Baptism ?
- Thread starter twinc
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Philip James
Well-Known Member
Indeed, and since that time , the ordinary way to be batpized with the Holy Spirit, is through the laying on of hands.
Triumph1300
Well-Known Member
I was baptized with the holy Spirit without the laying on of hands.
I asked the Lord for it and it happened.
Philip James
Well-Known Member
Cool. That would be an extraordinary baptiism of the Spirit, like that of Cornelius
Peace!
Triumph1300
Well-Known Member
The Baptism of Cornelius. - The circumcised believers who had accompanied Peter were astounded that the gift of the holy Spirit should have been poured out on the Gentiles also, for they could hear them speaking in tongues and glorifying God. Then Peter responded, “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit even as we have? He ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
-----------------------------------------------
Yup. Similar with me.
I was water baptized after I received the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
-----------------------------------------------
Yup. Similar with me.
I was water baptized after I received the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
I guess Jesus got it all wrong for what He should have said was you must be born again of spirit and water - twinc
actually it seems these Christians baptized others but where not themselves baptized nor was John and his lot - a bit like some would have it today imho - twinc
Philip James
Well-Known Member
Triumph1300
Well-Known Member
They were baptized with the Holy Spirit and afterwards baptized in water.
Read this again:
The Baptism of Cornelius. - The circumcised believers who had accompanied Peter were astounded that the gift of the holy Spirit should have been poured out on the Gentiles also, for they could hear them speaking in tongues and glorifying God. Then Peter responded, “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit even as we have? He ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Read this again:
The Baptism of Cornelius. - The circumcised believers who had accompanied Peter were astounded that the gift of the holy Spirit should have been poured out on the Gentiles also, for they could hear them speaking in tongues and glorifying God. Then Peter responded, “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit even as we have? He ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
this is acceptable to you but not to me - it seems it gets worse for now speaking in tongues is necessary before water - twinc
Triumph1300
Well-Known Member
Who said it was necessary?
I didn't.
Anyways.....if the word of God is not acceptable to you, I can't help you.
Maybe you'r on the wrong forum.
Triumph1300
Well-Known Member
I guess what happened with Cornelius must be wrong.
The people in the upper room were wrong too.
I have already advised/stated elsewhere we must be careful not to apply to ourselves what applies to others - what applies to us is at Jn 14:17 - btw you will never get to heaven on a motor bike, you have to walk the walk imho - twinc
Triumph1300
Well-Known Member
it seems David had a bike like yours - it is stated the sound of his triumph could be heard around the whole valley - twinc
Triumph1300
Well-Known Member
BreadOfLife
Well-Known Member
- Jan 2, 2017
- 20,936
- 3,387
- 113
- Faith
- Christian
- Country
- United States
Did Cornelius receive the Holy spirit prior to his Water Baptism - or was he BAPTIZED in the Holy Spirit?
Water doesn't mean a metaphor for "gospel" or "Word of God". If it did, Jesus would have said so. Water means physical water. Spiritualizing everything in sight is leaning too heavily towards the Manichean heresy, where all earthly things are evil, and good only exists in heaven.
If water is a metaphor, then so is "spirit". Spirit is never used metaphorically or symbolically in scripture.
Acts 8:36 – the eunuch recognizes the necessity of water for his baptism. Water and baptism are never separated in the Scriptures.
Acts 10:47 – Peter says “can anyone forbid water for baptizing these people..?” The Bible always links water and baptism, not metaphors and baptism.
Titus 3:5-6 – Paul writes about the “washing of regeneration,” which is “poured out on us” in reference to water baptism. “Washing” (loutron) generally refers to a ritual washing with water. Loutron never refers to metaphors.
Heb. 10:22 – the author is also writing about water baptism in this verse. “Having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.” Our bodies are washed with pure water in water baptism. Try taking a shower with metaphors.
2 Kings 5:14 – Naaman dipped himself seven times in the Jordan, and his flesh was restored like that of a child. This foreshadows the regenerative function of baptism, by water and the Holy Spirit. Naaman didn't dip himself seven times in a metaphorical Jordan.
Acts 22:16 – Ananias tells Paul, “arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins,” even though Paul was converted directly by Jesus Christ. This proves that Paul’s acceptance of Jesus as personal Lord and Savior was not enough to be forgiven of his sin and saved. The sacrament of baptism is required.
Acts 22:16 – further, Ananias’ phrase “wash away” comes from the Greek word “apolouo.” “Apolouo” means an actual cleansing which removes sin. It is not a symbolic covering up of sin. Even though Jesus chose Paul directly in a heavenly revelation, Paul had to be baptized to have his sins washed away.
If water is a metaphor, then so is "spirit". Spirit is never used metaphorically or symbolically in scripture.
Acts 8:36 – the eunuch recognizes the necessity of water for his baptism. Water and baptism are never separated in the Scriptures.
Acts 10:47 – Peter says “can anyone forbid water for baptizing these people..?” The Bible always links water and baptism, not metaphors and baptism.
Titus 3:5-6 – Paul writes about the “washing of regeneration,” which is “poured out on us” in reference to water baptism. “Washing” (loutron) generally refers to a ritual washing with water. Loutron never refers to metaphors.
Heb. 10:22 – the author is also writing about water baptism in this verse. “Having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.” Our bodies are washed with pure water in water baptism. Try taking a shower with metaphors.
2 Kings 5:14 – Naaman dipped himself seven times in the Jordan, and his flesh was restored like that of a child. This foreshadows the regenerative function of baptism, by water and the Holy Spirit. Naaman didn't dip himself seven times in a metaphorical Jordan.
Acts 22:16 – Ananias tells Paul, “arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins,” even though Paul was converted directly by Jesus Christ. This proves that Paul’s acceptance of Jesus as personal Lord and Savior was not enough to be forgiven of his sin and saved. The sacrament of baptism is required.
Acts 22:16 – further, Ananias’ phrase “wash away” comes from the Greek word “apolouo.” “Apolouo” means an actual cleansing which removes sin. It is not a symbolic covering up of sin. Even though Jesus chose Paul directly in a heavenly revelation, Paul had to be baptized to have his sins washed away.
Similar threads
