One of the better explantions of 1 Thess 4 I've seen I hope you read and learn what Gods word really says about these veres some mislead claim these verses prove their Pre trib Rapture theroy they do nothing of the kind.Lie ......................................................................1 Thess 4, 13 - But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.The word "asleep" in the Greek is "koimao", and it means "to die." Paul (by the Holy Spirit) was telling them, don't be like the heathen, or even the Sadducees who mourn as though they are never going to see their loved ones again. These did not believe in the after life. This is the subject of this Scripture. When some people are teaching the Rapture they leave out this verse, which is the subject. When you are studying the Bible it is absolutely essential that you first identify the subject. Without it you will be completely confused, and God is not the author of confusion.1 Thess 4, 14 - For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.Those who have already died will come with Jesus when He returns. Because as He died and rose again, and ascended into heaven, so did they. They are already with Him. Our God is the God, not of the dead, but of the living. This is the subject. Where the dead are. 1 Thess 4, 15 - For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent them which are asleep.The word "remain" in the Greek is "perileipo", and it means "to survive, and remain". Survive what? The great tribulation of the Anti Christ, who deceives the whole world, even the very elect, ifthat were possible. Remain where? Here. That's what the word "remain" means, to stay put. The word "prevent" is "phthano", and it means "to precede". We who remain cannot precede thosewhich are asleep because they have already died, and are with Christ already. 1 Thess 4, 16 - For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Jesus will return at the 7th trump. The 7th is the final trump. Its all over. Rev 11, 15. He is going to descend, that means come down here. He is coming here, bringing those who have already died. And those who have survived shall remain here. 1 Thess 4, 17 - Then we which are alive, and remain, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. "Then we which are alive and remain", There it is again, "remain,". And we shall remain in the field doing the Lords' work. Then we read "caught up together with them in the clouds," the word "caught" in the Greek is "harpazo" and it means "to seize, catch, pluck, pull, take by force," to understand this we must read on. "With them in the clouds", is a term Paul used meaning a large group of people. Remember the subject. Where the dead are. Paul spoke colloquial Greek, which is "street Greek", and used common sayings.Example, Heb 12, 1 - " Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses". Then we read "to meet the Lord in the air", the word "air" in the original Greek is "aer" and it means "to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by anal. to blow." "To meet the Lord in to breathe"?At first glance this may not seem to make any sense, but it does. Now I am going to take you on a little journey through Scripture, and when we are done you will know what many Christians do not know. Genesis 1, 2 - And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.The word "Spirit"in the Hebrew is "ruwach", and it means "wind; by resemblance breathe, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; fig. life." Genesis 2, 7 - And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.The word "breathed" in the original Hebrew is "naphach", and it means "to puff, inflate, blow hard, scatter, kindle, expire."The word "breath" in the same line is "neshamah", and it means "a puff, i.e. wind, angry or vital breath,divine inspiration, intellect. or (concr.) an animal:- blast, (that) breath (-eth,), inspiration, soul, spirit." Acts 2, 1 - And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.2 - And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.3 - And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.4 - And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.The word "mighty" in the Greek is "biaios", and it means "violent: - mighty."The word "wind" in the Greek is "pnoe", and it means "respiration, a breeze:-breath,wind."The word "Holy" in the Greek is "hagios", and it means "sacred."The word "Ghost" in the Greek is "pneuma", and it means "a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze." This is where we get our word pneumonia, which is a breathing disorder. The word "Spirit" in the Greek is "pneuma", same as "Ghost" above.Now when this "mighty wind" or "violent breath" took the Apostles by force did any of them go flying up in the air? No. For years I had always wondered "what was the Holy Spirit?" Some people have turned the Holy Spirit into some hocus pocus nonsense. Even playing oneupmanship, they would say "Do you have the Holy Spirit?, I have the Holy Spirit!" When people would say such things I honestly didn't know what they were talking about. And I am convinced that neither did they. The Holy Spirit is simply the Breath of God. You may have already known this, if not, now you know. What do you do when you are speaking? You are breathing. And God said, "Let there be light:", And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness:" When God speaks His Word, He is Breathing. This is the Holy Spirit. Jesus is The Word of God. When He comes back, (7th trump)we will be taken, caught up with the saints, in the "Holy Spirit", and so shall we ever be with the Lord. That's what 1 Thessalonians 4 was saying. And that was at the end of the Scripture, which was actually about, where the dead are. This Scripture has been tossed around, and taken out of context as much as any has.If you read it in the Greek, which you must, it is crystal clear. If you beleive that we are going to be flying around up in the air, as in atmosphere, where the birds fly, then you must beleive that you are going to stay there forever. Because thats what it says in the English. and why would we be going up when Jesus is coming down here? And this will take place after the tribulation, as it states in Matthew 24, 29-30. Some people thought Paul was saying that Jesus was coming back. He was not. And Paul himself cleared up this confusion by writing a Second Letter to the Thessalonians, where in Chapter 2, he warns us, the church, that Jesus cannot come back until the Fake Christ, the Anti-Christ (who is Satan) comes first and deceives the whole world that he is the real one. And when the whole world, including the Christians, is worshiping the False Christ, then and only then will Jesus come back. Matt 24, 19 - "And woe unto them who are with child." This means you were not faithful to your bridegroom. You didn't wait. Remember St. Paul said in II Corinthians 11, 2-3 - "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." The word "beguiled" in the Greek is "exapatao", and it means "to seduce wholly". The simplicity that is in Christ. Amen. Jesus is The Word of God. It is written. Follow Me. Study, to shew thyself approved unto God. And let no man deceive you. Keep The FaithYours in Jesus Christ,Gospel According to John 20, 21-22 - Then said Jesus to them again, "Peace be unto you: as My Father hath sent Me, even so send I you."And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and saith unto them, "Receive ye the Holy Ghost
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One of the better explantions of 1 Thess 4 I've seen I hope you read and learn what Gods word really says about these veres some mislead claim these verses prove their Pre trib Rapture theroy they do nothing of the kind.Lie ......................................................................1 Thess 4, 13 - But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.The word "asleep" in the Greek is "koimao", and it means "to die." Paul (by the Holy Spirit) was telling them, don't be like the heathen, or even the Sadducees who mourn as though they are never going to see their loved ones again. These did not believe in the after life. This is the subject of this Scripture. When some people are teaching the Rapture they leave out this verse, which is the subject. When you are studying the Bible it is absolutely essential that you first identify the subject. Without it you will be completely confused, and God is not the author of confusion.1 Thess 4, 14 - For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.Those who have already died will come with Jesus when He returns. Because as He died and rose again, and ascended into heaven, so did they. They are already with Him. Our God is the God, not of the dead, but of the living. This is the subject. Where the dead are. 1 Thess 4, 15 - For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent them which are asleep.The word "remain" in the Greek is "perileipo", and it means "to survive, and remain". Survive what? The great tribulation of the Anti Christ, who deceives the whole world, even the very elect, ifthat were possible. Remain where? Here. That's what the word "remain" means, to stay put. The word "prevent" is "phthano", and it means "to precede". We who remain cannot precede thosewhich are asleep because they have already died, and are with Christ already. 1 Thess 4, 16 - For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Jesus will return at the 7th trump. The 7th is the final trump. Its all over. Rev 11, 15. He is going to descend, that means come down here. He is coming here, bringing those who have already died. And those who have survived shall remain here. 1 Thess 4, 17 - Then we which are alive, and remain, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. "Then we which are alive and remain", There it is again, "remain,". And we shall remain in the field doing the Lords' work. Then we read "caught up together with them in the clouds," the word "caught" in the Greek is "harpazo" and it means "to seize, catch, pluck, pull, take by force," to understand this we must read on. "With them in the clouds", is a term Paul used meaning a large group of people. Remember the subject. Where the dead are. Paul spoke colloquial Greek, which is "street Greek", and used common sayings.Example, Heb 12, 1 - " Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses". Then we read "to meet the Lord in the air", the word "air" in the original Greek is "aer" and it means "to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by anal. to blow." "To meet the Lord in to breathe"?At first glance this may not seem to make any sense, but it does. Now I am going to take you on a little journey through Scripture, and when we are done you will know what many Christians do not know. Genesis 1, 2 - And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.The word "Spirit"in the Hebrew is "ruwach", and it means "wind; by resemblance breathe, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; fig. life." Genesis 2, 7 - And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.The word "breathed" in the original Hebrew is "naphach", and it means "to puff, inflate, blow hard, scatter, kindle, expire."The word "breath" in the same line is "neshamah", and it means "a puff, i.e. wind, angry or vital breath,divine inspiration, intellect. or (concr.) an animal:- blast, (that) breath (-eth,), inspiration, soul, spirit." Acts 2, 1 - And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.2 - And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.3 - And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.4 - And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.The word "mighty" in the Greek is "biaios", and it means "violent: - mighty."The word "wind" in the Greek is "pnoe", and it means "respiration, a breeze:-breath,wind."The word "Holy" in the Greek is "hagios", and it means "sacred."The word "Ghost" in the Greek is "pneuma", and it means "a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze." This is where we get our word pneumonia, which is a breathing disorder. The word "Spirit" in the Greek is "pneuma", same as "Ghost" above.Now when this "mighty wind" or "violent breath" took the Apostles by force did any of them go flying up in the air? No. For years I had always wondered "what was the Holy Spirit?" Some people have turned the Holy Spirit into some hocus pocus nonsense. Even playing oneupmanship, they would say "Do you have the Holy Spirit?, I have the Holy Spirit!" When people would say such things I honestly didn't know what they were talking about. And I am convinced that neither did they. The Holy Spirit is simply the Breath of God. You may have already known this, if not, now you know. What do you do when you are speaking? You are breathing. And God said, "Let there be light:", And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness:" When God speaks His Word, He is Breathing. This is the Holy Spirit. Jesus is The Word of God. When He comes back, (7th trump)we will be taken, caught up with the saints, in the "Holy Spirit", and so shall we ever be with the Lord. That's what 1 Thessalonians 4 was saying. And that was at the end of the Scripture, which was actually about, where the dead are. This Scripture has been tossed around, and taken out of context as much as any has.If you read it in the Greek, which you must, it is crystal clear. If you beleive that we are going to be flying around up in the air, as in atmosphere, where the birds fly, then you must beleive that you are going to stay there forever. Because thats what it says in the English. and why would we be going up when Jesus is coming down here? And this will take place after the tribulation, as it states in Matthew 24, 29-30. Some people thought Paul was saying that Jesus was coming back. He was not. And Paul himself cleared up this confusion by writing a Second Letter to the Thessalonians, where in Chapter 2, he warns us, the church, that Jesus cannot come back until the Fake Christ, the Anti-Christ (who is Satan) comes first and deceives the whole world that he is the real one. And when the whole world, including the Christians, is worshiping the False Christ, then and only then will Jesus come back. Matt 24, 19 - "And woe unto them who are with child." This means you were not faithful to your bridegroom. You didn't wait. Remember St. Paul said in II Corinthians 11, 2-3 - "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." The word "beguiled" in the Greek is "exapatao", and it means "to seduce wholly". The simplicity that is in Christ. Amen. Jesus is The Word of God. It is written. Follow Me. Study, to shew thyself approved unto God. And let no man deceive you. Keep The FaithYours in Jesus Christ,Gospel According to John 20, 21-22 - Then said Jesus to them again, "Peace be unto you: as My Father hath sent Me, even so send I you."And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and saith unto them, "Receive ye the Holy Ghost
----------------------------------------------------------------------[1] you said Remain in 1Thess 4:15. Means to "survive, remain". The Greek meanig is, "Left, remain". To say "Survive the tribulatin" Is only your thoughts and not Biblical.[2] The 7th trumpet.Acording to Greek scholers, The last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15: 52. Has no connection with the 7 Trumpets in Revelation 8.Even the Mid-tribers have gone before the first trumpet has sounded, so how can the tumpet in 1 Cor 15: 52. be connected.[3] there is no dead saints gathering and meeting the saints at the mid-trib rapture, All are taken alive. Also there is no meeting Jesus in the air in the mid-trib rapture.[4] You said, "To meet the Lord in the air", The Greek word "Air" is [Aer ] and means, Breath.The Greek word is "Aer" but it means "The atmosphere"Acts 22: 23. 1 Corinthians 9: 26. Ephesians 2: 2. Revelation 9: 2. Revelation 16: 17. All prove this.You also said, "Fying around the atmsphere"The Bible says we will be in heaven with the Lord.Matthew 25: 1--10, having the marriage. Revelation 19.How can the christians be down here or flying around when they will be in heaven.[5] All the saints will be coming with Jesus when he comes. So how can we be still on earth.Deuteronomy 33: 2. Daniel 7: 10. Zechariah 14: 5. 1 Thessalonians 2: 19. 1 Tessalonions 3: 13.How many of His Saints, "ALL His Saints". Revelation 19: 4.[6] The coming of the Lord is in two parts. part one. His coming for the pre-trib saints. Part two His second coming.[7] the truth about 2 Thessalonians 2: 3: & 6--8.v3. "This day will not come except there be a falling away first, and that the man of sin be revealed"[A] The word "Falling away" in the Greek word "Aspostasia" means "A departing"I will quote the Greek." The word [Apostasia], "Falling away", Although it doesn't exactly mean that It is made up of two words, Apo, and histemi. making "Aphistemi". The word "Apo" means, [Away, depart, to take away]. And the word "Histemi" means, To [place], The whole meaning is, "To take away, to place away, to depart".If you read the verse again you will notice, It doesn't say, [There will be a departing frome the faith]. That is only what people thought it meant. once the Church has gone,Then the anti christ can come.V 6. "We know what is withholdeth [Holding back] the "ant-Christ" from being reveald.v7."For the mystery of lawlessness and wickedness is already working, only he [The Church] that now letteth "Holds him back", will let, "Hold him back", until he [The Church] is taken "The rapture" out of the way".v8. "And then shall the wicked [anti-christ] be revealed.[8] you said Christians will worship the any-Christ.How can that be, if we were still down here the anti-christ will be no match for us, [In Christ].Ephesians 5: 25. Says, Jesus is coming back for a glorious church. "Doing mighty works of power and outstanding miracles, a people with the character and power of Jesus".1 John 3: 2, "When Jesus comes, we shall be like Him".We are being conformed into the same image as Jesus, Romans 8: 29.The Greek says, "Not just like Him, but as He is, Re-presenting Him", The devil could not handle one Jesus, how is he going to deal with millions of people just like Jesus. The greater one is in us.
One of the better explantions of 1 Thess 4 I've seen I hope you read and learn what Gods word really says about these veres some mislead claim these verses prove their Pre trib Rapture theroy they do nothing of the kind.Lie ......................................................................1 Thess 4, 13 - But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.The word "asleep" in the Greek is "koimao", and it means "to die." Paul (by the Holy Spirit) was telling them, don't be like the heathen, or even the Sadducees who mourn as though they are never going to see their loved ones again. These did not believe in the after life. This is the subject of this Scripture. When some people are teaching the Rapture they leave out this verse, which is the subject. When you are studying the Bible it is absolutely essential that you first identify the subject. Without it you will be completely confused, and God is not the author of confusion.1 Thess 4, 14 - For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.Those who have already died will come with Jesus when He returns. Because as He died and rose again, and ascended into heaven, so did they. They are already with Him. Our God is the God, not of the dead, but of the living. This is the subject. Where the dead are. 1 Thess 4, 15 - For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent them which are asleep.The word "remain" in the Greek is "perileipo", and it means "to survive, and remain". Survive what? The great tribulation of the Anti Christ, who deceives the whole world, even the very elect, ifthat were possible. Remain where? Here. That's what the word "remain" means, to stay put. The word "prevent" is "phthano", and it means "to precede". We who remain cannot precede thosewhich are asleep because they have already died, and are with Christ already. 1 Thess 4, 16 - For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Jesus will return at the 7th trump. The 7th is the final trump. Its all over. Rev 11, 15. He is going to descend, that means come down here. He is coming here, bringing those who have already died. And those who have survived shall remain here. 1 Thess 4, 17 - Then we which are alive, and remain, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. "Then we which are alive and remain", There it is again, "remain,". And we shall remain in the field doing the Lords' work. Then we read "caught up together with them in the clouds," the word "caught" in the Greek is "harpazo" and it means "to seize, catch, pluck, pull, take by force," to understand this we must read on. "With them in the clouds", is a term Paul used meaning a large group of people. Remember the subject. Where the dead are. Paul spoke colloquial Greek, which is "street Greek", and used common sayings.Example, Heb 12, 1 - " Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses". Then we read "to meet the Lord in the air", the word "air" in the original Greek is "aer" and it means "to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by anal. to blow." "To meet the Lord in to breathe"?At first glance this may not seem to make any sense, but it does. Now I am going to take you on a little journey through Scripture, and when we are done you will know what many Christians do not know. Genesis 1, 2 - And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.The word "Spirit"in the Hebrew is "ruwach", and it means "wind; by resemblance breathe, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; fig. life." Genesis 2, 7 - And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.The word "breathed" in the original Hebrew is "naphach", and it means "to puff, inflate, blow hard, scatter, kindle, expire."The word "breath" in the same line is "neshamah", and it means "a puff, i.e. wind, angry or vital breath,divine inspiration, intellect. or (concr.) an animal:- blast, (that) breath (-eth,), inspiration, soul, spirit." Acts 2, 1 - And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.2 - And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.3 - And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.4 - And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.The word "mighty" in the Greek is "biaios", and it means "violent: - mighty."The word "wind" in the Greek is "pnoe", and it means "respiration, a breeze:-breath,wind."The word "Holy" in the Greek is "hagios", and it means "sacred."The word "Ghost" in the Greek is "pneuma", and it means "a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze." This is where we get our word pneumonia, which is a breathing disorder. The word "Spirit" in the Greek is "pneuma", same as "Ghost" above.Now when this "mighty wind" or "violent breath" took the Apostles by force did any of them go flying up in the air? No. For years I had always wondered "what was the Holy Spirit?" Some people have turned the Holy Spirit into some hocus pocus nonsense. Even playing oneupmanship, they would say "Do you have the Holy Spirit?, I have the Holy Spirit!" When people would say such things I honestly didn't know what they were talking about. And I am convinced that neither did they. The Holy Spirit is simply the Breath of God. You may have already known this, if not, now you know. What do you do when you are speaking? You are breathing. And God said, "Let there be light:", And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness:" When God speaks His Word, He is Breathing. This is the Holy Spirit. Jesus is The Word of God. When He comes back, (7th trump)we will be taken, caught up with the saints, in the "Holy Spirit", and so shall we ever be with the Lord. That's what 1 Thessalonians 4 was saying. And that was at the end of the Scripture, which was actually about, where the dead are. This Scripture has been tossed around, and taken out of context as much as any has.If you read it in the Greek, which you must, it is crystal clear. If you beleive that we are going to be flying around up in the air, as in atmosphere, where the birds fly, then you must beleive that you are going to stay there forever. Because thats what it says in the English. and why would we be going up when Jesus is coming down here? And this will take place after the tribulation, as it states in Matthew 24, 29-30. Some people thought Paul was saying that Jesus was coming back. He was not. And Paul himself cleared up this confusion by writing a Second Letter to the Thessalonians, where in Chapter 2, he warns us, the church, that Jesus cannot come back until the Fake Christ, the Anti-Christ (who is Satan) comes first and deceives the whole world that he is the real one. And when the whole world, including the Christians, is worshiping the False Christ, then and only then will Jesus come back. Matt 24, 19 - "And woe unto them who are with child." This means you were not faithful to your bridegroom. You didn't wait. Remember St. Paul said in II Corinthians 11, 2-3 - "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." The word "beguiled" in the Greek is "exapatao", and it means "to seduce wholly". The simplicity that is in Christ. Amen. Jesus is The Word of God. It is written. Follow Me. Study, to shew thyself approved unto God. And let no man deceive you. Keep The FaithYours in Jesus Christ,Gospel According to John 20, 21-22 - Then said Jesus to them again, "Peace be unto you: as My Father hath sent Me, even so send I you."And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and saith unto them, "Receive ye the Holy Ghost
----------------------------------------------------------------------[1] you said Remain in 1Thess 4:15. Means to "survive, remain". The Greek meanig is, "Left, remain". To say "Survive the tribulatin" Is only your thoughts and not Biblical.[2] The 7th trumpet.Acording to Greek scholers, The last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15: 52. Has no connection with the 7 Trumpets in Revelation 8.Even the Mid-tribers have gone before the first trumpet has sounded, so how can the tumpet in 1 Cor 15: 52. be connected.[3] there is no dead saints gathering and meeting the saints at the mid-trib rapture, All are taken alive. Also there is no meeting Jesus in the air in the mid-trib rapture.[4] You said, "To meet the Lord in the air", The Greek word "Air" is [Aer ] and means, Breath.The Greek word is "Aer" but it means "The atmosphere"Acts 22: 23. 1 Corinthians 9: 26. Ephesians 2: 2. Revelation 9: 2. Revelation 16: 17. All prove this.You also said, "Fying around the atmsphere"The Bible says we will be in heaven with the Lord.Matthew 25: 1--10, having the marriage. Revelation 19.How can the christians be down here or flying around when they will be in heaven.[5] All the saints will be coming with Jesus when he comes. So how can we be still on earth.Deuteronomy 33: 2. Daniel 7: 10. Zechariah 14: 5. 1 Thessalonians 2: 19. 1 Tessalonions 3: 13.How many of His Saints, "ALL His Saints". Revelation 19: 4.[6] The coming of the Lord is in two parts. part one. His coming for the pre-trib saints. Part two His second coming.[7] the truth about 2 Thessalonians 2: 3: & 6--8.v3. "This day will not come except there be a falling away first, and that the man of sin be revealed"[A] The word "Falling away" in the Greek word "Aspostasia" means "A departing"I will quote the Greek." The word [Apostasia], "Falling away", Although it doesn't exactly mean that It is made up of two words, Apo, and histemi. making "Aphistemi". The word "Apo" means, [Away, depart, to take away]. And the word "Histemi" means, To [place], The whole meaning is, "To take away, to place away, to depart".If you read the verse again you will notice, It doesn't say, [There will be a departing frome the faith]. That is only what people thought it meant. once the Church has gone,Then the anti christ can come.V 6. "We know what is withholdeth [Holding back] the "ant-Christ" from being reveald.v7."For the mystery of lawlessness and wickedness is already working, only he [The Church] that now letteth "Holds him back", will let, "Hold him back", until he [The Church] is taken "The rapture" out of the way".v8. "And then shall the wicked [anti-christ] be revealed.[8] you said Christians will worship the any-Christ.How can that be, if we were still down here the anti-christ will be no match for us, [In Christ].Ephesians 5: 25. Says, Jesus is coming back for a glorious church. "Doing mighty works of power and outstanding miracles, a people with the character and power of Jesus".1 John 3: 2, "When Jesus comes, we shall be like Him".We are being conformed into the same image as Jesus, Romans 8: 29.The Greek says, "Not just like Him, but as He is, Re-presenting Him", The devil could not handle one Jesus, how is he going to deal with millions of people just like Jesus. The greater one is in us.
Alan wrote
[2] The 7th trumpet.Acording to Greek scholers, The last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15: 52. Has no connection with the 7 Trumpets in Revelation 8.
If it is the last trump then there has to be other trumps sounding before this one. can you show us these other trumps and what symbolics they have. I fail too see this trump in any other light other than those seven trumps in Rev.Kevin
[2] The 7th trumpet.Acording to Greek scholers, The last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15: 52. Has no connection with the 7 Trumpets in Revelation 8.
If it is the last trump then there has to be other trumps sounding before this one. can you show us these other trumps and what symbolics they have. I fail too see this trump in any other light other than those seven trumps in Rev.Kevin
(Alanforchrist;40682)
----------------------------------------------------------------------[1] you said Remain in 1Thess 4:15. Means to "survive, remain". The Greek meanig is, "Left, remain". To say "Survive the tribulatin" Is only your thoughts and not Biblical.Wrong the overcomers are all the Elect and are the partakers of the first resurrection[2] The 7th trumpet.Acording to Greek scholers, The last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15: 52. Has no connection with the 7 Trumpets in Revelation 8.Even the Mid-tribers have gone before the first trumpet has sounded, so how can the tumpet in 1 Cor 15: 52. be connected.According to Gods book and the rules of interptation they are the 7 trumps of rev. again you follow men not God[3] there is no dead saints gathering and meeting the saints at the mid-trib rapture, All are taken alive. Also there is no meeting Jesus in the air in the mid-trib rapture.The saints are already with God have you not read they cry out from under the alter in heaven How long Oh Lord[4] You said, "To meet the Lord in the air", The Greek word "Air" is [Aer ] and means, Breath.The Greek word is "Aer" but it means "The atmosphere"Acts 22: 23. 1 Corinthians 9: 26. Ephesians 2: 2. Revelation 9: 2. Revelation 16: 17. All prove this.You also said, "Fying around the atmsphere"The Bible says we will be in heaven with the Lord.Matthew 25: 1--10, having the marriage. Revelation 19.How can the christians be down here or flying around when they will be in heaven.Flesh and blood can not enter heaven [5] All the saints will be coming with Jesus when he comes. So how can we be still on earth.Deuteronomy 33: 2. Daniel 7: 10. Zechariah 14: 5. 1 Thessalonians 2: 19. 1 Tessalonions 3: 13.How many of His Saints, "ALL His Saints". Revelation 19: 4.Get this through your head you are not the Saints The saints were the true believers that died for the Lord in his name not a bunch of lack faith fly me out here babies looking for the easy way out that you teach lies of men started by a crazy girl. They are with God already if you think this milk toast men following church of Amos 8:11 are the saints you are sorley mistaken with mis put arrogance [6] The coming of the Lord is in two parts. part one. His coming for the pre-trib saints. Part two His second coming.Again not writtten ONE SECOND COMING in Gods Word this is Satan lie on men and your falling for it hook line and sinker [7] the truth about 2 Thessalonians 2: 3: & 6--8.v3. "This day will not come except there be a falling away first, and that the man of sin be revealed"[A] The word "Falling away" in the Greek word "Aspostasia" means "A departing"I will quote the Greek." The word [Apostasia], "Falling away", Although it doesn't exactly mean that It is made up of two words, Apo, and histemi. making "Aphistemi". The word "Apo" means, [Away, depart, to take away]. And the word "Histemi" means, To [place], The whole meaning is, "To take away, to place away, to depart".If you read the verse again you will notice, It doesn't say, [There will be a departing frome the faith]. That is only what people thought it meant. once the Church has gone,Then the anti christ can come.V 6. "We know what is withholdeth [Holding back] the "ant-Christ" from being reveald.v7."For the mystery of lawlessness and wickedness is already working, only he [The Church] that now letteth "Holds him back", will let, "Hold him back", until he [The Church] is taken "The rapture" out of the way".v8. "And then shall the wicked [anti-christ] be revealed.Again you are completly wrong this is not what God says if you had any idea what you were talking about the falling away is the aspostacy part of what you are doing with this doctrine of men the main part is Anti christ coming claiming to be Christ it is even written as far back as Genesis thats Gods plan your trying to change to fit the ideas of men the pre- rapture theroy I repeat Theroy because even the experts agree its not written although you claim to see what the experts do not. Is not Gods Word its Satan work THERE IS ONLY GATHERING TO THE LORD AND IT IS THE 7TH TRUMP if you want to believe its is before then you are playing right into Satan arms why because you refuse to hear your father over men.[8] you said Christians will worship the any-Christ.How can that be, if we were still down here the anti-christ will be no match for us, [In Christ].Ephesians 5: 25. Says, Jesus is coming back for a glorious church. "Doing mighty works of power and outstanding miracles, a people with the character and power of Jesus".1 John 3: 2, "When Jesus comes, we shall be like Him".We are being conformed into the same image as Jesus, Romans 8: 29.The Greek says, "Not just like Him, but as He is, Re-presenting Him", The devil could not handle one Jesus, how is he going to deal with millions of people just like Jesus. The greater one is in us.
How is it possable for Christains to follow anti christ because of people just like you and others that propel lies of these men that there is a secret pre- trib rapture instead telling people how to put on their spiritual armour and what will really happen so they can be prepared and know the enemy they tell lies and say, "oh dont worry about God foretelling us all things" ignore God men have said hes wrong, follow our theroy after all it came from a girl so she must be holier than God It is you following these men and this doctrine that will lead our brothers and sisters to Antichrist and you will pay all will be judged harsely by God for their lies God SAYS I WILL COME AT THE 7TH TRUMP AND ALL THAT OVER COME ARE BLESSED AND WILL TAKE PART IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION ALL WILL BE CHANGED INTO SPIRT BODIES AT HIS COMING IN GLORY AT THE LAST TRUMP BLESSED ARE THOSE THAT STAY IN FIELD (WORLD) WORKING FOR THE EVIL ANGLES WILL FIRST GATHER THE TARES do not be part of being harvested out of season that is first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------[1] you said Remain in 1Thess 4:15. Means to "survive, remain". The Greek meanig is, "Left, remain". To say "Survive the tribulatin" Is only your thoughts and not Biblical.Wrong the overcomers are all the Elect and are the partakers of the first resurrection[2] The 7th trumpet.Acording to Greek scholers, The last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15: 52. Has no connection with the 7 Trumpets in Revelation 8.Even the Mid-tribers have gone before the first trumpet has sounded, so how can the tumpet in 1 Cor 15: 52. be connected.According to Gods book and the rules of interptation they are the 7 trumps of rev. again you follow men not God[3] there is no dead saints gathering and meeting the saints at the mid-trib rapture, All are taken alive. Also there is no meeting Jesus in the air in the mid-trib rapture.The saints are already with God have you not read they cry out from under the alter in heaven How long Oh Lord[4] You said, "To meet the Lord in the air", The Greek word "Air" is [Aer ] and means, Breath.The Greek word is "Aer" but it means "The atmosphere"Acts 22: 23. 1 Corinthians 9: 26. Ephesians 2: 2. Revelation 9: 2. Revelation 16: 17. All prove this.You also said, "Fying around the atmsphere"The Bible says we will be in heaven with the Lord.Matthew 25: 1--10, having the marriage. Revelation 19.How can the christians be down here or flying around when they will be in heaven.Flesh and blood can not enter heaven [5] All the saints will be coming with Jesus when he comes. So how can we be still on earth.Deuteronomy 33: 2. Daniel 7: 10. Zechariah 14: 5. 1 Thessalonians 2: 19. 1 Tessalonions 3: 13.How many of His Saints, "ALL His Saints". Revelation 19: 4.Get this through your head you are not the Saints The saints were the true believers that died for the Lord in his name not a bunch of lack faith fly me out here babies looking for the easy way out that you teach lies of men started by a crazy girl. They are with God already if you think this milk toast men following church of Amos 8:11 are the saints you are sorley mistaken with mis put arrogance [6] The coming of the Lord is in two parts. part one. His coming for the pre-trib saints. Part two His second coming.Again not writtten ONE SECOND COMING in Gods Word this is Satan lie on men and your falling for it hook line and sinker [7] the truth about 2 Thessalonians 2: 3: & 6--8.v3. "This day will not come except there be a falling away first, and that the man of sin be revealed"[A] The word "Falling away" in the Greek word "Aspostasia" means "A departing"I will quote the Greek." The word [Apostasia], "Falling away", Although it doesn't exactly mean that It is made up of two words, Apo, and histemi. making "Aphistemi". The word "Apo" means, [Away, depart, to take away]. And the word "Histemi" means, To [place], The whole meaning is, "To take away, to place away, to depart".If you read the verse again you will notice, It doesn't say, [There will be a departing frome the faith]. That is only what people thought it meant. once the Church has gone,Then the anti christ can come.V 6. "We know what is withholdeth [Holding back] the "ant-Christ" from being reveald.v7."For the mystery of lawlessness and wickedness is already working, only he [The Church] that now letteth "Holds him back", will let, "Hold him back", until he [The Church] is taken "The rapture" out of the way".v8. "And then shall the wicked [anti-christ] be revealed.Again you are completly wrong this is not what God says if you had any idea what you were talking about the falling away is the aspostacy part of what you are doing with this doctrine of men the main part is Anti christ coming claiming to be Christ it is even written as far back as Genesis thats Gods plan your trying to change to fit the ideas of men the pre- rapture theroy I repeat Theroy because even the experts agree its not written although you claim to see what the experts do not. Is not Gods Word its Satan work THERE IS ONLY GATHERING TO THE LORD AND IT IS THE 7TH TRUMP if you want to believe its is before then you are playing right into Satan arms why because you refuse to hear your father over men.[8] you said Christians will worship the any-Christ.How can that be, if we were still down here the anti-christ will be no match for us, [In Christ].Ephesians 5: 25. Says, Jesus is coming back for a glorious church. "Doing mighty works of power and outstanding miracles, a people with the character and power of Jesus".1 John 3: 2, "When Jesus comes, we shall be like Him".We are being conformed into the same image as Jesus, Romans 8: 29.The Greek says, "Not just like Him, but as He is, Re-presenting Him", The devil could not handle one Jesus, how is he going to deal with millions of people just like Jesus. The greater one is in us.
How is it possable for Christains to follow anti christ because of people just like you and others that propel lies of these men that there is a secret pre- trib rapture instead telling people how to put on their spiritual armour and what will really happen so they can be prepared and know the enemy they tell lies and say, "oh dont worry about God foretelling us all things" ignore God men have said hes wrong, follow our theroy after all it came from a girl so she must be holier than God It is you following these men and this doctrine that will lead our brothers and sisters to Antichrist and you will pay all will be judged harsely by God for their lies God SAYS I WILL COME AT THE 7TH TRUMP AND ALL THAT OVER COME ARE BLESSED AND WILL TAKE PART IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION ALL WILL BE CHANGED INTO SPIRT BODIES AT HIS COMING IN GLORY AT THE LAST TRUMP BLESSED ARE THOSE THAT STAY IN FIELD (WORLD) WORKING FOR THE EVIL ANGLES WILL FIRST GATHER THE TARES do not be part of being harvested out of season that is first.
those who endure to the end shall be saved. Why do people try to refute this very clear and repeated statement?...do some think Christ is kidding about that?
I dont know Jackie D guess they just pick and chose what they want to seeBy the way welcome to CB glad to have aboard
let me know if you need anything
let me know if you need anythingAlan,I see that you asked a lot of good questions, but I have not read any answers to your questions. Did I miss them?
I answerd them in yellow dont know why they got put into the boxAlans is in white my answers in the yellow
Kriss wroteGet this through your head you are not the Saints The saints were the true believers that died for the Lord in his name not a bunch of lack faith fly me out here babies looking for the easy way out that you teach lies of men started by a crazy girl. They are with God already if you think this milk toast men following church of Amos 8:11 are the saints you are sorley mistaken with mis put arrogance Just a quick question, Are you saying the saved in Christ are not saints?
No thats not what I meant but I didnt word it very well Im saying the saints that come with Christ when he returns are the ones that are already with him and cry out from the alter, the saints on earth are the ones that are the true believers that will overcome unto the End. Not these false doctrine believers that wont overcome because they think they are flying away not even enough faith to wait on the Lord like we are told light weight babies that dont trust God but listen to menIt just bothers me that those who will not hear God over Satans lie think they the saints they are the ones giving over power to the wicked one by believing his lies
These are the saints that will be Christ at his coming not these men who follow mens lies, a milk toast luke warm believers that wont even take Gods word over men lies Its the saints under the alter that accompany him Rev 6:9 ¶ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: it is these slain that died for his testomy these are the saints under the alter Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.Do you not get what God says here ? he tells them to wait a little while until their brethren should die for Lord He doesnt say wait a little while till we can fly the people to safety and avoid everything No he says others must be willing and die for me then I will come with great Judgement and it will be fullfilledNO WHERE DOES HE SAY HE IS FLYING AWAY ANY SAINTS,HE SAYS THE SAINTS did and will DIE FOR HIM yet arrogant men claim they are his saints because they believe Satans lies upon men Is one of you pre-tribers asking to stay here and fight Satan and die for Christ ?? Too stand beside the two wittness and do Gods work No you are all saying fly me otta here color me gone,behaving like Wimps, that lack enough faith to be Saints for Lord
Is one of you pre-tribers asking to stay here and fight Satan and die for Christ ?? Too stand beside the two wittness and do Gods work No you are all saying fly me otta here color me gone,behaving like Wimps, that lack enough faith to be Saints for Lord
ouch!Jhn 17:9 "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. Jhn 17:10 "And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. Jhn 17:11 "Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me,[fn2] that they may be one as We are. Jhn 17:12 "While I was with them in the world,[fn3] I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[fn4] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. Jhn 17:13 "But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. Jhn 17:14 "I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Jhn 17:15 "I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. Jhn 17:16 "They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Jhn 17:17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truthh. Jhn 17:18 "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. Christ's prayer over us was probably the biggest factor that changed my view from being a rapture theorist to a true Saint knowing that if I die before the Lord's return at the 7th Trump it will be that I was chosen to endure to the end that which the Lord has placed in front of me.We are NOT told to endure because He intends to relieve us of the very baptism into death as He went. He asked the disciples are you able to be baptized as I am baptized or drink from the cup that I must drink? They all agreed they were able and He agreed that they were and that they would.The baptism of Christ and the cup that He should drink had nothing to do with being dipped in water or having some wine with His friends. A baptism of death and a cup of wrath. Those were what He spoke of....again, why would the Lord take us from the very things He said we would partake of? Makes no logical sense.
ouch!Jhn 17:9 "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. Jhn 17:10 "And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. Jhn 17:11 "Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me,[fn2] that they may be one as We are. Jhn 17:12 "While I was with them in the world,[fn3] I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[fn4] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. Jhn 17:13 "But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. Jhn 17:14 "I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Jhn 17:15 "I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. Jhn 17:16 "They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Jhn 17:17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truthh. Jhn 17:18 "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. Christ's prayer over us was probably the biggest factor that changed my view from being a rapture theorist to a true Saint knowing that if I die before the Lord's return at the 7th Trump it will be that I was chosen to endure to the end that which the Lord has placed in front of me.We are NOT told to endure because He intends to relieve us of the very baptism into death as He went. He asked the disciples are you able to be baptized as I am baptized or drink from the cup that I must drink? They all agreed they were able and He agreed that they were and that they would.The baptism of Christ and the cup that He should drink had nothing to do with being dipped in water or having some wine with His friends. A baptism of death and a cup of wrath. Those were what He spoke of....again, why would the Lord take us from the very things He said we would partake of? Makes no logical sense.
(Jackie D;40766)
those who endure to the end shall be saved. Why do people try to refute this very clear and repeated statement?...do some think Christ is kidding about that?
In order to understand the end times you need to know When Jesus is speaking to the Jews and when He is speaking to the church. when Jesus said "He that shall endure unto the end". In Matt 24; 13. He is talking about the Jews v 22. "Elect". And in luke 21: 34--36. He is talking, to and about the believers. v35, "For as a snare shall come upon all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth"v36, "Whatch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and stand before the son of man".We won't be on the earth during the tribulation, Jesus said we will escape it and stand before the son of man [Jesus].There is going to be a mighty end time revival. Ephesians 5: 27. Says Jesus is coming for a glorious Church, One doing outstanding miracles. James 5: 7, says,There is going to be the early and latter rain, Meaning, "Binging in the end time harvest", Then v 8 says. Be ye patient; "stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord "The rapture" draweth nigh".AS there is going to be a great revival just before Jesus comes it proves that the Church wont be here during the tribulation.
those who endure to the end shall be saved. Why do people try to refute this very clear and repeated statement?...do some think Christ is kidding about that?
In order to understand the end times you need to know When Jesus is speaking to the Jews and when He is speaking to the church. when Jesus said "He that shall endure unto the end". In Matt 24; 13. He is talking about the Jews v 22. "Elect". And in luke 21: 34--36. He is talking, to and about the believers. v35, "For as a snare shall come upon all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth"v36, "Whatch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and stand before the son of man".We won't be on the earth during the tribulation, Jesus said we will escape it and stand before the son of man [Jesus].There is going to be a mighty end time revival. Ephesians 5: 27. Says Jesus is coming for a glorious Church, One doing outstanding miracles. James 5: 7, says,There is going to be the early and latter rain, Meaning, "Binging in the end time harvest", Then v 8 says. Be ye patient; "stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord "The rapture" draweth nigh".AS there is going to be a great revival just before Jesus comes it proves that the Church wont be here during the tribulation.
(kriss;40858)
No thats not what I meant but I didnt word it very well Im saying the saints that come with Christ when he returns are the ones that are already with him and cry out from the alter, the saints on earth are the ones that are the true believers that will overcome unto the End. Not these false doctrine believers that wont overcome because they think they are flying away not even enough faith to wait on the Lord like we are told light weight babies that dont trust God but listen to menIt just bothers me that those who will not hear God over Satans lie think they the saints they are the ones giving over power to the wicked one by believing his lies
the saints on the earth at that time are made up of the backsliders, Matt 25: 11-12. and the people that get saved during the trib
No thats not what I meant but I didnt word it very well Im saying the saints that come with Christ when he returns are the ones that are already with him and cry out from the alter, the saints on earth are the ones that are the true believers that will overcome unto the End. Not these false doctrine believers that wont overcome because they think they are flying away not even enough faith to wait on the Lord like we are told light weight babies that dont trust God but listen to menIt just bothers me that those who will not hear God over Satans lie think they the saints they are the ones giving over power to the wicked one by believing his lies
the saints on the earth at that time are made up of the backsliders, Matt 25: 11-12. and the people that get saved during the trib
(Jackie D;40884)
ouch!Jhn 17:9 "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. Jhn 17:10 "And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. Jhn 17:11 "Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me,[fn2] that they may be one as We are. Jhn 17:12 "While I was with them in the world,[fn3] I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[fn4] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. Jhn 17:13 "But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. Jhn 17:14 "I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Jhn 17:15 "I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. Jhn 17:16 "They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Jhn 17:17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truthh. Jhn 17:18 "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. Christ's prayer over us was probably the biggest factor that changed my view from being a rapture theorist to a true Saint knowing that if I die before the Lord's return at the 7th Trump it will be that I was chosen to endure to the end that which the Lord has placed in front of me.We are NOT told to endure because He intends to relieve us of the very baptism into death as He went. He asked the disciples are you able to be baptized as I am baptized or drink from the cup that I must drink? They all agreed they were able and He agreed that they were and that they would.The baptism of Christ and the cup that He should drink had nothing to do with being dipped in water or having some wine with His friends. A baptism of death and a cup of wrath. Those were what He spoke of....again, why would the Lord take us from the very things He said we would partake of? Makes no logical sense.
If you notice in Revelation, you will find out the the mid-trbers have gone before the 1st trumpet, never mind the seventh.
ouch!Jhn 17:9 "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. Jhn 17:10 "And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. Jhn 17:11 "Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me,[fn2] that they may be one as We are. Jhn 17:12 "While I was with them in the world,[fn3] I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[fn4] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. Jhn 17:13 "But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. Jhn 17:14 "I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Jhn 17:15 "I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. Jhn 17:16 "They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Jhn 17:17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truthh. Jhn 17:18 "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. Christ's prayer over us was probably the biggest factor that changed my view from being a rapture theorist to a true Saint knowing that if I die before the Lord's return at the 7th Trump it will be that I was chosen to endure to the end that which the Lord has placed in front of me.We are NOT told to endure because He intends to relieve us of the very baptism into death as He went. He asked the disciples are you able to be baptized as I am baptized or drink from the cup that I must drink? They all agreed they were able and He agreed that they were and that they would.The baptism of Christ and the cup that He should drink had nothing to do with being dipped in water or having some wine with His friends. A baptism of death and a cup of wrath. Those were what He spoke of....again, why would the Lord take us from the very things He said we would partake of? Makes no logical sense.
If you notice in Revelation, you will find out the the mid-trbers have gone before the 1st trumpet, never mind the seventh.
(Alanforchrist;40896)
In order to understand the end times you need to know When Jesus is speaking to the Jews and when He is speaking to the church. when Jesus said "He that shall endure unto the end". In Matt 24; 13. He is talking about the Jews v 22. "Elect". And in luke 21: 34--36. He is talking, to and about the believers. v35, "For as a snare shall come upon all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth"v36, "Whatch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and stand before the son of man".We won't be on the earth during the tribulation, Jesus said we will escape it and stand before the son of man [Jesus].There is going to be a mighty end time revival. Ephesians 5: 27. Says Jesus is coming for a glorious Church, One doing outstanding miracles. James 5: 7, says,There is going to be the early and latter rain, Meaning, "Binging in the end time harvest", Then v 8 says. Be ye patient; "stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord "The rapture" draweth nigh".AS there is going to be a great revival just before Jesus comes it proves that the Church wont be here during the tribulation.
It proves nothing of the sort Alan...and I do understand about who Christ is speaking to. And though it may seem that in this respect it would be nice to separate the Christian from the Jew in order to serve an agenda to support rapture theories it doesn't cut it in the entire scheme of things. For all of the word of God is for all of His people. So though He may have been speaking to the disciples at the time, they did indeed drink of the same cup and they did partake of the same baptism...as have millions of other Jews and Christians throughout the centuries. I found your first statement to me quite humorous Alan to state that I, in order to understand end times, need to know who Christ was speaking to...that is so funny!! ROFL...have I somehow given you the impression that I am ignorant of the word of God?anyway, be blessed in your quest to be raptured....I would say that it doesn't matter what either of us believe but it does and so I can't use the old standby it'll all pan out and we'll all get there regardless of what we believe.
In order to understand the end times you need to know When Jesus is speaking to the Jews and when He is speaking to the church. when Jesus said "He that shall endure unto the end". In Matt 24; 13. He is talking about the Jews v 22. "Elect". And in luke 21: 34--36. He is talking, to and about the believers. v35, "For as a snare shall come upon all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth"v36, "Whatch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and stand before the son of man".We won't be on the earth during the tribulation, Jesus said we will escape it and stand before the son of man [Jesus].There is going to be a mighty end time revival. Ephesians 5: 27. Says Jesus is coming for a glorious Church, One doing outstanding miracles. James 5: 7, says,There is going to be the early and latter rain, Meaning, "Binging in the end time harvest", Then v 8 says. Be ye patient; "stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord "The rapture" draweth nigh".AS there is going to be a great revival just before Jesus comes it proves that the Church wont be here during the tribulation.
It proves nothing of the sort Alan...and I do understand about who Christ is speaking to. And though it may seem that in this respect it would be nice to separate the Christian from the Jew in order to serve an agenda to support rapture theories it doesn't cut it in the entire scheme of things. For all of the word of God is for all of His people. So though He may have been speaking to the disciples at the time, they did indeed drink of the same cup and they did partake of the same baptism...as have millions of other Jews and Christians throughout the centuries. I found your first statement to me quite humorous Alan to state that I, in order to understand end times, need to know who Christ was speaking to...that is so funny!! ROFL...have I somehow given you the impression that I am ignorant of the word of God?anyway, be blessed in your quest to be raptured....I would say that it doesn't matter what either of us believe but it does and so I can't use the old standby it'll all pan out and we'll all get there regardless of what we believe.
Alan everything you say in the above posts is a false a lie or a twist there is nothing you have posted that is biblical sorry to say because you follow a false doctrine it is you who do not understand the End times and rev. it is you are missing Gods word and following Satan the saints on earth the backsliders poppy cock ? are these crazy men words ? cause its not Gods the saints on earth are the Elect the over comers and you will not be one if you continue to believe this lie you will be hiding hoping the rocks will fall on your head to hide your shame. This is biblical read it.
(Alanforchrist;40901)
If you notice in Revelation, you will find out the the mid-trbers have gone before the 1st trumpet, never mind the seventh.
so at which trumpet will you be going Alan?
If you notice in Revelation, you will find out the the mid-trbers have gone before the 1st trumpet, never mind the seventh.
so at which trumpet will you be going Alan?
(Beano;40694)
Alan wroteIf it is the last trump then there has to be other trumps sounding before this one. can you show us these other trumps and what symbolics they have. I fail too see this trump in any other light other than those seven trumps in Rev.Kevin
I think there has been quite a few trumpets blown since they were first made.what this actualy means is, the last earthly soundind trumpet for the Prep-trib saints.The mid-tribers will go before the 1st trumpet, Rev 7: 13-17, and Rev 8: 2. So the last trumpet in 1 Cor 15: cannot be talking about the seventh trumpet mentioned in Revelations.
Alan wroteIf it is the last trump then there has to be other trumps sounding before this one. can you show us these other trumps and what symbolics they have. I fail too see this trump in any other light other than those seven trumps in Rev.Kevin
I think there has been quite a few trumpets blown since they were first made.what this actualy means is, the last earthly soundind trumpet for the Prep-trib saints.The mid-tribers will go before the 1st trumpet, Rev 7: 13-17, and Rev 8: 2. So the last trumpet in 1 Cor 15: cannot be talking about the seventh trumpet mentioned in Revelations.
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