referring to the Ten Commandments ...", the word "he" referred to Andre. However, you misunderstood me to refer to "Jesus". Typical considering your heart towards me, a fellow Sabbath keeper.

Here is my apology... in your words,
Q~The problem is, you are so intent on opposing everything I write that you will even distort the correct things I write in order to discredit me and exalt yourself. I was not disagreeing with Matthew 22:36-40. I live by those words. I was disagreeing with Nancy's use of that passage to refute Andres' post about the Sabbath command being the longest and most important of the Ten. She thought he was referring to ALL the commandments, but he was only referring to the Ten. So when I wrote, "I believe he was referring to the Ten Commandments ...", the word "he" referred to Andre. However, you misunderstood me to refer to "Jesus". Typical considering your heart towards me, a fellow Sabbath keeper.~Q

No need for one word from me.

GerhardEbersoehn · May 19, 2018

gadar perets said:
You really mean, "I said I doubt if you ever will come to see the "facts" of Scripture according to GerhardEbersoehn."

Truth7t7 is new to this thread. Why do you cast doubts on his spirituality and ability to learn what Scriptures teach? That is your self-exaltation rising up again.

While 7t7 has come to this thread, he must be old and big enough to stand up for himself.

GerhardEbersoehn · May 19, 2018

gadar perets said:
I believe he was referring to the Ten Commandments, not ALL the commandments. You do realize that those two commandments are not part of the Ten, don't you?

Nancy said: ↑
I would have to disagree with this statement simply because:
Matthew 22:36-40 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: "'Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Therefore, '~All the Law and the Prophets~' which '~hang on these two commandments~', according to Gadar Perets, do "~not...refer to...ALL the commandments~".

gadar perets said:
She thought he was referring to ALL the commandments, but he was only referring to the Ten.

For sobbing my pillow wet...

Andre · May 19, 2018

Wow! I'm surprised. I'm new to this sight and thought I would get some Christian fellowship. Instead, so far I've seen nothing but disparaging remarks and hostility. No thanks.

Andre · May 19, 2018

GerhardEbersoehn said:
As Dead Bread would have said, That is drivel. SDA drivel. In fact anti-Christ drivel!

Wow! Thanks for the vote of confidence. It's the first time a "Christian" has insinuated that I am anti-Christ. Shame on you.

Nancy · May 19, 2018

GerhardEbersoehn said:
"ByGrace" said: ↑
As Jesus is our Sabbath Rest...it does not matter a hill of beans.

It's not simplicity; it is sottishness. Imagine your Jesus being your Sabbath!

"Jesus is our REST -Sabbath...He sat down at the Fathers right hand after He proclaimed..."It Is Done."
The key to understanding how Jesus is our Sabbath rest is the Hebrew word "sabat", which means "to rest or stop or cease from work".

-Heb. 4:9“There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his” (Hebrews 4:9-10)

Helen · May 19, 2018

Andre said:
Wow! I'm surprised. I'm new to this sight and thought I would get some Christian fellowship. Instead, so far I've seen nothing but disparaging remarks and hostility. No thanks.

Then why don't you stop reading the stupid mindless threads and read some other threads....or start a new thread on whatever your heart is interested in?

Welcome to the Site.

There are lots of good people on this site...you just fell in with the wrong group.

Helen · May 19, 2018

Nancy said:
"Jesus is our REST -Sabbath...He sat down at the Fathers right hand after He proclaimed..."It Is Done."
The key to understanding how Jesus is our Sabbath rest is the Hebrew word "sabat", which means "to rest or stop or cease from work".

-Heb. 4:9“There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his” (Hebrews 4:9-10)

Brave girl...

But just be careful which children you hang out with and play with.

gadar perets · May 19, 2018

First, the Hebrew word is "shabbat", not "sabat". Second, Yeshua is our spiritual rest from bearing the burden of our sin, but he is NOT our physical rest from physical labor. We are to cease from physical labor on the 7th day just as Yeshua did and just as our Creator did when He rested from His work. If we choose to work on the 7th day, we pollute the holiness of it. Or are you under the belief that our Creator removed its sanctity and blessing and made it just like any other day? If so, please show us the verse where He did that.

Nancy · May 19, 2018

"ByGrace" said:
Brave girl...
But just be careful which children you hang out with and play with.

Lol...still learning the atmosphere here, I'll know when I am over my head

Nancy · May 19, 2018

gadar perets said:
First, the Hebrew word is "shabbat", not "sabat". Second, Yeshua is our spiritual rest from bearing the burden of our sin, but he is NOT our physical rest from physical labor. We are to cease from physical labor on the 7th day just as Yeshua did and just as our Creator did when He rested from His work. If we choose to work on the 7th day, we pollute the holiness of it. Or are you under the belief that our Creator removed its sanctity and blessing and made it just like any other day? If so, please show us the verse where He did that.

Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

Matthew 12:11-12
He said to them, “Which one of you who has a sheep, if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

Mark 2:27-28
And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Colossians 2:16
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

Luke 13:10-17
Now he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. And there was a woman who had had a disabling spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not fully straighten herself. When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said to her, “Woman, you are freed from your disability.” And he laid his hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and she glorified God. But the ruler of the synagogue, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, said to the people, “There are six days in which work ought to be done. Come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day.” ...

Mark 2:23-28
One Sabbath he was going through the grainfields, and as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck heads of grain. And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. ...

John 9:16
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others said, “How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?” And there was a division among them.

Mark 2:28
So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Nancy · May 19, 2018

gadar perets said:
So what are you suggesting? That we don't keep any commandments at all? If not, then how do we decide which commandments to keep?

Are Gentile converts expected to keep the Ten Commandments?

What does that mean to you? To me it means if you truly love your neighbor, you will not commit adultery with his wife or steal from him ... It means if you truly love YHWH, you will not commit idolatry or worship graven images or take His name in vain or pollute His holy Sabbath Day ...

Being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2 Cor.3:3
2 Corinthians 3:6 6He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant-not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Romans 7:10 " I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death."
"What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, 'You shall not covet.' (8) But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead." (Romans 7:7-8)."

So then, you still think you can "keep" the Law?? Ha! Only a perfect human could have done that and He already did. Grace is what I live under. Jesus living through me, the Spirit living in me...it removes any and all "work" based ideas. Sin should no longer fit us as New creations...it is not who we are and, God wrote His LAWS on the lining of our hearts so we will walk by the Spirit willingly and from the heart not because - WE BETTER, OR ELSE!!!! Jesus broke all chains, His burden is light...

gadar perets · May 19, 2018

Nancy said:
Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

Matthew 12:11-12
He said to them, “Which one of you who has a sheep, if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

We can't do good on the Sabbath if it no longer exists.

Mark 2:27-28

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And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Is the Son of Man the Lord of something that no longer exists?

Colossians 2:16

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Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

"No one", in this verse, refers to the deceivers of verses 4,8, and 18 that were judging the Colossians regarding the things mentioned in verse 16. They had been imposing their man-made commandments and traditions upon the Colossians. Paul told them not to allow any unbelievers to judge them concerning those matters. Only the Body of Messiah (the Church) is permitted to make such judgments. This passage is proof that the Colossians were keeping the Feasts, New Moons and Sabbaths.

Luke 13:10-17

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Now he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. And there was a woman who had had a disabling spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not fully straighten herself. When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said to her, “Woman, you are freed from your disability.” And he laid his hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and she glorified God. But the ruler of the synagogue, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, said to the people, “There are six days in which work ought to be done. Come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day.” ...

Yeshua taught that it was lawful to heal people on the Sabbath contrary to the erroneous, legalistic Jewish belief that it was unlawful. This passage does not teach us the Sabbath is abolished, changed or fulfilled. It teaches us it is acceptable in YHWH's sight to heal on the Sabbath as per Yeshua's example. Again, health and life take precedence over the Sabbath.

Mark 2:23-28

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One Sabbath he was going through the grainfields, and as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck heads of grain. And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. ...

Again, health and life take precedence over the Sabbath. In other words, anything that saves a person's life or health is permissible to do on the Sabbath even if it is considered work. Mowing your lawn or working at your secular job is not permissible work unless you are a nurse, doctor, etc.

John 9:16

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Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others said, “How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?” And there was a division among them.

Yeshua NEVER broke the Sabbath. If he had, it would have been sin. Since Yeshua was sinless, he never broke the Sabbath. He did break the man made rules the Jews imposed on the Sabbath like, "Thou shalt not heal on the Sabbath".

Mark 2:28

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So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

I addressed this above, but I'll repeat it here; Is the Son of Man the Lord of something that no longer exists? If there is no more Sabbath, then there is no need for a Lord over it.

I admonish you to stop thinking like a lawless Christian and start thinking like a child of YHWH who loves His laws and knows they were given to us for our good because He loves us.

gadar perets · May 19, 2018

Nancy said:
Being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2 Cor.3:3
2 Corinthians 3:6 6He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant-not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

So tell me Nancy, are you now permitted to steal, commit adultery, idolatry, covet, bear false witness, etc. because you interpret this verse to mean there is no more "letter of the law"? The letter without the Spirit kills. It is the Spirit that empowers us to keep the letter.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Romans 8:6-7 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The carnal mind cannot and will not subject itself to the Law of God, but the spiritual mind will. Which mind do you have?

Romans 7:10 " I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death."
"What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, 'You shall not covet.' (8) But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead." (Romans 7:7-8)."

Yes, it is futile to attempt to obey the Law of YHWH without the indwelling Holy Spirit as the Israelites proved over and over again. As I showed above, it is the indwelling Spirit that empowers us to live a victorious life over sin by obeying the Law. Yes, we may fail to obey occasionally, but that is our own fault by failing to walk in the Spirit at any given moment. It is the Spirit that leads us to obey and our flesh that leads us to disobey. Yeshua always allowed the Spirit to lead which is why he was totally victorious over sin by obeying every command of YHWH.

So then, you still think you can "keep" the Law?? Ha! Only a perfect human could have done that and He already did. Grace is what I live under. Jesus living through me, the Spirit living in me...it removes any and all "work" based ideas. Sin should no longer fit us as New creations...it is not who we are and, God wrote His LAWS on the lining of our hearts so we will walk by the Spirit willingly and from the heart not because - WE BETTER, OR ELSE!!!! Jesus broke all chains, His burden is light...

How can you say "God wrote His LAWS on the lining of our hearts" and yet break His laws daily? Why do you need grace if there is no work that you fail to do? If there is no "work based ideas", then why did Paul say we were ordained to walk in good works (Ephesians 2:10)? Why will the "works" of believers follow them after death (Revelation 14:13)? In fact, why do those same believers in Rev 14:13 "rest from their labors"? Weren't they "resting in Christ"? Why were they laboring? Didn't they know they did not have to "work" anymore?

GerhardEbersoehn · May 19, 2018

gadar perets said:
g the longest and most important of the Ten. She thought he was referring to ALL the commandments, but he was only referring to the Ten. So when I wrote, "I believe he was referring to the Ten Commandments

Nancy said:
Lol...still learning the atmosphere here, I'll know when I am over my head

I like your white dove avator very, very much! My daughter's africanis which she, as big as her one paw now, saved in the middle of the highway high traffic in burnt earth Zululand, just maggots and ticks and scrab. She has the dearest, identical, snow white dove landing midair centre on her blackish brindle chest. Never loved we any dog like we love her. Wonderful gift, we all are sure, of God's goodness and love. What a joy has she become in our lives. Thank you Lord Jesus for having saved Frieda for us especially. I love her!

GerhardEbersoehn · May 20, 2018

Matthew 12:11-12
He said to them, “Which one of you who has a sheep, if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

gadar perets said:
We can't do good on the Sabbath if it no longer exists.

A void blacker and emptier than Hasting's black holed sky. That poor man had a better faith than this.

But see Jesus Christ IN HIS OWN WORDS? The blind shall be blinder still!

No! Jesus can be a lamb, a sheep, but not an ox? Even less, a donkey!?

AND THE SABBATH THE DAY GOD WORKED TO THE UTTER LIMITS OF HIS MIGHTY POWER TO RAISE HIM FROM THE PIT AND REVIVE HIM WITH THE WATER OF LIFE?

That is blasphemy!

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