Jesse Duplantis's Trip to Heaven!! Who would call him a liar?

Enoch111 · Jun 6, 2018

Heart2Soul said:
Why don't you go ahead and share one of his quotes that is false....

Here is a quote taken from his book Heaven: Close Encounters of the God Kind reviewed by Dena Dahl:

Duplantis then says, “Have you ever noticed the word ‘gospel’ is only in the New Testament? That’s because gospel means ‘good news’ and there isn’t any good news in the Old Testament...

That is false teaching. Paul writing to Timothy about the Old Testament (called "the holy Scriptures") said this: And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (2 Tim 3:15). Paul was writing by divine inspiration, and went on to say that "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God..." (v. 16)

Therefore the Lord Jesus Christ said this about the Old Testament:
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures...
(Luke 24:44,45)

...Before Christ died for us, it was ‘do or die.’...

That is also false teaching. See Hebrews 11.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God...
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith...

We could go through the entire chapter and see that the OT saints were justified by grace through faith.

...The Old Testament only shows us the law that we cannot keep...

That too is false teaching. We can compare Isa 55:1-2 with Rev 22:17

Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

...But Christ was bruised for our iniquities and by His stripes we are healed!...

He believes that physical healing is in the Atonement, and therefore guaranteed to Christians. But that is simply not true. It is spiritual healing -- the healing of the soul -- that is in view in Isaiah 53.
...the chastisement of our peace was upon him...
...when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed...
...for he shall bear their iniquities...
and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors..

Ac28 · Jun 6, 2018

Heart2Soul said:
Why don't you go ahead and share one of his quotes that is false....

There are lots of them on the internet. Here's a couple/
---I heard Jesse Duplantis describe—seriously, and not jokingly—the God of the Bible as “not knowing” what “He had created.”
---Mr. Duplantis assumes that the animals were not yet alive but “carried” over to Adam so that he could make them alive for God.
He also went on to say that Adam was the one who breathed life into the animals that God created as he named them.

The biggest money-maker, the "Prosperity" Gospel, is totally non-Biblical and is 100% outright theft. These clowns tell their totally unknowledgeable "mark" that if they plant "seed" money with the preacher, the seed will grow and prosper and the investor will end up with many times more money than the seed money they planted. They all deserve to be in prison. Any full time preacher that makes more than about $75K/year is a thief.

Heart2Soul · Jun 6, 2018

Enoch111 said:
Here is a quote taken from his book Heaven: Close Encounters of the God Kind reviewed by Dena Dahl:

That is false teaching. Paul writing to Timothy about the Old Testament (called "the holy Scriptures") said this: And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (2 Tim 3:15). Paul was writing by divine inspiration, and went on to say that "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God..." (v. 16)

Therefore the Lord Jesus Christ said this about the Old Testament:
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures...
(Luke 24:44,45)

That is also false teaching. See Hebrews 11.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God...
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith...

We could go through the entire chapter and see that the OT saints were justified by grace through faith.

That too is false teaching. We can compare Isa 55:1-2 with Rev 22:17

Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

He believes that physical healing is in the Atonement, and therefore guaranteed to Christians. But that is simply not true. It is spiritual healing -- the healing of the soul -- that is in view in Isaiah 53.
...the chastisement of our peace was upon him...
...when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed...
...for he shall bear their iniquities...
and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors..

This critic is a student or employee of Victor Hafichuk….
Victor Hafichuk – False Claim Analysis

Victor Hafichuk claiming to be THE biblical prophet. No! I conclude – A prophet, but not THAT prophet.

In this post I analyse Victor Hafichuk’s recent claim to be a particular biblical prophet. I speak TO Victor and ABOUT Victor with the objective that others can see not only how his claim is false, but HOW I apply logic onto fact in order to divine truth. The end result of my deliberations (the WHAT) is only important to a few people but I think my thinking process will help others, especially those involved with Victor and his Path of Truth, past present and perhaps future.

Victor Hafichuk
Victor was born a Catholic in the Ukraine, immigrating and then doing a few things in Canada. He had a difficult childhood in some ways, most likely because of his uniquenesses that cause him challenges with human interaction. He came to faith in Christ; had a challenging adulthood but in mid-late adulthood settled into a teaching and preaching ministry which had a reasonable success in the early days of the Internet.

His ministry teaching is best described as a collection of fringe Christian theology woven into a largely coherent story/worldview. His style is confrontational, divisive and polarising with a caustic, overly judgmental attitude that has attracted claims that he runs a cult. Typical engagements with Christians involve an initial discussion of some aspect of theological truth, a very early/quick confrontation followed by extreme condemnation and curses.

Path of Truth was his brand and he spearheaded a small and vocal band of believers, some located physically on his organic farm (Harvest Haven) and others in a couple of places around the world, one in the United States, Canada and a few various adherents coming and going around the globe over the last couple of decades.

His chief “bulldog” Paul Cohen helped him enormously to punch well above his weight for years until his surprising and spectacular fall from grace and then inevitable departure in 2017. Paul had a way with words; was fiercely loyal as Victor’s 2IC and basically drove the entire Path of Truth ministry for Victor. Since Paul’s departure PoT and I believe, the associated Harvest Haven has retrenched.

Heart2Soul · Jun 6, 2018

Ac28 said:
There are lots of them on the internet. Here's a couple/
---I heard Jesse Duplantis describe—seriously, and not jokingly—the God of the Bible as “not knowing” what “He had created.”
---Mr. Duplantis assumes that the animals were not yet alive but “carried” over to Adam so that he could make them alive for God.
He also went on to say that Adam was the one who breathed life into the animals that God created as he named them.

The biggest money-maker, the "Prosperity" Gospel, is totally non-Biblical and is 100% outright theft. These clowns tell their totally unknowledgeable "mark" that if they plant "seed" money with the preacher, the seed will grow and prosper and the investor will end up with many times more money than the seed money they planted. They all deserve to be in prison. Any full time preacher that makes more than about $75K/year is a thief.

you have absolutely no credibility with your opinionated posts about others....I asked you a pointed question and you never answered....let me ask again...what is your confession of faith....what doctrine do you study?

Ac28 · Jun 6, 2018

Heart2Soul said:
you have absolutely no credibility with your opinionated posts about others....I asked you a pointed question and you never answered....let me ask again...what is your confession of faith....what doctrine do you study?

Scripture is my credibility. Everything I've said is scriptural and very little of the important things you think you know will be scriptural, until you obey 2Tim 2:15 and start cutting God's word.

Confessions of faith are overrated. I'm a Rightly Dividing Bible Believer. and have been one for 30 years. Since I rightly divide, I need very little assistance when I study the Bible. Since no mainstream denominational preacher on the planet rightly divides, even though God's word commands them to, there is no doubt in my mind that I know more than any of them know, at least about the important things, the hopes and callings and other things that do and don't apply directly to us Gentiles in this present 2000 year Gentile period. That's not saying much, since an excited bare rookie that rightly divides knows more truth than any 80 year old that has spent 12 hours per day in the bible, for 50 years, but doesn't rightly divide. I don't waste time going to church and listening to unBiblical sermons and, praise God, I haven't found any reason for being in a church for about 10 years. I have over 8000 Audios of sermons by rightly dividers that I listen to, 1000s of articles and lots of books. There are a few right dividers I communicate with. My son owns one of the best right division websites, heavendwellers.com. It's old and antiquated but it's still very good. Soon, I'll start a new blog called rightlydividinggodsword.com. Besides getting saved, right division is, by far, the absolute #1 most important doctrine in the Bible, assuming you're interested in what your place is in God's plan. I would think not over 1/2% of all Christians even attempt to rightly divide God's word. Probably a lot less than that. Rightly Dividers are lonely people.

Heart2Soul · Jun 6, 2018

Ac28 said:
Scripture is my credibility. Everything I've said is scriptural and nothing you think you know will be scriptural, until you obey 2Tim 2:15 and start cutting God's word.

Confessions of faith are overrated. I'm a Rightly Dividing Bible Believer. Since I rightly divide, I need very little assistance when I study the Bible. Since no mainstream denominational preacher on the planet rightly divides, even though God's word commands them to, there is no doubt in my mind that I know more than any of them know, at least about the hopes and callings and other things that do and don't apply directly to us Gentiles in this present 2000 year Gentile period. That's not saying much, since an excited bare rookie that rightly divides knows more truth than any 80 year old that has spent 12 hours per day in the bible, for 50 years, but doesn't rightly divide. I don't waste time going to church and listening to unBiblical sermons and, praise God, I haven't found any reason for being in a church for about 10 years. I have over 8000 Audios of sermons by rightly dividers that I listen to, about . There are a few right dividers I communicate with. My son owns one of the best right division websites, heavendwellers.com. It's old and antiquated but it's still very good. Soon, I'll start a new blog called rightlydividinggodsword.com. Besides getting saved, right division is, by far, the absolute #1 most important doctrine in the Bible, assuming you're interested in what your place is in God's plan.

Okay how about this.....do you confess Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son of God who came to earth by the virgin birth of Mary and that He died on the cross for the remission of sins? Have you confessed Him to be the Lord and Savior of your life?

Enoch111 · Jun 6, 2018

Heart2Soul said:
This critic is a student or employee of Victor Hafichuk

What does this have to do with direct quotes from Duplantis? I have no interest in Hafichuk. Let's focus of the false teachings of Duplantis. And that was just the tip of the iceberg.

Heart2Soul · Jun 6, 2018

Enoch111 said:
What does this have to do with direct quotes from Duplantis? I have no interest in Hafichuk. Let's focus of the false teachings of Duplantis. And that was just the time of the iceberg.

Are you sure they are direct quotes....are they partial quotes with the rest of the message left out.....taking it out of context....my point is this cult set out to name almost every charismatic preacher as a false teacher....when he was the one who was exposed as the False Prophet!

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And the reason I went and brought up Halfichuk is because you pretty much copied and pasted the entire blog on the book.....I personally haven't read the book but I have sat in the pews many times when Jesse Duplantis came to speak at our church and not one time did he ever preach anything that was not in the Bible....and He used scripture to back up his teaching. Now this preacher has the testimony of miracles....supernatural miracles throughout his life....so I know the anointing and power of the Holy Spirit is with him.

GUANO · Jun 6, 2018

Dang I don't even think Jerry Seinfeld has a jet. A new height for comedians. ..

Ac28 · Jun 6, 2018

Heart2Soul said:
Okay how about this.....do you confess Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son of God who came to earth by the virgin birth of Mary and that He died on the cross for the remission of sins? Have you confessed Him to be the Lord and Savior of your life?

How long have you been saved? A week? 10 Days? Are you always this goofy?

Born_Again · Jun 6, 2018

When this hit the news, I got all sorts of excited for the backlash

Truth7t7 · Jun 7, 2018

Heart2Soul said:
He has come to our church and ministered and the anointing of the Holy Spirit is all over that man. I love his outward Joy for the Lord and he spreads it wherever he goes. I pray God will continue to multiply blessings to him!

You gonna send him $$$$ he's looking for a new $54 million dollar jet, to go along with his $4 million dollar house in Louisiana, and $50 million dollar bank account?

Come on Jesse Duplantis is a phony!

At least Creflo Dollar let's you know what he's interested in, the Almighty $$$Dollar!

Peter Popoff, Busted In The 80's For Being A Phony, Back In Action, He Wants $$$$ Tooo!

Youtube of Ole Pete in action 1986, Must See!

Busted By James Randi, Exposed To The World On The Johnny Carson Show.

And He's Back In Action, Fleecing The Flock!

Wikipedia: Peter Popoff (born July 2, 1946) is a German-born disgraced televangelist. He was exposed in 1986 for using an earpiece to receive radio messages from his wife giving him the home addresses and ailments of audience members which he purported had come from God during these faith healing rallies.

In May 2007, ABC's 20/20 focused on Popoff's comeback and explored the lives of a few people who felt cheated. Various other media outlets have run similar stories. In July 2008, a Nanaimo, British Columbia resident was reimbursed by Popoff after she went public with her concerns over his fundraising tactics.

In September 2015, Michael Marshall of the Good Thinking Society documented Popoff's latest promises of "fabulous extreme fortune" and "miracles" in exchange for donations to his organization.

Financial details
Popoff was collecting almost $4 million per year in the late 1980s, according to Randi. In 2003, his ministry received over $9.6 million, and in 2005, over $23 million. In that year, he and his wife were paid a combined salary of nearly $1 million, while two of his children received over $180,000 each. Financial data is not available for Popoff's ministry since 2005 because Peter Popoff Ministries changed from a for-profit business to a religious organization in 2006, making it tax-exempt. Popoff purchased a home in Bradbury, California, for $4.5 million in 2007. He drives a Porsche and a Mercedes-Benz.

Heart2Soul · Jun 7, 2018

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Truth7t7 said:
You gonna send him $$$$ he's looking for a new $54 million dollar jet, to go along with his $4 million dollar house in Louisiana, and $50 million dollar bank account?

Come on Jesse Duplantis is a phony!

At least Creflo Dollar let's you know what he's interested in, his Almighty is the $$$Dollar!

Why do feel you need to bash him? He has ministered to thousands of people around the world and preached the message of salvation to which thousands have given there life to Jesus through his desire to serve God. This is mocking and scorning...the Bible says there will mockers and scorners but they mocked and scorned Jesus as well. Please consider how our Father feels about this....because like it or not God called him into the ministry. He was a musician of a rock band until he got radically saved at age 23-24....his testimony is very touching. I love that He has a unique way of delivering his message with a sense of humor.

Truth7t7 · Jun 7, 2018

Heart2Soul said:
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Why do feel you need to bash him? He has ministered to thousands of people around the world and preached the message of salvation to which thousands have given there life to Jesus through his desire to serve God. This is mocking and scorning...the Bible says there will mockers and scorners but they mocked and scorned Jesus as well. Please consider how our Father feels about this....because like it or not God called him into the ministry. He was a musician of a rock band until he got radically saved at age 23-24....his testimony is very touching. I love that He has a unique way of delivering his message with a sense of humor.

Matthew 19:24KJV
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

The Guardian

Jet-set Jesus: televangelist to donate old private jet when he gets new $54m one

Jesse Duplantis angered many when he asked for $54m for a private jet – but he says his old plane will get a new home.

New Orleans televangelist Jesse Duplantis says people have misunderstood his reasons for wanting to buy a fourth private jet.

Youtube: Jesse Duplantis Exposed, Fox News

Wikipedia: Jesse Duplantis

Finances and Tax Issues
Duplantis's estimated $40 million net worth and lavish lifestyle come under harsh criticism from those outside the "prosperity gospel" fold.

The Trinity Foundation (Dallas), a religious watchdog organization, has kept an eye on Duplantis for more than 10 years. The organization's president Ole Anthony said that because DuPlantis' tax exemption, technically, every person in St. Charles Parish was “helping to pay for Duplantis' extravagant lifestyle”.

The ownership of Duplantis' $3 million house, which also serves as the church rectory, was also the subject of investigation, as it had been paid for through non-taxable donations, and Duplantis avoided paying up to $33,000 a year in taxes for what a house of that value would be taxed. Retired Tax Assessor Clyde Gisclair of that parish said that whereas most homeowners qualify for a tax exemption, Duplantis has placed the house in the ministry's name, though it is for his own use, and will not be paying taxes at all. Therefore taxpayers will be footing the bill. "When somebody's exempt, somebody has to pay the bill," Gisclair said. He said that instances like this can cause the area's millage, or property tax, to go up.

According to Anthhony, "If the IRS finds that he in fact is abusing the tax code with regard to those two issues (conversion and inurement), then they could conceivably revoke his ability to give tax receipts for donations - he could lose his tax exempt status." Besides the house, Jesse Duplantis Ministries also owns a huge private jet, with which Duplantis had used to take thousands of trips, including to Hawaii and Las Vegas

Hidden In Him · Jun 7, 2018

GISMYS_7 said:
Jesse Duplantis's Trip to Heaven!! Who would call him a liar? Jesse Duplantis

Why try to limit God when He wants to bless you?? God has no shortage of wealth, He even uses gold to pave His city streets!!

I know there will be some on this thread that don't like my take on the issue, but yes, I do honor Jesse's Third Heaven experience as genuine. Does this mean I think everything he teaches and does is an accurate representation of Christian theology, no, but then the same could be said for virtually anyone else out there preaching today. It's just a matter of the degree.

The important part that many miss here is this: God does not forsake any of His people simply because they are given over to a particular branch of theology, whether they be Baptist, Pentecostal, Word of Faith, you name it. The faith and prosperity crowd, despite given over to excesses in my opinion, are genuine believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, and He recognizes them for it. So too should anyone with a heart for both God and His people.

In sum, do I believe in everything Jesse teaches? No. Would I follow his example where his lifestyle is concerned? No. But I do not reject him and everyone else involved in his movement as non-Christians on this basis. Christ is still giving supernatural witness to His children of all branches of Christianity, including several Hell testimonies to the Baptists, who as a rule are staunchly against such supernatural occurrences. But it doesn't stop Him from communicating the realities of the spirit world to them because they are still His people, whether anyone else honors them as such or not.

Blessing in Christ,
Hidden

kiwimac · Jun 7, 2018

He is a liar. He is a proponent of the unbiblical and pernicious prosperity dogma.

Enoch111 · Jun 7, 2018

Hidden In Him said:
I do honor Jesse's Third Heaven experience as genuine.

He has claimed that he spoke with the Old Testament patriarchs face to face. Since even Paul did not make such an absurd claim, we should be willing to identify false teachers and false prophets for what they are.

Indeed when Paul was in Paradise he heard things which he was FORBIDDEN to disclose.

How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. (2 Cor 12:4).

Truth7t7 · Jun 7, 2018

kiwimac said:
He is a liar. He is a proponent of the unbiblical and pernicious prosperity dogma.

I agree 100%, the prosperity Gospel is a lie!

As Duplantis has fleeced the flock, $40 million dollar bank account, $3 million dollar home, cheating on property taxes, 2 previous jets, on his 3rd, and looking for a $54 million Dollar Fourth.

Heart2Soul · Jun 7, 2018

Ac28 said:
How long have you been saved? A week? 10 Days? Are you always this goofy?

I have been saved since I was 7.....why won't you just answer the question presented to you?

Hidden In Him · Jun 7, 2018

Enoch111 said:
Indeed when Paul was in Paradise he heard things which he was FORBIDDEN to disclose.

How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. (2 Cor 12:4).

Jesse made the same claim. This is reference to some of things Paul saw being things he was not allowed to utter, not all of it. If he were forbidden from discussing anything he saw at all then there would have been no reason for bringing it up or even having had the experience to begin with.

Enoch111 said:
He has claimed that he spoke with the Old Testament patriarchs face to face

This is a common claim made by the prophets actually. You appear to be someone who believes this is an impossibility but it is not. The Old Testament saints now dwell in Heaven, and they can be conversed with just like you and I can. The only question is whether someone has truly heard from them or not, or is operating under a delusion. But dismissing this out of hand as an impossibility is based only on preconceived notions.

Enoch111 said:
we should be willing to identify false teachers and false prophets for what they are.

I'm very willing to expose false teachers and prophets, without hesitation. We just disagree on this particular evangelist.

Again, lest what I stated previously be ignored, do I agree with the lifestyle he leads? No. But to say that such a lifestyle automatically makes someone a "false prophet" has far reaching implications. You would have to classify others as falling under the same umbrella of false teachers: Billy Graham, Franklin Graham, John Hagee, and James McDonald to name a few, who are all lavishly wealthy.

Do you classify these men as false teachers. If so, why?

kiwimac said:
He is a liar. He is a proponent of the unbiblical and pernicious prosperity dogma.

I noticed you have a quote of Stephen Colbert:
“If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.”

Stephen Colbert makes his living mocking people, in direct violation of numerous scriptures. Are you presenting him as an example of what a true Christian should be? No offense, but if so, it suggests your judgement is somewhat marred.

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