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This is true. BUT.

Not to be confused with "confusion", God IS the Author of "confounded" language...which is a major point of contention among the churches.

Genesis 11:7
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

The word in Hebrew that is translated confounded means to mix. God simply did that to prevent them from continuing the work that they were doing, because God wanted mankind to spread around the world instead of being in one place. They were rebelling against God. So in effect, are you are saying that God is the one who has confounded the church via language?And what language are you referring to? So that means the churches are rebelling against God.
 
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The word in Hebrew that is translated confounded means to mix. God simply did that to prevent them from continuing the work that they were doing, because God wanted mankind to spread around the world instead of being in one place. They were rebelling against God. So in effect, are you are saying that God is the one who has confounded the church via language?And what language are you referring to? So that means the churches are rebelling against God.
God did indeed have a [good] reason and purpose for doing what He did. But mixed up language and interpretations does and has stifled the church's unity. But that is not a bad thing, like people perceive it - we are a coat of many colors (on purpose).

So, what man had been doing for bad, God has turned to be for good.
 
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God did indeed have a [good] reason and purpose for doing what He did. But mixed up language and interpretations does and has stifled the church's unity. But that is not a bad thing, like people perceive it - we are a coat of many colors (on purpose).

So, what man had been doing for bad, God has turned to be for good.

So in other words, you believe believe that God want the church to be stifled and be disunified.
 

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So in other words, you believe believe that God want the church to be stifled and be disunified.
No...these things are rather a component of "My strength is made perfect in weakness."

"Confounded" is like "weakness", like "strength", but misunderstood.

Just as "blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in", so too, have we all had limited access to "all truth" until these times. Likewise, those things that are written regarding "the love of many growing cold" and "brother betraying brother", are the power of God unto salvation.

"Be not troubled."
 

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No...these things are rather a component of "My strength is made perfect in weakness."

"Confounded" is like "weakness", like "strength", but misunderstood.

Just as "blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in", so too, have we all had limited access to "all truth" until these times. Likewise, those things that are written regarding "the love of many growing cold" and "brother betraying brother", are the power of God unto salvation.

"Be not troubled."

Are you familiar the scripture that say that some twist the scriptures? Because that is exactly what you are doing. You have only helped to prove my opening post. Like an unrepentant person, who was caught committing a crime, you go to such length to justify confusion among those who claim to serving God and obeying Jesus.

2 Peter 3:16 (MOFF)
16 speaking of this as he has done in all his letters—letters containing some knotty points, which ignorant and unsteady souls twist (as they do the rest of the scriptures) to their own destruction.

Jesus prayed to His Father to make His people one just like He and His Father are one.

John 17:22 (KJV)
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Is there any prayer that Jesus has ever prayed and His Father never answered?


The bible say that two cannot walk unless they are in agreement.

Amos 3:3 (NKJV)
3 Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?

God is not into confusion or confounding among His people. In fact, God provided a way around that when He gave the disciples the ability to speak in other languages on the day of Pentecost.

Acts 2:1-12 (KJV)
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

The only one who wants confusion and confounding is satan, the god of this world, and he has been busy among the churches in that respect. But God's true Church is not a part of that......they are one as Jesus prayed His Father to make them one.








 

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No...these things are rather a component of "My strength is made perfect in weakness."

"Confounded" is like "weakness", like "strength", but misunderstood.

Just as "blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in", so too, have we all had limited access to "all truth" until these times. Likewise, those things that are written regarding "the love of many growing cold" and "brother betraying brother", are the power of God unto salvation.

"Be not troubled."
nice :)
 

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Are you familiar the scripture that say that some twist the scriptures? Because that is exactly what you are doing. You have only helped to prove my opening post. Like an unrepentant person, who was caught committing a crime, you go to such length to justify confusion among those who claim to serving God and obeying Jesus.

2 Peter 3:16 (MOFF)
16 speaking of this as he has done in all his letters—letters containing some knotty points, which ignorant and unsteady souls twist (as they do the rest of the scriptures) to their own destruction.

Jesus prayed to His Father to make His people one just like He and His Father are one.

John 17:22 (KJV)
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Is there any prayer that Jesus has ever prayed and His Father never answered?


The bible say that two cannot walk unless they are in agreement.

Amos 3:3 (NKJV)
3 Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?

God is not into confusion or confounding among His people. In fact, God provided a way around that when He gave the disciples the ability to speak in other languages on the day of Pentecost.

Acts 2:1-12 (KJV)
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

The only one who wants confusion and confounding is satan, the god of this world, and he has been busy among the churches in that respect. But God's true Church is not a part of that......they are one as Jesus prayed His Father to make them one.
His words are clear.

You blind yourself and therefore are blind, as said the profit Isaiah.

I did not twist the scriptures as some do, but explained them plainly according to the renewing of the mind. But God has revealed Himself and His mysteries openly, and you refuse to see it, not in my words, but in His.

The "Oneness" that you sighted several times...is "in the same spirit."

What I have told you is "spirit and truth."
 

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His words are clear.

You blind yourself and therefore are blind, as said the profit Isaiah.

I did not twist the scriptures as some do, but explained them plainly according to the renewing of the mind. But God has revealed Himself and His mysteries openly, and you refuse to see it, not in my words, but in His.

The "Oneness" that you sighted several times...is "in the same spirit."

What I have told you is "spirit and truth."

LOL.
 

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I find it ludicrous that an institution which came into existence by the workings of sorcery and idolatry: by a corporate charter (a magical piece of paper), authorized to exist by Ministers of the State (human representatives of non-human authorites), and typically named after a dead person (necromancy), can call itself part of the legitimate corporate body of Christ and people actually listen and takes them seriously.

It is a very dark time. Your corporate ideology which creates your little "Denominations", beings called "Egregores" or "Watchers" in occult circles, was designed by people who were identified as Luciferians during the Enlightenment period. The philosophical relationship between the State and the Corporation is an "image", rather, a mockery of the relationship between God, Christ, and the 'Body'. This allows the democratic State (which is ruled by the Prince of the Powers of the Air) to defacto replace God as the head of each individual corporate "body" and serve as it's "authorizing authority"----Scripture is absolutely clear that Christ's body is authorized by the Most High God and can exist just fine without authorization from the Principalities.

Individual Christians are part of the Body of Christ, the Kingdom of God, whether or not false teachers lead them astray and have them worshiping false gods (in the form of corporate bodies) is between them and God. All the individual can do is walk in the light that they are given and have faith that God will take care of all the rest. Most pastors are in the same boat, they were trained by a clergy that represents the interests of the state-sanctioned mystical being and they're just trying to do what they think is right. It's part of the Mystery of Iniquity which is a tool deployed by God.

Whatever God does, the Devil (AKA the spirit of the Flesh) must co-opt and attempt to place his own creation as the higher authority.
 

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You have rejected the things that I have said, why would you believe me now?

I am not so proud that i cant be corrected.. If you claim to be a member of the one true Church and can demonstrate that claim, and that authority, i would be foolish to not at least examine the evidence of that claim...

Peace!
 

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Individual Christians are part of the Body of Christ, the Kingdom of God, whether or not false teachers lead them astray and have them worshiping false gods (in the form of corporate bodies) is between them and God. All the individual can do is walk in the light that they are given and have faith that God will take care of all the rest. Most pastors are in the same boat, they were trained by a clergy that represents the interests of the state-sanctioned mystical being and they're just trying to do what they think is right. It's part of the Mystery of Iniquity which is a tool deployed by God.

Whatever God does, the Devil (AKA the spirit of the Flesh) must co-opt and attempt to place his own creation as the higher authority.

That's not true. The scripture say that it's not possible for the elected ones of God to be deceived.

Matthew 24:24 (KJV)
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Those who are deceived is because they don't have a love of the truth......traditions is more important to them.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


Matthew 15:9 (KJV)
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Much of what comes under the banner of mainstream christianity today, is based on teaching and doctrine of men and not something that Jesus preached or taught. Try and correct them and they get offended, defensive and resentful. Hardly the kind of attitude that Jesus His people to have.
 

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I am not so proud that i cant be corrected.. If you claim to be a member of the one true Church and can demonstrate that claim, and that authority, i would be foolish to not at least examine the evidence of that claim...

Peace!

Look for a people who are doing this.

John 10:27 (KJV)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Follow: akoloutheō = a follower," or "companion" (from the prefix a, here expressing "union, likeness," and keleuthos, "a way;" hence, "one going in the same way")

What does the Bible say Jesus did?

Luke 4:43 (KJV)
43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

Jesus preached the kingdom of God. How many churches do you know that has been doing that? Not many.....very few. Look for the Church that is preaching the kingdom of God. Look for people that are humble enough to be taught and corrected when they are shown something that they should be doing but is not.

Look for a people who are like the Bereans.

Acts 17:10-12 (KJV)
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
 

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That's not true. The scripture say that it's not possible for the elected ones of God to be deceived.

Matthew 24:24 (KJV)
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Those who are deceived is because they don't have a love of the truth......traditions is more important to them.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


Matthew 15:9 (KJV)
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Much of what comes under the banner of mainstream christianity today, is based on teaching and doctrine of men and not something that Jesus preached or taught. Try and correct them and they get offended, defensive and resentful. Hardly the kind of attitude that Jesus His people to have.

Good correction. Technically, can't be deceived about something if you're not even aware of it. But God's people can certainly walk in the darkness and be 'unaware' of things... I can back that up if needed =P
 

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Good correction. Technically, can't be deceived about something if you're not even aware of it. But God's people can certainly walk in the darkness and be 'unaware' of things... I can back that up if needed =P

Being deceived means that one is not aware that they are deceived.....you only know it after you come to the knowledge that you were deceived when you begin to grasp the truth. But the scripture clearly say that it's not possible for the elect to be deceived period. In other words, they are fully aware of the truth.


When some is walking in darkness it means they are not God's elect. The scripture say His people are the light of the world, and they are sons of light. One cannot be sons of light and be walking in darkness.That is nonsensical reasoning and a contradiction of the scripture....something that would only come from the convoluted and twisted mind of the devil.

1 Thessalonians 5:4-5 (NKJV)
4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
 
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Ultimately, it was Jesus' intention to make Himself obsolete, where we won't need Him to do for us what we are capable of doing for ourselves.
You have simply manufactured this idea out of your own head. There is no Scripture to support such nonsense.

JOHN 15
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
 

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My pleasure. It would be nice if everybody had your attitude towards new understanding. Ultimately, it was Jesus' intention to make Himself obsolete, where we won't need Him to do for us what we are capable of doing for ourselves. Jesus' purpose was to let us know that we have it in us to do the same things He did. This is why Jesus said nothing is impossible for the one who has faith as small as a mustard seed. He took His disciples with Him to show them what is possible, then sent them out to do the same things He did. Which was why He was angry with His disciples, when they came back to Him and said they couldn't cast out the demon out of the boy.
You do know this entire concept is contrary to what the Bible teaches, don't you?