Why I DON'T believe Cain was the "literal" offspring of Eve and Satan

Sorry,they are the sons of Cain most were killed off either through the flood or war it took two men to carry one cluster of Grapes according to Joshuait was why God ordered all men women and children killed except the virgins it was because he was killing off the tribes of these hybrids where to you think Goliath came from he was one of the sons of cain kennites (meaning descendant of Cain) there are no pure bread nephalism on earth at present only descendants of Cain these are the Taresthey are the jews who say they are jews BUT ARE NOT in Rev.2 & 3 these are what the two churches God was pleased with taught this is the key to understanding Gods entire plan in scripture from genesis to rev. its called the key of DavidSo what do they look like just like us you know these tares by their fruit but the fallen ones will return as it was in the days of Noah it will be again what were they doing in Noahs day "giving and taking of marriage to Fallen Angels (the sons of God)funny you call this mans doctrine instead of Gods word it is plainly written many archaeologists that research this have asked the Vatican for years to turn over the skeletal remains of the giants they hold they of course refuse but in early days many of the remains found were turned over to Vatican Well of course if they don't teach this it would be hard to explain wouldn't it.!!Im surprised I did know they didnt teach Nephilliem of scripture its written in Jubilees (I'll post below)so I would have thought it would have been taughtfunny they add other cannon books but left out Enoch maybe thats why.

Fallen Angels/Sons of GodGENESIS 6:1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. 3 And the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. (NKJV)There has been much speculation about who these "sons of God" mentioned in the 6th chapter of Genesis were. To determine who these "sons of God" were, we'll first examine what various outside sources have to say about this topic. Then we'll examine the ultimate authority, the Bible, to see its position. Let's start with a quotation and footnote from William Whitson's translation of the respected 1st-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus' history of the Jewish people: Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations; but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their forefathers, and did neither pay those honors to God which were appointed to them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shown for virtue, they now showed by their actions a double degree of wickedness; whereby they made God to be their enemy, for many angels* of God accompanied with women and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians called giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did; and, being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions and their acts for the better; but, seeing that they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married; so he departed out of that land. (p. 32, bk. 1, ch. 3, §§72-74, The Antiquities of the Jews, translated by William Whitson) * This notion, that the fallen angels were, in some sense the fathers of the old giants, was the constant opinion of antiquity. As you can see, Josephus believed and recorded that "the sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6 were fallen angels. As Whitson's footnote acknowledges, this belief was standard in the ancient world. Another well-known 1st-century Jewish writer, Philo of Alexandria, shared Josephus' views on this topic. In his work "On the Giants," Philo wrote: "And when the angels of God saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, they took unto themselves wives of all them whom they chose." Those beings, whom other philosophers call demons, Moses usually calls angels . . . (p. 152, The Works of Philo, "On the Giants," translated by C.D. Yonge) The Book of Enoch (also called I Enoch) is a collection of pseudepigraphic writings by various authors which dates to the 1st or 2nd century BCE. This book was well-known by the early church; in fact, Jude, the brother of Jesus, quoted Enoch 1:9 in verses 14 and 15 of his epistle. Obviously Jude felt that the Book of Enoch he had access to in the 1st century was trustworthy. This work, which survived to our day against great odds, deals extensively with the fall of the angels. It was viewed favorably by some early "Christian" writers also (Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, and others). However, it was never universally accepted as inspired Scripture. Below is a selection from the Book of Enoch which records the sin of the angelic "watchers": ENOCH 6:1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not 4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon . . . (From The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, translated by R.H. Charles)A similar passage is also found in the pseudepigraphic Book of Jubilees: JUBILEES 5:1 And it came to pass when the children of men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them, that the angels of God saw them on a certain year of this jubilee, that they were beautiful to look upon; and they took themselves wives of all whom they 2 chose, and they bare unto them sons and they were giants. And lawlessness increased on the earth and all flesh corrupted its way, alike men and cattle and beasts and birds and everything that walks on the earth – all of them corrupted their ways and their orders, and they began to devour each other, and lawlessness increased on the earth and every imagination of the thoughts of all men 3 (was) thus evil continually . . . (From The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, translated by R.H. Charles)The Genesis Apocryphon, one of the texts uncovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls, also contains references to the angels interbreeding with human women. In this text, a conversation between Lamech, the father of Noah, and his wife Bathenosh is detailed. Lamech questions his wife because he thinks that the conception of Noah was due to either an angel or one of their offspring, a nephilim. The Book of Enoch, the Book of Jubilees, and the Genesis Apocryphon all clearly show that the common understanding at the time of Christ was that the fallen host had committed fornication with women in the period before the Flood. As stated previously, many early Christian writers accepted the story told in Enoch as fact. Let's examine the writings of two of them, beginning with Justin Martyr, who lived from 110 CE to 165 CE. Here is what he had to say in chapter 5 of his Second Apology, entitled ""How the Angels Transgressed": God, when He had made the whole world, and subjected things earthly to man, and arranged the heavenly elements for the increase of fruits and rotation of the seasons, and appointed this divine law – for these things also He evidently made for man – committed the care of men and of all things under heaven to angels whom He appointed over them. But the angels transgressed this appointment, and were captivated by love of women, and begat children who are those that are called demons; and besides, they afterwards subdued the human race to themselves, partly by magical writings, and partly by fears and punishments they occasioned, and partly by teaching them to offer sacrifices, and incense, and libations, of which things they stood in need after they enslaved by lustful passions; and among men they sowed murders, wars, adulteries, intemperate needs, and all wickedness. . . . (p. 363, vol. 1, The Ante-Nicene Fathers)Now let's examine chapter 3, "The Worship of Demons," from The Instructions of Commodianus, a North-African bishop who lived about 240 CE: When Almighty God, to beautify the nature of the world, willed that that earth should be visited by angels, when they were sent down they despised His laws. Such was the beauty of women, that it turned them aside; so that, being contaminated, they could not return to heaven. Rebels from God, they uttered words against Him. Then the Highest uttered His judgment against them; and from their seed giants are said to have been born. By them arts were made known in the earth, and they taught the dyeing of wool, and everything which is done; and to them, when they died, men erected images. But the Almighty, because they were of an evil seed, did not approve that, when dead, they should be brought back from death. Whence wandering they now subvert many bodies, and it is such as these especially that ye this day worship and pray to as gods. (p. 435, vol. 4, The Ante-Nicene Fathers)The idea that the nephilim or giants were the offspring of the fallen host and human females was not unique to Judaism. This understanding was likely behind the Greek, Roman, and Egyptian mythologies, as well as those of India and the near east. All these beliefs resulted not as mere inventions of fertile human imagination, but as a corruption of antediluvian truths which were distorted as their origin was forgotten over time. Take, for example, the legend of the Titans. In Greek mythology, the Titans were a family of giant gods who were the offspring of Uranus (heaven) and Gaea (earth). The most famous of the Titans was Cronus, who killed his father. Cronus later led the Titans in their losing war against Zeus and the Olympian gods. After their defeat, the Titans were imprisoned in a section of the underworld called Tartarus.

And lastly let me add what God says about Satan Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart [is] lifted up, and thou hast said, I [am] a God, I sit [in] the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou [art] a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

Kriss,Thanks again for assuming we do not know where man gets the idea that there ever were such creatures. Have never claimed ignorance on how you would support such beliefs from scriptures. In fact am personally very much acquainted with the teachings you espouse, including the scriptures used to support the view. I did not need or ask for a lesson on how one justifies such beliefs. Reason alone tells me angels do not procreate, can not create from “nothing as God can and certainly cannot produce offspring from humans. Some of them apparently can take the “form” of a human and perhaps any form they wished. However, simulating a human form and simulating a procreative act with a real human cannot produce a real anything, other than perhaps the corruption of the human participating in such acts. To simulate, take the form of something, is not the same as “becoming” that thing. Only God can do that, He became a man. Not a form or simulated man, but a real Man. Angels do not have that ability, they can only simulate, fake it.Enough of the rehash on why you believe this. Just wanted to know if you supported the typically racist views of other people that it has been my experience share such beliefs with you. I see you either are not racists in this belief or at least are avoiding going there (and I could understand why you would avoid answering directly if you were racist). Many holding such beliefs do go there and clearly associate these “creatures” with various races of men. If this is a Church position, I suggest you ask around. Am pretty certain you will find if not the leader, some people in the Church holding a very racist view from this teaching.As to the scriptures, the assumption here is that there is no other explanation or that no one has ever adequately expressed an alternative explanation for these verses. Obviously I deny this is true. Believing in angel/human half-breeds is not the only possible explanation for any of these verses. Also personally find alternative explanations much more in agreement with the Bible as a whole (as well as sound reason in general). But again, am not here to convince you otherwise. You are fooling yourself however if you think you arrived at this idea on your own from reading scripture. Such thoughts would never have occurred to you had someone not taught or exposed you to such teachings.

Well believe what you will I believe scriptures and God didnt mean to be assuming I was surprised as I said this isnt a matter of ones salvation And I do not buy the racists veiw of many I dont think anyone today can prove who these tares are I believe they work everywhere if anyone claims they are one race or another they are liars. Tares are anyone that actively do Satans work they come in all shapes and sizes. You might find it of interest to look into the catholic writtings of what they call the Smiths, cenyets,kennities these are those that always worked and lived close to Jews Scripture states THESE ARE NOT JEWSthey are called smiths because no one knows where they came from you might try a search on Smiths here I have posted this before

Well it is not a matter of any ones salvation wether you believe this or not and I wont force it on anyone you either see it or you dont.but if you want to debate it I will argue for it. It is rather an understanding of Gods entire plan and who the principalites we battle are it is the negative to Gods positive in scripture it runs the entire lenghth of the bible we just are not commonly taught it and he has foretold us all things its just wether you see it or not. All the reasons you gave above are easily disproved in Hebrew and scripture they are all the normal replys to what you have been taught but they are wrong but you have to have some understanding of Hebrew for example you say there are no scripture that say Eve had intercourse with Satan true in English but the Hebrew says she was wholly seduced. There is also tons of scripture where people are called trees it is no differnt in Gen who do you think the tree of Good and evil is (Satan himself) he was created good and became evil. I wont go through each reason you gave believe as you like
I find it a little frightening that a moderator (more or less) of a Christian Message Board believes this... But, like you said, this isn't a matter of salvation.

(DrBubbaLove;40754)
Kriss,That is ok. But just to settle your own curiousity you ask elders in your Church if they suspect these creatures can be identified as groups of men (race) today.Try looking up the book of Enoch for more support. There is a reason that book is not in your Bible. Am not interested in finding support for a belief I cannot hold. And as we have been given plausible and reasonable explanations for ALL the verses you quote, I have no reason to believe or seek for an alternative view which creates an illogical possibility from the impossible. Angels cannot mate with humans. Angels do not even procreate among themselves.Angels are spirits; they do not have bodies; which means (unless we put them on equal status with God in having creative power) that angels cannot complete what is a physical and biological act (intercourse, procreation). They could take form and simulate such things, but in order for such an act to result in a new life form, there would need to be either an exchange of PHYSICAL material (which angels do not possesses) or they would have to be “creating” this new life form (nephilim) as God created man. Lacking a physical body, the only way a fallen angel could procreate with mankind would be if they had the same creative powers God has. This we cannot accept.Angels are spirits;Hbr 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation.Glad you are not racist BTW
Well I obviously disagree but out of curiousity who do you think the sons of God are that accompanied Satan to see God in Job. who do you think the nephilim are who do you think Jude is talking about what did these Giants on earth have to do with the Sons of God Why does God call satan a man??Who do you think Rev. warns us about Satan letting out of the abyss??

(Apple of His Eye;40757)
I find it a little frightening that a moderator (more or less) of a Christian Message Board believes this... But, like you said, this isn't a matter of salvation.
No its not its a matter of salvation our salvation depends only on belief in Christ and repentance but what I have written is biblical Just because one is only taught one thing the main message of scripture which is our salvation through Jesus Christ does not mean God didnt tell us more about how and who the enemy is and what we are to watch for he has foretold us all things We are just commonly taught what is necessary for us to be saved, which is what we need to know. And should be our focus.

I have read all the posts except 22-25 so hope my points are not already been made in the latter. There are 2 separate issues being confused in this thread/topic [of whether seed/line is spiritual or literal], one is whether Cain was son of Adam or of Nahash, the other is whether the gibborim/nephilim of Gen 6 were (offspring of) fallen angels/watchers or Sethites.My own informed opinion is that the 1st is spiritual/human (ie Cain son of Adam), but the 2nd is literal (ie gibborim halfcaste offspring of angels).Contrary to claims that Cain was son of Serpent, I noticed somewhile ago that it is in fact Abel's parentage that is not fully visible while Cain's is. Cain is said to be son of Eve in Gen 4:1 , and son of Adam in Gen 4:1. Abel is said to be son of Eve in Gen 4:2, but only subtly implied to be son of Adam via the language of Gen 4:2 hinting that C & A were twins (ref David Fasold). I believe that Abel son of Eve is here possibly a type of Jesus as the seed of the woman (virgin birth). (Misler reckons Eve might have thought Cain was seed of woman?)Seth is son of Adam in 5:3, son of Eve in 4:25.(The Cainites only survived the Flood via the women in the Ark.)For the "sons of God", I believe that they were angels (& not Sethites) because many "myths" (& extra-biblical bks like Enoch) around the world affirm that "gods" did come from the sky in early ancient ages; plus the other complementary verses elsethere in the bible such as in Job, Jude 6, 2 Pet 2:4, Dan 2:41-43; along with bible text study of bible scholars like Chuck Milser. Misler reckons that the 1st "estate" forsaken by angels could mean spiritual bodies/form/state [compare "in my hse many mansions"?], and it is said by some that they "incarnated". (However Derek Prince reckoned that the intermixing was rather via Occult.) Angels and Aliens are often said to have Animal/Creature/Beast faces/heads/forms. Misler said possibly difference between evil/unclean spirits & demons/devils. It is also thought that the mixing of Gen 6 went on with animals too (compare Omoroka/Thalath myth of Berosus, and modern GM/GE). Misler also reckons that the language of the iron & clay verses in Daniel could possibly indicate mixing with angels/"aliens".(However, Petros Koutoupis points out that the Nefilim of Gen 6 were not angels [or rather that they are distinct from the sons of god/angels/gibborim of same chapter]. Compare some claim Adam was a giant) Conclusion therefore is that the 2 seeds/lines/types are spiritual, but that there is also a geneaological/literal/racial element. Just like the "good" seed is both spiritual & genealogical (Church & Israel/chosen people), so too the evil/fallen/unsaved/old/enemy seed is spiritual (tares/goats/left/wide/sand/synagogue of satan) and geneaological (master race/"Aryan"). "Myths" do say that the "gods"/masters were marked by their own skin, size/stature, endowment etc.Further details/info/explanation of mine at:my headnheart blog (aliens/angels/gods; relig & polit of 3rd mill);my lifetradition freewebsite (aliens article & israel page).{Not allowed to post links, but can find the links thru my profile &/or by google/live/yahoo search.}

You are correct there is two topics here they always seem to get combined because it is the proof that Satan (an angel) could have sex with Eve because it is written that Fallen angels of Gen.6 mated withn daughters of men so in using Gen.6 as proof of Satan being perfectly capable of being the first Angel to do this the two get confused.I disagree with the spiritual two seed line I believe it literal because of the proof not only biblical but in history some of which I have presented. But my main reason is biblical it was Satan attempt to destroy the blood line of which Christ would come it is written that Lucifer thought he should be God and sit above the throne of God. Satan was not going to let Christ destroy his plan if he could help it So from day one he set about destroying Gods plan. this is the theme of Satan throughout scripture Good news is Christ overcame God wins. and yes there is over whelming proof of Giants....... nephelium = fallen ones if one researches it and yes I agree it is very biblical

(kriss;40768)
Well I obviously disagree but out of curiousity who do you think the sons of God are that accompanied Satan to see God in Job. who do you think the nephilim are who do you think Jude is talking about what did these Giants on earth have to do with the Sons of God Why does God call satan a man??Who do you think Rev. warns us about Satan letting out of the abyss??
Sons of God in Job mentioned meeting God with Satan – angelsSons of God in Gen 6 – righteous men that followed God, Daughters of men in Gen 6 – just the opposite – people that were given over to lust and not following God. Good people lusting after bad people – old story, still true today.nephilim - people of great lust, passions primarily of violent sort and perhaps larger than normal size but not necessarily so. A fierce people are often described as "giants" by those not wishing to be seen as cowards in opposing them, especially in retelling the story from the view of those not wanting to oppose such people.In the respect that all rational creatures (angels and humans) are in some way made in God's image - we are all sons of God and could properly be referred to as such.Jude refers to some of the fallen angels, the ones that fell following Satan. These all fell at the same time.As any man is properly called a son of God, a man which is also a giant, like Andre the Giant, (God rest his soul) is also properly called a son of God. We are all God’s children.Where is the quote of God calling Satan a man? Satan is a fallen angel, totally and absolutely corrupt – ALL EVIL – nothing good remains in him.Am not sure Revelation tells us Satan lets any beast go. Can you refer me to a specific scripture?

So you think its just poor writing that the sons of God knew the daughters of men and there were giants in the land in those days is just coincidence what would be the point of telling us this non- point here what would some men being taller have to do with anything ? and why would we or God care? that literly defies common sense.but anyway Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.If you read Eze.28 the prince/king of tyrus is Satan God says he is man is he and angel yes but many angels in scripture appear as men the eat they wrestle they behave as men. The spirit body has no gender true we are told this but angels are differnt they do have gender no where are we told angles are genderless in fact they are all male and no where are we told they have any limits to their abiltiys when appearing as men

DrBubbaLoveThis is posted in a few places,but I think it would be good here also.23. "THE SONS OF GOD" IN GEN. 6:2, 4.It is only by the Divine specific act of creation that any created being can be called "a son of God". For that which is "born of the flesh is flesh". God is spirit, and that which is "born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6). Hence Adam is called a "son of God" in Luke 3:38. Those "in Christ" having "the new nature" which is by the direct creation of God (2Cor. 5:17. Eph. 2:10) can be, and are called "sons of God" (John 1:13. Rom. 8:14, 15. 1John 3:1). (*1) This is why angels are called "sons of God" in every other place where the expression is used in the Old Testament. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Ps. 29:1; 89:6. Dan. 3:25 (no art.). (*2) We have no authority or right to take the expression in Gen. 6:2, 4 in any other sense. Moreover, in Gen. 6:2 the Sept. renders it "angels". Angels are called "spirits" (Ps. 104:4. Heb. 1:7, 14), for spirits are created by God. That there was a fall of the angels is certain from Jude 6. The nature of their fall is clearly stated in the same verse. They left their own oijkhthvrion (oiketerion). This word occurs only in 2Cor. 5:2 and Jude 6, where it is used of the spiritual (or resurrection) body. The nature of their sin is stated to be "in like manner" to that of the subsequent sins of Sodom and Gomorrha, Jude 7. The time of their fall is given as having taken place "in the days of Noah" (1Pet. 3:20. 2Pet. 2:7), though there may have been a prior fall which caused the end of "the world that then was" (Gen. 1:1, 2. 2Pet. 3:6). For this sin they are "reserved unto judgment", 2Pet. 2:4, and are "in prison", 1Pet. 3:19. Their progeny, called Nephilim (translated "giants"), were monsters of iniquity; and, being superhuman in size and character, had to be destroyed (see Ap. 25). This was the one and only object of the Flood. Only Noah and his family had preserved their pedigree pure from Adam (Gen. 6:9, see note). All the rest had become "corrupt" (shachath) destroyed [as Adamites]. the only remedy was to destroy it (de facto), as it had become destroyed (de jure). (It is the same word in v. 17 as in vv. 11, 12.) See further under Ap. 25 on the Nephilim. This irruption of fallen angels was Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming of the Seed of the woman foretold in gen. 3:15. If this could be accomplished, God's Word would have failed, and his own doom would be averted. As soon as it was made known that the Seed of the woman was to come through ABRAHAM, there must have been another irruption, as recorded in Gen. 6:4, "and also after that" (i.e. after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the first irruption). The aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan in advance of Abraham, and so to contest its occupation by his seed. For, when Abraham entered Canaan, we read (Gen. 12:6) "the Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land." In the same chapter (Gen. 12:10-20) we see Satan's next attempt to interfere with Abraham's seed, and frustrate the purpose of God that it should be in "Isaac". This attempt was repeated in 20:1-18. This great conflict may be seen throughout the Bible, and it forms a great and important subject of Biblical study. In each case the human instrument had his own personal interest to serve, while Satan had his own great object in view. Hence God had, in each case, to interfere and avert the evil and the danger, of which his servants and people were wholly ignorant. The following assaults of the great Enemy stand out prominently :-- The destruction of the chosen family by famine, Gen. 50:20. The destruction of the male line in Israel, Ex. 1:10, 15, &c. Cp. Ex. 2:5. Heb. 11:23. The destruction of the whole nation in Pharaoh's pursuit, Ex. 14. After David's line was singled out (2Sam. 7), that was the next selected for assault. Satan's first assault was in the union of Jehoram and Athaliah by Jehoshaphat, notwithstanding 2Chron. 17:1. Jehoram killed off all his brothers (2Chron. 21:4). The Arabians slew all his children, except Ahaziah (2Chron. 21:17; 22:1). When Ahaziah died, Athaliah killed "all the seed royal" (2Chron. 22:10). the babe Joash alone was rescued; and, for six years, the faithfulness of Jehovah's word was at stake (2Chron. 23:3). Hezekiah was childless, when a double assault was made by the King of Assyria and the King of Terrors (Isa. 36:1; 38:1). God's faithfulness was appealed to and relied on (Ps. 136). In Captivity, Haman was used to attempt the destruction of the whole nation (Est. 3:6, 12, 13. Cp. 6:1). Joseph's fear was worked on (Matt. 1:18-20). Notwithstanding the fact that he was "a just man", and kept the Law, he did not wish to have Mary stoned to death (Deut. 24:1); hence Joseph determined to divorce her. But God intervened : "Fear not". Herod sought the young Child's life (Matt. 2). At the Temptation, "Cast Thyself down" was Satan's temptation. At Nazareth, again (Luke 4), there was another attempt to cast Him down and destroy Him. The two storms on the Lake were other attempts. At length the cross was reached, and the sepulcher closed; the watch set; and the stone sealed. But "God raised Him from the dead." And now, like another Joash, He is seated and expecting (Heb. 10:12, 13), hidden in the house of God on high; and the members of "the one body" are hidden there "in Him" (Col. 3:1-3), like another Jehoshaba; and going forth to witness of His coming, like another Jehoiada (2Chron. 23:3). The irruption of "the fallen angels" ("sons of God") was the first attempt; and was directed against the whole human race. When Abraham was called, then he and his seed were attacked. When David was enthroned, then the royal line were attacked. And when "the Seed of the woman" Himself came, then the storm burst upon Him. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------(*1) The word "offspring" in Acts 17:28 is quite different. It is gevnos (genos), which means merely kin or kind, our genus as being originated by God. (*2) In Hos. 1:10, it is not beni-ha-Elohim, as here, but beni-el-chai.

There was a song by The Rolling Stones called 'Sympathy for the devil'. I thought it was a weird name, but when I wondered why anyone would feel sorry for satan, I understood that everybody is always blaming all the evil in the world on him. Satan can't actually PERFORM evil, he can only TEMPT and God is in full control (as with Job). It is WE who have the decision to either give in to temptation or not. Sadly, all throughout history, many have given in (even many hide in the churches and teach), but now, The Lord will pour out His spirit so that we can see those who have always hidden. In the last days, "...I will pour out my Spirit"…Galatians 5:16 and 25,”walk by the spirit”…”NEITHER thirst”, Revelation 7:16. The Lord wants to teach us "the depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10), but we/self have to want and be ABLE to listen/hear ("My sheep HEAR my voice", John 10:27). Mankind always very conveniently replaced the three gifts of God's grace to humanity (creation, salvation, Godliness teaching of the spirit) with the teachings/protocols/rituals of the sixth day creation (the spirit of 666). The cover of the New King James Version has a LOGO (God never used a logo) with 3 points and 6 lines (very representative of the contents). It is simply our ‘desire’ to believe that man’s institutional churches cannot be influenced/infiltrated by satan that prevents us from realizing the extent of the modern apostate church and our self imposed “strong delusion” (the gates of hell shall not “prevail”/WIN). God is “one”, (Galatians 3:20) and in Jesus lies the “whole fullness” of God, (Colossians 2:9). The god of confusion has always blinded humanity (lest we "have eyes to see" and "ears to HEAR" that can only be had by a SELF). Satan's first strategy is "self abasement". Without a "SELF", there can be no true PERSONal relationship (no "matter of the heart", Romans 2:29). God should no longer be called "Jehovah", etc., His name FOREVER is "I am who I am" and the only way to truly relate intimately to Him is to imitate "I am who I am" as His offspring (SELF is NECESSARY). Man's doctrines of 'COMMANDS/SIN/LAW/TEXT/FAITH' yield nothing of the heart. My dad never "commanded" me, he never had to, I wanted to do right. He taught me well and offered me all his wise counsel (scripture is wise counsel for those who choose to learn). He wasn't particularly bothered when I sinned against PROPRIETY (dress codes, codes of etiquette, table manners, etc.), but he taught me not to sin against PEOPLE (because that would cause them consequences, pain and SUFFERING). Sometimes, my misdeeds didn't really cause physical harm, but my actions just weren't right (like the prodigal son, that was a sin against HEAVEN), yet there was no physical harm to heaven. It was the dad of the prodigal son who was the true VICTIM (in which case, it was the victim's right to react by serving either a penalty, or overlook the offense with loving kindness).The person at the well (women are more likely to desire the finer/better things in life",…"living water") more easily recognized God's saving grace than the disciples (who still called Him "Rabbi") and also desired to drink of The Lord's spirit (tears of sorrow compassion, John 7:38, Revelation 7:16), which The Lord taught in His sermon that we should be “poor in spirit” about the consequences we cause other people (so that we can have a present heaven in our heart). Coming to The Lord out of hunger and simply eating of the bread of life is not what makes a GODLY Christian, it is that we should learn from God's eternal spirit how to divide/distinguish between good and evil/wrong so our conscience will also be purified (Hebrews 9:14). When we develop/acknowledge a CONSCIENCE, we divide CLEARLY between right and wrong/evil (as with a sword) so that the "change" from good to evil is clear and abrupt with no middle ground ("no variation or shadow due to change"). We must drink of His spirit that our conscience can also be purified (by rejecting conscience, some people make shipwreck of their relationship). Jesus did not come to bring peace on earth so that everyone could simply feel comfortable continuing to do whatever they wish, He came to produce a division in our hearts and minds between right and wrong. We should be transformed into a new creation by the renewal of OUR MIND (a SELF is necessary for this). It is impossible to think with only the HEART (a "mind" is formed by a "self", the mind controls the heart, Romans 12:2). Faith should be borne out of LOVE ("the GREATEST of these", 1 Corinthians 13, the LOVE chapter has always been largely ignored, but God is LOVE). I am not a God-FAITH-er, I am a God-LOVER (but I do ALSO trust/have faith). I have faith in the laws of physics, but I don't love them. People always say "I don't know if I would have the faith to do what Job did", but it's not about faith. The book of Job is a LOVE STORY. I don't love the bible, I love God. In Mark 12:30, God is not telling anyone to love Him (love cannot be made a rule or legislated, and can only be freely given), He is telling us to use every fiber of our being to love Him (leaving no room for fear, 1 John 4:18, Isaiah 29:13). Unbelievers should learn to fear not having The Lord in their life (the fear of God is only the BEGINNING of true wisdom), but once we come to know The Lord, our love should make us a "friend" of God (like Abraham was). God constructed scripture so that conscientious and just people would be able to receive the spiritual message, but those of reprobate mind would "see but not understand". Nothing in scripture is happenstance/random occurrence. All events in scripture happened exactly as they were supposed to and were recorded the way they were supposed to so that we could learn from those events and words if we choose to. Even the crucifixion happened as it was supposed to (so that the unjust have will choose the controversy of where to place blame), but those who are just and Godly will realize that it was the crowds who rioted when militancy was encouraged by humanity's 'mob mentality' (666). Adam and Eve ate of the tree of conscience and we need to learn to use that knowledge properly (Hebrews 5:14). Our relationships should NOT be identical to each other, they should be PERSONAL (with all of our idiosyncrasies, habits, attitudes, shortcomings, etc.) so that "God may be everything to everyone" (1 Corinthians 15:28) and so that He can also have a personal relationship with us.

r u channelling John Lennon or just not had your first cup yet?

(kriss;40773)
No its not its a matter of salvation our salvation depends only on belief in Christ and repentance but what I have written is biblical Just because one is only taught one thing the main message of scripture which is our salvation through Jesus Christ does not mean God didnt tell us more about how and who the enemy is and what we are to watch for he has foretold us all things We are just commonly taught what is necessary for us to be saved, which is what we need to know. And should be our focus.
I agree. Salvation based on the redemption of the cross is always our focus, and as long as we agree on that we are cool. That being said, I completely disagree with the idea that Cain is the biological son of Satan. I believe it is a false understanding of scripture (just because it came from the bible, as you always make a point to mention, does not mean that it is a "rightly divided" truth), and a strange wives-fable.To make myself perfectly clear, I actually do somewhat believe (though there are alternative views that make just as much sense biblically) that literal fallen angels did have intercourse with human women to produce the creatures of mythology (centaurs, greek gods, etc.). Though DrBubbaLove's explanation given is just as credible (and perhaps we will never know until we are with the Lord and come into the knowledge of all things). But the idea that Eve was physically seduced and sexually aroused by a biological manifestation of Satan, had sex with the sepernt, and then conceived a half man/half demon hybrid and called him Cain? I see no scripture proplerly translated that could even hint that such an event ever took place. But let me (if you will) allow this discussion to be taken away from the letter of scripture for a moment, as anyone can make any scripture say anything (there are those who convincingly use scripture to prove that African Americans are solely God's chosen people). Let us instead look at this doctrine with the full understanding of the Word of God and just plain old common sense. -If fallen angels were mating with human women since the days of the Garden of Eden (i.e. Eve with Satan), what would be the point of the sudden mention of it in Gen. 6:1-2? Moses seems to be speaking about the concept as though it was a practice that began only after mankind fully populated the earth. 1. And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them. 2. That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.From that passage it is quite clear that angel/human (or if you will, ungodly human, godly human) mating was a a completely new concept to the earth. In other words, it never took place in the Garden of Eden. - The offspring of the abominable sexual act resulted in the birth of "giants, mighty men of old, and men of renown". Scripture never indicates that Cain was any one of those things. - It is inconsistent with Paul's constant insistence in the book of Romans that all men were corrupted through Adam and through his transgression. To imply that Cain was the "son of Satan" is to imply that he was only evil because he had demonic blood flowing through his veins and not because he was born from a sinful man. This is a complete perversion of one of the foundational truths of Christianity. The reasons listed above are basically what is keeping me from taking this strange doctrine seriously.

Well you being new here of course do not know us real well but I asure you I dont have much paitients for Bible twisters but that is yet to be proved.You must have some hebrew to understand this clearly And you are taking this verse wrong 1. And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them. 2. That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.1. the first command given to muliply and populate the earth was given around the sixth day of creation when men were made. 2. there was a second influx of these fallen angels after the flood3. it was the entire reason for the flood the name Noah means in hebrew pure (of Blood) with blemish it wasnt that Noah was so rightous(though he was) that he was saved it was that his blood line had been pure unblemished not defiled by these fallen angels mating with daughters of men {Quote from Bible}Appendix 26. NOAH "PERFECT". (GEN. 6:9). The Heb. word tamim means without blemish, and is the technical word for bodily and physical perfection, and not moral. Hence it is used of animals of sacrificial purity. It is rendered without blemish in Ex. 12:5; 29:1. Lev. 1:3, 10; 3:1, 6; 4:3, 23, 28, 32; 5:15, 18; 6:6; 9:2, 3; 14:10; 22:19; 23:12, 18. Num. 6:14; 28:19, 31; 29:2, 8, 13, 20, 23, 29, 32, 36. Ezek. 43:22, 23, 25; 45:18, 23; 46:4, 6, 13. Without Spot. Num. 19:2; 28:3, 9, 11; 29:17, 26. Undefiled. Ps. 119:1. This shows that Gen. 6:9 does not speak of Noah's moral perfection, but tells us that he and his family alone had preserved their pedigree and kept it pure, in spite of the prevailing corruption brought about by the fallen angels. See Ap. 23 and 25.

(kriss;40891)
because the Angels are also sons of God they were created also but these sons of God left their first habitat (heaven) they are the ones that were with Satan in Jobread the verse's again ask why would God be telling us in essence that boys (sons)married girls (daughters) and there were tall people in the those days You have throw your mind and common sense out the door he is telling you something of importance herenow go back and read post #19 (the quote from the bible appendix)
we've been through all that before, there is nothing in those verses that suggests the ONLY explanation is demonic-human hybrids.We have mighty men, giants and men of great renown today. The existence of great men, might warriors and even giants does not require us to believe this reference can ONLY BE demonic-demon-human hybrids. Sons of god often refers to men in the Bible, why is it IMPOSSIBLE here?We have all read the verses and understand how you interpret them. Am asking (repeatedly) where is the clue that tells us demon-human hybrids are the ONLY possible explanation?All you keep saying is that it has to be. All I keep asking is why does it have to be? Do not expect an honest answer to that last question, so let me approach from a different angle. In all of God's creation, how many different species can mate and produce viable offspring? Can we cross-breed with even our closest genetic relatives?

because it is taught in the bible I dont keep saying it Gods Word says it most any bible scholar can tellyou the bible appendix covers it the hebrew says it God tells us in Gen. Jude, Job, just to name a few that these sons of God are fallen Angels and their off spring are giants you have examples in Goliath you have sketal reminds to this day if you choose to deny it because its not what you believe or taught in your religion fine. Its not going tocause you to be judged or make you less christain its just a matter for myself of wanting to know all God tells me if its not your hearts desire fine Doesnt matter to me what you believe about it as I said it only helps to understand the Entire Plan of God as he lays out the Positive and the negative for us if you care to learn itI thought you interested in learning it but I guess I was wrong you just want to argue about it well sense its a side study not a salvation matter Im not interested in arguing for arguments sake.

Putting a lot of faith in men (those Bible scholars you mentioned) for someone that keeps reminding us we should not do that.As for Bible scholars writing notes in the Bible, that depends on which Bible you purchase. I very much doubt that any significant number of true "Bible scholars" think very much at all of these demonic hybrid theories, at least not without laughing. Not a scholar or a theologian myself but can tell you the only people I have ever met that speak as you do about these things are not theologians either. In fact none of the people I have ever met holding these beliefs have any formal education as a theologian, in Hebrew or any formal religious training. Am not saying such people do not exist, just saying I have never met any. And am sure people like you (and my father) are well intentioned in holding these beliefs. God bless you.