Can a Christian Backslide/lose salvation?

Awesome Mr. T. Franklin!I had a lot of fun really digging into the word and I look forward to more discussions on any topic you may bring up.Shalom in the home.

Guys let me explain something here to see if I can set this in your minds There is NO DOCTRINE OF ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVEDanyone can fall away the falling away is the great apostasy it hasnt happened yet and wont be in full effect until Anti christ is here he will be claiming to be Christ if you follow him (take the mark) you have fallen away.If you are in his word everdayhe fore tells you of this so you will not be fooled if you are a luke warm Christain that truly believes but are following men instaed of Gods word you risk not reconizing this false one as a fake. If you think he really is christ you will follow him by your own errorand what does God say about these people who believed but did not heed his warnings Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Its much to simple to say oh they didnt believe any way God clearly says they thought they did believe but they believed men and themselfs not Gods Word how many today will fall into this God says the delusion of the Antichrist pretending to be Christ is so strong that he has to shorten the time of the antichrist is here or even the very Elect would eventually be convinced. So he shortens this time if the Elect of God eventully be fooled how many average christains with just a general understaning of God can be fooled For the WHOLE WORLD FOLLOWED AFTER THE BEAST (that is antichrist Satan)So beliving a Once saved always saved doctrine when our time of true testing hasnt even arrived will give one a false sense of securityBelief is not an unchaning thing beliefs can change like the windKnowing him through his words obeying him through his words trusting him through his Words heeding his warnings through his Words these are unchaning things

I love you too but I dont know what gift or scripture you are talking about God promises only one thing that not hair on your head will be harmed and blessed are those who remain untill the end So I know of no promise of which you speak but please feel free to enlighten me with scripture

(kriss;41622)
I love you too but I dont know what gift or scripture you are talking about God promises only one thing that not hair on your head will be harmed and blessed are those who remain untill the end So I know of no promise of which you speak but please feel free to enlighten me with scripture

John 11: 23Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise again." 24Martha answered, "I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day." 25Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life.He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; 26and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

You seem to be mixing too differnt things forgivenwretch the promise is for those who stay in his Word and repent of their sins that doesnt mean one can not fall away If I go worship Satan tomarrow and do not repent and declare him my new god am I still saved??

(Franklin;41549)
Kriss Listen I believe that people can walk away from God - in fact I showed a verse that established this - with Greek phrasing and definitions
I know Franklin I wasn't saying you or anyone that agrees with us was wrong I was just making a blanket statement on the Once saved always saved fallacy some believe

Yes it is possible There are many conditions in God's Word that we seem to like to read over. We all possess adequate reading skills, for the Bible is basically written on a forth grade reading level, but we read past words like; When, Then, If, And, Those who, He that, . . . . These little words placed before, within, and after a promise in God's Word are very important. They are what is called "qualifiers," and the fulfillment or applicability of the subject's promise hinges on the conditions being met that are stated and earmarked by these qualifiers. In other words, if I say to you "Come work for me today and I will pay you." Do you then sleep all day and show up at the end of the day asking for your pay? It seems that many treat God's Word in such a manner. Many sleepers looking for reward. This is one of the messages regarding the "wicked servant" in the Parable of Luke 19:12-27. Ezekiel 18:24 "But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die." Now here we are looking at Grandfather, the righteous one, and now in his old age, he turns from his ways of righteousness, to follow in his sons wicked ways. God is telling us that even though he has lived an entire life in righteousness, and in the end seeks after wickedness, he will die. The soul that sinneth shall surely die. God states that for turning from righteousness to wicked ways, not one bit of his righteousness will by given to him, or remembered by the Father. The one thing that we should remember, and thank God for is our Lord Jesus Christ. For even after we repent and turn to God, our sin nature continues to sin, and it will as long as we are in the flesh. This is why we must be mindful to repent when we see that we have sinned. The Apostle Paul spoke of this in I Corinthians 15:31; "I protest [affirm] by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily." Paul is telling the Corinthians that even in their rejoicing in their salvation that they have in Christ Jesus, it is a must to die daily to yourself. This is done by repentance for the sins that are committed by the flesh, in the flesh. Our hope in Jesus Christ is that we can look to the saving power in His blood, to cover all of our sins. Ezekiel 18:25 "Yet ye say, 'The way of the Lord is not equal'. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not My way equal: are not your ways unequal?" Though the people say, "The way of the Lord is not fair." God is telling you that His ways are always fair. God is telling you and I that God's ways and man's ways are not the same ways. Though man creates contracts, agreements, and treaties they never work, because they are designed for mans corrupt mind, and are not absolute. They are designed to be broken, and in the long run, twisted by man to serve his own purpose. Ezekiel 18:26 "When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die."

I dont think its possible after a person turns there life over to Christ. He will not let you stray too far lest he allows you do die early. The lost sheep( saved Christian) is as important as the rest of the sheep. Look were all sinners filthy filthy dirty rotten lousy sinners. Jesus will save us in spite of ourselfs. Thats the good news. Quit taking one or two scriptures out of context and look at the hundreds that mean your saved.

(kriss;41636)
You seem to be mixing too differnt things forgivenwretch the promise is for those who stay in his Word and repent of their sins that doesnt mean one can not fall away If I go worship Satan tomarrow and do not repent and declare him my new god am I still saved??
Yes ma'am...if you were truly saved to begin with....God does not take away what He gives us. Salvation = eternal life in Heaven with Him.1. young man @ the age of 10 accepts Christ and Lord and Savior, on fire for the next ten years, then for the next ten years he falls away then dies2. young man @ the age of 20 accepts Christ as Lord and Savior and on fire for God the next ten years, then diesAt the age of 30 they both die, what do you think will happen to them?

(crooner;41716)
I dont think its possible after a person turns there life over to Christ. He will not let you stray too far lest he allows you do die early. The lost sheep( saved Christian) is as important as the rest of the sheep. Look were all sinners filthy filthy dirty rotten lousy sinners. Jesus will save us in spite of ourselfs. Thats the good news. Quit taking one or two scriptures out of context and look at the hundreds that mean your saved.
You go crooner!Even if it does happen, we are still His child, and He will not leave us or forsake us. I am my Father's child, and I will spend eternity in Heaven next to His side, basking in His never ending glory!

kriss...doctrine is man made, but OSAS is biblical and is God's Word. You are here: God >> Once Saved, Always Saved Once Saved, Always Saved – The Biblical EvidenceThe Bible teaches “once saved, always saved” -- that we can be saved once and for all only through a repentant, saving faith in Jesus Christ. Once a person has accepted Christ as Savior, they may wonder if it is possible to lose that salvation. What if they commit a sin? What if they commit a lot of sins? What if they do something very, very wrong? Is it possible to be saved, and then lose that salvation? Fortunately, the answer is a resounding “no.” Once a person has accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, he/she is forever saved. This fact is referred to as the doctrine of “eternal security,” often summarized as “once saved, always saved.” There are several reasons why a person can be confident in their “eternal security.” First and foremost is the evidence of Scripture. [url="http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth/john-3.htm]John 3:15-18[/url] says about Christ: “The Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.”The salvation in Christ is not temporary, it is eternal. In [url="http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth/john-10.htm#28]John 10:28-30[/url], Jesus says: “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one." The forgiveness of God through Christ is sufficient to cover all of our sins -- past, present, and future. There is nothing a person can do that God cannot forgive. This doctrine is supported by Romans 8:38-39, Ephesians 4:30, and Jude 24, among others.Here is the PROOF! Directly for the bible and God Himself. There is no other scripture that can be offered that changes this in any manner shape or form...OSAS is GUARANTEED BY GOD...the proof is in His hands, just check out the nail scars.

(forgivenWretch;41726)
You know Ryan! Since I have already offered the proof and also stated the truth that God's Word does not nor can not contradict itself, your rebuttal is mootpoint. God does not make a statement then add to it, as so many humans attempt to do...God does not say "I am" (but). There are not but's to God's word. The but's are only in the mind of us humans and some of us take God for His word and refuse to say but. God's is not a liar, and in an attempt to use scripture to refute scripture is man's attempt to insert to God's word.
How can you just flat out deny all the scripture that has been posted. People can fall away. If you accept christ and choose to follow him you are saved. But if the very next day you CHOOSE to follow Satan than you purposely gave up your salvation. This has already been pointed out to you many times on this thread and it seems that you are attempting to just ignore the obvious facts so that you can keep your unbiblical dream of once saved always saved no matter what.

I just don't see how someone who has been born again, adopted by the King, become a new creation in Christ, sealed with the Holy Spirit, saved to the uttermost, has confessed with his mouth and believed truly in his heart, given to Christ and He says not one of them is lost, and so on... can ever be lost again. It doesn't make sense to me. Then we would be saving ourselves. We don't do the saving. Jesus does. Once we are changed and reborn and have eternal, everlasting life, how can that go backward? He says to the goats, "I NEVER knew you."; not, " I knew you once; then I didn't; then I knew you again; then I didn't..." and it could go on and on. If you are really changed, you won't slide so far that you will never come back. He will tenderly convict until you come back, or he will take you home to glory as one barely escaping hellfire (1 Corinthians 5:5). The verses about blotting out one's name from the book of life are hard to understand, but there must be a reason for them being in the Bible. I am going to ask my pastor his opinion about these verses just to get another take on it. He's just a man, but I know he believes in the eternal security of the believer like I do. That's why I would be curious to know his thoughts on these scriptures.