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Jane_Doe22

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No, it was by email (privately, suggested by yourself by personal board message), and you stopped the conversation (to which I acquiesed).

Here is where I (account now banned, like all the others I used to have there, lost count by now) engaged in conversation with you (specifically), and it went to email -

Here is where I attempted discussion with a Jew about Prophecy, and the LDS interrupted (and also didn't answer me) -

finally, what I got in return from that particular LDS was:

"... I feel sorry for you.

I feel sorry for you because the god you worship is a monster, try ever which to condemn his children.

The God I worship is a loving kind Father always reaching out to save his children. ..." [User: WithWonderingAwe]
- https://www.christianforums.com/thr...-duvduv-about-prophecy.8061293/#post-72601239
I'm really not interested in literally repeating a conversation we have already had. That's not just a good use for either of our time.
 

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I'm really not interested in literally repeating a conversation we have already had. That's not just a good use for either of our time.
LDS claim to keep the Ten Commandments of God (Exodus 20:1-17), but they have their own set of law (self-righteousness), when it comes to the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) and thus, Isaiah 8:20:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
 

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...Was not the 10 Commandments written by God's own hand?
Jesus wrote the Ten Commandments by the Holy Ghost.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deuteronomy 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.​

The same Jesus by the Holy Ghost that writes the exact same Law (the Ten Commandments; Genesis 26:5; Exodus 16:4; Exodus 16:28; 2 Chronicles 6:16; Psalms 78:1; Psalms 89:30; Proverbs 3:1; Proverbs 4:2; Proverbs 7:2; Jeremiah 6:19; Jeremiah 9:13; Jeremiah 16:11; Jeremiah 26:4; Jeremiah 44:10; Ezekiel 22:26; Hosea 8:1; Hosea 8:12; Hebrews 8:10; Hebrews 10:16) upon the heart:

2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Isaiah 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Ezekiel 36:22-29; Ezekiel 37:26-28; Hebrews 8:8-13; Hebrews 10:16 and so on.​
 
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I am a member of, the remnant foretold in prophecy (Revelation 10:1-11; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:6-12), the last Elijah messengers, the second/third Advent Heralds, Seventh-day Adventist movement.

OK, I have read the verses you placed, And this is what make's your Denomination a remnant! So could there be any other souls out there that might also be a remnant, outside of your denomination? Revelation 14:12 - Here is the Patience of the Saint's,Here are those that Keep the Commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus Christ! I almost always have a problem when a group kinda states that they are the only one's!
I am not saying you have declared this, so don't get me wrong! So is there any others out there that could be as you believe, a remnant?
 
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OK, I have read the verses you placed
Good. A place to begin.

And this is what make's your Denomination
We, who are members of the Seventh-day Adventist movement (though having a name (thus 'denominated' (of name) in that sense only), inspired of by God) are not a 'denomination' with a creed, but rather we are a prophetic movement with a special mission prophesied in scripture. Any person simply taking the name 'Seventh-day Adventist' does not necessarily make them one or true. There are many 'Babylonians' in 'Jerusalem' (who will go out from us in several ways, some of whom already have), and many of 'Israel' (Jesus) in 'Babylon' at the moment (which will come out and join us in the time to come; Revelation 18:1-5, the repetition of Revelation 14:8). There is a state of flux presently.

a remnant!
Not "a remnant". "The" remnant. It is identified with specific criteria in scripture, only a few scriptures were given, and there is many more. There is only one such body (Seventh-day Adventist movement, made up of all peoples, from all faiths (having come out of those false systems, into the body which keeps the commandments of God and has the faith of Jesus Christ and the testimony of Jesus Christ, which is the spirit of prophecy (Revelation 19:10)), though with many members, and much of whom are presently in many other 'faiths' (Harlot daughters and Mother of Revelation 17, systems of theology) at the moment. There is Elijah, and 7,000 that haven't bowed the knee to Baal, and many 'Samaritans' (like the woman at the well) about to join with us.

So could there be any other souls out there that might also be a remnant
"a remnant", no. Part of "the" remnant, yes. Many are still in darkness, though serve God with what they know in the light that they have, and are ignorant yet still of their high calling, but when the light comes to them, they will come to it.

outside of your denomination?
Most of "the" members of the remnant is presently in 'Babylon' and her daughters. The call is even now swelling, and those loyal to Christ, will come out, and join the one body.

Revelation 14:12 - Here is the Patience of the Saint's,Here are those that Keep the Commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus Christ!
There is only one such body.

I almost always have a problem when a group kinda states that they are the only one's!
There is only one true body, one truth (and every group claims it, but only one group meets the criteria in scripture):

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.​

Relativism is of the devil.

I am not saying you have declared this, so don't get me wrong!
I do not expect you to believe me based upon a single post. I expect you to test according to the criteria set by scripture.

So is there any others out there that could be as you believe, a remnant?
"a remnant", no. Part of "the" remnant, yes, though the majority do not understand their high calling yet and many have erroneous beliefs (which they will have to give up).
 
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Jesus wrote the Ten Commandments by the Holy Ghost.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deuteronomy 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.​

The same Jesus by the Holy Ghost that writes the exact same Law (the Ten Commandments; Genesis 26:5; Exodus 16:4; Exodus 16:28; 2 Chronicles 6:16; Psalms 78:1; Psalms 89:30; Proverbs 3:1; Proverbs 4:2; Proverbs 7:2; Jeremiah 6:19; Jeremiah 9:13; Jeremiah 16:11; Jeremiah 26:4; Jeremiah 44:10; Ezekiel 22:26; Hosea 8:1; Hosea 8:12; Hebrews 8:10; Hebrews 10:16) upon the heart:

2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Isaiah 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Ezekiel 36:22-29; Ezekiel 37:26-28; Hebrews 8:8-13; Hebrews 10:16 and so on.​
"Deuteronomy 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly. <--- so since Jesus was quoting the big 10, how are these things "quoted" from Jesus if they were not "written down first? And...written with Gods own finger...I am not a scholar and do not need to be, I study the scripture allowing The Holy Spirit to guide and teach me Truth.
I am a simple person, and am so very happy that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is just that-simple. So, God Bless you HBE-I am not one to go head to head from post to post...I enjoy the fellowship I am getting on this board and am also learning many things...as the Spirit leads me.
God Bless!
-nancy
 
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What about the question about where Jesus was quoting from "in the law" (Matthew 22:36,37-40) and its context, which you raised? Surely the question was not long, nor complicated, right?
But often your answers, when you bother to answer, are long to the extreme. You are fishing here, but early on the net breaks, while later on it may be able to bear the weight.
 
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Yeah, but I quoted official LDS sources on the subject. I received no answer about their own sources that deals with those sources (and was even banned from an LDS forum for asking), then (other forum) or now. I am not looking to railroad LDS or anyone else. I am interested in truth and that takes prayerful "study", and I read those things produced by other faiths so that I know what they believe, or claim to believe:

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.​
"And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh." Ecc 12:12
 

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I don't know much about Mormons.
I did read a little on it but did not further look into it.
I know some of them, customers of my business.
Always paid their bills in time and never asked for a discount.

I experienced Christian clients who were always nagging us the get the price down.
When they found out we were Christians, they wanted things or free.
A Baptist pastor would be at the counter and treated my sales clerks like garbage.

One exemption was a Pentecostal Pastor who would bless staff with tips.
I understand your feeling on this. When I first started working for Social Security I had to get an unlisted phone number at home because people called me at all hours regarding their Social Security business. Even then anyone in our church group that knew who I was and where I worked expected and even demanded preferential treatment from me. I really did not mind... except that it got to the point where I had no personal time or life where they would not regularly call me on the phone or knock on my door. I was always a soft touch and slow to anger, but then my wife began to run interference. She answered all phone calls at home [no cell phones in those days] and found out exactly what the person wanted before even considering calling me to the phone. If it was Social Security business she sent them packing. She is not a soft touch and can be quite blunt... and this is since she met the Lord. Prior to that... never mind...

Many of my Christian "friends" had to be avoided regularly. Until I retired, we were not to give our phone to Christians we knew even slightly. Hmmm... and I understand how Ghandi felt about "Christians" and why.
 

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I understand your feeling on this. When I first started working for Social Security I had to get an unlisted phone number at home because people called me at all hours regarding their Social Security business. Even then anyone in our church group that knew who I was and where I worked expected and even demanded preferential treatment from me. I really did not mind... except that it got to the point where I had no personal time or life where they would not regularly call me on the phone or knock on my door. I was always a soft touch and slow to anger, but then my wife began to run interference. She answered all phone calls at home [no cell phones in those days] and found out exactly what the person wanted before even considering calling me to the phone. If it was Social Security business she sent them packing. She is not a soft touch and can be quite blunt... and this is since she met the Lord. Prior to that... never mind...

Many of my Christian "friends" had to be avoided regularly. Until I retired, we were not to give our phone to Christians we knew even slightly. Hmmm... and I understand how Ghandi felt about "Christians" and why.
Way to go Mrs Amadeus!
 
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I understand your feeling on this. When I first started working for Social Security I had to get an unlisted phone number at home because people called me at all hours regarding their Social Security business. Even then anyone in our church group that knew who I was and where I worked expected and even demanded preferential treatment from me. I really did not mind... except that it got to the point where I had no personal time or life where they would not regularly call me on the phone or knock on my door. I was always a soft touch and slow to anger, but then my wife began to run interference. She answered all phone calls at home [no cell phones in those days] and found out exactly what the person wanted before even considering calling me to the phone. If it was Social Security business she sent them packing. She is not a soft touch and can be quite blunt... and this is since she met the Lord. Prior to that... never mind...

Many of my Christian "friends" had to be avoided regularly. Until I retired, we were not to give our phone to Christians we knew even slightly. Hmmm... and I understand how Ghandi felt about "Christians" and why.

Lol! Good and interesting post...you and your wife seem to compliment each other well!
 
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Lol! Good and interesting post...you and your wife seem to compliment each other well!
Yes, without her I would probably be lost and still OF the world. God gave her to me so that we could both belong to Him. 46 years last month.
 
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Yes, without her I would probably be lost and still OF the world. God gave her to me so that we could both belong to Him. 46 years last month.

Ours is 57 years today!! It seems to feel like 10 years...fifteen at most!!
But 57 ? Never!! We are almost at the end of the road now..not much road head, and lots of road behind. But, it has all been good...even that which did not appear good at the time...we are the better for it.
.........H
 

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Ours is 57 years today!! It seems to feel like 10 years...fifteen at most!!
But 57 ? Never!! We are almost at the end of the road now..not much road head, and lots of road behind. But, it has all been good...even that which did not appear good at the time...we are the better for it.
.........H
Happiest of anniversaries to you and your husband...long time ♥
 

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Ours is 57 years today!! It seems to feel like 10 years...fifteen at most!!
But 57 ? Never!! We are almost at the end of the road now..not much road head, and lots of road behind. But, it has all been good...even that which did not appear good at the time...we are the better for it.
.........H
CONGRAT!!!!!
 
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There are a few places left to pierce my heart if you so desire ...

I do not remember the simple question that I had. It was on one of your threads within the past few days which I am unable to easily now find myself. You may have overlooked it, but you definitely did not respond at all. Have you overdone it? Are you overwhelmed? I have been in that place myself.
Subjective.
Certainly, but it doesn't change the fact that the lengthy complex posts push many people away. That certainly should not be your purpose. Jesus never pushed children away and rebuked his followers when they did. Just because a person is a physical adult does not mean he may not really be a child who is hungry and thirsty after the righteousness of God. How subjective was Jesus?

As "ernie" once said, "Here, fishy, fishy, fishy ..."

I have only known of two "ernies" and one you certainly would not know. So unless your reference is to Ernie Kovax all I can say is that your bait is inappropriate for probably many or even most who swim these waters.
 
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[QUOTE="amadeus, post: 427407, member: 924" ] Certainly, but it doesn't change the fact that the lengthy complex posts push many people away.
.... your bait is inappropriate for probably many or even most who swim these waters
.[/QUOTE]

Some of us have said this a number of times to him . We have told him ...
....but obviously he is on some agenda which doesn't matter to him whether his long Files get read or not.
If he cared, he'd change...so one concludes that he does not care. :(
 

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Ours is 57 years today!! It seems to feel like 10 years...fifteen at most!!
But 57 ? Never!! We are almost at the end of the road now..not much road head, and lots of road behind. But, it has all been good...even that which did not appear good at the time...we are the better for it.
.........H
Happy anniversary Helen. Send my best to your other half as well!
 
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