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verzanumi24

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Once again you are resorting to your own imagination, rather than what is revealed in Scripture. Yet you claim everyone else is adding to the confusion.

Power meant BOTH authority and ability to exercise that authority. So here is what we find in Scripture to confirm that. Jesus later on sent out 70 disciples and also gave them power over sickness and demons. Here is what they said: And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. (Luke 10:17).

So the point is that you are TOTALLY MISTAKEN about the empowerment of the disciples before the resurrection. The power and authority were in the name of Christ, but the disciples did exercise that power.

Therefore you can either accept what Scripture says, or continue to promote your false notions (which is probably what you will do).

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Light and darkness don't occupy the same space, that's how I know.
"If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.
Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee." Psalm 139:11-12
 

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Then what does this verse mean?

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12

That scripture has nothing to do with confusion, but about limited vision/understanding in terms of the truth. Because one will never be able to fully grasp the reality becomes one's reality.
 

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"If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.
Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee." Psalm 139:11-12

What the psalmist is saying is that darkness is no hiding place from God.....He doesn't need light to see; it's like day to Him.
 

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That scripture has nothing to do with confusion, but about limited vision/understanding in terms of the truth. Because one will never be able to fully grasp the reality becomes one's reality.
If you have ever known a person who was not completely blind but had extremely poor vision you would understand that that verse really does have a lot to do with confusion.

Consider this situation:

"And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him.
And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly. " Mark 8:22-25
 

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What the psalmist is saying is that darkness is no hiding place from God.....He doesn't need light to see; it's like day to Him.

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2
 

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"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2

Yes, I believe that. But what does that have to do with what I was talking about?
 

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If you have ever known a person who was not completely blind but had extremely poor vision you would understand that that verse really does have a lot to do with confusion.

Consider this situation:

"And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him.
And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly. " Mark 8:22-25

So what you are saying is that someone with limited vision is confused? One of my grandmother had poor vision in her old age and my father did as well, and I have never heard them liken it to being confused. Confusion have to do with the mind and not limited sight.
 

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Yes, I believe that. But what does that have to do with what I was talking about?
So long as we still see through a glass darkly instead of face to face, as even the apostle did at the time of his writing we retain in part confusion. The confusion has to go, but we need God's help to get rid of it because until He opens our eyes to see clearly our vision is impaired which means to that extent we are missing some of what He has for us. We are blind to it. When it is missing or unseen by us can we describe it by carnal speculation?
 
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So what you are saying is that someone with limited vision is confused? One of my grandmother had poor vision in her old age and my father did as well, and I have never heard them liken it to being confused. Confusion have to do with the mind and not limited sight.
I knew a good Christian lady for several years before her natural death. Her eyesight was diminishing. Most of her friends, like myself, could be seen as shadows by her, but she had never seen our faces clearly. In her natural lifetime she never did. But, usually she recognized us coming toward her because she recognized our silhouettes. She did however at times make mistakes because of the details she was unable to see. What she saw was at best a confused image lacking in the perception of a person with 20/20 vision.

If our perceptions are flawed so are our conclusions. This is why we must live by faith since our knowledge is incomplete and even in error in some measure if not completely so.
 

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I knew a good Christian lady for several years before her natural death. Her eyesight was diminishing. Most of her friends, like myself, could be seen as shadows by her, but she had never seen our faces clearly. In her natural lifetime she never did. But, usually she recognized us coming toward her because she recognized our silhouettes. She did however at times make mistakes because of the details she was unable to see. What she saw was at best a confused image lacking in the perception of a person with 20/20 vision.

If our perceptions are flawed so are our conclusions. This is why we must live by faith since our knowledge is incomplete and even in error in some measure if not completely so.

What a stretch to justify confusion, when the scripture clearly say God is not the author of confusion among people who claim to believe in the same Bible. Anyway, I'm not going continue this with you.
 

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So long as we still see through a glass darkly instead of face to face, as even the apostle did at the time of his writing we retain in part confusion. The confusion has to go, but we need God's help to get rid of it because until He opens our eyes to see clearly our vision is impaired which means to that extent we are missing some of what He has for us. We are blind to it. When it is missing or unseen by us can we describe it by carnal speculation?

See ya.
 

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Well that's good...you've got no one else to argue with now....you have 'put down' everyone with your silly frail arguments. Hope you are proud of yourself.
 
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when the scripture clearly say God is not the author of confusion
The LORD will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke
(well, at least that one is working huh)
The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind
The LORD threw them into confusion
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie
 
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God is not the author of confusion, which means that God is not involved in the various believes on this forum.

1 Corinthians 14:33 (KJV)

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
This is true. BUT.

Not to be confused with "confusion", God IS the Author of "confounded" language...which is a major point of contention among the churches.

Genesis 11:7
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
 
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None of what it says in Colossians 3:12-15 will be a reality if there's confusion among them. The kind of confusion that I see among christians on this and other christian forums never existed among the Church in the Bible.
oh, it's in There alright lol
It would be nice if everybody had your attitude towards new understanding.
:rolleyes:
got a case of terminal uniqueness do ya? lol
 
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What a stretch to justify confusion, when the scripture clearly say God is not the author of confusion among people who claim to believe in the same Bible. Anyway, I'm not going continue this with you.
Again you are going the way Solomon said that men go in their flesh. Each one is right according to himself, but that is the flesh speaking. Until a person admits that God alone is always right he cannot receive correction even from the Holy Ghost and so he will walk in confusion and/or in delusion and that is NOT on God's highway of holiness.

That is where we have been, all of us, but Jesus made it possible to come out of her. Should we not take Him up on it?
 
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The LORD will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke
(well, at least that one is working huh)
The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind
The LORD threw them into confusion
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie
And God gives them any increase.
 
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