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Philip James

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Only a fool would baptize a baby and consider them saved. How many infants crawl down church aisles to answer a call to repentance and salvation?


If its foolish to believe that my God, can, and will, pour out His Grace and give Life to my child then I am a fool.

If its foolish to believe that HE would hear my prayer, and that of HIS church, and answer it, then I am a fool.

If its foolish to believe that the faith of my mother, and my brothers and sisters was enough to procure for me this gift, then I am a fool

If its foolish to believe that the Holy Spirit has been with me since before I can remember, and never has left me (even when I didn't listen to HIM!) then I am a fool

If its foolish to believe Jesus' words that if I eat His flesh and drink His Blood, HE will abide in me and I in HIM, then i am a fool.

If its foolish to believe that Jesus is my Lord, my Saviour, my King, my Master, and my God, then i am a fool.

But I am HIS fool, and I and my household will serve HIM.

Peace!
 
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Interesting.

Perhaps you could show us where the Scriptures make this claim.
Where does the Bible say that Baptism is NOT for infants or small children?

Acts 2:38-39
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
I agree completely. The problem with church tradition is that we take it as law... even if not supported by scripture.
 

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I agree. These prohibitions, these prerequisites that the Anabaptist invented in the 16th Century are not to be found anywhere in Scripture.
Actually you are quite mistaken. Scripture makes it crystal clear that only sinners who repent and believe will know what it means to be buried in the likeness of His death, and raised to walk in newness of life. That is what Scriptural baptism -- which is by immersion -- signifies.

ROMANS 6
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.


Water baptism symbolizes death, burial, and resurrection with Christ, so that the baptized believer knows that now he is dead to sin and alive to God. His old life is dead and gone and buried with Christ, and he is a new creature in Christ, since Christ is within.

Now there is no infant or young child who could possibly understand this. And unless a believer is baptized by immersion, they will not understand the meaning of baptism either. Therefore when the Ethiopian eunuch asked Philip what was hindering him from being baptized, Philip required a public profession of faith in Christ. It was only on the basis of this that he went ahead and baptized the Ethiopian. So once again, no infant or young child could make such a profession without a clear understanding that Christ died for his sins and rose again for his justification.

ACTS 8
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. [NOTE: MODERN VERSIONS HAVE OMITTED THIS KEY VERSE]

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

The only reason traditionalist churches baptize infants is because they believe in the false doctrine of baptismal regeneration. Since Protestants could not accept this, they changed the meaning of baptism to become a sign of a covenant, similar to circumcision. But that is not to be found in Scripture. Hence the bitter persecution of the Anabaptists by the Protestants.
 
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The only reason traditionalist churches baptize infants is because they believe in the false doctrine of baptismal regeneration.

False? You just quoted Paul who affirms that regeneration ...

Know ye not....
 
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imho jnfant baptism makes more sense now than adult baptism considering the requirement and qualification is repent and/or believe - twinc

What? Huh? You got it backwards, right? Wait, I need to reread that again (?)

Now? No, Bible is still correct.
 

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A baby cannot be born again. After all, it hasn't been nearly so long since their first one. My children as I stated earlier, were saved really and truly born again by the age of seven. One was saved at the age of five. She could read the Bible very well by then stumbling over a word like Nebuchadnezzar now and then. They were homeschooled and Jesus was a part of their every day life from birth. At five she said "Jesus come into my heart and be happy in my heart". Later she was baptized in water and after that Jesus baptized her in the Holy Spirit.

Children being of understanding, can certainly be born again, not just the words, and baptism after teaching on its meaning can proceed. Burying with full immersion representing the death of the old man and rising up out of the water being born again.

Babies no more can comprehend the message of salvation than they understand algebra.

I don't understand why people hold to the tenets of their denomination and and its traditions more than to the Bible. It's a mystery why men's creations are worshipped more than God.

Why are the teachings and traditions of a man made institution held with greater esteem than the plainly stated word of God?

Only God can change a person's understanding and that only if a burning desire to draw closer to God is present. N

My praise to Him for coming and saving me outside of church walls is continual. I owe no denomination, sect, group, institution or man thanks but God only. The 34th chapter of Ezekiel contains my testimony. The Holy Spirit yet seeks and fetches those scattered sheep that are ignored by the religious denominations.

I'm no better, my salvation no greater than another's, but by being unfettered by tradition and denominational dogma and error I need not proclaim continuing departure from what God has written to all men in the Holy Bible.

What does Jesus tell you of these things? Not what does the high potentate, the doctrinal statement, the traditions of the church you attend and were brought up in say to you but God?

His sheep know His voice. What does Jesus say to you about the scripture? As a Christian surely you must hear from Him apart from a go between priest or some other man.

1 Timothy 2:5 KJVS
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Alas Jesus is blocked out by the traditions of men. Forget debates, what does Jesus speak to you?
 

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I agree completely. The problem with church tradition is that we take it as law... even if not supported by scripture.
Gen. 17:12, Lev. 12:3 – these texts show the circumcision of eight-day old babies as the way of entering into the Old Covenant – Col 2:11-12 – however, baptism is the new “circumcision” for all people of the New Covenant. Therefore, baptism is for babies as well as adults. God did not make His new Covenant narrower than the old Covenant. To the contrary, He made it wider, for both Jews and Gentiles, infants and adults.

Job 14:1-4 – man that is born of woman is full of trouble and unclean. Baptism is required for all human beings because of our sinful human nature.

Psalm 51:5 – we are conceived in the iniquity of sin. This shows the necessity of baptism from conception.

Matt. 18:2-5 – Jesus says unless we become like children, we cannot enter into heaven. So why would children be excluded from baptism?

Matt 19:14 – Jesus clearly says the kingdom of heaven also belongs to children. There is no age limit on entering the kingdom, and no age limit for being eligible for baptism.

Mark 10:14 – Jesus says to let the children come to Him for the kingdom of God also belongs to them. Jesus says nothing about being too young to come into the kingdom of God.

Mark 16:16 – Jesus says to the crowd, “He who believes and is baptized will be saved.” But in reference to the same people, Jesus immediately follows with “He who does not believe will be condemned.” This demonstrates that one can be baptized and still not be a believer. This disproves the Protestant argument that one must be a believer to be baptized. There is nothing in the Bible about a “believer’s baptism.”

Luke 18:15 – Jesus says, “Let the children come to me.” The people brought infants to Jesus that he might touch them. This demonstrates that the receipt of grace is not dependent upon the age of reason.

Acts 2:38 – Peter says to the multitude, “Repent and be baptized..” Protestants use this verse to prove one must be a believer (not an infant) to be baptized. But the Greek translation literally says, “If you repent, then each one who is a part of you and yours must each be baptized” (“Metanoesate kai bapistheto hekastos hymon.”) This, contrary to what Protestants argue, actually proves that babies are baptized based on their parents’ faith. This is confirmed in the next verse.

Acts 2:39 – Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults. “Those far off” refers to those who were at their “homes” (primarily infants and children). God’s covenant family includes children. The word “children” that Peter used comes from the Greek word “teknon” which also includes infants.

Luke 1:59 – this proves that “teknon” includes infants. Here, John as a “teknon” (infant) was circumcised. See also Acts 21:21 which uses “teknon” for eight-day old babies. So baptism is for infants as well as adults.

Acts 10:47-48 – Peter baptized the entire house of Cornelius, which generally included infants and young children. There is not one word in Scripture about baptism being limited to adults.

Acts 16:15 – Paul baptized Lydia and her entire household. The word “household” comes from the Greek word “oikos” which is a household that includes infants and children.

Acts 16:15 – further, Paul baptizes the household based on Lydia’s faith, not the faith of the members of the household. This demonstrates that parents can present their children for baptism based on the parents’ faith, not the children’s faith.

Acts 16:30-33 – it was only the adults who were candidates for baptism that had to profess a belief in Jesus. This is consistent with the Church’s practice of instructing catechumens before baptism. But this verse does not support a “believer’s baptism” requirement for everyone. See Acts 16:15,33.

The earlier one comes to baptism, the better. For those who come to baptism as adults, the Church has always required them to profess their belief in Christ. For babies who come to baptism, the Church has always required the parents to profess the belief in Christ on behalf of the baby. But there is nothing in the Scriptures about a requirement for ALL baptism candidates to profess their own belief in Christ (because the Church has baptized babies for 2,000 years).

Acts 16:33 – Paul baptized the jailer (an adult) and his entire household (which had to include children). Baptism is never limited to adults and those of the age of reason. See also Luke 19:9; John 4:53; Acts 11:14; 1 Cor. 1:16; and 1 Tim. 3:12; Gen. 31:41; 36:6; 41:51; Joshua 24:15; 2 Sam. 7:11, 1 Chron. 10:6 which shows “oikos” generally includes children.

Rom. 5:12 – sin came through Adam and death through sin. Babies’ souls are affected by Adam’s sin and need baptism just like adult souls.

Rom. 5:15 – the grace of Jesus Christ surpasses that of the Old Covenant. So children can also enter the new Covenant in baptism. From a Jewish perspective, it would have been unthinkable to exclude infants and children from God’s Covenant kingdom.

1 Cor. 1:16 – Paul baptized the household (“oikos”) of Stephanus. Baptism is not limited to adults.

Eph. 1:1; Col. 1:2 – Paul addresses the “saints” of the Church, and these include the children he addresses in Eph. 6:1 and Col. 3:20. Children become saints of the Church only through baptism.

Eph. 2:3 – we are all by nature children of wrath, in sin, like all mankind. Infants are no exception. See also Psalm 51:5 and Job 14:1-4 which teach us we are conceived in sin and born unclean.

2 Thess. 3:10 – if anyone does not work let him not eat. But this implies that those who are unable to work should still be able to eat. Babies should not starve because they are unable to work, and should also not be denied baptism because they are unable to make a declaration of faith.

Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:3-5 – the faith of those who brought in the paralytic cured the paralytic’s sins. This is an example of the forgiveness of sins based on another’s faith, just like infant baptism. The infant child is forgiven of sin based on the parents’ faith.

Matt. 8:5-13 – the servant is healed based upon the centurion’s faith. This is another example of healing based on another’s faith. If Jesus can heal us based on someone else’s faith, then He can baptize us based on someone else’s faith as well.

Mark 9:22-25 – Jesus exercises the child’s unclean spirit based on the father’s faith. This healing is again based on another’s faith.

1 Cor. 7:14 – Paul says that children are sanctified by God through the belief of only one of their parents.

Exodus 12:24-28 – the Passover was based on the parent’s faith. If they did not kill and eat the lamb, their first-born child died.

Joshua 5:2-7 – God punished Israel because the people had not circumcised their children. This was based on the parent’s faith. The parents play a critical role in their child’s salvation.

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Babies no more can comprehend the message of salvation than they understand algebra.

Does one require the ability to comprehend the message to be given the gift of Faith?, the Holy Spirit?.... are those with mental incapacity unable to be saved? You can't put a limit on God's Grace... He gives His gifts to whom He wills, and I know He answers the prayers of His children.

Peace!

sounds like you did a great job with your kids! Alleluia!
 

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There is nothing in the Bible about a “believer’s baptism.”
Pinocchio's nose is growing!

Mark 1:4-5KJV
4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
 

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And many, both men and women, who have been Christ’s disciples from childhood, remain pure and at the age of sixty or seventy years…”
Justin Martyr, First Apology, 15:6 (A.D. 110-165).

“And when a child has been born to one of them, they give thanks to God [baptism]; and if moreover it happen to die in childhood, they give thanks to God the more, as for one who as passed through the world without sins.”
Aristides, Apology, 15 (A.D. 140).
 

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And many, both men and women, who have been Christ’s disciples from childhood, remain pure and at the age of sixty or seventy years…”
Justin Martyr, First Apology, 15:6 (A.D. 110-165).

“And when a child has been born to one of them, they give thanks to God [baptism]; and if moreover it happen to die in childhood, they give thanks to God the more, as for one who as passed through the world without sins.”
Aristides, Apology, 15 (A.D. 140).
epostle1
There is nothing in the Bible about a “believer’s baptism.”
Pinocchio's nose is growing again!

Mark 1:4-5KJV
4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins
 

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Gen. 17:12, Lev. 12:3 – these texts show the circumcision of eight-day old babies as the way of entering into the Old Covenant – Col 2:11-12 – however, baptism is the new “circumcision” for all people of the New Covenant. Therefore, baptism is for babies as well as adults. God did not make His new Covenant narrower than the old
Covenant. To the contrary, He made it wider, for both Jews and Gentiles, infants and adults.

Job 14:1-4 – man that is born of woman is full of trouble and unclean. Baptism is required for all human beings because of our sinful human nature.

Psalm 51:5 – we are conceived in the iniquity of sin. This shows the necessity of baptism from conception.

Matt. 18:2-5 – Jesus says unless we become like children, we cannot enter into heaven. So why would children be excluded from baptism?

Matt 19:14 – Jesus clearly says the kingdom of heaven also belongs to children. There is no age limit on entering the kingdom, and no age limit for being eligible for baptism.

Mark 10:14 – Jesus says to let the children come to Him for the kingdom of God also belongs to them. Jesus says nothing about being too young to come into the kingdom of God.

Mark 16:16 – Jesus says to the crowd, “He who believes and is baptized will be saved.” But in reference to the same people, Jesus immediately follows with “He who does not believe will be condemned.” This demonstrates that one can be baptized and still not be a believer. This disproves the Protestant argument that one must be a believer to be baptized. There is nothing in the Bible about a “believer’s baptism.”

Luke 18:15 – Jesus says, “Let the children come to me.” The people brought infants to Jesus that he might touch them. This demonstrates that the receipt of grace is not dependent upon the age of reason.

Acts 2:38 – Peter says to the multitude, “Repent and be baptized..” Protestants use this verse to prove one must be a believer (not an infant) to be baptized. But the Greek translation literally says, “If you repent, then each one who is a part of you and yours must each be baptized” (“Metanoesate kai bapistheto hekastos hymon.”) This, contrary to what Protestants argue, actually proves that babies are baptized based on their parents’ faith. This is confirmed in the next verse.

Acts 2:39 – Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults. “Those far off” refers to those who were at their “homes” (primarily infants and children). God’s covenant family includes children. The word “children” that Peter used comes from the Greek word “teknon” which also includes infants.

Luke 1:59 – this proves that “teknon” includes infants. Here, John as a “teknon” (infant) was circumcised. See also Acts 21:21 which uses “teknon” for eight-day old babies. So baptism is for infants as well as adults.

Acts 10:47-48 – Peter baptized the entire house of Cornelius, which generally included infants and young children. There is not one word in Scripture about baptism being limited to adults.

Acts 16:15 – Paul baptized Lydia and her entire household. The word “household” comes from the Greek word “oikos” which is a household that includes infants and children.

Acts 16:15 – further, Paul baptizes the household based on Lydia’s faith, not the faith of the members of the household. This demonstrates that parents can present their children for baptism based on the parents’ faith, not the children’s faith.

Acts 16:30-33 – it was only the adults who were candidates for baptism that had to profess a belief in Jesus. This is consistent with the Church’s practice of instructing catechumens before baptism. But this verse does not support a “believer’s baptism” requirement for everyone. See Acts 16:15,33.

The earlier one comes to baptism, the better. For those who come to baptism as adults, the Church has always required them to profess their belief in Christ. For babies who come to baptism, the Church has always required the parents to profess the belief in Christ on behalf of the baby. But there is nothing in the Scriptures about a requirement for ALL baptism candidates to profess their own belief in Christ (because the Church has baptized babies for 2,000 years).

Acts 16:33 – Paul baptized the jailer (an adult) and his entire household (which had to include children). Baptism is never limited to adults and those of the age of reason. See also Luke 19:9; John 4:53; Acts 11:14; 1 Cor. 1:16; and 1 Tim. 3:12; Gen. 31:41; 36:6; 41:51; Joshua 24:15; 2 Sam. 7:11, 1 Chron. 10:6 which shows “oikos” generally includes children.

Rom. 5:12 – sin came through Adam and death through sin. Babies’ souls are affected by Adam’s sin and need baptism just like adult souls.

Rom. 5:15 – the grace of Jesus Christ surpasses that of the Old Covenant. So children can also enter the new Covenant in baptism. From a Jewish perspective, it would have been unthinkable to exclude infants and children from God’s Covenant kingdom.

1 Cor. 1:16 – Paul baptized the household (“oikos”) of Stephanus. Baptism is not limited to adults.

Eph. 1:1; Col. 1:2 – Paul addresses the “saints” of the Church, and these include the children he addresses in Eph. 6:1 and Col. 3:20. Children become saints of the Church only through baptism.

Eph. 2:3 – we are all by nature children of wrath, in sin, like all mankind. Infants are no exception. See also Psalm 51:5 and Job 14:1-4 which teach us we are conceived in sin and born unclean.

2 Thess. 3:10 – if anyone does not work let him not eat. But this implies that those who are unable to work should still be able to eat. Babies should not starve because they are unable to work, and should also not be denied baptism because they are unable to make a declaration of faith.

Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:3-5 – the faith of those who brought in the paralytic cured the paralytic’s sins. This is an example of the forgiveness of sins based on another’s faith, just like infant baptism. The infant child is forgiven of sin based on the parents’ faith.

Matt. 8:5-13 – the servant is healed based upon the centurion’s faith. This is another example of healing based on another’s faith. If Jesus can heal us based on someone else’s faith, then He can baptize us based on someone else’s faith as well.

Mark 9:22-25 – Jesus exercises the child’s unclean spirit based on the father’s faith. This healing is again based on another’s faith.

1 Cor. 7:14 – Paul says that children are sanctified by God through the belief of only one of their parents.

Exodus 12:24-28 – the Passover was based on the parent’s faith. If they did not kill and eat the lamb, their first-born child died.

Joshua 5:2-7 – God punished Israel because the people had not circumcised their children. This was based on the parent’s faith. The parents play a critical role in their child’s salvation.

SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM - Scripture Catholic

I agree completely. What I meant was thag people who believe in Believers Baptism only hold to church tradition more than scripture.
 

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I agree completely. What I meant was that people who believe in Believers Baptism only hold to church tradition more than scripture.
Quite the opposite. The Bible clearly teaches believer's baptism, and only those who promote baptismal regeneration (via church tradition) believe that infants must be baptized.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:16)

1. These are the words of the Lord Jesus Christ, hence the words of God.
2. Christ gives us the proper sequence of what must happen. First comes believing, then comes baptism. Hence "believer's baptism".
3. Repentance must accompany believing, as other Scriptures confirm. Hence Peter's admonition -- "Repent and be baptized" (Acts 2:38).
4. Therefore it is crystal clear from Scripture that only those who can actually respond to the Gospel and obey the Gospel may be baptized.
 

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A baby cannot be born again. After all, it hasn't been nearly so long since their first one. My children as I stated earlier, were saved really and truly born again by the age of seven. One was saved at the age of five. She could read the Bible very well by then stumbling over a word like Nebuchadnezzar now and then. They were homeschooled and Jesus was a part of their every day life from birth. At five she said "Jesus come into my heart and be happy in my heart". Later she was baptized in water and after that Jesus baptized her in the Holy Spirit.

Children being of understanding, can certainly be born again, not just the words, and baptism after teaching on its meaning can proceed. Burying with full immersion representing the death of the old man and rising up out of the water being born again.

Babies no more can comprehend the message of salvation than they understand algebra.

I don't understand why people hold to the tenets of their denomination and and its traditions more than to the Bible. It's a mystery why men's creations are worshipped more than God.

Why are the teachings and traditions of a man made institution held with greater esteem than the plainly stated word of God?

Only God can change a person's understanding and that only if a burning desire to draw closer to God is present. N

My praise to Him for coming and saving me outside of church walls is continual. I owe no denomination, sect, group, institution or man thanks but God only. The 34th chapter of Ezekiel contains my testimony. The Holy Spirit yet seeks and fetches those scattered sheep that are ignored by the religious denominations.

I'm no better, my salvation no greater than another's, but by being unfettered by tradition and denominational dogma and error I need not proclaim continuing departure from what God has written to all men in the Holy Bible.

What does Jesus tell you of these things? Not what does the high potentate, the doctrinal statement, the traditions of the church you attend and were brought up in say to you but God?

His sheep know His voice. What does Jesus say to you about the scripture? As a Christian surely you must hear from Him apart from a go between priest or some other man.

1 Timothy 2:5 KJVS
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Alas Jesus is blocked out by the traditions of men. Forget debates, what does Jesus speak to you?
Ummmmm, first of all -the Word of God disagrees with your position.

Secondly - any reason you haven't addressed the Scriptural evidence against your position in posts #18 and 19??
 

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Well, if you know any old folks that are still in the Catholic Church, maybe they need
to be talked to ?????
My parents brought me up this way....... and I and my husband both did the same.
Catholic Church, no bible [ again this is from the 40's and 50's ] I'm not Catholic now.
We never used a bible.... and never had to. Just the prayer book......

Now we know we do not even have to be Baptized.....
 

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Well, if you know any old folks that are still in the Catholic Church, maybe they need
to be talked to ?????
My parents brought me up this way....... and I and my husband both did the same.
Catholic Church, no bible [ again this is from the 40's and 50's ] I'm not Catholic now.
We never used a bible.... and never had to. Just the prayer book......

Now we know we do not even have to be Baptized.....
If your parents were Catholic, you do not need re-baptism.
Some converts are surprised to discover they don't need baptism, because the Church recognizes baptism from other churches as valid.
Catholics use the Bible in daily liturgy. The Bible says to HEAR the word of God, it says nothing about READING it.
Protestants use the Bible for reading, devotions and sometimes church services.
Just because Catholics use the Bible differently from Protestants does not mean it is wrong.
There is more Bible read out loud at one Mass than a month of Protestant services.
Your view of the CC is based on 70-80 year old memories, you are not being fair.
 
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A Christian Nation or the Kingdome of God ? is blessed ! and in that all who are born into it should be Baptised directly for sure regardless, as that is ones Christian duty and hope to your Children so as to bring them up in the hope that they will be Born Again of the Holy Spirit.

Water Baptism does not save you, it welcomes you into the Kingdom, but is to lead you to repentance and hope of being baptised in the Holy Spirit.

Water Baptism is like being welcomed into the tribe of Judah ( the people of God ).
Holy Spirit Baptism is like that of Israel ( the servants of God ) just as it was with Jacob when he became Israel.
Jacob was given that name Israel for a reason and you all should know that point in the Bible, but sadly the bastards don't preach it, because it may wake you up ! it's a state of being one ? not a State or a Nation.

Kingdome of God is above Nations or Politics, but sadly people are that degenerate nowadays that the Politics are swayed above God.
Church and State it is and Jesus Christ takes the place at the Head.
Only Satanist work to undermine Church and State and the Marxist Communist Socialist always peddle such, because they truly reject Jesus Christ and are on a mans works doctrine and when one swallows the trendy cunning lies of that, like you should not baptise you children until they know or want to, such is another work of diddling you to reject the kingdom of God for a political Godless State, freemasons sadly do this, because they do not truly believe in the Kingdom of God and that's why they are in bed with the Jews and Islam, sadly everything is a secret with them because they are under darkness, plenty of them are good people but lost. you do not see the works of darkness in Jesus Christ at all and he is totally freely open and honest with all, there is no steps to clime and no one stands above another and freely gives openly all he has in Christ.

Baptising you Children will not harm them at all and I have never come across a person who would be upset because it was done, so when one truly understands, they may look back and be glad that dear mum and dad loved them enough to make the commitment to truly welcome them into the Church and that's what it's all about.
 

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If your parents were Catholic, you do not need re-baptism.
Some converts are surprised to discover they don't need baptism, because the Church recognizes baptism from other churches as valid.
Catholics use the Bible in daily liturgy. The Bible says to HEAR the word of God, it says nothing about READING it.
Protestants use the Bible for reading, devotions and sometimes church services.
Just because Catholics use the Bible differently from Protestants does not mean it is wrong.
There is more Bible read out loud at one Mass than a month of Protestant services.
Your view of the CC is based on 70-80 year old memories, you are not being fair.

It was way different back then !!!!! In my time !

Went to mass , 6 day's a week and 5 of them were all in Latin !
I do not understand or speak that........... So we did not learn any thing at mass.
Sunday the priest spoke about 10 min. in English in the middle of mass.

This is back in the 1940's and 1950's.....
And to belong to the church you had to get Baptized....... and that was as
a baby !
 

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This is a moot point since, starting in about 63AD, we have been in a 2000 year period of Pure Grace and all ordinances have been set aside, including all forms of water baptism - Eph 2:15, Col 2:20. The only thing that water baptism does today is get you wet. When we believe in Christ, the only thing we're immersed in today is the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13), the one baptism of Eph 4:5.