Guns, Guns, Killing, and more Guns

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Helen

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Okay...um, how to get them on my desktop...:oops:

Just try it..I'll post one here.
Put your curser on to it hold it down..and drag it off the page on to your desk top.
Same in revers.

But on the revers, after you drop it into the post..it will ask " Thumbnail" or "full size" I always click thumbnail..I'd hate them to be bigger LOL
Try this one.

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Just try it..I'll post one here.
Put your curser on to it hold it down..and drag it off the page on to your desk top.
Same in revers.

But on the revers, after you drop it into the post..it will ask " Thumbnail" or "full size" I always click thumbnail..I'd hate them to be bigger LOL
Try this one.

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Well, I did send you tis on sn earlier post...let's see if it works again!
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Yep, it did!!! Ha Ha. lol.
 

Helen

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I only saw it if I quoted you...it doesn't show in your main post.
But lots of people are having this very same problem, not just you.
Maybe they will get it sorted soon.

Here's hoping.
 
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Guns are the best example of a ‘lack of faith’ and the consequences of a lack of faith I can think of.

How so? Did God call King David a "man of war" because of a "lack of faith"?

(1 Chronicles 28:2-3) "Then David the king stood up upon his feet, and said, Hear me, my brethren, and my people: As for me, I had in mine heart to build an house of rest for the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and for the footstool of our God, and had made ready for the building: {3} But God said unto me, Thou shalt not build an house for my name, because thou hast been a man of war, and hast shed blood."
 

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I only saw it if I quoted you...it doesn't show in your main post.
But lots of people are having this very same problem, not just you.
Maybe they will get it sorted soon.

Here's hoping.

Yes, I noticed that when I hit reply to say it didn't come through afterall, but. kinda thought you'd figger it out :D
 
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Rollo Tamasi

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Don't forget that one does not bear the sword in vain when it is used to deter evil. If the authorities, armies, and governments never use force to kill evil, then where is the deterrence from future evil?

So it's more like.... trained to shoot to kill in the service of deterring evil, but not trained to shoot for the love of killing.
Can you really say that God has trained you to kill with his approval?
God doesn't speak to me that way.
 
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Rollo Tamasi

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I notice that neither Rollo NOR Aspen responded to this question . . .
It is not a sign of weak faith.
It is a sign of common sense.
Yet there is no confrontation
No sense of me having to kill someone with my toy gun
I don't hide a kitchen knife under my pillow
When I wake up in the morning, everything is in it's place
No one stole the things God has given me in life
And who would want to break down the door and kill us when we know our lives and our property and our house and our cars are protected by Jesus?

I've been through so many gun threads and everyone wants to throw in the "don't you lock your door at night" comment.
That's because they've got nothing else.

When Paul was doing his ministry, didn't he go away from his enemy
rather than stay there and be killed?
Was that a sign of weak faith?
How would you interpret that?

There's so many examples, I'm surprised at you.
You're the one that throws around Scripture all the time at everyone, but this is the best you got for me?
Very weak indeed.
 
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Can you really say that God has trained you to kill with his approval?
God doesn't speak to me that way.

That's good that the Lord does not speak to you in that way. I know the devil speaks to me in that way to take vengeance or to repay evil for evil, but the Lord is my stay.

Proverbs 20:22Say not thou, I will recompense evil; but wait on the Lord, and he shall save thee.

Romans 12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. 18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

1 Peter 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. 21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

I am not in the military nor serving in the police, but His words says He approves those in authority for they hold not the sword in vain for why we should respect them.

For individual christian gun owners...and for christians that do not own guns...

Proverbs 6:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil. 7 When a man's ways please the Lord, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.

Psalm 37:1Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. 2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.

3 Trust in the Lord, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed. 4 Delight thyself also in the Lord: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart. 5 Commit thy way unto the Lord; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.6 And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday. 7 Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. 8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth. 10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace....

23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord: and he delighteth in his way. 24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the Lord upholdeth him with his hand. 25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread. 26 He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed. 27 Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.....

37 Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace. 38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off. 39 But the salvation of the righteous is of the Lord: he is their strength in the time of trouble. 40 And the Lord shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.
 
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And the Scripture for that is.........?

No one can know what they will do when their loved ones are at risk. All any one can do is trust the Lord even in the face of impending death.

Job 13:15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him.
 

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This particular matter is one of those, we will have to let the Holy Spirit guide people on. On my own take, my faith in God is enough to handle everything, including armoured car. I believe at the mention of the name of Jesus, I can disarm every attackers. After all, the bible says no weapon formed against me shall prosper (and that includes physical weapons which is less potent than the spiritual weapons the Lord delivers us from frequently)...

In my country (Nigeria) Christians disarming armed criminals is a common thing. I have actually seen a man of God collect gun from a robber while members were in Oprah over robbery when service was on going. He actually collected the gun and brought it inside the church.

So to me, I will say if you see a robber, ask him to go away or collect the gun from him by faith.

But others still believe they can use arms because saints like David made use of arms. And they do have strong points of argument along that line from scriptures.

Hence, concerning this matter, it is better to leave people with the Holy Ghost. Only let everyone be fully persuaded in his heart in whatever he does as the Apostle Paul by the spirit recommends.
 

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It is not a sign of weak faith.
It is a sign of common sense.
Yet there is no confrontation
No sense of me having to kill someone with my toy gun
I don't hide a kitchen knife under my pillow
When I wake up in the morning, everything is in it's place
No one stole the things God has given me in life
And who would want to break down the door and kill us when we know our lives and our property and our house and our cars are protected by Jesus?

I've been through so many gun threads and everyone wants to throw in the "don't you lock your door at night" comment.
That's because they've got nothing else.

When Paul was doing his ministry, didn't he go away from his enemy
rather than stay there and be killed?
Was that a sign of weak faith?
How would you interpret that?

There's so many examples, I'm surprised at you.
You're the one that throws around Scripture all the time at everyone, but this is the best you got for me?
Very weak indeed.
Just showing your hypocrisy.

You have been blathering on about how, as Christians, we shouldn't protect ourselves.
The question was simple: Do you LOCK your doors at night?

If you can't answer the question - just say so . . .
 
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And the Scripture for that is.........?

Oh @Rollo Tamasi , I do so love your hatred of violence! And believe it or not...I am totally with you on that, Butttttt-if someone were coming at you or a loved one meaning harm, and there happened to be a weapon within your reach, would you just let those evil people/person do their pleasure of evil to your wife? Child?...I personally do not have a weapon in my home...I did used to want to keep a 12 gauge beneath my bed, but that was B.C. , lol. I am single and live basically alone except that I am letting a friend from Church live in my upstairs rooms. I do not have any other, no children or elderly living here and, I do trust Christ no matter what happens to me. But, not everybody is comfortable with that quite yet...and, we are also subject to the deeds of others so...even though I do not keep a gun in my house, I can't say whether other Christians should or not.
Fierce Blessings aplenty to you brother!
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Just showing your hypocrisy.

You have been blathering on about how, as Christians, we shouldn't protect ourselves.
The question was simple: Do you LOCK your doors at night?

If you can't answer the question - just say so . . .

@Rollo Tamasi said--- "
I've been through so many gun threads and everyone wants to throw in the "don't you lock your door at night" comment.
That's because they've got nothing else."
Seems he already spoke to that.
 

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@Rollo Tamasi said--- "
I've been through so many gun threads and everyone wants to throw in the "don't you lock your door at night" comment.
That's because they've got nothing else."
Seems he already spoke to that.
No - it seems like he simply DODGED it . . .

To create a thread implying that Christians who own guns lack faith - then refusing to answer this simple question shows a real hypocrisy . . .
 

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This particular matter is one of those, we will have to let the Holy Spirit guide people on. On my own take, my faith in God is enough to handle everything, including armoured car. I believe at the mention of the name of Jesus, I can disarm every attackers. After all, the bible says no weapon formed against me shall prosper (and that includes physical weapons which is less potent than the spiritual weapons the Lord delivers us from frequently)...

In my country (Nigeria) Christians disarming armed criminals is a common thing. I have actually seen a man of God collect gun from a robber while members were in Oprah over robbery when service was on going. He actually collected the gun and brought it inside the church.

So to me, I will say if you see a robber, ask him to go away or collect the gun from him by faith.

But others still believe they can use arms because saints like David made use of arms. And they do have strong points of argument along that line from scriptures.

Hence, concerning this matter, it is better to leave people with the Holy Ghost. Only let everyone be fully persuaded in his heart in whatever he does as the Apostle Paul by the spirit recommends.

Just to lift our sights higher as I am sure the indwelling Holy Spirit would lead us to do also, it is Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd that leads us through the Holy Spirit in us, and yes, we can place our trust in the Lord... and I dare admit that I even need His help to do that too thus being my Friend.
 

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And the Scripture for that is.........?

Okay, I do not see much in scripture about self defense, then there are lot's of things not mentioned in scripture, but here are a few I found...

"And if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his own household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever." 1 Timothy 5:8

"And I looked and rose up, and said unto the nobles, and to the rulers, and to the rest of the people, "Be not afraid of them: remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brethren, your sons, and your daughters, your wives, and your houses." Nehemiah 4:14


Exodus 22 If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him, 3 but if the sun has risen on him, there shall be bloodguilt for him. He shall surely pay. If he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

Ecclesiastes 3 states that there IS a time to both kill and to heal (Ecclesiastes 3:1, 3).

Luke 11:21 ESV
When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are safe; (This one is out of context, I know-thought I would save you the post :D )

I do believe some situations do merit self-defense, but not to retaliate in kind. I could never just sit back and allow somebody to be beaten to a pulp, raped...if someone was trying to choke someone to death, I would do all in my power to stop that person.

In John 18:10-11 Jesus told Peter to put his sword away, not to get rid of it...I believe Jesus told him to put it away was because it certainly was not needed for the protection of the King of Kings, but for his own protection from danger. JMHO.

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Just showing your hypocrisy.

You have been blathering on about how, as Christians, we shouldn't protect ourselves.
The question was simple: Do you LOCK your doors at night?

If you can't answer the question - just say so . . .
Lol, you're such a baby.
I bet you live behind locked doors.
 
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