If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

brakelite · Aug 3, 2018

Philip James said:
Shall I take that as a 'no you cant identify this community' or 'no you cant demonstrate that it is an apostolic community?

There is within Christianity great ignorance regarding Christian history in nations outside of those presided over by Rome. In Europe, the RCC was the only shop in town unless you wanted to front up to the inquisitive mafia. RCC apologists like to cite Jesus words regarding the lack of power of the gates of hell to overcome the church, directing that exclusively to Rome, not accepting that the gospel in those first centuries went to every nation tongue and people, according to Jesus personal instructions. The gospel therefore found its way to China, Japan, and the Philipines and every nation in between within a few centuries, as well as to Africa. Did Jesus' promise regarding the gates of hell fail with regards the thousands of churches that were established in those nations? And what of the Christian communities that existed on Rome's doorstep who rejected Papal authority...did Jesus fail them? Or was there always a remnant who never bowed their knees to Baal? Note, Jesus never promised that an apostate church would not exalt itself in usurping His name. But that His name would never be completely abandoned. And His name has never been completely abandoned. There has always been someone...whether individuals or communities...who have remained faithful to Him.

bbyrd009 · Aug 3, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
Demons are not humans bbyrd

are you sure, Heb?

don't bet yur life on this one either, k?
know where the word "scapegoat" comes from?

brakelite · Aug 3, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
are you sure, Heb?

don't bet yur life on this one either, k?
know where the word "scapegoat" comes from?

I'm sure. I have met them, many times and many times too often. Both as themselves and in people. Manifesting in different ways but always consistent in their opposition and hatred of (Christ in) me and all I stand for.

Heb 13:8 · Aug 3, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
are you sure, Heb?

don't bet yur life on this one either, k?
know where the word "scapegoat" comes from?

Ask yoursel what the difference in demons believing and Abraham believing.

James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

bbyrd009 · Aug 3, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
Ask yoursel what the difference in demons believing and Abraham believing.

Heb you are quoting me but not responding to the quote here wadr, but to respond to this parallel convo, i would say "none." There is no difference. Which is why the Bible verse imo. And if you tell me the diff is Faith, then we have some other passages that cover this, that wadr you do not seem to want to respond to either

so if you would why don't you tell us what the v means in light of your understanding of any difference, where beliefs are concerned
and we can go from there?

bbyrd009 · Aug 3, 2018

brakelite said:
I'm sure. I have met them, many times and many times too often. Both as themselves and in people. Manifesting in different ways but always consistent in their opposition and hatred of (Christ in) me and all I stand for.

ah, i'd be curious to hear a testimony about them manifesting as "themselves." I have no experience or analogue for this, so maybe the testimony will help. No ppl were involved?

bbyrd009 · Aug 3, 2018

(wherein no scapegoats will be discussed today i guess)

Heb 13:8 · Aug 3, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
Heb you are quoting me but not responding to the quote here wadr, but to respond to this parallel convo, i would say "none." There is no difference. Which is why the Bible verse imo. And if you tell me the diff is Faith, then we have some other passages that cover this, that wadr you do not seem to want to respond to either

so if you would why don't you tell us what the v means in light of your understanding of any difference, where beliefs are concerned
and we can go from there?

Demons believe in one God, but Abraham believed in God.

bbyrd009 · Aug 3, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
Demons believe in one God, but Abraham believed in God.

can you Quote this "Abraham believed in God" Heb? Not in English? From the Lex iow?

Heb 13:8 · Aug 3, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
can you Quote this "Abraham believed in God" Heb? Not in English? From the Lex iow?

Yeah, just go to biblehub, it's in the Greek in verse 19, 23.

GodsGrace · Aug 3, 2018

brakelite said:
@GodsGrace Would the Protestant unite with the Catholic church, or the priest who disagrees with it?

I'm not sure if you mean single persons or the church.
I know catholics that have become protestant and protestants that have become catholic. Life can take us in different directions.

I don't believe the Protestant church could ever agree with the Catholic church and V V. There's just too much difference. In 1999 the Catholic church and the Lutheran church signed an agreement stating that the protest was over because they came to an agreement on Justification by faith alone. The CC always believed in that anyway...the big difference is in ongoing justification and I don't see any change in that in the CC.

I don't see how the CC could ever make a change regarding the Eucharist and confession. Those are two big stumbling blocks. We all love to talk about Mary, but that could be handled...already Catholics are told not to worship Mary.

What do you think?

Marymog · Aug 3, 2018

GodsGrace said:
I agree with you.
But I also believe that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I don't know of a solution...

The Apostles had absolute power. I don't see any signs in scripture of them being corrupted. Maybe I missed it.

Now, instead of absolute power of ONE CHURCH, we have 1,000's of churches who believe they have absolute power with all claiming to have been enlightened by The Holy Spirit.

Do you believe The Church is corrupted?

Mary

Marymog · Aug 3, 2018

Phoneman777 said:
I'm not referring exclusively to the Protestants of the 16th century as the "true church" - there have always been people who opposed error and stood for truth, going all the way back to Abel. And it has always been these that God has considered "His church", not apostates who are so blinded with insanity that they think they can lift up their voices and bargain with God as to which way worship will be rendered, when all they have to bargain with is a lost soul.

Please, you're embarrassing yourself. I said the PAPACY - not the Catholic church - began in 538 A.D., which is did.

Fascinating. God considers anyone that opposes error and stands for truth to be members of "His Church"????

I guess that means the Catholic Church is His Church since it has been doing this for 2,000 years....or 1,500 years or whatever YOUR history book tells you when the Catholic Church started.

Silly boy....You can't have a Catholic Church without a Pope. They are one in the same.

You REALLY have no clue about your Christian History?? Do you??? I'm not even talking about Catholic History....I mean the History of Christianity.

You are right. I am embarrassed.....for you.

Mary

Marymog · Aug 3, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
ah, what single authority? Surely you're not trying to make Rome fit in there? Rome somehow has the authority to interpret the Bible?

I'm not sure how you would interpret "hidden from the wise" Mary, if not "your institutional leaders will not be able to read this?" anyway, but are you hearing yourself here?

I know the wolves will rush in as soon as I leave, not sparing the flock

If "Rome" (The Church) doesn't have the authority to PROPERLY interpret scripture then please do tell me.....Who does???

Who decides who the wolves and the sheep are???? Who decides who "the wise" are?????

From whom did you get this bible you keep quoting from young man???

Mary

Marymog · Aug 3, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
imo that was done when ppl attempted to "establish a church," but as i said i wouldn't expect you to feel any different really.
But this is the Christian pov, Mary; why do you want to be here if that is going to offend you?
i'm not interested in trying to offend you, and tbh i don't think most other Protestants are either,
but we are not ever going to accept the Whore's Interpretation Mary, so i gotta ask what being here does for you?

wadr it comes across as if you are starving for Christ but cannot get Any where you come from or something, wadr, so you come here to get some yet you want to school us about how to do it like they do it where there is none or something. And now you want to front like i have offended you, when it is you that is really offending, Mary.

So my apologies if i hurt your feelings, ok, it was not intentional, but as long as you ID as a Catholic don't expect it to stop ok.
i mean put me on ignore or something, wouldn't that be better than letting me steal your peace?

bc until you can envision forgiving the pope for his sins, Mary, you don't even know what "Christianity" means, ok?
i mean can you even contemplate doing that?
then how do you expect to agree with Protestants, who will never acknowledge or respect your usurper king?

Hi contradiction009,

Your not interested in trying to offend me and then a few words later refer to my Church as a "Whore".

You apologize for hurting my feelings and then say don't expect it to stop.

Hmmmmm......Either you are a liar or I am misunderstanding you. Which is it???

Mary

PS....I don't have the power to forgive sins. Do you???

Triumph1300 · Aug 3, 2018

Marymog said:
I'm not even talking about Catholic History....I mean the History of Christianity.

So, you mean to say History of Christianity and Catholic History are two different things?
You might be right.

Marymog · Aug 3, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
do yourself a favor and go find the true answer here Mary; what they try to teach us in school is ridiculous claptrap ok, a nine year old could refute it. Roman Pax was misery for everyone but the .1%, just like US Pax is

and i wish you the best, ok?

Maybe a nine year old could, but you didn't.

Are you younger than nine???

Curious Mary

Triumph1300 · Aug 3, 2018

Marymog said:
If "Rome" (The Church) doesn't have the authority to PROPERLY interpret scripture then please do tell me.....Who does???

Who decides who the wolves and the sheep are???? Who decides who "the wise" are?????

The Holy Spirit decides.

Marymog · Aug 3, 2018

Triumph1300 said:
So, you mean to say History of Christianity and Catholic History are two different things?
You might be right.

Yes....You are smarter than I thought and STILL trolling me I see.

Let me help you out: Catholic History goes back 2,000 years.

Protestant history goes back 500 years.

See how that works? They are separated by 1,500 years so they have "two different" history's.

Your welcome.....stalker

Mary

Marymog · Aug 3, 2018

Triumph1300 said:
The Holy Spirit decides.

I need to get an internet protection order....I see your still stalking me.

I know you love me. If you love something set it free. If it comes back....well, you know the rest...

Did the Holy Spirit decide if Catholics are wolves or sheep?

(I doubt I will get a serious answer but it's worth a try)

Mary

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