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And how can grace "teach" us? Ah, the Holy Spirit of grace, teaches in the place of Jesus on earth:

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.​
 

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And how can grace "teach" us? Ah, the Holy Spirit of grace, teaches in the place of Jesus on earth:

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.​
I'm good with all of the above.
I also remind you of Jeremiah 31:34

However, I do have to say that it is good to be taught by men who know more than we do....like a good pastor or preacher or theologian, for instance. They do bring to mind things that we may not have gathered on our own.
 

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I'm good with all of the above.
I also remind you of Jeremiah 31:34...
And Ezekiel 36:25-29, 37:26-28; Hebrews 8:8-13, 10:16,; 2 Corinthians 3:3, etc, of course.

What is "the covenant" I highlighted in Hebrews 10:29?

It was ratified by the blood of Jesus at Calvary, and by the Father in Heaven when Jesus ascended the first time.
 
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And Ezekiel 36:25-29, 37:26-28; Hebrews 8:8-13, 10:16,; 2 Corinthians 3:3, etc, of course.

What is "the covenant" I highlighted in Hebrews 10:29?

It was ratified by the blood of Jesus at Calvary, and by the Father in Heaven when Jesus ascended the first time.
The New Covenant, of course.
But what has that to do with anything?
I'm losing track of these posts.
Do you think the CC does not believe in the New Covenant?
 

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I see no reason why as @bbyrd009 said...why the Catholics 'should' go to a Catholic Forum
i mean if they want to post pagan interpretations of Scripture and have them be accepted. i have no problems with Catholics being here at all though. Why they want to be here rather than a Catholic forum is glaringly obvious, if you have ever been on a Catholic forum, imo. I'm on a couple.

So wadr to the many Catholics who are not, what we mostly get is the many who are ready to jump ship or something but are naturally bringing their baggage with them, maybe not realizing that it is the baggage that caused the ship to sink. i don't mind helping unpack, ok, as long as it is understood that we are throwing out, not putting on a shelf

so what i meant was that we should not debate across the fence that Catholics have installed between themselves and Scripture. Catholics rely on Catholic fathers and extra-Biblical works for their doctrine, and i also have no problem with that, even though it also is not Christianity; by which i def do not mean "not accepted by God."

Catholics have literally re-written Scripture to suit themselves, they have a version that no one else uses, and that there are no original mss for. Now i am surrounded by Catholics IRL, and i will say that i am confident that the re-write has not caused a single Catholic who is seeking after to Christ to fall, ok, and i would even encourage anyone who wants to embrace Catholicism to go for it; God does not reserve His Love for Christians only, and works meet for rebound are all that matters

i really meant that more by way of an apology tbh; "i'm sorry that you are attempting to promote heresy as Scriptural, and i invite you to back it up with Scripture or goto a forum where you will be accepted." seems fair enough to me, after all i gotta do the same thing
 
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If this: And she was delivered of a son, a man child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne.

Is not Jesus , then who is it?
Did a literal fire-breathing dragon with a tail long enough to scoop up 1/3 of the trillions of stars in the interstellar space chase Mary into the wilderness? Because that is exactly what you must believe if you insist Mary is the "woman" of Revelation 12.

You seem to have missed what is written in the very first verse of the book of Revelation - that John's prophecy is "signified" which means "given in signs and symbols" which must be interpreted by "holy men who spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" (2 Peter 1:21) -Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, Obadiah, Isaiah, etc. - order to gain a proper understanding of what John's vision means.
  • the Dragon = Satan
  • the Stars = the angels of God
  • the "manchild" = Jesus
  • the rulership of all nations with a rod of iron = final destruction of God's enemies (see Psalms 2 and never doubt this at all)
  • time, times, and half a time/1,200 days = 1,260 years (using the "each day for a year" principle, A PRINCIPLE WITH WHICH EVEN YOUR OWN JESUIT PRIESTS AGREE AS THEY CORRECTLY INTERPRETED THE SYMBOLIC "490 DAYS" OF DANIEL'S "70 WEEKS" PROPHECY AS 490 LITERAL YEARS.
Did Mary live 1,260 years? No.
Therefore, the "woman" is exactly what Jeremiah, Jesus, Paul, and the rest of the "holy men who spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" speak of symbolically: God's people. The holy lineage of God's people is through which came the promised Messiah which "was caught up unto God, and to His throne".
 

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What is the "new" Covenant?

(it is also called "the Everlasting Covenant", since it was made in eternity between Father and Son, witnessed by the Holy Ghost, called the Counsel of Peace, etc. - https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/why-law-old-covenant.26183/#post-415190 )
You know very well what it is, so I'll go through it quickly for some reading along that may actually not know.

The New and Everlasting Covenant means not only that it is the New Covenant but it also is the last covenant.

The first covenant was the Edenic Covenant.
The last covenant is the New Covenant.
It comes from the O.T....
Jeremiah 31:33

The difference between the "old" or Mosaic Covenant is that the O.C. was written on stone. It was a bi-lateral Covenant. God would give something if the people would give something. It had blessings if the people obeyed and curses if they did not obey. The sign of the O.C. is the Sabbath. Exodus 31:12.
But, once again, the Israelites did not honor the covenant they agreed to.
God promises His grace in Exodus 34:6-7; He will be merciful and forgive the people their sins; problem is, they have no power to avoid sin...only their own efforts.

The New Covenant, which comes into effect only after Jesus' death, as any testament does, is a better covenant because the sacrifice is better and we now have a merciful God who still forgives our sins and who still demands obedience from us, but we now have the power to adhere to His will, as best we can through the power of the Holy Spirit. This is a unilateral covenant --- God does it all.
The sign is the Eucharist or it could be debated that it is baptism. We do, however, need to be in the New Covenant to be protected by it.

The O.C. worked by law...
The N.C. works by grace.
The law cannot save.
Grace does not mean we don't follow the law, just that we are now able to.
 

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All still valid, see the previous citations.
In case you did not know, the still valid, CCC online is 100 years old - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/
This statement needs correcting. It is the CCE (Encyclopedia) online that is 100 years old. This was my error. I had to go back and see where the disconnect was between us. This was it.
 
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You know very well what it is ...
I indeed do know, but I am asking you.

The New and Everlasting Covenant means not only that it is the New Covenant but it also is the last covenant.
The "new" [aka Everlasting or Eternal] Covenant existed before the 'old covenant'. It existed between the Father and the Son, witnessed by the Holy Ghost, in eternity.

It deals with God's own unchanging and immutable character (Exodus 33:12-23; 34:1-9; Exodus 20:5-6).

If one were to carefully and prayerfully (this is key) read Exodus 19 and 24, along with Hebrews 8 & 10, Jeremiah 31 and Ezekiel 36, among others, they would see that there is a difference between God's everlasting covenant (Ten Commandments), which are His unfailing promises, and the peoples faulty promises (the 'old covenant').

For instance:

The 'old covenant' [Exodus 19:3-9 KJB, "All that the LORD hath spoken we will do"].

[see Exodus 19:3-8 KJB, for the 'old covenant' is never, in all of scripture [KJB], the Ten Commandments [the perfect, righteousness, spiritual, holy, just and good and eternal Law of God; Psalms 19:7; Romans 9:31; Romans 7:14; James 1:25; Psalms 119:44-45; Romans 7:12; Psalms 89:34; Exodus 20:1-17, especially Exodus 20:8, “holy”, see Isaiah 58:13; 2 Peter 3:2 KJB], but was always the faulty promises of the peoples Israel after the flesh, made in agreement to do all that the LORD says. They failed. Why? Works and no Faith [Romans 9:32 KJB]. They [in general] attempted without God's strength [Revelation 12:10-12; Romans 5:6; 1 Corinthians 1:24 KJB], and though they were free physically, they were still slaves spiritually, that is of the heart and mind: 'all that the LORD hath said we will do', their faulty promises, and yet they did not, for they sinned by the golden calf.

The Everlasting Covenant [New, which existed before the 'old', even from eternity, for the Father and Son clasped hands in agreement, the Holy Ghost as Witness, should [when] sin [the mystery of iniquity] arise, they would work out the plan of Redemption, thus it is “the everlasting covenant” or the covenant of life and peace, or the counsel of peace, ratified by the blood of the Son of God Himself and by the Father in Heaven, see Psalms 89:3,28,34, 105:8; Isaiah 13:12, 42:6; Malachi 2:5 [Jesus is the True Levi, meaning attached unto His Father], 3:1; John 19:30 [he finished laying the foundation, the words were unto His Father], 17:24 [the agreement in eternity past was made, Jesus kept His word, performed His vows, and now the promise from the Father was to be fulfilled]; John 3:16; John 19:28; Hebrews 13:20; Revelation 13:8; Psalms 40:7-8; Hebrews 10:7-9; Psalms 116:14-18; Ezekiel 38:23; John 17:19; John 10:18; 8:28; Psalms 110:4; Zechariah 6:13, etc., etc. for surely as the Rainbow is above God's throne, so the covenant between Father and Son, witnessed by the Holy Ghost, is eternal, KJB] is God's, “I will ...”, His Promise; more on this in detail later, as needed. The 'old covenant' is not the same as God's 'my covenant', which we establish by Faith [Romans 3:31 KJB]. They are two things, not one, which will be demonstrated in thorough detail later, as needed. God's Ten Commandments are all perfect promises, without fault.]
The Ten Commandments are the Eternal promises of God, which are in the New/Everlasting Covenant in Christ Jesus, for God sais, "I will" send my Son. "I will" write "my laws" in their hearts. "I will" cause them to walk in my laws. "I will" forgive them. "I will" cleanse them. "I will" give them my Holy Spirit, etc, etc.

The Ten Commandments begins with Grace, Exodius 20:1-2 KJB, requires faith unto obedience, and can only be fulfilled by the indwelling love of God [Exodus 20:6; John 14:15 KJB].

The 'old covenant' was their faulty promises [Exodus 19:3-9 KJB, "All that the LORD hath spoken we will do"] to obey God in His "My covenant" [Everlasting/New], apart from God doing it in them [Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-13, 10:16; Ezekiel 36:25-28, 37:26; 2 Corinthians 3:1-3 KJB, etc].

Hebrews 8:6 KJB - But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Hebrews 8:7 KJB - For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Hebrews 8:8 KJB - For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:9 KJB - Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
The Ten Commandments have not one faulty promise, lest you would find fault with the character of God Himself?

Psalms 19:7 KJB - The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Here are the Ten Commandments, let any show us the fault in them? (Beware lest you find fault with God Himself, even as the pharisees sought to find in Jesus; John 8:46)

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
 
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The first covenant was the Edenic Covenant.
That is simply the Everlasing and Eternal covenant being carried out, ie, being put into effect:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Please notice the "it (seed) shall bruise ... his heel" and not "she shall bruise ... her heel" as current Roman Catholic theology teaches. The glory belongs unto God, even Jesus Christ, not 'Mary'. If this cannot be admitted, then you will second Roman Catholicism's doctrine.

Roman Catholicism has been warned:


Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Ecclesiastes 3:14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

Roman Catholic Catechism, on the 4th (RC 3rd) Commandment.

"... We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.106 ...

... 2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107

Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.108 ...

... 2190 The sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ. ..." - Catechism of the Catholic Church; PART THREE; LIFE IN CHRIST; SECTION TWO; THE TEN COMMANDMENTS; CHAPTER ONE; "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND"; ARTICLE 3; THE THIRD COMMANDMENT - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a3.htm

That is a direct fulfillment of Daniel 7:25, etc:


Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The 4th Commanment (RC 3rd) is both "time" and "law".

Jesus death, proves the inviolability and immutablity of God's Law:

Isaiah 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Additionally, there is not a single verse, passage, chapter, book, testament in all of scripture, which says that the seventh day the sabbath is "the Jewish" sabbath.

Question: Where is a single text in all of scripture (KJB) that states "Jewish" sabbath?

There is no such thing. It is "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God."

Moses wasn't a Jew, and not the first to sabbath the seventh day.

Does the bible [KJB] use the phrase "Jewish Sabbath" anywhere in either OT [Genesis to Malachi] or NT [Matthew to Revelation]?

Since most, incorrectly, think that sabbath keeping began with Moses, rather than with JEHOVAH from the beginning in Genesis, let us ask:

Was Moses an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

Was Aaron an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

Was Miriam an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

Were the mixed multitude "Jews" that came up out of Egypt with Moses and Israel [the peoples]?

Was Moses' wife, Zipporah, a "Jew"?

Were the other tribes of Israel, in the days of Moses, other than Judah, "Jews"?

Moses wasn't a Jew, neither Aaron, nor Miriam, nor Zipporah, nor the 'mixed multitude', etc.

God, in Exodus is directly called the "God of the Hebrews" [Exodus 5:3 KJB].

Moses was Hebrew [Exodus 2:7,11 KJB], so also the midwives [Exodus 1:15 KJB], as well as others [Exodus 1:16,19; Deuteornomy 15:12 KJB].

Abraham was also Hebrew [Genesis 14:13 KJB], as was Joseph [Genesis 39:14 KJB]. The word Hebrew, comes from "Eber" [Genesis 10:21,24,25, 11:14-17; Numbers 24:24; 1 Chronicles 1:18-19,25 KJB], who is of the line of "Shem" [Genesis 10:21 KJB], of "Noah", etc., etc. unto "Adam".

Jesus saith:

John 8:39 KJB - They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Genesis 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Abraham taught Isaac (and also Ishmael)

Isaac taught Jacob/Israel (and also Esau)

Jacob/Israel taught his sons (as Joseph) and daughter

It was in Egypt through various events that they "forgot'. ... and God came and told them through Moses, "Remember ..."

You would keep all of God's commandments [John 14:15; Exodus 20:6; Exodus 20:8-11; Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14 KJB], but since you do not, you do show whose child you are [Ephesians 2:2, 5:6; Colossians 3:6 KJB].

Galatians 3:29 KJB - And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

There is not a single scripture that says "Jewish sabbath", or "sabbath of the Jews". It is a myth.

It is always, the Holy "seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God". And moreso, since Jesus is God, and so also man [the second/last Adam], even the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, it is the Sabbath of Jesus, the Jew, for the "son of man [Jesus] is LORD also of the Sabbath" [Mark 2:28 KJB], thus all who are His children [Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1; Hebrews 2:9-13; Isaiah 8:8-20; Isaiah 56:1,8; John 10:16; Isaiah 56:2-7 KJB], and of the New Creation, will keep His Sabbath even in eternity, even in the New Heavens and New Earth:


Isaiah 66:23 KJB - And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
 

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... [continued] ...
In the prophecy of Isaiah 56:1-8 [mentioned in the NT, John 10:16, 21:17, etc], were the "sons of the stranger" who were to take hold of the New Covenant, "keepeth the sabbath from polluting it", and have an "everlasting name", physically "Jews"?

In Acts 13:42-44, did even the "Gentiles" come together on the "sabbath" to "hear the word of God"?

In the prophecy of Isaiah 66:22-23, in regards the "new heavens" and the "new earth", wherein "from one sabbath to another", shall therein "all flesh" come to worship before God, is the "all flesh" only physically "Jews"?

In Genesis 2:1-3; appropriated in Exodus 20:8-11, etc, did God [Elohiym], when finished with the work of creation, cease and then "rested" in "the seventh day", which was then "blessed" and "sanctified"?

Was God then [Genesis 2:1-3] in the form of a servant, a man, or a Jew [from the tribe of Judah]?

Jesus, in the NT, said that the "sabbath" was [past tense] "made" [at creation, not Mt. Sinai] for the "man" [man-kind], and was therefore not Adam [and thus Eve] the only "man" for whom the "sabbath" was "made", and so all man-kind in him [you, me and all]?

Was the "man" [Adam] for whom the "sabbath" was "made" (Mark 2:27) a physical "Jew"?

Is the word "stranger" [gentile, of another nation than Israel] included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

Are even the domesticated beasts of service and burden [Ox and Ass], included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

Are even the "manservant" and "maidservant" [which could be of any nationality] included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

In the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11, was it not the LORD God [YHVH, JEHOVAH Elohiym] who "rested" in the beginning of Creation, Genesis 2:1-3, and therefore is His [belonging to] Holy day [the seventh day and no other] in which He rested from creating/speaking, and thus blessed and sanctified the seventh day for the man, Mark 2:27-28?

Since the Sabbath of the LORD God is in existence in the perfect creation in Genesis 2:1-3; utilized in Exodus 20:8-11, in the very Ten Commandments, and seen in the perfect life and example of Jesus, whose very daily life demonstrated the taking away of sin, which is transgression of the Holy Law of God [and Lucifer was cast out from there because of sin, and sin shall not exist therein ever again], part of the New Covenant in Isaiah 56, etc, and is again in the perfect New Creation of the New Heavens and New Earth, in Isaiah 66, wherein "all flesh" come to worship before JEHOVAH in every the Blessed Holy 7th day, the Sabbath of the LORD, are only physical "Jews" to keep it in redemption, or shall rather all who dress in the provided heavenly garments of salvation/redemption keep it [dress and keep]?

In the NT Gospels, book of Acts and Epistles, did Jesus' true disciples and apostles ever cease from keeping the Sabbath of the LORD Jesus their God, since Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, being His Blessed Holy day, from creation?

In the NT, did Jesus ever rebuke those Jewish leaders who had loaded the sabbath down with traditions from their elders/fathers which nullified the Commandment of God to none effect?

The last covenant is the New Covenant.
The "new" covenant was ratified by the blood of Jesus, but existed well before the 'old covenant'. See previous texts cited.

It [NC] comes from the O.T....
Jeremiah 31:33
In part, yes.

Question: What "my laws" of God are written upon the heart, and where can those laws be found to be explicitly written in the scripture?

The difference between the "old" or Mosaic Covenant is that the O.C. was written on stone.
The Ten Commandments are not the 'old covenant', and never called such in all of the scripture. See also Romans 3:31:

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Some people erroneously think that "the law" = Ten Commandments = 'old covenant'. Do a substitution on Romans 3:31.


Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the 'old covenant' through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the 'old covenant'.

It is no longer scripture, and now broken.

It [OC] was a bi-lateral Covenant. God would give something if the people would give something.
Actually God promised "if ... then ..." and they said, "All that the LORD hath said we will do." (This was the 'old covenant', also ratified by blood, see Exodus 19 & 24) They immediately failed, at the golden calf (false worhip, image of a beast, claiming it was the true worship of JEHOVAH Elohiym).
 

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It had blessings if the people obeyed and curses if they did not obey.
Notice Jesus:

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Every last word in the pages of Genesis to Malachi, still remain, for the Christian in the New Covenant:


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The sign of the O.C. is the Sabbath. Exodus 31:12.
The sabbath of the LORD thy God is the "sign" of the "perpetual (everlasting/eternal) covenant":

Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Jesus Christ Himself, is Israel (Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1, etc), is of Juda (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Revelation 5:5). He is "the man" (1 Timothy 2:5; and all in Him) for whom the sabbath was "made" (Mark 2:27), not just Adam the first (and all in Him):

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

But, once again, the Israelites did not honor the covenant they agreed to.
Right. Hebrews 8:


Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

God promises His grace in Exodus 34:6-7; He will be merciful and forgive the people their sins; problem is, they have no power to avoid sin...only their own efforts.
Exodus 34 is in the context of God's character, which cites from Exodus 20:5-6, the Ten Commandment, the written transcript of His eternal chracter. What is sin? 1 John 3:4.


1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The New Covenant, which comes into effect only after Jesus' death, as any testament does, is a better covenant because the sacrifice is better and we now have a merciful God who still forgives our sins and who still demands obedience from us, but we now have the power to adhere to His will, as best we can through the power of the Holy Spirit.
The "new" covenant was from the beginning, Genesis 3:15, after the failure of the works of the fig leaves. The New Covenant was ratified by the blood of Jesus at Calvary, but all from Adam, to Abel, to Seth, to Noah, to Abraham, to Moses, etc, etc to enter into that covenant by faith in the seed to come.

This is a unilateral covenant --- God does it all.
It was the covenant between the Father and the Son, witnessed by the Holy Ghost. Man then enters and lives through faith, which comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, since faith comes not from ourselves, being the gift of God. If in thise sense, then I agree. Yet, man is required.
 
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The sign is the Eucharist ...
No such word is given to the bread and cup anywhere in scripture:

The word “Eucharist” [as Rome defines] is nowhere present in scripture [KJB] used as a name for the “last supper”. There are 3 koine Greek words [interestingly enough are not used once in the so-called LXX [actually a column of Origen's Hexapla]], but they simply mean “thanksgiving”, “thanks”, “thankful” and used in all manner of thanksgiving outside of the “last supper”, even to government officials:

[G2186] “εὐχαριστέω”, “eucharisteō” - 39 times KJB

thanks, 26

Matthew 15:36, 26:27; Mark 8:6, 14:23; Luke 22:16-17 (2),19; John 6:11,23; Acts 27:35; Romans 14:6 (2), 16:4; 1 Corinthians 10:30, 11:24, 14:17; 2 Corinthians 1:11; Ephesians 1:16, 5:20; Colossians 1:3,12, 3:17; 1 Thessalonians 1:2, 5:18; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; Revelation 11:17
thank, 11

Luke 18:11; John 11:41; Romans 1:8, 7:25; 1 Corinthians 1:4,14, 14:18; Philippians 1:3; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Thessalonians 1:3; Philemon 1:4
thanked, 1

Acts 28:15
thankful, 1

Romans 1:21​

[G2187] “εὐχαριστία”, “eucharistia” - 15 times KJB

thanksgiving, 8

2 Corinthians 4:15, 9:11; Colossians 2:6-7 (2), 4:2; 1 Timothy 4:3-4 (2); Revelation 7:12
thanks, 5

1 Corinthians 14:16; Ephesians 5:4; 1 Thessalonians 3:9; 1 Timothy 2:1; Revelation 4:9
thankfulness, 1

Acts 24:3
thanksgivings, 1

2 Corinthians 9:12​

[G2188] “εὐχάριστος”, “eucharistos” - 1 times KJB

thankful, 1

Colossians 3:15​

... or it could be debated that it is baptism.
Romans 6, etc is very clear.

We do, however, need to be in the New Covenant to be protected by it.
In spirit and in truth.

The O.C. worked by law...
The N.C. works by grace.
The law cannot save.
Grace does not mean we don't follow the law, just that we are now able to.
Question: Which "law" are you referring to and where can I find the explicit words to obey in scripture?
 

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I study with a Jesuit once a month. ...
Now to the Jesuits (origins, oaths, practices, history):






The Jesuits are a military prelature directly under the Pope, and the Jesuit Superior General, aka 'Black' Pope, currently "Arturo Sosa", and the previous was Adolfo Nicolas, the previous being Peter Hans Kolvenbach, etc - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_General_of_the_Society_of_Jesus

"The Society of Jesus is a religious order founded by Saint Ignatius Loyola. Designated by him "The Company of Jesus" to indicate its true leader and its soldier spirit, the title was Latinized into "Societas Jesu" in the Bull of Paul III approving its formation and the first formula of its Institute ("Regimini militantis ecclesia", 27 Sept., 1540).

... The name "Societas Jesu" had been born by a military order approved and recommended by Pius II in 1450 ...

... As the object of the society was the propagation and strengthening of the Catholic Faith everywhere, the Jesuits naturally endeavored to counteract the spread of Protestanism. They became the main instruments of the Counter-Reformation; the re-conquest of southern and western Germany and Austria for the Church, and the preservation of the Catholic faith in France and other countries were due chiefly to their exertions. ...

...The professed are all priests, who make, besides the three usual solemn vows of religion, a fourth, of special obedience to the pope in the matter of missions, undertaking to go wherever they are sent, without even requiring money for the journey. ..." - Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia, section S, "the Society of Jesus" - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14081a.htm
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"... [the Jesuits are the] advance guard of the Church ..." - Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia, section S, "the Society of Jesus" - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04437a.htm
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"“God’s Marines” called to serve ... The members are called Jesuits, and are also known colloquially as “God’s Marines” and as “The Company,” these being references to founder Ignatius of Loyola’s military background ... " - https://web.archive.org/web/20150427010541/https://ignatiushouse.org/spirituality/the-jesuits/

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"... They have sometimes been known as "God's soldiers," after being founded by St. Ignatius of Loyola in 1534. ..." - https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124357786?storyId=124357786
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"... "Jesuits are called 'God's Marines' for a reason. They are the Special Forces of the Catholic Church." ..." [
as quoted by an ex-marine, so when he says, "Special Forces", it means militarily.] - http://krieger2.jhu.edu/magazine/f10/a1.html
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"... In practice his custom was to train the will so thoroughly that his men might be able after a short time to "level up" others (a most difficult thing), even though they lived outside the cloisters, with no external support for their discipline. The wonderful achievements of staying and rolling back the tide of the Reformation, in so far as it was due to the Jesuits, was the result of increased will-power given to previously irresolute Catholics by the Ignatian methods. ..." - http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedi...ocuments/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060422_gesuiti.html
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They are also called the "Storm Troopers" and "Shock Troopers" of the Papal See. Google it.
They have "Generals" and "Superior Generals".

"... After the election of Fr. Adolfo Nicolás as new Father General ..."- www.sjweb.info/35/index.cfm

"... he was elected Superior General of the Society of Jesus ..." - http://www.sjweb.info/
A bit of History:

The Jesuit Initiates are said to obey the Pope "like a corpse",

"... perinde ac cadaver, "like a corpse" ..." - Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia, section S, Society of Jesus, History of the (Before 1773) - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14086a.htm

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"... the renunciation of their will, and the abnegation of their judgment ..."

"...32. According to the Constitutions, “the entire purport of this fourth vow of obedience to the pope was and is with regard to missions… for having the members dispersed throughout the various parts of the world”.50 This is the matter of the vow. But the Constitutions also invite us to distinguish ourselves in obediencenot only in the matters of obligation but also in others even though nothing else be perceived except an indication of the superior’s will without an expressed command”.51 This is thoroughly congruent with Ignatius’s ideal of obedience, which holds “that obedience is imperfect in which there does not exist, in addition to the execution, agreement in willing and judging between him who commands and him who obeys”.52 ..." - http://www.sjweb.info/35/documents/Decrees.pdf

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"... The thirteenth, finally, that we may be altogether of the same mind and in conformity with the Church herself, if she shall have defined anything to be black which to our eyes appears to be white, we ought in like manner to pronounce it to be white. [Autograph, The thirteenth: that we may in all things attain the truth (that we may not err in anything), we ought ever to hold it (as a fixed principle), that what I see white, I believe to be black, if the Hierarchical Church so define it (to be);]] ..." - The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius of Loyola, [PDF page 229] page 180, translated from the Authorised Latin; with Extracts from the Literal Versaion and Notes of the Rev. Father Rothaan. Father-General of the Company of Jesus; by Charles Seager, M.A.: to which is prefixed A Preface by the Right Rev. Nicholas Wiseman, D.D., Bishop of Melipotamus, and Coadjutor of theMidland District of England. London: Charles Dolman, 61 New Bond-Street. MDCCCXLVII. (1847) - https://archive.org/stream/a588350800loyouoft#page/n229/mode/1up/
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Now, let's look at the man, Íñigo López de Loyola himself, and the origins of the order, and exercises.
 

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Íñigo López de Loyola

"He experienced a vision of the Virgin Mary and the infant Jesus while at the shrine of Our Lady of Montserrat in March 1522. Thereafter he went to Manresa, where he began praying for seven hours a day, often in a nearby cave, while formulating the fundamentals of the Spiritual Exercises."

"... Upon recovery [from a war injury], he visited the Benedictine monastery, Santa Maria de Montserrat (March 25, 1522), where he hung his military vestments before an image of the Virgin. He then traveled to the town of Manresa, Catalonia and spent several months in a cave near where he practiced rigorous asceticism. Ignatius also began seeing a series of visions in full daylight while in hospital. These repetitive visions appeared as "a form in the air near him and this form gave him much consolation because it was exceedingly beautiful ... it somehow seemed to have the shape of a serpent and had many things that shone like eyes, but were not eyes. He received much delight and consolation from gazing upon this object ... but when the object vanished he became disconsolate." [16] ..." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Loyola

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Muhammad also met such an 'messenger/angel' in a cave.​

Jesuit source:

Contemporary Paintings on Ignatian Spirituality, by Holly Schapker, an alumna of a Jesuit school, see small intro pg 21 and then see pg 24 for the "serpent" on right hand side, subtitled with the following quotation,

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"One of Ignatius Loyola’s spiritual visions was a serpent-like creature that helped him understand the differences between good and evil." - https://web.archive.org/web/2011052...holycross.edu/grants/lilly/pilgr-schapker.pdf
Think, who used "the serpent" to communicate information about "good and evil" even from the beginning... God or satan... right there, even from the beginning spiritualism is born of the contradictive words "...ye shall not surely die..."

Inigo & Alumbrados:


"Alumbrado, ( Spanish: “Enlightened”: ) Italian Illuminato, plural Illuminati, a follower of a mystical movement in Spain during the 16th and 17th centuries. Its adherents claimed that the human soul, having attained a certain degree of perfection, was permitted a vision of the divine and entered into direct communication with the Holy Spirit. From this state the soul could neither advance nor retrogress. Consequently, participation in the liturgy, good works, and observance of the exterior forms of religious life were unnecessary for those who had received the “light.” The Alumbrados came primarily from among the reformed Franciscans and the Jesuits, but their doctrines seem to have influenced all classes of people. The extravagant claims made for their visions and revelations caused them to be relentlessly persecuted. The Inquisition issued edicts against them on three occasions (1568, 1574, and 1623)." - Encyclopedia Britannica, section "Alumbrados" - https://www.britannica.com/event/Alumbrado
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The Mysticism of Ignatius Loyola; Brian O' Leary, SJ Consultant in Ignatian Spirituality, Dublin Ireland. pg 85,87,88,96 - http://www.sjweb.info/documents/cis/pdfenglish/200711606en.pdf

*"The sources for the suspicion that fell on Ignatius were many. ... [pg 85]

[pg 87] ...The suspicions of alumbradismo that fell on Ignatius Loyola personally from the 1520's were extended over the years to the book of the Spiritual Exercises and eventually to the Society of Jesus itself. One of the most prominent and able early critics of what we now call Ignatian spirituality was the Dominican theologian, Melchor Cano. He was implacably hostile to the alumbrados and associated Ignatius with them. Between 1556 and 1558 Cano wrote a number of letters in which he affirmed that the Society was a heretical force whose Exercises were undermining Church and State. ... A document discovered in the British Library in 1977 and attributed to Cano is almost certainly the work in question. It is known by the first word of its title, the Censura.14

Suspicians of the Spiritual Exercises

It contains attacks on the Society of Jesus, on Ignatius, and on the Exercies. ..." [pg 87]

[pg 88] ...Nevertheless, Ignatius and the alumbrados did share certain common beliefs, and aspirations. ...

[pg 96] ...14 The full title reads: Censura y parecer contra el Instituto de los Padres Jesuitas. ..."​

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"... Returning to Spain, he and his companions were occupied in University of Alcalá (the present-day Complutense University of Madrid, not the newer University of Alcalá established in 1977) with the task of making disciples of women called as witnesses by the Inquisition under the direction of magistrate Alonso Mejias. Although the alumbrados* [Illuminated; Illuminati; Enlightened Ones] of Spain were linked in their zeal and spirituality to the Franciscan reforms of which Cardinal de Cisneros was a promoter," the administrators of the Inquisition had mounting suspicions. These female disciples, Doña Leo, Doña Maria, and Doña Beatriz were so hysterically zealous that "one fell senseless, another sometimes rolled about on the ground, another had been seen in the grip of convulsions or shuddering and sweating in anguish." This suspicious activity had taken place while Ignatius and his companions were regularly preaching in public. Because of his "street-corner perorations" being identified "with the activities of the alumbrados," Ignatius was naturally singled out for inspection** as one of these visionaries; however he was later released. ..." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_Loyola#Religious_Conversion_and_Religious_Life
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"The Alumbrados (Illuminated) was a term used to loosely describe practitioners of a mystical form of Christianity in Spain during the 15th-16th centuries. Some alumbrados were only mildly heterodox, but others held views that were clearly heretical. Consequently, they were firmly repressed and became some of the early victims of the Spanish Inquisition. ..." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alumbrados​

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"... the Inquisition proceeded with relentless energy against all suspects, citing before its tribunal even St. John of Avila and St. Ignatius of Loyola." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Beata_de_Piedrahita#Life​

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"... Ignatius of Loyola, while studying at Salamanca in 1527, was brought before an ecclesiastical commission on a charge of sympathy with the alumbrados, but escaped with an admonition. Miguel de Molinos was also accused of sympathy owing to some similarities between his book The Spiritual Guide and the teachings of the early alumbrados, Isabella de la Cruz and Pedro Ruiz de Alcaraz. ..." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alumbrados#Historical_Cases
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"Censura":

"... The prosecutor’s case includes several passages, printed in italics, which are drawn from the Censura. They concern the mission of Pierre Favre (1506–46) to Germany (cf. Censura, fol. 95v), the behavior of Diego Laínez and Alfonso Salmerón (1515–85) at Trent (cf. fol. 96r), the legality of the Society’s approbation (cf. fols. 97r–97v), its association with the sisters founded by the Countess of Guastalda (ibid.), and the sexual licence of some Jesuits (cf. fol. 100v).20 ..." - http://booksandjournals.brillonline.com/content/journals/10.1163/22141332-00403001
 

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No such word is given to the bread and cup anywhere in scripture:

The word “Eucharist” [as Rome defines] is nowhere present in scripture [KJB] used as a name for the “last supper”. There are 3 koine Greek words [interestingly enough are not used once in the so-called LXX [actually a column of Origen's Hexapla]], but they simply mean “thanksgiving”, “thanks”, “thankful” and used in all manner of thanksgiving outside of the “last supper”, even to government officials:

[G2186] “εὐχαριστέω”, “eucharisteō” - 39 times KJB

thanks, 26

Matthew 15:36, 26:27; Mark 8:6, 14:23; Luke 22:16-17 (2),19; John 6:11,23; Acts 27:35; Romans 14:6 (2), 16:4; 1 Corinthians 10:30, 11:24, 14:17; 2 Corinthians 1:11; Ephesians 1:16, 5:20; Colossians 1:3,12, 3:17; 1 Thessalonians 1:2, 5:18; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; Revelation 11:17
thank, 11

Luke 18:11; John 11:41; Romans 1:8, 7:25; 1 Corinthians 1:4,14, 14:18; Philippians 1:3; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Thessalonians 1:3; Philemon 1:4
thanked, 1

Acts 28:15
thankful, 1

Romans 1:21
[G2187] “εὐχαριστία”, “eucharistia” - 15 times KJB

thanksgiving, 8

2 Corinthians 4:15, 9:11; Colossians 2:6-7 (2), 4:2; 1 Timothy 4:3-4 (2); Revelation 7:12
thanks, 5

1 Corinthians 14:16; Ephesians 5:4; 1 Thessalonians 3:9; 1 Timothy 2:1; Revelation 4:9
thankfulness, 1

Acts 24:3
thanksgivings, 1

2 Corinthians 9:12
[G2188] “εὐχάριστος”, “eucharistos” - 1 times KJB

thankful, 1
Colossians 3:15
Romans 6, etc is very clear.

In spirit and in truth.

Question: Which "law" are you referring to and where can I find the explicit words to obey in scripture?
You write too much THBE.
There's no way I could read all this, although it's good that you post it for those reading along.

BTW, the covenant you're speaking of with Adam and God is NOT the Edenic Covenant, it's the Adamic Covenant.

As to the Eucharist, the word is not in the bible but theologians have come up with the Covenants and that's what we're to go by -- all biblically based, of course.

The Law that I always refer to is the Moral Law, since I'm sure you know that the Civil and Ceremonial laws were abolished.
 
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Íñigo López de Loyola

"He experienced a vision of the Virgin Mary and the infant Jesus while at the shrine of Our Lady of Montserrat in March 1522. Thereafter he went to Manresa, where he began praying for seven hours a day, often in a nearby cave, while formulating the fundamentals of the Spiritual Exercises."

"... Upon recovery [from a war injury], he visited the Benedictine monastery, Santa Maria de Montserrat (

Suspicians of the Spiritual Exercises

It contains attacks on the Society of Jesus, on Ignatius, and on the Exercies. ..." [pg 87]

[pg 88] ...Nevertheless, Ignatius and the alumbrados did share certain common beliefs, and aspirations. ...

[pg 96] ...14 The full title reads: Censura y parecer contra el Instituto de los Padres Jesuitas. ..."​
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"... Returning to Spain, he and his companions were occupied in University of Alcalá (the present-day Complutense University of Madrid, not the newer University of Alcalá established in 1977) with the task of making disciples of women called as witnesses by the Inquisition under the direction of magistrate Alonso Mejias. Although the alumbrados* [Illuminated; Illuminati; Enlightened Ones] of Spain were linked in their zeal and spirituality to the Franciscan reforms of which Cardinal de Cisneros was a promoter," the administrators of the Inquisition had mounting suspicions. These female disciples, Doña Leo, Doña Maria, and Doña Beatriz were so hysterically zealous that "one fell senseless, another sometimes rolled about on the ground, another had been seen in the grip of convulsions or shuddering and sweating in anguish." This suspicious activity had taken place while Ignatius and his companions were regularly preaching in public. Because of his "street-corner perorations" being identified "with the activities of the alumbrados," Ignatius was naturally singled out for inspection** as one of these visionaries; however he was later released. ..." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_Loyola#Religious_Conversion_and_Religious_Life
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"The Alumbrados (Illuminated) was a term used to loosely describe practitioners of a mystical form of Christianity in Spain during the 15th-16th centuries. Some alumbrados were only mildly heterodox, but others held views that were clearly heretical. Consequently, they were firmly repressed and became some of the early victims of the Spanish Inquisition. ..." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alumbrados​
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"... the Inquisition proceeded with relentless energy against all suspects, citing before its tribunal even St. John of Avila and St. Ignatius of Loyola." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Beata_de_Piedrahita#Life​
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"... Ignatius of Loyola, while studying at Salamanca in 1527, was brought before an ecclesiastical commission on a charge of sympathy with the alumbrados, but escaped with an admonition. Miguel de Molinos was also accused of sympathy owing to some similarities between his book The Spiritual Guide and the teachings of the early alumbrados, Isabella de la Cruz and Pedro Ruiz de Alcaraz. ..." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alumbrados#Historical_Cases
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"Censura":

"... The prosecutor’s case includes several passages, printed in italics, which are drawn from the Censura. They concern the mission of Pierre Favre (1506–46) to Germany (cf. Censura, fol. 95v), the behavior of Diego Laínez and Alfonso Salmerón (1515–85) at Trent (cf. fol. 96r), the legality of the Society’s approbation (cf. fols. 97r–97v), its association with the sisters founded by the Countess of Guastalda (ibid.), and the sexual licence of some Jesuits (cf. fol. 100v).20 ..." - http://booksandjournals.brillonline.com/content/journals/10.1163/22141332-00403001
You know I'm not going to read all that...
Fra' Lorenzo is nice.
I don't think he could kill a fly.
And he doesn't really like this pope.
 
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