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BreadOfLife · Jul 7, 2018

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CONTEXT is a man-man WORD. It DOES NOT APPEAR IN Scripture. THAT IS THE WORD YOU CHOSE TO USE to EXPLAIN Scripture.

So go to the MAN-MADE dictonary and SEE what man has DECIDED THAT MEANS..
THAT IS WHO HAS DECIDED clarification immediately precedes or follows!

Ummmmmm, I've got news for you, Einstein: ALL words are man made, Einstein.
"Trinity" is a man-made word - but it relates a BIBLICAL principal.
Same with "Incarnation".

"Context" is simply a rule of clarification of a situation or circumstance.

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SO WHAT?
IT HAS ZERO APPLICATION TO ANYONE.....UNTIL SOMEONE MAKES THAT CLAIM....

WHERE IS THE QUOTE OF ONE PERSON MAKING THAT CLAIM?
WHERE? NOT ONCE have you shown a SINGLE QUOTE of ANYONE making that claim....
WHY NOT?

THAT IS A FACT!
DO NOT SIN...
CAN NOT SIN...
AND WHY...BeCAUSE AS YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD REPEATEDLY...I AM CONVERTED...A NEW CREATURE...BORN OF Gods SEED. The OLD IS PASSED AWAY...

FURTHER YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD repeatedly...
My SINS did not DISAPPEAR...
THEY ARE FORGIVEN...
THEY ARE COVERED...

You TRANSLATE FORGIVEN SIN, COVERED SIN....TO claiming to HAVE NO SIN...

Scripture doesn't .... YOU DO, BY TRYING TO MAKE THAT CLAIM FOR OTHERS "WHO" HAVE FORGIVEN SIN.
COVERED SIN.
HOW IGNORANT....for you to repeatedly teach, a man WITH FORGIVEN SIN, COVERED SIN.....is saying HE HAS NO SIN....

Why not try really hard to LISTEN TO WHAT IS SAID, instead of making up LIES, and speaking YOUR WORDS FOR OTHERS?
It makes you look RIDICULOUS, TO MAKE CLAIMS FOR OTHERS....and NOT ONCE can you QUOTE ANOTHER saying.....WHAT YOU HAVE CLAIMED they said.
COMMON SENSE man...
A man who has ASKED the Lord for forgiveness of his sins....IS NOT A MAN claiming to have no sin...

And IF you had the slightest inkling...of the TRUTH...you WOULD KNOW a CONVERTED man CAN NOT AGAIN SIN "AGAINST" God....BECAUSE a Converted man HAS THE SPIRIT OF GOD IN HIM.

THe Spirit of GOD IS LIGHT...SIN IS DARKNESS!
Common sense, and Spiritual understanding.... LIGHT OVERCOMES DARKNESS.

Spiritual teaching and understanding.....
DARKNESS CAN NOT SNEAK INTO Gods LIGHT AND OVERCOME GODS LIGHT!!!
And ALL the piddly little things, YOU KEEP CHARGING men ...saying "THEY "ARE" commtting SIN.....
ARE SINS of MAN against MAN....ACCORDING TO JEWISH LAW!
A gentiles SIN WAS AGAINST GOD...for DISBELIEF in Him!
A Jews current SIN is .... AGAINST JESUS for not believing HE IS THE CHRIST...!
IF THEY REMAIN UNDER THE LAW....which anyone with a lick of common sense, Knows the majority of JEWS have rejected Jesus as thee Christ...and are NOT IN Christ...and must CONTINUE continuously ASKING FOR Forgiveness ACCORDING TO THEIR LAWS...

AND YOU DO THE SAME, as some half-breed that can not make up his mind if he wants to be IN CHRIST or Pretend he is subject to Jews Laws...and EVERY ACTION BETWEEN MEN that is a TRESPASS...."THEY CALL A SIN" according TO THEIR LAWS!...AND YOU do the same.

IF a JEWISH MAN HAS become "IN" Christ...the SINS LAWS or otherwise the consequences of their curse laws....NO LONGER APPLY TO THEM.

Hello....they never applies to a Gentile!
Apparently you have LITTLE knowledge about HOW A LAW works....
THE LAW sets the parameter
For a behavior...and a PENAL Law is for the punishment Of one who goes out of the bounds of parameter of the Law.
The Punishment IS the EFFECT of the FORCE of the LAW.
WITHOUT THE Force and EFFECT...of the Penal Law....the Positive Law itself IS MOOT!
However YOU have decided....and teach..
(FOR A CONVERTED MAN)
He IS subject TO THE LAW....and YOU have decided WHAT the Punishment IS for violating the LAW....
In contrast...THE Lord has decided...and taught...(A Converted man) IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE Penal Law.
The Lord has decided and DID....REDEEM Every Converted man FROM the Consequences OF the Penal /Curse Laws.
NO Consequence BY THE Lords action...the Law is moot, without force and effect.
No Consequences.....ah ha...sure there is...
Lie, cheat, swindle, sneak, divorce, blah, blah........YOU HAVE NOT BEEN RELIEVED of the Consequences OF MANS LAW!!
And while the Lord teaches, to avoid TRESPASSING AGAINST ANOTHER MAN....
IF YOU DO.....ah ha.....YOU GET TO BEAR THE BURDEN of MANS Consequences!!
It is NOT A SIN AGAINST GOD....a Converted man is FILLED with Gods Spirit, His Light...
That KEEPS the man FROM EVER AGAIN REJECTING BELIEF IN GOD....THUS such a man is forever Incapable of committing sin!
But NOTHING FORCEABLY prevents a man FROM acting stupid and TRESPASSING AGAINST another man.
It simply is NO longer CALLED A SIN....as it was IN JEWISH LAW. It IS a Trespass. And the Lord teaches...HOW TO AVOID trespasses between men....and WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT "IF" it should occur....
IT HAS NOT ONE IOTA TO DO WITH whether or not a man IS CONVERTED, which IS SAVED and BORN AGAIN.....NOT as you teach ...-->
Born again with out the man calling on the Lord...and Kindsof Save "initially" and then saved if he does good works.....
A man WHO IS Converted, shall never again STAND AGAINST GOD...PERIOD!
A man WHO IS Converted....yet continually gets himself into a mess WITH MANS LAW...
Bears that burden....and he shall be called the LEAST in the Kingdom of God.
A man WHO IS Converted...and continually fosters his relationship with the Lord, SERVING Him, with works that Glorify His Name...THAT man shall receive blessing, while still on earth...and called GREAT in the Kingdom of God.
It is a Jew NOT IN CHRIST, with BELIEF in God, who must do works according to the LAW, THEY ELECT TO REMAIN UNDER....
They continually ask for forgiveness...
They must ENDURE and KEEP their own belief until their end...to BECOME SAVED!

You are so hyped on teaching your MIXED doctirne....you have missed the TRUTH....
You are not a Gentile, kind of sort of Subject to Jewish Laws! That merely puts you on a fence post....being on neither ONE SIDE or the other of the LINE the Lord Himself has drawn...

Matt 12:30. He that is NOT with me is Against me...
You can Either BE a Jew, who IS WITH God....but NOT WITH Christ....and continue under the Law enduring and keeping in belief to BE saved like their historical ancestors...
OR
You can BE a Jew, who IS Converted, believes in God and Christ Jesus.
OR
You can BE a Gentile, who believes IN God and His Christ Jesus and Be Converted.
OR
You can BE AGAINST God and NOT believe IN Him or His Christ Jesus and have NO belief sin exists.
You present yourself as trying to fulfill the role of a Jew and a Gentile.... when you are not both.
And then you attempt to APPLY your LACK of understanding...TO OTHER men...who KNOW their standing WITH the Lord is not Kind of Sort with the Lord and Kind of Sort of subject to to Jewish Law!
I expect no more or less from you than to carry on in your MIXED doctirne...making false claims for others....making some snarky comments about my post...and calling me a few of pat names.....as if that is all you need for justification to pat your own back. LOL..

Now THAT'S what I call a psychotically-verbose rant.

BreadOfLife · Jul 7, 2018

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LOL...that's hilarious coming from you.

TRANSLATION:
"No - I can't debunk or refute the Scriptural evidence you provided showing that OSAS is a man-made farce."

That's what I thought . . .

aspen · Jul 7, 2018

If you do not love perfectly, you are still a sinner. Yes, you are being worked on by the Holy Spirit, but none of us have become perfect at loving others, yet.

It’s funny to me to see people making bold theological claims about purity and sinlessness and then, watching their actions.

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BreadOfLife said:
1 John 1:8 says unequivocally:
1 John 1:8
"If WE say that WE have no sin....
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When YOU can QUOTE ONE PERSON making that claim, challenge Them.....otherwise you are merely quoting Scripture that has Zero relevance.

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BreadOfLife said:
It's funny - the longer and more insane your rants become - the more you accuse me of "Lying".

ALL I've had to do for this entire thread is use a little Scripture - and your OWN words against you.
As much as I'd like to take credit for the victory - your own arrogance and hypocrisy have defeated you . . .

PS - I fully expect a, 800-word rant response . . .

LOL

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epostle said:
If and when you quote "a man's own words" click on "REPLY" so everyone can be infallibly assured it's not more lies and gossip.

Uh huh, would be nice if your pal could respond to something other than his own words.

TheHolyBookEnds · Jul 8, 2018

epostle said:
BODILY ASSUMPTION...

https://www.christianityboard.com/t...ntiae-raiders-of-the-ark-of-gods-glory.26207/

Taken · Jul 8, 2018

[QUOTE="BreadOfLife, post: 415612, member: 734
YOUR words:
"WHOSOEVER is born of God does not, can not sin."
"a man who has become a son of God does not sin."

Can't run from your own words on this forum . . .[/QUOTE]

LOL ...Words according to John.
1 John 3:9

I believe those words, you apparently do not. Not my problem. Your problem.

I am ALREADY "PERFECTED", BY and THROUGH the Lord Himself. Heb 10:14

Actually - you're not.

Actually, I Am, According to God.

If you were -

The "IF" according to God is By His Way, not your way.

I was Crucified with Jesus....That is Dead bubs!

I was raised a NEW creature IN Christ ... that is a Spiritual Death and a new Spiritual That Lives In Christ who Himself Is thee FOREVER Life, bubs.

you wouldn't have to die someday - which you WILL, because it is an effect of SIN.

LOL not a big secret The DEATH of All Flesh Life, which is its OWN Blood is required TO DIE.

Already told you to study and learn the different meanings of Death. I see you haven't.

I don't know about YOU - but I'm having the time of my LIFE exposing you . . .

I'm sure you have quite a collection of Blue Ribbons you have crafted for yourself...making yourself A wiener of Carnal Understanding because you FAIL at Spiritual Understanding.

In delusion and I am not the only one laughing at your ignorance.

Taken · Jul 8, 2018

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[QUOTE="BreadOfLife, post: 415612, member: 734
YOUR words:
"WHOSOEVER is born of God does not, can not sin."
"a man who has become a son of God does not sin."

Can't run from your own words on this forum . . .

LOL ...Words according to John.
1 John 3:9

I believe those words, you apparently do not. Not my problem. Your problem.

I am ALREADY "PERFECTED", BY and THROUGH the Lord Himself. Heb 10:14

Actually, I Am, According to God.

The "IF" according to God is By His Way, not your way.

I was Crucified with Jesus....That is Dead bubs!

I was raised a NEW creature IN Christ ... that is a Spiritual Death and a new Spiritual Life That Lives In Christ who Himself Is thee FOREVER Life, bubs.

LOL not a big secret The DEATH of All Flesh Life, which is its OWN Blood is required TO DIE.

Already told you to study and learn the different meanings of Death. I see you haven't.

I'm sure you have quite a collection of Blue Ribbons you have crafted for yourself...making yourself A wiener of Carnal Understanding because you FAIL at Spiritual Understanding.

In delusion and I am not the only one laughing at your ignorance.[/QUOTE]

epostle · Jul 8, 2018

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LOL ...Words according to John.
1 John 3:9

I believe those words, you apparently do not. Not my problem. Your problem.

I am ALREADY "PERFECTED", BY and THROUGH the Lord Himself. Heb 10:14

Actually, I Am, According to God.

The "IF" according to God is By His Way, not your way.

I was Crucified with Jesus....That is Dead bubs!

I was raised a NEW creature IN Christ ... that is a Spiritual Death and a new Spiritual Life That Lives In Christ who Himself Is thee FOREVER Life, bubs.

LOL not a big secret The DEATH of All Flesh Life, which is its OWN Blood is required TO DIE.

Already told you to study and learn the different meanings of Death. I see you haven't.

I'm sure you have quite a collection of Blue Ribbons you have crafted for yourself...making yourself A wiener of Carnal Understanding because you FAIL at Spiritual Understanding.

In delusion and I am not the only one laughing at your ignorance.

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Sugar coated poop and fire insurance is not in the Bible. Forensic or imputed justification is a reformist invention. That is the basis of your reformist errors.
Psalm 51:1-2 – O God, blot out my transgressions, wash me thoroughly from my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin. This cleansing requires an inner change of heart. Many Protestants believe that we are so depraved that God only covers our sins up by declaring us righteous (imputing Christ’s righteousness to us). The Catholic (and Scriptural view), however, is that God is powerful enough to blot out our sins and remove them. The view that God just declares us righteous by “covering us up,” denigrates the role of the Holy Spirit in our lives, who continues the work of Christ through His work of justification and sanctification (infusing His grace into souls and changing the inner person).

Isaiah 44:22 – I have swept away your transgressions like a cloud, and your sin like mist. This is a real elimination of sin, not a covering up of sin.

Isaiah 64:5 – thou meetest him that joyfully works righteousness. This means righteousness is not just imputed to us. We can actually do works of righteousness by God’s grace.

Matt. 5:3,5,8 – blessed are the poor in spirit, the meek, and the pure of heart. These are internal dispositions, not just an external reality.

Matt. 5:20; Luke 1:6; Acts 10:35 – here are more examples of “doing” righteousness, not just being “imputed” external righteousness. We are not just defendants in a courtroom who have been exonerated. We are children of God endowed with the power of the Holy Spirit by whose grace we can become righteous.

Faith alone means faith+hope+love in action, I don't think that is what you have been taught.

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BreadOfLife said:
TRANSLATION:
"No - I can't debunk or refute the Scriptural evidence you provided showing that OSAS is a man-made farce."

That's what I thought . . .

Translation:

BOL can not allow an others words, so he changes them ...

Which is called changing the Truth into a LIE.

and then ... calls the other person wrong....

Which is called giving a false testimony.

Once again per your daily MO ...

You speak Lies and blame others for your Lies.

I do not require a translator or liar to speak for me.
Why not be a big boy and STOP turning other peoples words into Lies?

BreadOfLife · Jul 8, 2018

Taken said:
Translation:
BOL can not allow an others words, so he changes them ...
Which is called changing the Truth into a LIE.
and then ... calls the other person wrong....
Which is called giving a false testimony.
Once again per your daily MO ...
You speak Lies and blame others for your Lies.

I do not require a translaor or liar to speak for me.
Why not be a big boy and STOP turning other peoples words into Lies?

No - it's just that I've now given you TWO entire threads and several hundred posts to address the NINE verses I presented that obliterate your OSAS fallacy - and you have refused to address them.

I wonder WHY that is??

BreadOfLife · Jul 8, 2018

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When YOU can QUOTE ONE PERSON making that claim, challenge Them.....otherwise you are merely quoting Scripture that has Zero relevance.

YOU have repeatedly made this claim by taking 1 John 3:9 completely OUT of context with 1 John 1:8.
Again - YOUR words:
"WHOSOEVER is born of God does not, can not sin."
"a man who has become a son of God does not sin."

HOWEVER - 1 John 1:8 explicitly states:
"If WE say WE have no sin WE have deceived OURSELVES and the truth is not in US."

John was humble and honest enough to include HIMSELF in this verse.
YOU are too prideful and arrogant to do so.

Remember - ALL Scripture must harmonize.
YOU keep pitting verses against each other . . .

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Sugar coated poop and fire insurance is not in the Bible. Forensic or imputed justification is a reformist invention. That is the basis of your reformist errors.[/QUOTE]

Your introductory statement is totally irrelevant.

Psalm 51:1-2 – O God, blot out my transgressions, wash me thoroughly from my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin.

Not news to me.

This cleansing requires an inner change of heart.

Why are you TELLING me that?
Do you have some knowledge that I am unaware of a Heart being changed in a Converted man?

I have explicitly mentioned a changed heart in numerous posts I have made.

I don't presume you are familiar with all of my posts nor should you presume I am unaware of a changed heart in a Converted man.

You could have asked.

Many Protestants believe that we are so depraved that God only covers our sins up by declaring us righteous (imputing Christ’s righteousness to us).

I don't presume I am the authority on what "MANY Protestants" believe or much care.

Nor do I believe God cares much about whether a man calls himself a Protestant or Catholic.

Rom 4:7
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are Forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

It has been my testimony ^ That applies to me.

The Catholic (and Scriptural view), however, is that God is powerful enough to blot out our sins and remove them.

So?
I have not challengedGods Power, but rather have testified His Power is Supreme above all powers.

[QUOTEThe view that God just declares us righteous by “covering us up,” denigrates the role of the Holy Spirit in our lives,

No it does not.
He declares the Covering.
He declares unrighteousness cleansed.

He further declares WHEN HE WILL exercise His Power To Blot Out a mans SINS!

Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefor, and BE CONVERTED, that your sins may be BLOTTED OUT. "WHEN "
The times of refreshing SHALL COME....
AT THE "PRESENCE " of the Lord.

So yes I Trust the Lord has covered my sins.
And further WHAT He has covered my sis WITH IS His Spirit, Which IS His Light.

And No I have yet seen the Lord to receive A Glorified Body, and had my sins Blotted out.

who continues the work of Christ through His work of justification and sanctification (infusing His grace into souls and changing the inner person).

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So? What does a Converted man continuing to learn HAVE to do with his sins being Covered....or Him being in the presence of Converted men and blotting out their sins?

[QUOTEIsaiah 44:22 – I have swept away your transgressions like a cloud, and your sin like mist. This is a real elimination of sin, not a covering up of sin.

So?
Are you an OT Faithful Hebrew who obeyed Hebrew laws, Customs, Festivals that you want what Isaiah was given for His obedience?

Isaiah 64:5 – thou meetest him that joyfully works righteousness.

This means righteousness is not just imputed to us. We can actually do works of righteousness by God’s grace.

Matt. 5:3,5,8 – blessed are the poor in spirit, the meek, and the pure of heart. These are internal dispositions, not just an external reality.

Matt. 5:20; Luke 1:6; Acts 10:35 – here are more examples of “doing” righteousness, not just being “imputed” external righteousness. We are not just defendants in a courtroom who have been exonerated. We are children of God endowed with the power of the Holy Spirit by whose grace we can become righteous.

Faith alone means faith+hope+love in action, I don't think that is what you have been taught.

If you want to try and apply Scriptures to me,
Include how you determined they apply to me.

You want to lecture me about the importance of a Hearts change.....
First show where I have claimed to the contrary.

You want to talk about OT men who became saints according to the OLD covenant...
So? It is deflective from the topic.

You want to preach you have been in the Lords presence and refreshed with a glorified body and your sins already BLOTTED out... that's you, not me.

My SINS are forgiven and covered and shall be BLOTTED out when my body is raised to His Presence in the clouds at His 2nd coming.

BreadOfLife · Jul 8, 2018

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LOL ...Words according to John.
1 John 3:9

I believe those words, you apparently do not. Not my problem. Your problem.

I am ALREADY "PERFECTED", BY and THROUGH the Lord Himself. Heb 10:14

Actually, I Am, According to God.

The "IF" according to God is By His Way, not your way.
I was Crucified with Jesus....That is Dead bubs!

I was raised a NEW creature IN Christ ... that is a Spiritual Death and a new Spiritual Life That Lives In Christ who Himself Is thee FOREVER Life, bubs.

LOL not a big secret The DEATH of All Flesh Life, which is its OWN Blood is required TO DIE.
Already told you to study and learn the different meanings of Death. I see you haven't.

I'm sure you have quite a collection of Blue Ribbons you have crafted for yourself...making yourself A wiener of Carnal Understanding because you FAIL at Spiritual Understanding.
In delusion and I am not the only one laughing at your ignorance.

That's funny - because MY Bible says that those in Christ are BEING saved abd BEING made perfect.
2 Cor. 2:15
For we are to God the pleasing aroma of Christ among those who are BEING saved and those who are perishing.

Heb. 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

CONTEXT, my arrogant friend - context.
Arrogance won't get you to heaven - only faith WORKING through love (Gal. 5:6) . . .

Taken · Jul 8, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
No - it's just that I've now given you TWO entire threads and several hundred posts to address the NINE verses I presented that obliterate your OSAS fallacy - and you have refused to address them.

I wonder WHY that is??

Why is not a mystery.
I speak of a Spiritual event with Spiritual Understanding,you speak of your Carnal understanding.

BreadOfLife · Jul 8, 2018

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Why is not a mystery.
I speak of a Spiritual event with Spiritual Understanding,you speak of your Carnal understanding.

No - "WHY" certainly IS a mystery.

WHY haven't you been able to address those nine passages of Scripture in CONTEXT - that destroy your OSAS position? The "WHY" is everything . . .

aspen · Jul 8, 2018

Hmm....what an ugly discussion

epostle · Jul 8, 2018

BreadOfLife said:
That's funny - because MY Bible says that those in Christ are BEING saved abd BEING made perfect.
2 Cor. 2:15
For we are to God the pleasing aroma of Christ among those who are BEING saved and those who are perishing.

Heb. 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

CONTEXT, my arrogant friend - context.
Arrogance won't get you to heaven - only faith WORKING through love (Gal. 5:6) . . .

They changed the meaning of the word "are being saved" to "instantly" saved. OSAS denies the biblical process of justification.
Sugar coated poop and fire insurance is not in the Bible. Forensic or imputed justification is a reformist invention.[/QUOTE]

BreadOfLife said:
Your introductory statement is totally irrelevant.
Not news to me.
Why are you TELLING me that?
Do you have some knowledge that I am unaware of a Heart being changed in a Converted man?

That's not the discussion. I was making a contrast with with an inner transformation and a paint job.

I have explicitly mentioned a changed heart in numerous posts I have made.

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You have explicitly denied a changed heart could fail to persevere...contrary to scripture.

I don't presume you are familiar with all of my posts nor should you presume I am unaware of a changed heart in a Converted man.

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This is both a red herring and a straw man fallacy. Of course a converted man has a changed heart. Every "converted Bible Christian" has a changed heart. But it's possible for a few of these "changed hearts" to get unchanged. A changed heart is the beginning of justification. It's a means to an end, not an endin itself.OSAS denies the need to persevere. You can squeeze OSAS out the Bible by changing the meaning of a handful of words and performing scriptural gymnastics, but no matter how you slice the cake, OSAS is a false tradition of men. It was invented by John Calvin whether you heard of Calvin or not.

I don't presume I am the authority on what "MANY Protestants" believe or much care.

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This is a loaded statement. I said many Protestants like St. Augustine. By using "many Protestants" I am giving credibility to St. Augustine trying to show he is not a threat to Protestants. He was the bishop of Hippo Regiusin north Africa and is viewed as one of the most important Church Fathers in Western Christianity for his writings in the Patristic Era. Among his most important works are The City of God, On Christian Doctrine and Confessions. ECF are hard to read sometimes, you may be better off with a summary.

Nor do I believe God cares
much about whether a man calls himself a Protestant or Catholic.

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Me neither.

Rom 4:7
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are Forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

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The sins are covered on condition they are forgiven. One does not exclude the other. Forgiveness is not a one time event.
Romans 4:7 is taken from Psalm 32:1-2
Blessed is the one whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man against whom the Lord counts no iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no deceit.

It has been my testimony ^ That applies to me.
So?
I have not challenged Gods Power, but rather have testified His Power is Supreme above all powers.

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Nobody said you challenged God power; I am challenging your false man made tradition. You can accept reformist opinions and still be a good Christian.

The view that God just declares us righteous by “covering us up,” denigrates the role of the Holy Spirit in our lives,
So?
Are you an OT Faithful Hebrew who obeyed Hebrew laws, Customs, Festivals that you want what Isaiah was given for His obedience?

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That has nothing to do with the full context of the quote you hacked up.
JBFA, OSAS are man made traditions and the "Bible Alone" principle has never worked.

If you want to try and apply Scriptures to me, Include how you determined they apply to me.

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That would be pointless. You have your own vocabulary and your private way of interpreting. You may get it right 90% of the time.

You want to lecture me about the importance of a Hearts change.....
First show where I have claimed to the contrary.

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I never said anything like that. You are all over the map, play scriptural gymnastics, make subtle changes to word meanings, employ straw man fallacies, loaded statements, and a variety of logical fallacies you are not even aware of. That's why I avoid your monologues.

You want to talk about OT men who became saints according to the OLD covenant...
So? It is deflective from the topic.

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I am not going to scroll back 1- 2 -3 pages just to find out what you are talk taking about. It would be a waste of time, like what I am doing now.

BreadOfLife said:

That's funny - because MY Bible says that those in Christ are BEING saved abd BEING made perfect.
2 Cor. 2:15
For we are to God the pleasing aroma of Christ among those who are BEING saved and those who are perishing.

Heb. 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

CONTEXT, my arrogant friend - context.
Arrogance won't get you to heaven - only faith WORKING through love (Gal. 5:6) . . .

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APAK · Jul 8, 2018

epostle said:
They changed the meaning of the word "are being saved" to "instantly" saved. OSAS denies the biblical process of justification.
Sugar coated poop and fire insurance is not in the Bible. Forensic or imputed justification is a reformist invention.

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I would not be to quick to cry victory epostle..

Now we have gotten down to the tense of verbs as prima facia evidence that salvation cannot be assured on earth.

If that is the measure of your truth, then you might want to know that there is about a 60/40 ratio of Bible versions that say, ‘is/are saved’ present-past tense versus ‘being saved’ present-future tense in 2 Corinth 2:15. In fact the official Catholic Douay Rheims Bibles says, ‘are saved.’

(2Co 2:12) And when I was come to Troas for the gospel of Christ and a door was opened unto me in the Lord,
(2Co 2:13) I had no rest in my spirit, because I found not Titus my brother: but bidding them farewell, I went into Macedonia.
(2Co 2:14) Now thanks be to God, who always maketh us to triumph in Christ Jesus and manifesteth the odour of his knowledge by us in every place.
(2Co 2:15) For we are the good odour of Christ unto God, in them that are saved and in them that perish.
(2Co 2:16) To the one indeed the odour of death unto death: but to the others the odour of life unto life. And for these things who is so sufficient?
(2Co 2:17) For we are not as many, adulterating the word of God: but with sincerity: but as from God, before God, in Christ we speak. (ALL DRB)

Now the context in which the verse is embedded is important.

The context:

Paul says we who are saved do not need to be a specific place and time to know we have God’s knowledge to spread his word of salvation. Even under depressed and awkward times and places we are still victorious as a Roman leader’s triumph and his welcome party back home.

We are winning ministers of God anywhere we go. We carry the message of God ourselves and we receive a ticker tape parade (as a sweet odor) amongst other believers and even unbelievers. We are winners and our message uplifts both the saved and those that are still in chains and lost (as the slave in Rome).

Bless you,

APAK

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