HOW DO WE PROVOKE A JEW[ OR HEBREW ] TO JEALOUSY

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If you disagree, put up some scriptures and prove I'm wrong.

During Acts, the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Christ preached while on earth, was preached to both Jews, by the 12 and Paul, and Gentiles, by Paul. The Gentiles in Acts were not really Gentiles. Since all saved Gentiles were grafted into Israel, they were part of the Israel program. The purpose during Acts nd the Gospels was not to start a church - God forbid! The #1 sole purpose was to entice Israel to repent and accept Christ. This was the sole purpose of the Gifts (Israel required a sign) and allowing Gentiles into the Jewish church, so they would provoke Israel to jealousy and maybe provoke them to convert. Had Israel converted during the Gospels or Acts, the New Heavens and New Earth would now be about 1000 years old.

The Gospel of the Kingdom was to the Jews only.

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Both, Stranger and Ac28 have a great immigenation.

(Acts 13:45) "But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming."

(Acts 17:5) "But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy,...."

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Both, Stranger and Ac28 have a great immigenation.

(Matt. 10:5-7) "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand."

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Romans 10:19-21
19- But I Say, did Israel not know? First Moses says; " I will provoke you to Jealousy by those who are not a Nation,/ I will move you to Anger by a foolish nation."
20- But Isaiah is very bold and says; "I was found by those who did not seek Me;/ I was made Manifest to those who did not Ask for Me
21- But to Israel he Says; 'All day long I have stretched out My Hands/ To a disobedient and Contrary people."
Romans 11:11 - I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to Provoke them to Jealousy, Salvation [ has come] to the Gentiles. ]has come] is in Italics.
Romans 11:14 If by any means I may Provoke to Jealousy those who are My flesh [Jews] and Save some of them.

I asked this Question to another Member, with no response.
Is there any evidence that we have at all provoked any Jews to Jealousy?

Greetings, Truth.

Paul's statements in Romans 10:19-21, in particular his quotation of Isaiah in verse 20, are references to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the Gentiles, beginning with Cornelius' household in Acts 10. Though they did not ask for it, He manifested Himself to them regardless, just as He would to multitudes of Gentiles in the years to come. The result was that revelation and wisdom was poured out upon them as well through the operation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit among them. These were all proofs that they were "beloved of God," and hence how the Lord was provoking the Jews to jealousy.

As Paul stated in Chapter 9:
"What if He did this to make the riches of His glory known to the vessels of His mercy, whom He prepared in advance for glory, including us, whom He has called not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? As He says in Hosea: “I will call them My people who are not My people, and I will call her 'My beloved' who is not My beloved.” (Romans 9:23-25)

As for how we provoke them to jealousy today, the answer is: By the same means they did back then. Both gifts and outpourings are "pursued" through prayer (1 Corinthians 14:13, 1 Corinthians 14:1).
 
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Ac 26:22
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

Ac 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

1Thess 2:12
That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

All saved Gentiles in the Acts church were saved into the same Kingdom as the saved Jews were. All Gentiles in Acts were part of Israel, since they were all grafted into Israel. The church in Acts, from when it started in Ac2 until it ended in Ac 28:28, was an all-Israel church. The only all-Gentile church is the one we're in today, the one that is found only in Paul's 7 books written after Acts was finished, and Israel no longer existed, in God's eyes.
 

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Are you paying attention? See post #25. Or, (Matt. 10:5-7)

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That was in the Gospels, where everything was preached to the Jews only. Christ was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the House of Israel - Mt15:24. I'm talking about Acts. The same Gospel, the Gospel of the Kingdom, was preached throughout Acts, to both Jews and Gentiles. Every saved Gentile during Acts was part of Israel, having been grafted into Israel. The reason the same Gospel was preached during Acts was that Christ said He would not return and restore Israel's earthly Kingdom UNTIL Israel accepted Him - see Mt 23:39, Acts 3:19-21 and about 10 others. Therefore, 100% of the purpose of Acts was to convince Israel to repent and accept Christ. The only purpose of the gifts were because Israel required a sign (and wonders). The only purpose in allowing Gentiles in the church was to provoke Israel to jealousy, so they might convert. The Purpose of Acts was not to start a church. Had Israel been converted in Acts, the New Heavens and New Earth would now be about 1000 years old.
 
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That was in the Gospels, where everything was preached to the Jews only. Christ was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the House of Israel - Mt15:24. I'm talking about Acts. The same Gospel, the Gospel of the Kingdom, was preached throughout Acts, to both Jews and Gentiles. Every saved Gentile during Acts was part of Israel, having been grafted into Israel. The reason the same Gospel was preached during Acts was that Christ said He would not return and restore Israel's earthly Kingdom UNTIL Israel accepted Him - see Mt 23:39, Acts 3:19-21 and about 10 others. Therefore, 100% of the purpose of Acts was to convince Israel to repent and accept Christ. The only purpose of the gifts were because Israel required a sign (and wonders). The only purpose in allowing Gentiles in the church was to provoke Israel to jealousy, so they might convert. The Purpose of Acts was not to start a church. Had Israel been converted in Acts, the New Heavens and New Earth would now be about 1000 years old.

Yes, that was in the Gospels because that was where the Gospel of the kingdom was preached. The only place where the Gospel of the Kingdom is even alluded to in Acts is in (Acts 2:22-36) "Ye men of Israel...."

The Gospel of the Kingdom is not the Gospel of Grace. Paul never did preach the Gospel of the Kingdom.

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Isn't the answer in one of the scriptures that provokes the question?

Romans 10:20 says God "revealed" himself.

The Jews were used to having the God of Abraham all to themselves, even though he is God of All. Then God reveals himself to someone else and even makes a covenant that doesn't center around them.
 
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If you disagree, put up some scriptures and prove I'm wrong.

I'm not talking about dividing between the Jews and Gentiles during Acts. I'm talking about dividing the brand new Gentile church in Paul's 7 post-Acts books, which has a hope of Heaven, to the same place where Christ now sits at the right hand of God, from the all-Jewish church in Acts, which has a hope of the New Jerusalem, which is not Heaven. Just the difference in the hopes, Heaven vs the New Jerusalem, both of which are easily proven. should make any truthseeker perk up and listen. When the absolute #1 biggest thing, the hopes, are different, everything about the two has to be different. At the very end of Acts, Israel was set aside and has not existed, in God's eyes, for 1950 years. At that point, everything associated with Israel, such as the Acts church, the Gifts, and the rapture, ceased to exist.

During Acts, the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Christ preached while on earth, was preached to both Jews, by the 12 and Paul, and Gentiles, by Paul. The Gentiles in Acts were not really Gentiles. Since all saved Gentiles were grafted into Israel, they were part of the Israel program. The purpose during Acts was not to start a church - God forbid! The #1 sole purpose was to entice Israel to repent and accept Christ. This was the sole purpose of the Gifts (Israel required a sign) and allowing Gentiles into the Jewish church, so they would provoke Israel to jealousy and maybe provoke them to convert. Had Israel converted during the Gospels or Acts, the New Heavens and New Earth would now be about 1000 years old.
I'm not talking about dividing between the Jews and during Acts. I'm talking about dividing the brand new Gentile church in Paul's 7 post-Acts books, which has a hope of Heaven, to the same place where Christ now sits at the right hand of God, from the all-Jewish church in Acts, which has a hope of the New Jerusalem, which is not Heaven. Just the difference in the hopes, Heaven vs the New Jerusalem, both of which are easily proven. should make any truthseeker perk up and listen. When the absolute #1 biggest thing, the hopes, are different, everything about the two has to be different.

During Acts, the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Christ preached while on earth, was preached to both Jews, by the 12 and Paul, and Gentiles, by Paul. The Gentiles in Acts were not really Gentiles. Since all saved Gentiles were grafted into Israel, they were part of the Israel program. The purpose during Acts nd the Gospels was not to start a church - God forbid! The #1 sole purpose was to entice Israel to repent and accept Christ. This was the sole purpose of the Gifts (Israel required a sign) and allowing Gentiles into the Jewish church, so they would provoke Israel to jealousy and maybe provoke them to convert. Had Israel converted during the Gospels or Acts, the New Heavens and New Earth would now be about 1000 years old.

In the OP, I asked what people thought, In post 2! I said do you at least Have an Opinion, I did not start this thread to go into a Scriptural Debate, I was looking for people's take on the Question, What they might feel, or think. Kinda like search yourself and respond, If all you want to do is Prove weather you are right or wrong, then get on your soapbox and feel free to express yourself!!
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Isn't the answer in one of the scriptures that provokes the question?

Romans 10:20 says God "revealed" himself.

The Jews were used to having the God of Abraham all to themselves, even though he is God of All. Then God reveals himself to someone else and even makes a covenant that doesn't center around them.

Yes that is in part what may cause Jew's to Jealousy, What else can you muster up from your soul, What would Make them Jealous!
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Yes, that was in the Gospels because that was where the Gospel of the kingdom was preached. The only place where the Gospel of the Kingdom is even alluded to in Acts is in (Acts 2:22-36) "Ye men of Israel...."

The Gospel of the Kingdom is not the Gospel of Grace. Paul never did preach the Gospel of the Kingdom.

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Yes, that was in the Gospels because that was where the Gospel of the kingdom was preached. The only place where the Gospel of the Kingdom is even alluded to in Acts is in (Acts 2:22-36) "Ye men of Israel...."

The Gospel of the Kingdom is not the Gospel of Grace. Paul never did preach the Gospel of the Kingdom.

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Oh yes he did. What is the Gospel of the Kingdom, after Christ's ascension? If you, Israel, as a nation, will believe that Christ is the promised Messiah, as spoken of in the OT, He will return and set up your promised Kingdom. The only difference in the Gospel during His ministry, was that He was right there among them.

In essence, Acts is an extension of Christ's ministry. The only goal in both was the conversion of Israel to believe that Christ was the promised Messiah

The term "Kingdom of Heaven" only appears in Matthew. The term, "Kingdom of God" appears in Matthew and the other 3 gospels. These 2 terms are interchangeable. This is proven when the K of H verses in Matthew are talking about the same thing as a K of G verse in one of the other gospels. For example:
Mt 13:10-11
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mk 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

"Kingdom of God" appears 7 times in Acts and 8 times in Paul's Acts epistles. All the verses below speak of the same thing

Jesus Christ
Mk 1:14
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

To Jews in Acts
Acts 8:12
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Ac 19:8
And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
Ac 28:23
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

To Gentiles in Acts by Paul
2Thess 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
1Cor 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

The only thing Paul ever preached, the proof that Christ was the Messiah promised in the Old Testament
Acts 26:22
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

The same thing preached in the Gospels, The Gospel of the Kingdom, was preached both to Jews and Gentiles during Acts. Why, because both had an identical goal, the repentance of the nation of Israel, so Christ would return.

What everybody preached during Acts has always been tricky. Paul also preached the Gospel of Christ, the Gospel of God, and the Gospel of the Grace of God. I think that Paul took a few of the Jews and quite a few Gentiles a bit further, on the side. These, I believe, are the first members of the brand new church that formed in Paul's 7 after-Acts epistles.

The term, "Gospel" means "good news" or "glad tidings". Nothing more, nothing less. It's a very generic term
 
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Yes that is in part what may cause Jew's to Jealousy, What else can you muster up from your soul, What would Make them Jealous!
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That God would bless their oppressors, the Romans. He raised them up and gave them authority to conquer the world. The temple in Jerusalem lay in ruins, while the grandure of rome only grew. Then to add insult to injury the romans adopted Christianity, which was seen as a Jewish cult. It would give the Jew every reason to doubt and think God abandoned them.
 
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Isn't the answer in one of the scriptures that provokes the question?

Romans 10:20 says God "revealed" himself.

The Jews were used to having the God of Abraham all to themselves, even though he is God of All. Then God reveals himself to someone else and even makes a covenant that doesn't center around them.

Excellent, I like that. :)