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Roman Catholicism, by Papal Brief (small 'bull', a decree), eternally bans the Jesuit order:

"... Dominus ac Redemptor Noster


Bull of Pope Clement XIV PERMANENTLY suppressing the Jesuit Order.

Given at Rome on July 21, 1773."

... continued ...



" Finally, we exhort all Christians, and entreat them by the bowels of our Saviour Jesus Christ, to remember that we have one Master, who is in heaven, one Saviour, who has purchased us by his blood; that we have all been again born in the water of baptism, through the word of eternal life; that we have all been declared sons of God, and co-heirs with Jesus Christ; all fed with the same bread of the Catholic doctrine, and of the Divine Word; that we are all one body in Jesus Christ, of which we are members, consequently it is absolutely necessary that, united by the common bond of charity, they should live in peace with all men, and consider it as their first duty, to love one another, remembering that he who loveth his neighbour hath filleth the law, avoiding studiously all occasion of scandal, enmity, division, and such-like evils, which were invented and promoted by the ancient enemy of mankind, in order to disturb the Church of God, and prevent the eternal happiness of the faithful, under the false title of schools, opinions, and even of the perfection of Christianity. On the contrary, every one should exert his utmost endeavours to acquire that true and sincere wisdom of which St James speaks in his canonical epistle, ch. iii. v. 13.

"Further, our will and pleasure is, that though the superiors and other members of the Society, and others interested therein, have not consented to this disposition, have not been cited or heard, still it shall not at any time be allowed them to make any observations on our present letter, to attack or invalidate it, to demand a further examination of it, to appeal from it, make it a matter of dispute, to reduce it to the terms of law, to proceed against it by the means of restitutionis ad integrum, to open their mouth against it, to reduce it ad viam et terminus juris, or, in short, to impugn it by any way whatever, of right or fact, favour or justice; and even though these means may be granted them, and though they should have obtained them, still they may not make use of them in court or out of court; nor shall they plead any flaw, subreption, obreption, nullity, or invalidity in this letter, or any other plea, how great, unforeseen, or substantial it may be, nor the neglect of any form in the above proceedings, or in any part thereof, nor the neglect of any point founded on any law or custom, and comprised in the body of laws, nor even the plea of enormis enormissimce et totalis laesionis, nor, in short, any pretext or motive, however just, reasonable, or privileged, not even though the omission of such form or point should be of such nature as, without the same being expressly guarded against, would render every other act invalid. For all this notwithstanding, our will and pleasure is, that these our letters should for ever and to all eternity be valid, permanent, and efficacious, have and obtain their full force and effect, and be inviolably observed by all and every whom they do or may concern, now or hereafter, in any manner whatever.

" In like manner, and not otherwise, we ordain that all the matters here above specified, and every of them, shall be carried into execution by the ordinary judge and delegate; whether by the auditor, cardinal, legate a latere, nuncio, or any other person who has, or ought to have, authority or jurisdiction in any matter or suits, taking from all and every of them all power of interpreting these our letters. And this to be executed, notwithstanding all constitutions, privileges, apostolic commands, &c. &c. &c. And though to render the abolition of these privileges legal they should have been cited word for word, and not comprised only in general clauses, yet for this time, and of our special motion, we do derogate from this usage and custom, declaring that all the tenor of the said privileges is, and is to be supposed, as fully expressed and abrogated as if they were cited word for word, and as if the usual form had been observed.

"Lastly, our will and pleasure is, that to all copies of the present Brief, signed by a notary public, and sealed by some dignitary of the Church, the same force and credit shall be given as to this original. Given at Rome, at St Mary the Greater, under the seal of the Fisherman, the
21st day of July 1773, in the fifth year
of our Pontificate."
Fin.

Remember this is a Papal "Brief" (you should read the long "bull") ...
Yeah sure. I'm certain we're all going to sit here at our computers and read all you've posted....

Just one question...
So are the Jesuits still around?
What was the whole point of your 4 page diatribe?
 
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Yeah sure. I'm certain we're all going to sit here at our computers and read all you've posted....

Just one question...
So are the Jesuits still around?
What was the whole point of your 4 page diatribe?
For that, you'd have to understand the Jesuit history, and the deadly wound, but, you'd have to read ...
 

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What they have said on Martin Luther, and the matters of those decades and hundreds of years (see the following quote after):

"Decet Romanum Pontificem

Papal Bull on the Condemnation and Excommunication of Martin Luther, the Heretic, and his Followers, January 3, 1521. …

Preamble

Through the power given him from God, the Roman Pontiff has been appointed to administer spiritual and temporal punishments as each case severally deserves. …

... Hence it befits the Pontiff, lest the vessel of Peter appear to sail without pilot or oarsman, to take severe measures against such men and their followers, and by multiplying punitive measures and by other suitable remedies to see to it that these same overbearing men, devoted as they are to purposes of evil, along with their adherents, should not deceive the multitude of the simple by their lies and their deceitful devices, nor drag them along to share their own error and ruination, contaminating them with what amounts to a contagious disease. …

... I [Here the Pope recounts his previous Bull Exsurge Domine and continues]

... the books and writings of the said Martin were publicly burned, as we had enjoined. …

... such men have incurred the punishments set out in that missive, and are to be treated rightfully as heretics ...

... III. Our purpose is that such men should rightfully be ranked with Martin and other accursed heretics and excommunicates, and that even as they have ranged themselves with the obstinacy in sinning of the said Martin, they shall likewise share his punishments and his name, by bearing with them everywhere the title "Lutheran" and the punishments it incurs. …

... Our decrees which follow are passed against Martin and others who follow him in the obstinacy of his depraved and damnable purpose ...

... On all these we decree the sentences of excommunication, of anathema, of our perpetual condemnation and interdict; of privation of dignities, honours and property on them and their descendants, and of declared unfitness for such possessions; of the confiscation of their goods and of the crime of treason; and these and the other sentences, censures and punishments which are inflicted by canon law on heretics and are set out in our aforesaid missive, we decree to have fallen on all these men to their damnation. ...

... We prescribe and enjoin that the men in question are everywhere to be denounced publicly as excommunicated, accursed, condemned, interdicted, deprived of possessions and incapable of owning them. They are to be strictly shunned by all faithful Christians. …

... that this same Martin and the rest are excommunicate, accursed, condemned, heretics, hardened, interdicted, deprived of possessions and incapable of owning them, and so listed in the enforcement of these presents." [Decet Romanum Pontificem; Papal Bull on the Condemnation and Excommunication of Martin Luther, the Heretic, and his Followers, January 3, 1521.] - https://gloria.tv/article/2MsypdD3THUY6Y4dE2kUBQPD1

It has been said that the Vatican II council and decrees changed the way the Roman Catholic Church deals with this particular topic [Haeresis, and its consequences], but as we shall see from the official Roman Catholic Vatican.va Website, it shall be shown that nothing has changed concerning these principles as already documented [bold and underline added for emphasis]:

"that go back decades and hundreds of years"

"... RESPONSES TO THE QUESTIONS

FIRST QUESTION

Did the Second Vatican Council change the Catholic doctrine on the Church?

RESPONSE

The Second Vatican Council neither changed nor intended to change this doctrine, rather it developed, deepened and more fully explained it.

This was exactly what John XXIII said at the beginning of the Council.[1] Paul VI affirmed it[2] and commented in the act of promulgating the Constitution Lumen gentium: “There is no better comment to make than to say that this promulgation really changes nothing of the traditional doctrine. What Christ willed, we also will. What was, still is. What the Church has taught down through the centuries, we also teach. In simple terms that which was assumed, is now explicit; that which was uncertain, is now clarified; that which was meditated upon, discussed and sometimes argued over, is now put together in one clear formulation”.[3] The Bishops repeatedly expressed and fulfilled this intention.[4] ...

...

The Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI, at the Audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, ratified and confirmed these Responses, adopted in the Plenary Session of the Congregation, and ordered their publication.

Rome, from the Offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, June 29, 2007, the Solemnity of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul.

William Cardinal Levada
Prefect

Angelo Amato, S.D.B.
Titular Archbishop of Sila
Secretary

...

[Notations]

[1] John XXIII, Address of 11 October 1962: “…The Council…wishes to transmit Catholic doctrine, whole and entire, without alteration or deviation…To be sure, at the present time, it is necessary that Christian doctrine in its entirety, and with nothing taken away from it, is accepted with renewed enthusiasm, and serene and tranquil adherence… it is necessary that the very same doctrine be understood more widely and more profoundly as all those who sincerely adhere to the Christian, Catholic and Apostolic faith strongly desire …it is necessary that this certain and unchangeable doctrine, to which is owed the obedience of faith, be explored and expounded in the manner required by our times. For the deposit of faith itself, or the truths which are contained in our venerable doctrine, are one thing; another thing is the way in which they are expressed, with however the same meaning and signification”: AAS 54 [1962] 791-792" - Vatican.va Vatican II Questions And Answers On Policy Changes - http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...ith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html
You'll have to cut that down to two sentences.
Thanks.
 
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Mr. Bookends has extreme hatred for the Catholic church. I don't need to prove it...the proof is in his silly posts that go back decades and hundreds of years.
My dear, unless the teachings and rulings of the RCC are withdrawn and annulled they stand to this present day irrespective of how many years have transpired.

Even in secular society this is the case. Try telling a judge that the ruling no longer applies because it is ex amount of years old. Besides showing your ignorance you wouldn't have a leg to stand on and possibly laughed out of court.

Surely you wouldn't use the same argument against Jesus' pronouncements because they are thousands of years old?
 

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All still valid, see the previous citations.
In case you did not know, the still valid, CCC online is 100 years old - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/
Excuse me THBE
The CCC was written up between 1986 and 1992 and overseen by Ratzinger, the retired Pope.

It was signed and released as OFFICIAL CHURCH TEACHINGS in 1992 by Pope John Paul II.

Please modern up.
 

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For that, you'd have to understand the Jesuit history, and the deadly wound, but, you'd have to read ...
What's there to know?
I study with a Jesuit once a month.
They seem to me to be alive and living.

The Catholic church did some pretty horrendous deeds.
Maybe it's time to move on?
They don't seem to be doing them anymore....
And it's been a long time now.
 

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What's there to know?
I study with a Jesuit once a month.
They seem to me to be alive and living.

The Catholic church did some pretty horrendous deeds.
Maybe it's time to move on?
They don't seem to be doing them anymore....
And it's been a long time now.
 

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My dear, unless the teachings and rulings of the RCC are withdrawn and annulled they stand to this present day irrespective of how many years have transpired.

Even in secular society this is the case. Try telling a judge that the ruling no longer applies because it is ex amount of years old. Besides showing your ignorance you wouldn't have a leg to stand on and possibly laughed out of court.

Surely you wouldn't use the same argument against Jesus' pronouncements because they are thousands of years old?
Well, actually, even in secular society some laws have become obsolete. Try to remember the rules which governed the horse and buggy days. Do you still carry around a sack for you know what? I don't think so.

Yes. Some rulings NO LONGER APPLY.

Not only are divorced couples invited into church these days...but they're actually allowed to receive communion in some cases.
Startling, isn't it!

I give you the same advice I gave THBE.
Modern up.
 

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Hmmmm.
Yes, this could be one of your problems.
You take everything so literally.

If something SEEMS true to me,
then to me it IS true.

You play games when games should not be played.

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Why? Because you agree with his hatred?

An analogy... If your brother or your son violated another persons daughter then justified it or denied it do you hate them or do you hate the behaviour?

To confuse the two is a mistake while projecting that confusion onto another is an even greater mistake.
 

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An analogy... If your brother or your son violated another persons daughter then justified it or denied it do you hate them or do you hate the behaviour?

To confuse the two is a mistake while projecting that confusion onto another is an even greater mistake.
The son and brother are no longer what THBE makes them out to be.
So your question is moot.
 
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Excuse me THBE
The CCC was written up between 1986 and 1992 and overseen by Ratzinger, the retired Pope.

It was signed and released as OFFICIAL CHURCH TEACHINGS in 1992 by Pope John Paul II.

Please modern up.
That's a contradiction to what you said I earlier did (and my statement still stands for anyone to see for the online CCC is 100 years old). I have cited the CCC numerous times, which contradicts what you said earlier:

...It's 2018, not 1818 or even 1918....
Mr. Bookends has extreme hatred for the Catholic church. I don't need to prove it...the proof is in his silly posts that go back decades and hundreds of years.
 

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That's a contradiction to what you said I earlier did (and my statement still stands for anyone to see for the online CCC is 100 years old). I have cited the CCC numerous times, which contradicts what you said earlier:
Anyone can go to Professor Google and find out if what I said is correct.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church.
1992
Pope John Paul II

The information is free to all.
No need to trust YOU or ME.
 

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Which commandment am I not keeping??
Why are you asking me? I am not the looking glass you need to behold (Exodus 20:1-17, and in the light of Calvary).

Your username is "GodsGrace". God's grace is very powerful, in that it enables and teaches:

Titus 2:7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
Titus 2:8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
Titus 2:9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;
Titus 2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity (G458, ανομιας), and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.​
 

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Why are you asking me? I am not the looking glass you need to behold (Exodus 20:1-17, and in the light of Calvary).

Your username is "GodsGrace". God's grace is very powerful, in that it enables and teaches:

Titus 2:7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
Titus 2:8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
Titus 2:9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;
Titus 2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity (G458, ανομιας), and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.​
Agreed.