HOW DO WE PROVOKE A JEW[ OR HEBREW ] TO JEALOUSY

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Romans 10:19-21
19- But I Say, did Israel not know? First Moses says; " I will provoke you to Jealousy by those who are not a Nation,/ I will move you to Anger by a foolish nation."
20- But Isaiah is very bold and says; "I was found by those who did not seek Me;/ I was made Manifest to those who did not Ask for Me
21- But to Israel he Says; 'All day long I have stretched out My Hands/ To a disobedient and Contrary people."
Romans 11:11 - I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to Provoke them to Jealousy, Salvation [ has come] to the Gentiles. ]has come] is in Italics.
Romans 11:14 If by any means I may Provoke to Jealousy those who are My flesh [Jews] and Save some of them.

I asked this Question to another Member, with no response.
Is there any evidence that we have at all provoked any Jews to Jealousy?
 
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Come on People dose anyone at least have an OPINION, We as Gentile believers are supposed to Make Jew's Jealous, and even Angry!!!
 

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Provoking Israel to jealousy was for a time past that ended about 1950 years ago. It's purpose (as were the Gifts of the Spirit) was to help entice Israel to repent and accept Christ. Christ said He would not return until Israel accepted Him - Mt23:39, Acts 3:19-21, etc. Therefore, the ONLY purpose of the Acts period was to convert Israel. It certainly was NOT to form a church.

Israel was set aside and ceased to exist in about 63AD, for not accepting Christ, when Paul pronounced the curse of Isa 6:9-10 upon them, in Ac 28:25-27, for the 7th and last time in scripture, and they were fully blinded. Then, in Ac 28:28, the Salvation of God was taken from Israel and given to the Gentiles. There is no Israel today, in God's eyes. Everyone today comes to God as an individual. Israel will be back, though, when this 2000 year Gentile period is over, in about 2063. When Israel was set aside, everything associated with Israel was also set aside, like the Acts church, the Gifts, the rapture, you name it, it's all gone. The brand new church is found only in Paul's 7 books written after Acts - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon. In those books, you will find that we members of this new church are the only people in the Bible that have ever had a calling of going to Heaven.

Paul is the only apostle to the Gentiles and is the last word as far as you Gentiles are concerned. Paul, as it says in scripture, continually received new revelations from the Lord throughout his ministry (search for "revelation" in all his 13 books). Therefore, his last words, chronologically, are the most important, up-to-date words. His post-Acts books are his final words. The Word fulfil means complete or fill full - see Strong's. Paul's new dispensation, found only in his post-Acts books, completed God's word to His human creation, at least for now.
Col 1:25
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Since the Gentiles in the Acts church were partaking of Israel's blessings and since they were grafted onto Israel, the good olive tree, the church in Acts was all Israel. During Acts, everything of importance belonged to Israel, Rom 9:4. Now, the Gentiles have everything and Israel has nothing of her own. Those that want to spend eternity in Heaven must eliminate everything in Acts, the Gospels, etc., from their doctrine, as far as their calling, hope, rules, and directions pertaining to these things, and focus on SEEING their truth for today, found ONLY in Paul's post-Acts books. This is what rightly dividing (correctly cutting, correctly dissecting) God's word is all about in 2Tim 2:15 - separating the parts of God's word that don't apply to you today from that that does apply directly TO you today. In that verse, it says those those who correctly cut God's word are approved by God and have no need to feel ashamed. God has a totally different future planned for Israel than He does for us Gentiles and right division is the ONLY way you'll be able to SEE it.

The greatest failure of ALL mainstream denominational churches, is the failure to rightly divide and separate God's word to Israel from His word to Gentiles. As a result, a Denominational church basically a Jewish synagogue that teaches doctrine given only to Israel, to unsuspecting Gentile. These churches generally do a pretty good job of getting people saved. However, if you want to know your future, you'll never find it listening to a denominational preacher. Only those people that obey right division have a knowledge of what the New Testament is all about, and that's why He approves of those that rightly divide God's Word. Mainstream denominational preachers certainly don't fit in that category.

Note that right division doesn't mean that those other 59 books are eliminated from our library. God forbid!! It means that, if we want to find out what God's present plan is, for us Gentiles, the only place we'll find it is in Paul's 7 books written after Acts. Except for that, everything else in those other 59 books is vital for us to know, if we want to understand God's ways and His grand plan.
 
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Come on People dose anyone at least have an OPINION, We as Gentile believers are supposed to Make Jew's Jealous, and even Angry!!!

As the wise saying goes...
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt." :D

Im not brave enough even for an "opinion". :)
Im just watching this thread so I can learn the wisdom of others. LOL
 
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I actually don't know any Jews.
If anyone I know is a Jew, ...then I am not aware of it.
 
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The greatest failure of ALL mainstream denominational churches, is the failure to rightly divide and separate God's word to Israel from His word to Gentiles.
I do not Agree with your statement separating God's Word to the two groups of people, here we are in this two Gospels, Jesus preached to the people of Israel, and Paul preached to the Gentiles. Two different Gospels. God gave his word to Israel First, and through Our Savior God opened the door to the Gentile's.
 

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Wow ! looks like a debate has aged you, looking at your Avatar-lol
Well there is some evidence if one know's where to look in recent History!
I want to leave that for a while, because I would rely like to read other's thought on this OK.
But thank you for your response.
 
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I actually don't know any Jews.
If anyone I know is a Jew, ...then I am not aware of it.

Well I have had the pleasure to study under Jew's! Some that have excepted our Savior, and a couple that have not, sadly some people rebuke me for even trusting a Jew that has yet to convert, there are some Jew's out there that just want the Truth, able to teach thing's that we will never find in our local church's, and they put aside their staunch Jewish attitude. I have met Jew's that, as soon as they understand that I believe in Our Savior, they just walk away, like I am a stench.
But I started this thread just to get thought's and Opinion's
Matthew 13:53 - Then He said to them, "Therefore every Scribe instructed Concerning the Kingdom of Heaven is like a Householder who bring's Out of His Treasure Thing's New and Old!!!
Scribe - A Scholar of the Old Testament, and if this Scribe excepts the instruction concerning the Kingdom of Heaven then He can reveal thing's New [to us from the Old]
 
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Romans 10:19-21
19- But I Say, did Israel not know? First Moses says; " I will provoke you to Jealousy by those who are not a Nation,/ I will move you to Anger by a foolish nation."
20- But Isaiah is very bold and says; "I was found by those who did not seek Me;/ I was made Manifest to those who did not Ask for Me
21- But to Israel he Says; 'All day long I have stretched out My Hands/ To a disobedient and Contrary people."
Romans 11:11 - I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to Provoke them to Jealousy, Salvation [ has come] to the Gentiles. ]has come] is in Italics.
Romans 11:14 If by any means I may Provoke to Jealousy those who are My flesh [Jews] and Save some of them.

I asked this Question to another Member, with no response.
Is there any evidence that we have at all provoked any Jews to Jealousy?

The fact that Gentiles have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour provokes the Jews. Why? Because they rejected Jesus Christ. .

Stranger
 

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I do not Agree with your statement separating God's Word to the two groups of people, here we are in this two Gospels, Jesus preached to the people of Israel, and Paul preached to the Gentiles. Two different Gospels. God gave his word to Israel First, and through Our Savior God opened the door to the Gentile's.

If you disagree, put up some scriptures and prove I'm wrong.

I'm not talking about dividing between the Jews and Gentiles during Acts. I'm talking about dividing the brand new Gentile church in Paul's 7 post-Acts books, which has a hope of Heaven, to the same place where Christ now sits at the right hand of God, from the all-Jewish church in Acts, which has a hope of the New Jerusalem, which is not Heaven. Just the difference in the hopes, Heaven vs the New Jerusalem, both of which are easily proven. should make any truthseeker perk up and listen. When the absolute #1 biggest thing, the hopes, are different, everything about the two has to be different. At the very end of Acts, Israel was set aside and has not existed, in God's eyes, for 1950 years. At that point, everything associated with Israel, such as the Acts church, the Gifts, and the rapture, ceased to exist.

During Acts, the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Christ preached while on earth, was preached to both Jews, by the 12 and Paul, and Gentiles, by Paul. The Gentiles in Acts were not really Gentiles. Since all saved Gentiles were grafted into Israel, they were part of the Israel program. The purpose during Acts was not to start a church - God forbid! The #1 sole purpose was to entice Israel to repent and accept Christ. This was the sole purpose of the Gifts (Israel required a sign) and allowing Gentiles into the Jewish church, so they would provoke Israel to jealousy and maybe provoke them to convert. Had Israel converted during the Gospels or Acts, the New Heavens and New Earth would now be about 1000 years old.
I'm not talking about dividing between the Jews and during Acts. I'm talking about dividing the brand new Gentile church in Paul's 7 post-Acts books, which has a hope of Heaven, to the same place where Christ now sits at the right hand of God, from the all-Jewish church in Acts, which has a hope of the New Jerusalem, which is not Heaven. Just the difference in the hopes, Heaven vs the New Jerusalem, both of which are easily proven. should make any truthseeker perk up and listen. When the absolute #1 biggest thing, the hopes, are different, everything about the two has to be different.

During Acts, the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Christ preached while on earth, was preached to both Jews, by the 12 and Paul, and Gentiles, by Paul. The Gentiles in Acts were not really Gentiles. Since all saved Gentiles were grafted into Israel, they were part of the Israel program. The purpose during Acts nd the Gospels was not to start a church - God forbid! The #1 sole purpose was to entice Israel to repent and accept Christ. This was the sole purpose of the Gifts (Israel required a sign) and allowing Gentiles into the Jewish church, so they would provoke Israel to jealousy and maybe provoke them to convert. Had Israel converted during the Gospels or Acts, the New Heavens and New Earth would now be about 1000 years old.
 
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The fact that Gentiles have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour provokes the Jews. Why? Because they rejected Jesus Christ. .

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I've always wondered the same thing. Maybe it's because the scumbag, rock-worshipping, infidel, Gentile dogs are getting into an assembly where the calling is to the most wonderful heavenly city, while we're stuck here on the crummy earth. Although it doesn't say, some Jews probably converted because of this. Also, it was prophesied in Deut 32:21. EVERYTHING done during Acts was done to help convert Israel, since Christ said in Mt23:39 (also see Acts 3:19-21) that He wouldn't return until they accepted Him.

Israel doesn't exist today, as far as God is concerned, and won't exist again until this present 2000 years Gentile period is over. It started in about 63AD, so. my guess is that we Gentiles in the after-Acts church will be in Heaven and Israel will be back on the scene about 2063. Since all prophecy involves Israel and, since there has been no Israel, no prophecy has been fulfilled since 70 AD, when the temple was destroyed. I know, I know, 1948. That could very well have been an Illuminati thing, or whatever, and have nothing to do with God. There is absolutely no proof it was from God. Just a lot of wishful thinking and the making a mountain out of a molehill. Sort of like the non-existent proof that the rapture involves Christ taking a huge quantity of people to heaven, whose calling is the New Jerusalem, NOT HEAVEN. Bet God won't be too happy when they show up.
 
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