How To Understand 1 Corinthians 14th Chapter

JesusIsFaithful · Aug 10, 2018

There is a need for leaning on His wisdom as even Peter admits Paul's writings are hard to understand, but he points out how those who will wrest Paul's words as well as the rest of scripture, because they are falling by the error of the wicked from their own steadfastness.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

So pray normally to Jesus in asking Him for help in understanding Paul's words. We start in 1 Corinthians 12th chapter for understanding the premise from which Paul is writing from in the 14th chapter. That means, he will not be writing the opposite in the 14th chapter.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This is how believers are falling by the error of the wicked when they think they can get God's gift of tongues by seeking a baptism with the Holy Ghost apart from salvation. That verse above sets the premise for God's gifts in that entire chapter that none of the gifts are gained by having another drink of the One Spirit so why single out tongues as if it does? You do not see any other calling to receive the Holy Spirit by any other gift, do you? You should discern that.

1 Corinthians 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

That is Paul setting another premise about God's gifts in that they are to profit the body of the believers and not individual believers; that means tongues cannot be for private use. Period.

He explains how the Holy Spirit will operate those gifts from within the believers in that assembly.

1 Corinthians 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

At no time in that chapter did Paul say one gift can be used for the individual benefit. Tongues will be followed by the interpretation of that tongue from another believer in the assembly.

Paul did go further by explaining that believer can NOT use a gift for private benefit because that would be like saying they have no need of someone else in the body.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.....18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

So for all those who cannot seem to be reading 1 Corinthians 14th chapter rightly as if Paul is teaching tongues are for private use, what has Paul just written in 1 Corinthians 12th chapter? God's gift of tongues are NOT for private use.

So what is Paul really saying in the 14th chapter, especially in verse 2 ? Read it in context;

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

See how the topic is for believers to desire spiritual gifts, BUT Paul is exhorting them to prophesy? The following verses is Paul hard to read attempts in explaining why to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts by comparing prophesy against tongues.

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

So Paul is trying to compare tongues by itself against prophesy for why prophesy is better gift to seek after because prophesy edifies the church whereas tongues have to be interpreted.

Believers are wresting his words in verse 2 & 4 as if he is opposing himself in showing how tongues are so cool all by itself. Paul is not doing that when he is trying to get believers to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts, especially tongues. It is a poor comparison, but in context of the message and with the understanding that the reader has read 12th chapter, Paul is trying to convey a fact that tongues is not a stand alone gift.

That same tongue, Paul continues to testify through out chapter 14 that it has to come with interpretation, because Paul says it is unfruitful to himself as a tongue speaker unless someone else interprets it for Paul. That is why Paul says tongue speakers should pray that another interpret the tongue being manifested in them so they can understand it and that tongue be fruitful to them as a tongue speaker.

If tongue speakers can claim they can interpret their own tongues privately, then again, they are opposing Paul's words that no one can say they have no need of any other member of the body of Christ. They are also ignoring the operation of the Holy Spirit in dividing the gifts severally as He wills in the body.

Since tongues with interpretation is for edification, then there is no way tongues can be used for private use when all the Lord has to do is speak to that believer through His words that can be understood by the believer as in prophesying to that believer.

What? Have we forgotten how the Lord spoke directly to people in the O.T.? Jesus spoke directly to the people in the N.T. So why would any one believe God would go around in circles, using tongues to speak to that individual believer when He can do it directly?

To be continued... yeah.. I know.... may God lead you to keep reading for your edification and discernment about God's gift of tongues from what is NOT God's gift of tongues....

Willie T · Aug 10, 2018

Too bad you dismiss so much that could be yours.

JesusIsFaithful · Aug 10, 2018

But we keep going back to verses 2 & 4 of chapter 14 as if nothing else Paul has written matters.

Okay, let's compare some other hard sayings of Paul's.

1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

Tongue speakers and this who defend them, would quote this section out of the verses "forbid not to speak in tongues" as some tongue speakers use that as an excuse to keep putting on a show during church service, hoping nobody noticed how Paul closed entirely.

Paul cited several key points from chapter 14 in his closing since he is using "wherefore" to signify ending that topic in that chapter.

#1 Covet to prophesy ( because tongues is not a stand alone gift )

#2 Forbid not to speak in tongues ( and before tongues for private use run with it like a football )

#3 Let all things be done decently and in order.

Now some believers are going to be obtuse and just focus on #2. Okay then how come there is a verse where Paul did forbid speaking in tongues?

1 Corinthians 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

So how can you rationalize the two verses? Paul was pointing out that if there is no interpreter, that person speaking is just a foreigner speaking out of turn and that is why he can be told to be silent in the church. You say huh? Read the prior verse together with that verse above.

1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

When a foreign visitor comes to that church, and he sees that in verse 27, he may just think people are allowed to stand up and say something or ask questions for why there is no interpretation coming. He is speaking out of turn for why he is to be made silent BECAUSE "he speaks to himself and he speaks to God". What does that mean? It means he understands what he is saying as God does. He is not actually being allowed to speak to himself and to God in the assembly when he is to be made silent. Paul is explaining why he is being made to be silent because he is a foreigner as he understands what he is saying as God does too. That is the way Paul talked in his day for differentiating tongues by its speaking to as who understands it; not that he is actually speaking to that person like to himself and to God.

Knowing that, we read verses 2 & 4 in a new light.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

So no man understand the one speaking with God's gift of tongues, but God does, even though the man is speaking in mysteries; NOT to God , but to men around him hearing him speak in God's gift of tongues. This is part of Paul's comparison for why prophesy is better than tongues as a gift.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

Verse 4 is another hard saying, but the point here was to get believers to covet to prophesy; he was still trying to compare the two gifts by showing how prophesy edifies the assembly, but God's gift of tongues does not edify the assembly unless interpreted. I believe Paul's poor attempt of comparing the real God's gift of tongues by itself was to show that it can be of edification rather than that the tongue speaker is being actually edified. We know that to be true because Paul goes on speaking about that same tongue as needing interpretation as proven in the first post of the OP.

So Peter admits that Paul's writings are hard to read, but those who would use tongues for private use, do so by ignoring the premise for the use of the gifts are not for private use in 1 Corinthians 12th chapter as well as none of those gifts are gained by having another drink of the One Spirit.

To insist that tongues can be for private use is to disregard everything else Paul has written, thus wresting scriptures out of context for supporting the error of the wicked that have fallen from their steadfastness by no longer holding the traditions of having drunk of the one drink of the One Spirit taught of us, but having another drink in order to get that tongues for private use.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.....18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

Can a believer say they can use tongues for private use for all those supposed benefits and not be seen as saying verse 21 above? I'd say no.

JesusIsFaithful · Aug 10, 2018

Willie T said:
Too bad you dismiss so much that could be yours.

My dear brother,

It is too bad you dismiss the faith in Jesus Christ and the traditions taught of us to get that kind of tongue which never comes with interpretation.

I would say tongues without interpretation is confusion when God prophesied what tongues were for, and yet you guys used that extra supernatural encounter as you are now hyping it for me to seek after by that sign of tongues and yet tongues were never to serve as a sign to already saved believers for anything.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe........

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

I see no exception for any believer departing from the testimony we all are supposed to share in below.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.....18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

soul man · Aug 10, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
There is a need for leaning on His wisdom as even Peter admits Paul's writings are hard to understand, but he points out how those who will wrest Paul's words as well as the rest of scripture, because they are falling by the error of the wicked from their own steadfastness.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

So pray normally to Jesus in asking Him for help in understanding Paul's words. We start in 1 Corinthians 12th chapter for understanding the premise from which Paul is writing from in the 14th chapter. That means, he will not be writing the opposite in the 14th chapter.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This is how believers are falling by the error of the wicked when they think they can get God's gift of tongues by seeking a baptism with the Holy Ghost apart from salvation. That verse above sets the premise for God's gifts in that entire chapter that none of the gifts are gained by having another drink of the One Spirit so why single out tongues as if it does? You do not see any other calling to receive the Holy Spirit by any other gift, do you? You should discern that.

1 Corinthians 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

That is Paul setting another premise about God's gifts in that they are to profit the body of the believers and not individual believers; that means tongues cannot be for private use. Period.

He explains how the Holy Spirit will operate those gifts from within the believers in that assembly.

1 Corinthians 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

At no time in that chapter did Paul say one gift can be used for the individual benefit. Tongues will be followed by the interpretation of that tongue from another believer in the assembly.

Paul did go further by explaining that believer can NOT use a gift for private benefit because that would be like saying they have no need of someone else in the body.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.....18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

So for all those who cannot seem to be reading 1 Corinthians 14th chapter rightly as if Paul is teaching tongues are for private use, what has Paul just written in 1 Corinthians 12th chapter? God's gift of tongues are NOT for private use.

So what is Paul really saying in the 14th chapter, especially in verse 2 ? Read it in context;

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

See how the topic is for believers to desire spiritual gifts, BUT Paul is exhorting them to prophesy? The following verses is Paul hard to read attempts in explaining why to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts by comparing prophesy against tongues.

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

So Paul is trying to compare tongues by itself against prophesy for why prophesy is better gift to seek after because prophesy edifies the church whereas tongues have to be interpreted.

Believers are wresting his words in verse 2 & 4 as if he is opposing himself in showing how tongues are so cool all by itself. Paul is not doing that when he is trying to get believers to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts, especially tongues. It is a poor comparison, but in context of the message and with the understanding that the reader has read 12th chapter, Paul is trying to convey a fact that tongues is not a stand alone gift.

That same tongue, Paul continues to testify through out chapter 14 that it has to come with interpretation, because Paul says it is unfruitful to himself as a tongue speaker unless someone else interprets it for Paul. That is why Paul says tongue speakers should pray that another interpret the tongue being manifested in them so they can understand it and that tongue be fruitful to them as a tongue speaker.

If tongue speakers can claim they can interpret their own tongues privately, then again, they are opposing Paul's words that no one can say they have no need of any other member of the body of Christ. They are also ignoring the operation of the Holy Spirit in dividing the gifts severally as He wills in the body.

Since tongues with interpretation is for edification, then there is no way tongues can be used for private use when all the Lord has to do is speak to that believer through His words that can be understood by the believer as in prophesying to that believer.

What? Have we forgotten how the Lord spoke directly to people in the O.T.? Jesus spoke directly to the people in the N.T. So why would any one believe God would go around in circles, using tongues to speak to that individual believer when He can do it directly?

To be continued... yeah.. I know.... may God lead you to keep reading for your edification and discernment about God's gift of tongues from what is NOT God's gift of tongues....

You may want to break up your discourse to 6 or 10 threads, most folks are just strumming through. Interested in what you have to say, just not the whole load at once, JS just saying.

Willie T · Aug 10, 2018

soul man said:
You may want to break up your discourse to 6 or 10 threads, most folks are just strumming through. Interested in what you have to say, just not the whole load at once, JS just saying.

He and several others here have never listened to that, and never will. They fancy themselves to be divine teachers of the rest of us people who aren't as blessed as they are, to be told all truths by The Holy Spirit.

JesusIsFaithful · Aug 10, 2018

soul man said:
You may want to break up your discourse to 6 or 10 threads, most folks are just strumming through. Interested in what you have to say, just not the whole load at once, JS just saying.

New members joining in, will not have seen those other 6 or 10 threads.

Funny how in more than 6 or 10 threads, someone will testify to their tongues for private use or some other supernatural phenomenon of a continual filling of the Holy Spirit apart from salvation which is the same rudiment by which they got their tongues for private use by.

And as in most christian forums, worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father and the Son is a statement of faith by which these supernatural phenomenons happens by, and any counter to that Nicene creed is a counter to that statement of faith for joining the forum and one can get banned from that forum.

But I am trusting the Lord Jesus Christ to let me know when He is not peradventuring any more in His ministry in calling the lost to repentance by narrowing the way to the straight gate by keeping their eyes on the Son because the Bridegroom will be coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ.

I trust Him to keep the souls of His saints, the foolish virgins being out in the market to get their oil, when they are too late for the Bridegroom.

JesusIsFaithful · Aug 10, 2018

Willie T said:
He and several others here have never listened to that, and never will. They fancy themselves to be divine teachers of the rest of us people who aren't as blessed as they are, to be told all truths by The Holy Spirit.

Actually, by testifying to another drink of the One Spirit by which you got tongues for private use by for all those assumed special benefits, you guys are coming off more as the ones that are blessed than the ones whom have not that other drink nor have spoken in tongues for private use. So...

Enoch111 · Aug 10, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
We start in 1 Corinthians 12th chapter for understanding the premise from which Paul is writing from in the 14th chapter.

Chapters 12 through 14 should be treated as one unit, and chapter 14 should be seen as a *corrective* chapter. There were some Christians at Corinth who were abusing spiritual gifts, and Paul had to correct this.

But let's face it. Those who are convinced that the sign gifts are for today will never give up that conviction. Those who believe that speaking in tongues is for all Christians, and evidence of being "Spirit-filled" will never give up that belief. And neither will those who believe that the sign gifts were for the apostolic period change their views.

The key to understanding the gift of tongues as being for the apostolic age is found in 1 Cor 14:21,22:

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

What do we learn from this?
1. God had already told Israel ("in the law it is written" is a reference to the OT) that they would be a rebellious and unbelieving people, and because of that tongues (supernatural speaking of real languages unknown to the Jews) would become a sign that God was the Author of the Gospel. Yet many would not believe. We see this fulfilled in Acts 2, where no doubt thousands of Jews were saved, but many still did not believe.

2. In the apostolic churches, there would always be a mixture of believers and unbelievers, as well as Jews and Gentiles. Tongues would still be a sign to unbelieving Jews in those assemblies.

3. Finally, since the gift of prophesy was active during that time, Paul reminded the Corinthians that prophesy always superseded tongues, and that he would rather speak 5 words of prophecy than 10,000 words in tongues.

JesusIsFaithful · Aug 10, 2018

Enoch111 said:
Chapters 12 through 14 should be treated as one unit, and chapter 14 should be seen as a *corrective* chapter. There were some Christians at Corinth who were abusing spiritual gifts, and Paul had to correct this.

With the love chapter in between the two, those astray fail to see how God would never do tongues halfway by not providing interpretation to the tongue speaker. So it is an act of God's love to provide that interpretation from another so that he would understand that tongue and be fruitful to him.

But let's face it. Those who are convinced that the sign gifts are for today will never give up that conviction. Those who believe that speaking in tongues is for all Christians, and evidence of being "Spirit-filled" will never give up that belief. And neither will those who believe that the sign gifts were for the apostolic period change their views.

It may very well be that way as those who depart from the testimony we are to be sharing by having another drink of the One Spirit in order to get that tongue for private use, but there is one questioning this right now and so do pray for that sister that the Lord is peradventuring to recover her from that snare of the devil.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.....26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

The key to understanding the gift of tongues as being for the apostolic age is found in 1 Cor 14:21,22:

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

What do we learn from this?
1. God had already told Israel ("in the law it is written" is a reference to the OT) that they would be a rebellious and unbelieving people, and because of that tongues (supernatural speaking of real languages unknown to the Jews) would become a sign that God was the Author of the Gospel. Yet many would not believe. We see this fulfilled in Acts 2, where no doubt thousands of Jews were saved, but many still did not believe.

I agree.

2. In the apostolic churches, there would always be a mixture of believers and unbelievers, as well as Jews and Gentiles. Tongues would still be a sign to unbelieving Jews in those assemblies.

It can also serve as a sign to unbelieving Gentiles too.

3. Finally, since the gift of prophesy was active during that time, Paul reminded the Corinthians that prophesy always superseded tongues, and that he would rather speak 5 words of prophecy than 10,000 words in tongues.

I know most wayward believers will always see 1 Corinthians 14th chapter as if Paul is hyping tongues as being the better gift to seek after for all those supposed benefits for private use, but that's what happens when they take verse 2 & 4 out of context of what Paul was trying to exhort otherwise. Failing to see his message per those two verses within the context of those 4 verses is them wanting tongues for private use to be of Him as well as ignoring the premise in the 12th chapter for how to correct those misreading the 14th chapter by.

As much as we are called to reason together, it is still on the Lord to cause the increase as only He can be peradventuring to recover some from the snare of the devil. Since it is a spiritual warfare, you & I need to pray for not only those that have gone astray, but for those babes in Christ not rooted in the word that would go after them.

Enoch111 · Aug 10, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
So it is an act of God's love to provide that interpretation from another so that he would understand that tongue and be fruitful to him.

All spiritual gifts were given for the edification of others, which is an act of Christian love.

JesusIsFaithful · Aug 10, 2018

Enoch111 said:
All spiritual gifts were given for the edification of others, which is an act of Christian love.

So when believers insist tongues can also be for private use, how does it not defer from that act of Christian love towards the body of believers?

Enoch111 · Aug 10, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
So when believers insist tongues can also be for private use, how does it not defer from that act of Christian love towards the body of believers?

Good question for those who have this belief. Something to seriously ponder.

Frank Lee · Aug 11, 2018

The know nothings are the experts. You should not worship the teachings of your denomination more than those of Jesus. Amen

No matter how many times bitter is called sweet it still tastes like gall. You don't understand the simplicity of the gifts of God and turn the scriptures to the deprivation of your own spiritual nourishment.

Professing to be wise and have understanding you only exhibit your lack of discernment. How can you cling to such denominational errors spewed forth by false prophets? What has Jesus said to you about these things?

Jesus promised that His sheep would know His voice. What then dies the voice of the shepherd say to you? PHDs and THDs do not a prophet make.

Abandon worship at the altars of men's denominations and turn to the word of God that is yet unsullied by the verbal grafitti of the unbelievers.

Christian is the biblical name given disciples. Not Baptist, Methodist, Episcopalian, Presbyterian or any other denominational creation of man. As a Christian you should discard all teaching that is contrary to the word of God.

Calling a thorny vine a grape vine will not cause it to produce fruit nor will prevent the thorns from wounding.

Jesus came to me in 1977, saved then baptized me in His Holy Spirit giving me the gift of tongues. He yet comes to those ignored by religion and gathers them Himself according to Ezekiel chapter 34. I'd never heard of this at all. The scant few denominational believers that spoke to me was only of joining their church and nothing of the love of God. I yet praise Him for saving me outside of men's denominations.

He comes to those entirely ignorant of Him and saves them from their sins, bypassing the denominations and traditions that deny the power of God.

There is never any of the love of God associated with the denial of God's wonderful gifts.

Abandon the altars of men and flee to the throne of God, believing the word exactly as written.

Denominational religion will not give you God's peace or power. There is no power for good in the denial of God's gifts.

Attempting to tell those that have received the biblical baptism in the Holy Spirit with accompanying gifts that they are in error is a teaching from dead denominational tradition.

How can you be shaken loose from the grip of false denominational teaching?

What has Jesus said to you? Because you stand against the word of God as it is written there is no life at all in your beliefs in the matter of spiritual gifts?

What does Jesus say? He will not contradict Himself.

JesusIsFaithful · Aug 11, 2018

Frank Lee said:
The know nothings are the experts. You should not worship the teachings of your denomination more than those of Jesus. Amen

No matter how many times bitter is called sweet it still tastes like gall. You don't understand the simplicity of the gifts of God and turn the scriptures to the deprivation of your own spiritual nourishment.

Professing to be wise and have understanding you only exhibit your lack of discernment. How can you cling to such denominational errors spewed forth by false prophets? What has Jesus said to you about these things?

Jesus promised that His sheep would know His voice. What then dies the voice of the shepherd say to you? PHDs and THDs do not a prophet make.

Abandon worship at the altars of men's denominations and turn to the word of God that is yet unsullied by the verbal grafitti of the unbelievers.

Christian is the biblical name given disciples. Not Baptist, Methodist, Episcopalian, Presbyterian or any other denominational creation of man. As a Christian you should discard all teaching that is contrary to the word of God.

Calling a thorny vine a grape vine will not cause it to produce fruit nor will prevent the thorns from wounding.

Jesus came to me in 1977, saved then baptized me in His Holy Spirit giving me the gift of tongues. He yet comes to those ignored by religion and gathers them Himself according to Ezekiel chapter 34. I'd never heard of this at all. The scant few denominational believers that spoke to me was only of joining their church and nothing of the love of God. I yet praise Him for saving me outside of men's denominations.

He comes to those entirely ignorant of Him and saves them from their sins, bypassing the denominations and traditions that deny the power of God.

There is never any of the love of God associated with the denial of God's wonderful gifts.

Abandon the altars of men and flee to the throne of God, believing the word exactly as written.

Denominational religion will not give you God's peace or power. There is no power for good in the denial of God's gifts.

Attempting to tell those that have received the biblical baptism in the Holy Spirit with accompanying gifts that they are in error is a teaching from dead denominational tradition.

How can you be shaken loose from the grip of false denominational teaching?

What has Jesus said to you? Because you stand against the word of God as it is written there is no life at all in your beliefs in the matter of spiritual gifts?

What does Jesus say? He will not contradict Himself.

Time for you to discern this with Him, brother.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

See actual footage of Khundalini which was an eastern mysticism that had existed long before Pentecost and still does exist today in how these believers are seeking this filling of the Holy Spirit and not just for tongues which never comes with interpretation in how it relates to that appearance of evil.

Some believers will make the excuse that Satan will copy cat God's workings and gifts, but Isaiah 8:19 has the Bible proving that there was a supernatural tongue before Pentecost that was just vain & profane babbling and history also puts Khundalini before Pentecost and so that would make God the copy catting of Satan, which is not true. The only conclusion is that tongues without interpretation is not of Him, when it existed before Pentecost, and you guys are wresting Paul's words out of context for what Paul was trying to say for why you are to seek prophesy over tongues.

So in order to apply those verses above to prove all things and to abstain from all appearances of evil, then you have to compare the video with Him.

So don't believe every spirit like the apostle John told you in 1 John 4:1-6, but test them.

soul man · Aug 11, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
New members joining in, will not have seen those other 6 or 10 threads.

Funny how in more than 6 or 10 threads, someone will testify to their tongues for private use or some other supernatural phenomenon of a continual filling of the Holy Spirit apart from salvation which is the same rudiment by which they got their tongues for private use by.

And as in most christian forums, worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father and the Son is a statement of faith by which these supernatural phenomenons happens by, and any counter to that Nicene creed is a counter to that statement of faith for joining the forum and one can get banned from that forum.

But I am trusting the Lord Jesus Christ to let me know when He is not peradventuring any more in His ministry in calling the lost to repentance by narrowing the way to the straight gate by keeping their eyes on the Son because the Bridegroom will be coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ.

I trust Him to keep the souls of His saints, the foolish virgins being out in the market to get their oil, when they are too late for the Bridegroom.

The thing is if people are interested when they join they will follow you. They can go to your profile and pull up all your thread-posts. It's just good forum etiquette to get to the point and be brief.

Stranger · Aug 11, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
So when believers insist tongues can also be for private use, how does it not defer from that act of Christian love towards the body of believers?

Enoch111 said:
Good question for those who have this belief. Something to seriously ponder.

It's not up to the believer with the gift of tongues to supply the interpreter. That comes from God. If God doesn't supply it, then blame Him. In the mean time, the believer can exercise his gift between himself and God.

Stranger

Stranger · Aug 11, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
Time for you to discern this with Him, brother.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

See actual footage of Khundalini which was an eastern mysticism that had existed long before Pentecost and still does exist today in how these believers are seeking this filling of the Holy Spirit and not just for tongues which never comes with interpretation in how it relates to that appearance of evil.

Some believers will make the excuse that Satan will copy cat God's workings and gifts, but Isaiah 8:19 has the Bible proving that there was a supernatural tongue before Pentecost that was just vain & profane babbling and history also puts Khundalini before Pentecost and so that would make God the copy catting of Satan, which is not true. The only conclusion is that tongues without interpretation is not of Him, when it existed before Pentecost, and you guys are wresting Paul's words out of context for what Paul was trying to say for why you are to seek prophesy over tongues.

So in order to apply those verses above to prove all things and to abstain from all appearances of evil, then you have to compare the video with Him.

So don't believe every spirit like the apostle John told you in 1 John 4:1-6, but test them.

You posted this exact same post to me in the other thread dealing with tongues. Again, the false doesn't negate the true. There are false prophets. That doesn't mean there are not real prophets. There are false teachers. That doesn't mean there are not real teachers. See?

Stranger

Enoch111 · Aug 11, 2018

Stranger said:
It's not up to the believer with the gift of tongues to supply the interpreter.

If that is so, how do you interpret this?
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. (v. 28).

bbyrd009 · Aug 11, 2018

JesusIsFaithful said:
So pray normally to Jesus in asking Him for help in understanding Paul's words

pray to Jesus? Sorry, what?

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