Guns, Guns, Killing, and more Guns

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jaybird

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You're asking years of Bible study as an answer.
Try to absorb what I just said before you go on.
i understood it just fine.
sounds like your saying the Hebrew bible is for Jews only. this would include Jesus, the 12, st Paul, John the Baptist.
so if none of these guys are our example who is? who do we follow? do we just pick something thats practical?
and im still scratching my head at the idea of Jews being a nation of priest to themselves, wow that makes so little sense.
 

BreadOfLife

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Israel is Israel
Jews living outside of Israel were not subject to levitical laws.
A kingdom of priests to sacrifice for the people
We as priests of Jesus Christ are a different breed.
We do not tell our "holy nation" what to do.
We don't have a holy nation.
None of us do.
WHHHHAAAT??
WHO
told you this??

On Pentecost, you see Jews from ALL over the world converging on Jerusalem (Acts 2:12) to observe their duties under the Law.
ALL Jews were to observe the Law.
You can't take everything in the Old Testament and make it a way of life for New Testament Christians.
Everything in the Old Testament is a lesson for us but not all of it is for practical use today.
This statement is nonsense.

As St. Augustine so wisely said:
"The New Testament lies hidden in the Old Testament - and the Old is revealed in the New."

I can ALWAYS count on you to say the WRONG thing.
I can say this for you, Rollo - you never disappoint . . .
 

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Well, thank goodness anyone with a 3D printer can now print up a gun - the more gun owners the better right Russian compromised NRA?
 

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Yes, in 1947AD they converged and now the Lord is judging them for the last time.

In my view of things
wouldn't that be punishing the son for the father's sins?
i don't consider that place over there "Israel" at all tbh
it's a counterfeit for the world, and all of the believers in it
 
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"
Biblical Israel was never a gene pool but always a school of thought. It was never a local effort but always a global one. Grafted on the Canaanite schools of Salem (Genesis 14:18) and Mamre (13:18), and having absorbed all the wealth and women of Shechem (34:29) it was formed from tributaries ranging from Babylon (Abraham, Sarah), Assyria (Haran) to Egypt (Moses; also see Exodus 12:35-36) and from Midian in Arabia (Jethro) to Jericho (Rahab), Moab (Ruth), the Hittites (Uriah and Bathsheba) and a further influx of people from all over: 32,000 Midianite virgins (Numbers 31:18 and 31:35), a certain "mixed multitude" (Exodus 12:38) and countless others (Deuteronomy 20:14, Exodus 20:10). Hence the Lord could say of Israel: "Your origin and your birth are from the land of the Canaanite, your father was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite" (Ezekiel 16:3). Even Judah's international character lasted well until Roman times (Acts 2:9-11, 8:27)..." http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Mary.html#.W1jhudJKiUl
 

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Now children carry bulletproof backpacks to school. They are selling quick by underarmour which means not all kids parents can afford them...even if they work. Where are we headed?
 

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@VictoryinJesus Where are we headed?

Toward the culmination and restoration of all things...
Acts 3:21 ..."whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time."
 
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@VictoryinJesus Where are we headed?

Toward the culmination and restoration of all things...
Acts 3:21 ..."whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time."

It is Christian culture that interprets the destruction of Western Civilization as the restoration of all things. I think it is a dangerous practice of fatalism, but that is just me apparently
 

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Well, thank goodness anyone with a 3D printer can now print up a gun - the more gun owners the better right Russian compromised NRA?
Why aren't you complaining that anybody can drive a vehicle into a crown and kill multiple people at a time?
Should knives ALSO be banned?? There have been MANY terrorist knife attacks in the US, UK and beyond. How about baseball bats or screwdrivers or razor blades or rat poison??

Get a grip. on reality. NO gun has ever killed anybody - just as no car or truck or knife has. They are inanimate objects that are wielded by people.

PEOPLE kill. They simply USE these instruments to do their killing - and will continue to use whatever they can as long as evil exists . . .
 

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Why aren't you complaining that anybody can drive a vehicle into a crowd and kill multiple people at a time?
Exactly. This seems to have become the weapon of choice by many Islamic terrorists over the last few years.

Gun control is another blatant attempt to prevent ordinary citizens from protecting themselves against evil doers and evil governments. Where there are no gun controls, the citizens are safer and the criminals stay away.
 
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A Christian is one that uses things differently than others. We must divorce the gun from it's evil purpose...that of maiming people and taking life. I personally have a number of firearms that I have used for things like hunting, target shooting, and historical re-enactments. But I would never think of hurting anyone with these guns. No more so than using a bowling ball to hit somebody with. So then the first step is to not think of guns as something to kill people with.

In Canada there is far less tendency to see firearms as a self-defense option. Besides the fact that guns and ammo must be under lock and key...and separated from each other....this makes using firearms in any other way than a pre-planned outing to the range a non-starter. They are for sport only. The absence of human shaped targets here in Canada says a lot about this. When I see that in the US even civilian gun clubs use human shaped targets...it is very telling. It is desensitizing. At the club I once belonged to...any target shape, whether human or animal...was strictly forbidden. It was about getting good scores...competing for accuracy. That's the sport that attracted my wife and I.

Getting back to the faith...Christians are not to contemplate let alone actually hurting others. Jesus said...I have not come to take life but to give it.

For some, guns mean power. But Christianity is anti power. It is a renunciation of power. Unfortunately it seems that few can see the Christian faith without the added baggage of modern nationalistic culture. I know that America has added in the Christian faith (as an ideology) to it's mythology in the bid to unite the people around something that serves the national identity. This is NOT the purpose of the coming of Christ. It is a subversion of the faith of Christ. A Christian must learn to have all things submit to the faith of Christ....not the other way around.
 

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Do what? Who said? :eek:

How can you miss this basic aspect of Jesus? :eek:

Jesus told us to resist not evil....love our enemies...bless not curse...forgive.....etc

The Christian way is not according to power in this world. The power that we move in comes from heaven. The weapons of OUR (disciples of Christ) warfare are not according to human means. Christianity IS a MEANS...not just an end.
 

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="Episkopos, post: 484892, member: 3944"]A Christian is one that uses things differently than others. We must divorce the gun from it's evil purpose...that of maiming people and taking life. I personally have a number of firearms that I have used for things like hunting, target shooting, and historical re-enactments. But I would never think of hurting anyone with these guns. No more so than using a bowling ball to hit somebody with. So then the first step is to not think of guns as something to kill people with.

Guns do not have an evil purpose. They are a tool and like most tools they can kill someone. And they can save lives.

In Canada there is far less tendency to see firearms as a self-defense option. Besides the fact that guns and ammo must be under lock and key...and separated from each other....this makes using firearms in any other way than a pre-planned outing to the range a non-starter. They are for sport only. The absence of human shaped targets here in Canada says a lot about this. When I see that in the US even civilian gun clubs use human shaped targets...it is very telling. It is desensitizing. At the club I once belonged to...any target shape, whether human or animal...was strictly forbidden. It was about getting good scores...competing for accuracy. That's the sport that attracted my wife and I.

How do you know that is true?.

And if true what does that say about the people of Canada?

I was an NRA instructor, a national pistol coach and coach to a youth Olympic style air pistol team I created that went all the way to international medals. Competitive shooting is the safest sport there is. Cheerleading is at the top of the heap for injuries.

And remember, Canada has an extremely tiny military. They depend on the US for protection.

What about other forms of violence. England severely cracked down on guns, so gun deaths decreased but knife deaths skyrocketed.

Cities in the US with the strictest gun controls have the highest gun violence rates.

Canada is a far more sparsely populated country.

They have far more anti-Christian laws.
Anti-Christian laws in Canada at DuckDuckGo

They have far stricter immigration policies than the US does. And yet Islamic terrorists have staged attacks.

I don't know any other way to put it, but Canada's Prime Minister is a real piece of work.

My whole point is you have to do your total homework before jumping to conclusions.

Getting back to the faith...Christians are not to contemplate let alone actually hurting others. Jesus said...I have not come to take life but to give it.

The unjustified taking of a life should be abhorrent to Christians.

That includes abortion.

But self-defense is not. Nor is taking of a life as a soldiers or police.

For some, guns mean power. But Christianity is anti power. It is a renunciation of power. Unfortunately it seems that few can see the Christian faith without the added baggage of modern nationalistic culture. I know that America has added in the Christian faith (as an ideology) to it's mythology in the bid to unite the people around something that serves the national identity. This is NOT the purpose of the coming of Christ. It is a subversion of the faith of Christ. A Christian must learn to have all things submit to the faith of Christ....not the other way around.

Nationalism has always been here, from Israel forward, and God and Christ never condemned it.

Mythology? This country was founded on seeking religious freedom.

The Tories were opposed and moved to Canada to remain loyal to the monarchy.

Many in Québec speak French and a number of efforts have been made to create a separate country.

In the Bible God judges nation according to their relationship with God.

No government equals anarchy. Anarchy equals death and Satan.

The Bible quite clearly says render unto God what is his and unto Caesar what is his. That is a clear recognition by God of government.

In fact the Bible says God appoints national Leaders.