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[QUOTE="kepha31, post: 406622, member: 5318
Why do a majority of "indwelt" Protestants reject OSAS?[/QUOTE]

And how is it YOU know what the MAJORITY of Protestants reject?

Does having the Holy Spirit make you infallible?

Have I made such a claim?

Why are Pentecostal Protestants, all having the Holy Spirit, divided into 200 denominations in a few short years since they began?

What's a Pentecostal Prostestant?
And why would what they do concern me?

My arguments are on track.

You said you DO NOT CHOOSE CHRIST.

I disagree.

You just disagree with Paul.

No, that is you making a false claim.
I disagree with you.

And you make up straw man fallacies about "works", you have no clue what it means.

Works Do not Save a man.

Matt. 7:18 – Jesus says that sound trees bear good fruit.

Okay.

But there is no guarantee that a sound tree will stay sound. It could go rotten.

Disagree. The INDWELLING POWER of God, supersedes your implication, that His POWER IN a man COULD FAIL.

Matt. 7:21 – all those who say “Lord, Lord” on the last day will not be saved. They are judged by their evil deeds.

The Lord WILL NOT SAVE, those He does NOT KNOW. If His Spirit IS NOT IN A man, He does not KNOW THEM.

Matt. 12:30-32 – Jesus says that he who is not with Him is against Him,

Correct. Only men WHO HAVE HIS INDWELLING SPIRIT, are men WHO ARE WITH Him.

^ THAT is what DEFINES a Born Again Christian.

And for the Jews, WHO DO NOT HAVE THE INDWELLING HOLY SPIRIT....God has another PLAN to Bring in HIS Remnant to HIS Kingdom.

( You seem to NOT KNOW, Scripture teaches to BOTH )

therefore (the Greek for “therefore” is “dia toutos” which means “through this”) blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

This means that failing to persevere in Jesus’ grace to the end is the unforgivable sin against the Spirit.

No it does not.

We must persevere in faith to the end of our lives.

You might, but I don't.

My Lord KEEPS ME IN FAITH "TO HIM" "BY HIS POWER WITHIN ME".


Matt. 22:14 – Jesus says many are called but few are chosen.

Correct.

This man, who was destined to grace, was at God’s banquet, but was cast out.

This man? What man in Matt 22:14?

Luke 8:13 – Jesus teaches that some people receive the word with joy, but they have no root, believe for a while, and then fall away in temptation. They had the faith but they lost it.

Correct. That is not your argument.
You are claiming a SAVED man can LOSE HIS SALVATION.

Luke 12:42-46 – we can start out as a faithful and wise steward, then fall away and be assigned to a place with the unfaithful.

We START OUT....naturally born in SIN.
We CAN...hear and believe.
We ARE...gifted with faith FOR believing.
We CAN...STOP believing, & FALL from Faith.
We CAN...CONTINUE in Belief...
...AND CONTINUE receiving FAITH.
WE CAN...BECOME "CONVERTED"
WE "THEN"...ARE FOREVER IN FAITH.
The "OLD MAN"...that COULD FALL AWAY...
...IS DEAD.
The "NEW MAN"...CAN NOT FALL from FAITH.
The "NEW MAN"...'IS' KEPT "IN FAITH"...
...BY THE "INDWELLING" POWER OF GOD"!!!

Get it YET?

Luke 15:11-32 – in the parable of the prodigal son, we learn that we can be genuine sons of the Father, then leave home and die, then return and be described as “alive again.”

The Jews BELIEVE IN GOD.
They are Gods First ELECT.
They Believe IN Gods Messiah.
They Were LEARNING, the Messiah IS Jesus.
They have (for the most part) left that belief.
They who Continue to Believe IN GOD...shall RETURN to believing in Christ Jesus the Messiah.

John 6:70-71 – Jesus chose or elected twelve, yet one of them, Judas, fell. Not all those predestined to grace persevere to the end.

Correct. He was CALLED. He FOLLOWED. He BELIEVED. He was RECEIVING FAITH. He STOPPED Believing. He STOPPED RECEIVING FAITH. He Walked AWAY.
He REMAINED and DIED "IN HIS SINS".
(He WAS NOT SAVED or BORN AGAIN).
 
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John 15:1-10 – we can be in Jesus (a branch on the vine), and then if we don’t bear fruit, are cut off, wither up and die.

No. Those CUT OFF, ARE CUT OFF, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT ABIDE IN "CHRIST JESUS".
(NOT ALL Jews shall be SAVED, because SOME will (like Gentiles), reject God and reject the Messiah, Christ Jesus)

Paul makes this absolutely clear in Rom. 11:20-23.

What IS CLEAR IS:
Hebrews/Jews were FIRST, and yet some will be CUT OFF.
Gentiles were LAST, and ALSO some of them will be CUT OFF.
Pertaining to BOTH "branches", they become severed from the VINE, because OF DISBELIEF, thus they become WITHOUT FAITH, and WITHOUT CONVERSION.

John 17:12 – we can be given to Jesus by the Father (predestined to grace) and yet not stay with Jesus, like Judas.

No. ONLY those who ARE GIVEN TO Jesus, ARE THOSE WHO "WILL" be CONVERTED, and FOREVER with the Spirit of God.
God KNOWS ALL THINGS. He KNOWS WHO WILL SUBMIT TO CONVERSION, and FOREVER BE Kept unto the Lord in Faithfulness TO the Lord.

John 6:37 – those who continue to come to Jesus He won’t cast out. But it’s a continuous, ongoing action. We can leave Jesus and He will allow this because He respects our freewill.

Not NEWS. Men can believe, stop believing, believe, doubt, wonder, deny, believe again.
And?
THAT can be repeated over and over and over......
A itty bitty thing, YOU OVERLOOK, IS THAT action of a man....OMITS becoming Converted.

It is the CONVERSION --->
The Man GIVING HIS LIFE TO the Lord;
That IS WHAT CHANGES EVERYTHING FOREVER.

John 6:39 – Jesus will not lose those the Father gives Him, but we can fall away, like Judas. God allows us not to persevere.

No. Judas WAS NOT "Given" to Jesus.
Jesus CHOSE Judas, full well KNOWING he was a devil and would BETRAY Him.

Judas IS AN EXAMPLE, of one being CALLED, but NOT CHOSEN; just as Scripture teaches;
Many are called, but few are chosen.

Judas IS AN EXAMPLE, of one Following Along, saying ooooh rah, yeah Lord Jesus, and then WALKING AWAY, "BEFORE" becoming "CONVERTED".

Judas IS AN EXAMPLE, of HOW one LOSES FAITH................which IS ONLY POSSIBLE;
BEFORE A MAN IS CONVERTED, "BY" the Power of God.

John 6:40 – everyone who sees the Son and believes means the person “continues” to believe.

No. It means as Scripture says; they are accomplishing the WILL of God.

By continuing to believe, the person will persevere and will be raised up. Belief also includes obedience, which is more than an intellectual belief in God.

OBEDIENCE.....TO WHAT? Be Specific.

John 6:44 – Jesus says no one can come to me unless the Father “draws” him. This “drawing” is an ongoing process.

Well gee....WHO KNEW people continue to be born and the Lord draws men unto Him! Duh.

John 10:27-28 – when Jesus says, “no one shall snatch them out of my hands,”

He means NO ONE.

He does not mean we can’t leave His hands. We can choose to walk away from Him.

Pal, IF YOUR ARE WALKING AWAY, you were NEVER "IN" Christ, "IN" His Hands.

Rev. 2:4-5 – Jesus tells the Ephesians that they abandoned the love they had at first and have fallen. Jesus warns them to repent and do the works they did at first, otherwise He will remove their lampstand (their awaited place in heaven).

Continue reading; they are being warned, AND instructed Verse 7, to OVERCOME. If they haven't yet OVERCOME, they Haven't yet been saved.

Rev. 3:4 – in Sardis, Jesus explained that some people received the white garment

No, it does not say that.

Rev. 3:5 – Jesus says whoever conquers will not be blotted out of the book of life (see Exodus 32:33). This means that we can be blotted out of the book of life. We can have salvation, and then lose salvation by our choice.

Everyone born alive....uh...IS ALIVE...IS in the Book of Life. Men "IN" Christ are not blotted out of the Book of Life.

Rev. 3:11 – Jesus says to hold fast to what we have, so that no one may seize our crown.

Correct. Not sure what you are holding "FAST TO". I am not a Jew "holding fast" to what Jews "hold fast to'.
MY Lords Power IS IN ME, I have already OVERCOME, BY HIS POWER. I trust that IS SUFFICIENT ONCE and FOREVER.

Jesus teaches us that we can have the crown of salvation and lose it.

No He is not. There is no such crown as "the Crown of Salvation".

Rather bored with your endless explanations.
I am already well aware a great deal of Scripture deals with a mans Salvation being in jeopardy........UNTIL the man CHOOSES to BE "IN CHRIST".

I'll sit back and watch you disagree with Jesus.

Your SNARKY comment IS FALSE and uncalled for.

THere is not ONE Word of Of Christ Jesus that I have disagreed with.

Do you really not comprehend the difference between DIsagreeing with YOU and Disagreeing with the Lord?

I have been QUITE CLEAR. It is you I disagree with and YOU are NOT the Lord!
 
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The devil needs something to accuse us of, might as well be meme's. :rolleyes:

Sheesh.....The LACK of common sense and Brainwashing is Astounding.

Convert-ED, Overcome, Sav-ED, Born Again, "IN" Christ, Filled with the Holy Spirit FOREVER....

Are people REALLY so BLIND, to NOT KNOW, NONE of ^^ THOSE THINGS, are ACCOMPLISHED, because;
some guy IS LEARNING ABOUT Christ?
That some guy IS believing what he is LEARNING?
That some guy is receiving FAITH, because he is hearing and learning?

Good grief; Some people are preaching pretty much everyone who HEARD Jesus' Name IS SAVED....and then CHANGED their MINDS!

Good Grief; The Lord DIDN'T WONDER about what some guys wishy, washy carnal MIND thought or his mouth said based on his MIND!!

The Lord looks TO THE mans HEART'S thoughts AND gee.....DID someone FORGET, the Lord KNOWS ALL THINGS????

Apparently. They have The Lord "SAVING MEN".....WHO ARE MAKING A FOOL OF THE Lord....BY Later REJECTING His Eternal GIft of Slavation!!

Ridiculous!

I guess a meme is the best they can do, since their Carnal Minded rational is irrational and their Spiritual Understanding is Moot.

God Bless my Brother "IN" Christ, ONCE and FOREVER.
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Sheesh.....The LACK of common sense and Brainwashing is Astounding. Are people REALLY so BLIND

I'm thinking religion and blindness is the same yesterday, today and tmrw, like Heb 13:8. The only difference is that the Pharisee has an on-line platform to reach more people now.
 
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WHAT ?????????????? Do you think GOD would take it away from you after believing ???

What god do you believe in ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I guess not my GOD!
Not mine either. God doesn't make Christians fall, they do it themselves by not persevering to the end. OSAS denies perseverance. It's quite clear in more than one place in the Bible. Scroll up to post #3148 for a list of scriptures where Jesus teaches that we can lose our salvation.
 
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WE CAN...BECOME "CONVERTED"
WE "THEN"...ARE FOREVER IN FAITH.
The "OLD MAN"...that COULD FALL AWAY...
...IS DEAD.
The "NEW MAN"...CAN NOT FALL from FAITH.
The "NEW MAN"...'IS' KEPT "IN FAITH"...
...BY THE "INDWELLING" POWER OF GOD"!!!


Get it YET?
Cool.
Now, show me where the BIBLE makes this claim - because in 3166 posts, you have FAILED to do so . . .
 

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Not mine either. God doesn't make Christians fall, they do it themselves by not persevering to the end. OSAS denies perseverance. It's quite clear in more than one place in the Bible. Scroll up to post #3148 for a list of scriptures where Jesus teaches that we can lose our salvation.

A
Man CAN LOSE his Salvation which means;
"IF" he doesn't TAKE IT, RECEIVE IT....
He LOSES IT.

A
Man WHO TAKES, RECEIVES his SALVATION that was provided FOR HIM, BY THE Lord.....

THAT MAN, can NEVER "LOSE" his Salvation.

You are teaching a MAN MUST "KEEP" his Salvation "BY" perserving (whatever you mean BY that).

A MAN WHO HAS RECEIVED his SALVATION...
His Salvation "IS KEPT" "BY" the Indwelling POWER OF CHRIST!!!!

You are teaching JEWISH LAW......
That a man WHO BELIEVES IN GOD....
MUST....
" BY his OWN POWER KEEP his FAITH"
and
"BY his OWN WORKS be ACCEPTABLE, TO BE SAVED"
and
"BY his OWN power continue following, believing and obedient".

Christ Jesus FULFILLED the Requirements of the OLD WAY, Laws and Requirements.......

The OLD WAY (FOR A CHRISTIAN) IS ACCOMPLISHED IN CHRIST.

THE NEW WAY ( FOR A SAVED AND BORN AGAIN MAN) IS TO ACCEPT THE INDWELLING POWER OF GOD ONCE AND FOREVER.

THE OLD WAY CONTINUES FOR ANY JEW WHO CONTINUES TO REJECT CHRIST, AND REMAIN OBEDIENT TO THE LAW, and Continue "do WORKS" that will please God, SO HE WILL SAVE THEM.

BY THEIR OWN power, they must endure in LEGAL Obedience to RECEIVE their Salvation.

Not SO for a man IN CHRIST. His power has Forgiven, Washed, Cleansed, Sanctified, Justified, Saved, Birthed Again, a NEW MAN, ONCE and FOREVER.....

And such man IS KEPT in that Condition BY the indwelling Power of Christ Jesus the Lord.
 

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Cool.
Now, show me where the BIBLE makes this claim - because in 3166 posts, you have FAILED to do so . . .

That is yet another of your FALSE CLAIMS.

"IF" an individual has ACCRPTED the Lords gift of SALVATION......the individual IS SAVED.

The OLD NATURAL MAN, WHO ACCEPTED the Lords Gift of Salvation ..... IS DEAD...ONCE and FOREVER.

A NEW CREATURE .... IS BORN....ONCE and FOREVER.

It is the NEW CREATURE WHO reaps the Benefits of the OLD MANS DEATH.

2 Cor 5:17
THEREFORE "IF" "any" man BE "IN CHRIST he "IS" a NEW CREATURE"; Old things ARE passed AWAY, BEHOLD all things are new.

A man having Knowledge, DOES NOT Satisify the "IF" condition, as you teach.

THE CONDITION IS "ACCOMPLISHED" WHEN the OLD MAN IS DEAD, and a NEW CREATURE IS BORN.

The NEW CREATURE IS ALIVE FOREVER, As Scripture teaches...

NOT as YOU Teach, that a man CAN become crucified with Christ; A DEAD OLD MAN; A NEW BORN CREATURE "IN" Christ......and then by the Power of a man REVERSE the condition and AGAIN Become the OLD MAN.

^ TOTALLY FALSE teaching, that you teach and preach over and over and over.

There is NOT ONE Scrpture that says A MAN crucified DEAD with Christ, BORN a NEW CREATURE "IN" Christ, Can Become AGAIN uncrucified, unborn "IN" Christ.
 

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[QUOTE="BreadOfLife, post: 406941, member: 7345

God absolutely will TAKE AWAY from your share in the Tree of Life if you abandon Him - AFTER you come to faith . . .[/QUOTE]

AFTER you come to faith?

You are without UNDERSTANDING.

EVERY MAN who IS Hearing the Word of God, IS gifted with FAITH from God!

You have been repeatedly SHOWN this.
A man HEARING the Word of God, "IS" being "ENLIGHTENED". He is RECEIVING TRUE Knowledge of the Lord, AND being gifted with FAITH "from the Lord". The Lord who IS "LIGHT"..... enLIGHTens with the gift of FAITH.

A man receiving ENLIGHTMENT, receiving KNOWLEDGE, receiving FAITH.......

DOES NOT MEAN the man HAS SUBMITTED "TO" the Lord!!!

And UNTIL the man HAS SUBMITTED....HE HAS NOT RECEIVED SALVATION or GODS SEED.......and SUCH MAN CAN at ANY TIME...
WALK AWAY.



How can they lose what they never had?

/QUOTE]

You have been TOLD, SHOWN, been EXPLAINED, been GIVEN toddler examples to ad nausum.....and still you continue to Ask the same question over and over.

Thee Christ Lord Jesus ONCE gave HIS FLESH BODY and BLOOD.....FOR the WORLD, (ANY AND ALL MEN of the WORLD) TO HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE "THROUGH" Him.

THAT TELLS YOU, THE GIFT "IS" FOR ALL.

THE GIFT IS NOT FORCED ON ANYONE "TO" ask for, OR Receive "HIS GIFT".

It does not mean, the GIFT IS NOT "FOR THEM".

It Does mean, a individual has to decide "IF" he "wants" the Gift, "wants" to Receive the Gift.

IF a man DOES WANT to RECEIVE the Lords Gift of Salvation.....gee, WHOM do you think the individual ASKS? His mommy? No.
The INDIVIDUAL solicits and CALLS ON THE Lord!

And WHAT? You think the Lord ISN'T hearing or listening when an individual CALLS ON Him to Confess true heartfelt Belief IN Him?

Of course He IS listening and hearing a natural living man calling on His Name to Confess True Heartfelt BELIEF IN Him!

AND WHAT? You think the Lord (who knows all things), MIGHT BE FOOLED BY A LIAR, who is after the Gift, but doesn' (really) believe? You think the Lord GIVES a FAKE His Gift of Salvation and Gods SEED?

Since YOU TEACH, a man CAN receive Gods Gift of Salvation and Gods Seed....and THEN (change his mind and throw the gifts back in Gods Face).

No doubt, mens carnal minds ARE wishy washy and every changing.

As you have been told repeatedly, THE CARNAL MIND IS AGAINST GOD.

Seriously dude, God did not LOOK TO A MANS CARNAL MINDED "CONFESSION"!!!

God looks to a mans "HEARTS TRUE THOUGHTS" confession.

AND.....A man WHO with a TRUE Heartful CONFESSION, made TO THE Lord.....

THAT MAN by the Power of God, becomes; FORGIVEN for Disbelief.
Spiritually DEAD.
SAVED and BORN AGAIN.
Spiritually ALIVE "IN" and "WITH" the Lord
FOREVER.

The GIFT IS PROVIDED......TO ALL; IT IS THEIRS TO CLAIM AND HAVE FOREVER.

IF THEY DO NOT CLAIM IT...
THEY DO NOT RECEIVE IT...

IF THEY DO NOT RECEIVE IT...
THEY LOSE IT...

Not rocket science.

Every natural individual HAS the OPPORTUNITY to RECEIVE Salvation and Gods SEED.

Every Natural born Living man......IS naturally ALIVE in HIS OWN LIFE, which IS HIS BLOOD.

It is WHILE a man IS ALIVE in his OWN BLOOD, HIS OWN LIFE, that his NAME is recorded IN GODS BOOK OF LIFE.

IT IS THOSE MEN, naturally ALIVE in their own blood, that are given OPPORTUNITY to RECEIVE the Lords Gift of Salvation and Gods Seed of Eternal Spiritual Life, BY AND THROUGH THE Lord.

Men DO NOT KNOW the hour their OWN blood life may END.

And ONCE THEIR OWN blood LIFE ENDS, SO ALSO ENDS their OPPORTUNITY to CALL ON THE Lord TO RECEIVE Salvation and Gods SEED.

Scripture is FULL of the URGENCY for a man TO DECIDE (WHILE he is alive IN HIS OWN Blood life).... TO CHOOSE to Receive Salvation and Gods Seed....

Because "IF" their natural body dies, their natural life ends, and they HAVE MISSED their Opportunity to RECEIVE Salvation and Gods SEED.

Because naturally dead body's KNOW NOTHING. THEY CAN NOT MAKE A decision to CALL on the Lord and Receive Salvation and Gods Seed.

Their Name becomes BLOTTED OUT of the Book of Life.

The Lord Jesus WILL NOT BE CALLING THEM UP TO THE Clouds to Receive A NEW GLorified Body.

THEY have LOST their Salvation....
The DOOR to recive Salvation IS SHUT to them.

Heed the warning, and Receive Salvation and the Seed of God.....for who knows, you can physically die at any moment....and your name blotted out.
 

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[QUOTE="BreadOfLife, post: 406941, member: 7345
God absolutely will TAKE AWAY from your share in the Tree of Life if you abandon Him - AFTER you come to faith . . .

AFTER you come to faith?
You are without UNDERSTANDING.
EVERY MAN who IS Hearing the Word of God, IS gifted with FAITH from God!
You have been repeatedly SHOWN this.
A man HEARING the Word of God, "IS" being "ENLIGHTENED". He is RECEIVING TRUE Knowledge of the Lord, AND being gifted with FAITH "from the Lord". The Lord who IS "LIGHT"..... enLIGHTens with the gift of FAITH.

A man receiving ENLIGHTMENT, receiving KNOWLEDGE, receiving FAITH.......

DOES NOT MEAN the man HAS SUBMITTED "TO" the Lord!!!

And UNTIL the man HAS SUBMITTED....HE HAS NOT RECEIVED SALVATION or GODS SEED.......and SUCH MAN CAN at ANY TIME...
WALK AWAY.




/QUOTE]

You have been TOLD, SHOWN, been EXPLAINED, been GIVEN toddler examples to ad nausum.....and still you continue to Ask the same question over and over.

Thee Christ Lord Jesus ONCE gave HIS FLESH BODY and BLOOD.....FOR the WORLD, (ANY AND ALL MEN of the WORLD) TO HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE "THROUGH" Him.

THAT TELLS YOU, THE GIFT "IS" FOR ALL.

THE GIFT IS NOT FORCED ON ANYONE "TO" ask for, OR Receive "HIS GIFT".

It does not mean, the GIFT IS NOT "FOR THEM".

It Does mean, a individual has to decide "IF" he "wants" the Gift, "wants" to Receive the Gift.

IF a man DOES WANT to RECEIVE the Lords Gift of Salvation.....gee, WHOM do you think the individual ASKS? His mommy? No.
The INDIVIDUAL solicits and CALLS ON THE Lord!

And WHAT? You think the Lord ISN'T hearing or listening when an individual CALLS ON Him to Confess true heartfelt Belief IN Him?

Of course He IS listening and hearing a natural living man calling on His Name to Confess True Heartfelt BELIEF IN Him!

AND WHAT? You think the Lord (who knows all things), MIGHT BE FOOLED BY A LIAR, who is after the Gift, but doesn' (really) believe? You think the Lord GIVES a FAKE His Gift of Salvation and Gods SEED?

Since YOU TEACH, a man CAN receive Gods Gift of Salvation and Gods Seed....and THEN (change his mind and throw the gifts back in Gods Face).

No doubt, mens carnal minds ARE wishy washy and every changing.

As you have been told repeatedly, THE CARNAL MIND IS AGAINST GOD.

Seriously dude, God did not LOOK TO A MANS CARNAL MINDED "CONFESSION"!!!

God looks to a mans "HEARTS TRUE THOUGHTS" confession.

AND.....A man WHO with a TRUE Heartful CONFESSION, made TO THE Lord.....

THAT MAN by the Power of God, becomes; FORGIVEN for Disbelief.
Spiritually DEAD.
SAVED and BORN AGAIN.
Spiritually ALIVE "IN" and "WITH" the Lord
FOREVER.

The GIFT IS PROVIDED......TO ALL; IT IS THEIRS TO CLAIM AND HAVE FOREVER.

IF THEY DO NOT CLAIM IT...
THEY DO NOT RECEIVE IT...

IF THEY DO NOT RECEIVE IT...
THEY LOSE IT...

Not rocket science.

Every natural individual HAS the OPPORTUNITY to RECEIVE Salvation and Gods SEED.

Every Natural born Living man......IS naturally ALIVE in HIS OWN LIFE, which IS HIS BLOOD.

It is WHILE a man IS ALIVE in his OWN BLOOD, HIS OWN LIFE, that his NAME is recorded IN GODS BOOK OF LIFE.

IT IS THOSE MEN, naturally ALIVE in their own blood, that are given OPPORTUNITY to RECEIVE the Lords Gift of Salvation and Gods Seed of Eternal Spiritual Life, BY AND THROUGH THE Lord.

Men DO NOT KNOW the hour their OWN blood life may END.

And ONCE THEIR OWN blood LIFE ENDS, SO ALSO ENDS their OPPORTUNITY to CALL ON THE Lord TO RECEIVE Salvation and Gods SEED.

Scripture is FULL of the URGENCY for a man TO DECIDE (WHILE he is alive IN HIS OWN Blood life).... TO CHOOSE to Receive Salvation and Gods Seed....

Because "IF" their natural body dies, their natural life ends, and they HAVE MISSED their Opportunity to RECEIVE Salvation and Gods SEED.

Because naturally dead body's KNOW NOTHING. THEY CAN NOT MAKE A decision to CALL on the Lord and Receive Salvation and Gods Seed.

Their Name becomes BLOTTED OUT of the Book of Life.

The Lord Jesus WILL NOT BE CALLING THEM UP TO THE Clouds to Receive A NEW GLorified Body.

THEY have LOST their Salvation....
The DOOR to recive Salvation IS SHUT to them.

Heed the warning, and Receive Salvation and the Seed of God.....for who knows, you can physically die at any moment....and your name blotted out.[/QUOTE]
After reading this last insane rant of yours - I'm giving you a homework assignment:
Get out your dictionary, dust it off, and look up the word "Concise". Next - try to follow that definition in your next rant . . .

While you're at it - PLEASE finally show me where the Bible teaches that we are saved "forever" and cannot lose it once we are born again. I've been waiting for 3170 posts now.

Chapter and Verse
, please . . .
 

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That is yet another of your FALSE CLAIMS.

"IF" an individual has ACCRPTED the Lords gift of SALVATION......the individual IS SAVED.

The OLD NATURAL MAN, WHO ACCEPTED the Lords Gift of Salvation ..... IS DEAD...ONCE and FOREVER.

A NEW CREATURE .... IS BORN....ONCE and FOREVER.

It is the NEW CREATURE WHO reaps the Benefits of the OLD MANS DEATH.

2 Cor 5:17
THEREFORE "IF" "any" man BE "IN CHRIST he "IS" a NEW CREATURE"; Old things ARE passed AWAY, BEHOLD all things are new.

A man having Knowledge, DOES NOT Satisify the "IF" condition, as you teach.

THE CONDITION IS "ACCOMPLISHED" WHEN the OLD MAN IS DEAD, and a NEW CREATURE IS BORN.

The NEW CREATURE IS ALIVE FOREVER, As Scripture teaches...

NOT as YOU Teach, that a man CAN become crucified with Christ; A DEAD OLD MAN; A NEW BORN CREATURE "IN" Christ......and then by the Power of a man REVERSE the condition and AGAIN Become the OLD MAN.

^ TOTALLY FALSE teaching, that you teach and preach over and over and over.

There is NOT ONE Scrpture that says A MAN crucified DEAD with Christ, BORN a NEW CREATURE "IN" Christ, Can Become AGAIN uncrucified, unborn "IN" Christ.
STILL waiting . . .
 

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While you're at it - PLEASE finally show me where the Bible teaches that we are saved "forever" and cannot lose it once we are born again. I've been waiting for 3170 posts now.

Chapter and Verse
, please . . .

WOW. In over 3,000 posts and all the KeY words and Scriptures, you have not been so inclined to have gone and STUDIED and LEARNED .....

A man WHO calls on the Lord and Confesses Heartfelt Belief ;
IS Forever FORGIVEN of his disbelief (by His Grace)
AND
DEAD (by His Authority)
AND
Cleansed (by His BLOOD)
And
Sanctified (by His Authority, Lord High Priest)j
AND
SAVeD (by His Power to restore your soul)
AND
BORN AGAIN (by His SEED)
AND
Justified to be Raised in a Glorified Body
AND
Have FOREVER the Indwelling Holy Spirit...
AND NEVER AGAIN be subject TO DEATH.

2 John 1:2
For the truth's sake which dwelleth IN us...
(Well, this applies to me, don't know about you).
And SHALL BE WITH YOU (me) FOREVER.

Apparently you have a pseudo SAVIOR, that "converts" men who REJECT Him.

My Lord and Savior IS ALL KNOWING, and will not BE Shamed or Mocked by His Creations.

I have a SAVIOR that SAVES MEN WHO Heartfully Call ON HIM To Convert them and BE KEPT SAVED, and FAITHFUL, and Receive HIS SEED, that they are His Spiritual adopted sons.....FOREVER.

Your wishy wishy pseudo kinda of, sort of, Salvation given and thrust back in mocking the Lord is old, boring, false and DOES nothing to Glorify the Lords Name.
 

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STILL waiting . . .

You have been given several Scriptures and you are waiting for someone to give you Spiritual Understanding. Ain't gunna happen.

While someone other than yourself decided THEY could effect your born again status...

No one can Spiritualy Understand it FOR you.
 

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You have been given several Scriptures and you are waiting for someone to give you Spiritual Understanding. Ain't gunna happen.
While someone other than yourself decided THEY could effect your born again status...

No one can Spiritualy Understand it FOR you.
Then humor me and just point me to the post.
 

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WOW. In over 3,000 posts and all the KeY words and Scriptures, you have not been so inclined to have gone and STUDIED and LEARNED .....

A man WHO calls on the Lord and Confesses Heartfelt Belief ;
IS Forever FORGIVEN of his disbelief (by His Grace)
AND
DEAD (by His Authority)
AND
Cleansed (by His BLOOD)
And
Sanctified (by His Authority, Lord High Priest)j
AND
SAVeD (by His Power to restore your soul)
AND
BORN AGAIN (by His SEED)
AND
Justified to be Raised in a Glorified Body
AND
Have FOREVER the Indwelling Holy Spirit...
AND NEVER AGAIN be subject TO DEATH.


2 John 1:2
For the truth's sake which dwelleth IN us...
(Well, this applies to me, don't know about you).
And SHALL BE WITH YOU (me) FOREVER.

Apparently you have a pseudo SAVIOR, that "converts" men who REJECT Him.

My Lord and Savior IS ALL KNOWING, and will not BE Shamed or Mocked by His Creations.

I have a SAVIOR that SAVES MEN WHO Heartfully Call ON HIM To Convert them and BE KEPT SAVED, and FAITHFUL, and Receive HIS SEED, that they are His Spiritual adopted sons.....FOREVER.

Your wishy wishy pseudo kinda of, sort of, Salvation given and thrust back in mocking the Lord is old, boring, false and DOES nothing to Glorify the Lords Name.
And again - YOU need to show Scriptural proof for those 2 claims in RED.
So far, you've failed . . .
 

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And again - YOU need to show Scriptural proof for those 2 claims in RED.
So far, you've failed . . .

Good grief how lazy can you be?
Someone other than yourself asks for conversion FOR YOU.
Someone other than yourself tells you what to think and believe.
Someone other than yourself you want to go look and see what scripture says.

2 John 1:2
1 John 1:9
1 John 2:12
John 8:51

SO HOW MANY TIMES must ONE BECOME SAVED.....since you teach ONCE is NOT sufficient?
 

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Not mine either. God doesn't make Christians fall, they do it themselves by not persevering to the end. OSAS denies perseverance. It's quite clear in more than one place in the Bible. Scroll up to post #3148 for a list of scriptures where Jesus teaches that we can lose our salvation.

Hi kepha. Do you know what an accuser is? No wonder why the antichrist spirit is so angry. God bless.

Neh 6:13 They were hoping to intimidate me and make me sin. Then they would be able to accuse and discredit me.

Job 1:6 One day the members of the heavenly court came to present themselves before the LORD, and the Accuser, Satan, came with them.

Psa 27:12 Do not let me fall into their hands. For they accuse me of things I've never done; with every breath they threaten me with violence.

Psa 31:18 Silence their lying lips— those proud and arrogant lips that accuse the godly.

Psa 35:11 Malicious witnesses testify against me. They accuse me of crimes I know nothing about.

Isa 50:8 He who vindicates me is near. Who then will bring charges against me? Let us face each other! Who is my accuser? Let him confront me!

Isa 54:17 But in that coming day no weapon turned against you will succeed. You will silence every voice raised up to accuse you. These benefits are enjoyed by the servants of the LORD; their vindication will come from me. I, the LORD, have spoken!

Jer 2:29 Why do you accuse me of doing wrong? You are the ones who have rebelled,” says the LORD.

Eze 22:9 People accuse others falsely and send them to their death. You are filled with idol worshipers and people who do obscene things.

Zec 3:1 Then the angel showed me Jeshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD. The Accuser, Satan, was there at the angel's right hand, making accusations against Jeshua.

Jhn 8:46 Which of you can truthfully accuse me of sin? And since I am telling you the truth, why don't you believe me?

Act 24:13 These men cannot prove the things they accuse me of doing.

Act 26:7 In fact, that is why the twelve tribes of Israel zealously worship God night and day, and they share the same hope I have. Yet, Your Majesty, they accuse me for having this hope!

Rom 2:15 They demonstrate that God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.

Rom 8:33 Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one--for God himself has given us right standing with himself.

1Pe 2:12 Be careful to live properly among your unbelieving neighbors. Then even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will give honor to God when he judges the world.

Jde 1:9 But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, “The Lord rebuke you!” (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses' body.)

Rev 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
 
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Hi kepha. Do you know what an accuser is? No wonder why the antichrist spirit is so angry. God bless.

Neh 6:13 They were hoping to intimidate me and make me sin. Then they would be able to accuse and discredit me.

Job 1:6 One day the members of the heavenly court came to present themselves before the LORD, and the Accuser, Satan, came with them.

Psa 27:12 Do not let me fall into their hands. For they accuse me of things I've never done; with every breath they threaten me with violence.

Psa 31:18 Silence their lying lips— those proud and arrogant lips that accuse the godly.

Psa 35:11 Malicious witnesses testify against me. They accuse me of crimes I know nothing about.

Isa 50:8 He who vindicates me is near. Who then will bring charges against me? Let us face each other! Who is my accuser? Let him confront me!

Isa 54:17 But in that coming day no weapon turned against you will succeed. You will silence every voice raised up to accuse you. These benefits are enjoyed by the servants of the LORD; their vindication will come from me. I, the LORD, have spoken!

Jer 2:29 Why do you accuse me of doing wrong? You are the ones who have rebelled,” says the LORD.

Eze 22:9 People accuse others falsely and send them to their death. You are filled with idol worshipers and people who do obscene things.

Zec 3:1 Then the angel showed me Jeshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD. The Accuser, Satan, was there at the angel's right hand, making accusations against Jeshua.

Jhn 8:46 Which of you can truthfully accuse me of sin? And since I am telling you the truth, why don't you believe me?

Act 24:13 These men cannot prove the things they accuse me of doing.

Act 26:7 In fact, that is why the twelve tribes of Israel zealously worship God night and day, and they share the same hope I have. Yet, Your Majesty, they accuse me for having this hope!

Rom 2:15 They demonstrate that God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.

Rom 8:33 Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one--for God himself has given us right standing with himself.

1Pe 2:12 Be careful to live properly among your unbelieving neighbors. Then even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will give honor to God when he judges the world.

Jde 1:9 But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, “The Lord rebuke you!” (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses' body.)

Rev 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.

"IN" Christ and "THEN" Fall Away?

NEVER!

So Simple....Thee Savior Saves.

If men can not Trust the Truth, who IS Christ the Lord Jesus....they will be outside the Closed Door saying Lord Lord let me in. And He will be saying; You never Trusted my Gift of Salvation was For YOU To RECEIVE and Have FOREVER. You turned "my Truth" into a lie...I don't know you.

Astounding!

God Bless,
Taken