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Enoch111

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Because the Bible does?
That's correct.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (Rev 12:9).

The English "Satan" is the equivalent of the Hebrew "ha Satan" (הַשָּׂטָ֖ן) which means "the Adversary". So it is his proper name, therefore capitalized.
 
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Actually my bible has satan with a lower case.
But if you want him with a capital S, that fine to me.

Aren't - adversary, satan, serpent , enemy, devil etc all pseudonyms
.......they are just his nature aren't they , not his name?
Does he have one?

Thats what I always thought. hmmmm
 

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Aren't - adversary, satan, serpent , enemy, devil etc all pseudonyms
.......they are just his nature aren't they , not his name?
Does he have one?

Thats what I always thought. hmmmm

Rev 20:2

"the" dragon
"the" old serpent
"the" devil
ARE references To "thee" particular fallen angel called Satan.

Other fallen angels are also called "a" devil.

Thus "men" who are influenced "by" the "spirits" of "any" devil (fallen angel) are said to have a "devil" in them.

If it is "a" devil, it is "any" fallen angel.
If it is "the" devil, it is the Chief Devil (Satan).
As Satan is of sorts the Leader of fallen angels, and they are all devils.

God Bless,
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Since when do you take unbelieving Jews, and atheists opinion concerning what you believe about Israel...or anything else for that matter?

I have no doubt that you must interpret 'Israel', when spoken of in the New Testament, as now being the Church. Do you? If so, why?

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Jews are in fact not a race, they are a people who believe in a religion only.
The religion came from the Semitic race of peoples, just as Islam did as well.
The Hebrews are a separated people from all others, you would know this if you know history or the OT or the NT.
The Hebrews did not let others into there tribe, that's all others regardless if they were Semitic or other wise, because they had there stupid foolish idols etc, so they were not to be accepted into their tribe because such would be like a cancer and only work to destroy the tribe of Gods people.
In the Hebrew tribe people were banished if they did not cut it and such was done to keep the tribe healthy and strong.
So there you go it's not race thing at all but a religious one and such it has to do with following God, end of story.
Anyone who thinks that it's all about some race is a fool not to mention a stupid foolish racist twat and if you are a Christian one would know that everything comes from God, not from man, it's was the Holy Spirit that the Hebrews were all about and followed, but Satan was at work and when the Hebrews failed it was always to do with them loosing there way because they turned there back on God, the same is going on now with Christianity, it is failing because they do not look to Jesus Christ at all.

There are believing dedicated Jews still around nowadays who are true to the OT and they know there religion better than anyone and they are not atheist at all, they only have not come to understand that Jesus is the Christ. but you may learn from such people you know, they are not stupid they know the OT and they know that the Zionist and the Talmud is of Satan and they know that the so called Star the Zionist put on the flag is Satanic as well. not to mention that if Christians had studied there bible they would know what that Star represents.

Israel is the servants of God, they serve God only, be it OT or NT, in the NT it's the ones who are Born Again of the Holy Spirit and the water baptised are a people of God, so it's much like the tribe of Judah was.

The only Jews nowadays that are worthy are the ones who are true to Holy Moses, that will come to see who Jesus Christ truly is in time, it's biblical, that Holy Moses said that a true Israelite will know who he is, just as Nathaniel did and Jesus confirms this fact.

Nowadays people are looking to a race ! for Salvation, ha ha how pathetic and stupid can one be, the Hebrews race meant jack in fact, it was the Holy Spirit that they seek, not man at all. Jesus cam and he was a Hebrew and all, now what did they do to him bro ? they thought him a man, but they were lead astray by man, because they did not know that he was Emmanuel God with us sent by God, who also sent his prophets and who killed the prophets ? it was cunning men doing the works of man, leading all astray, this mob had taken over Gods Vineyard and God sent his Son to vomit such out of that land. we have Jesus Christ Servants who brought about Christianity they were all Jews back in the beginning with Jesus you know and when one become a Christian you are not a Jew anymore are you ? one may be a Hebrew Christian or a black Christian or what ever race you are but when one truly becomes a Christian you race does not trump that, because it's can't because we are all one in Christ Jesus and he is truly our Lord and saviour and if one was to put his race above such he is not a Christian at all.

A true Christian does not idolise people and they do not have idols.
 

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Jews are in fact not a race, they are a people who believe in a religion only.
The religion came from the Semitic race of peoples, just as Islam did as well.
The Hebrews are a separated people from all others, you would know this if you know history or the OT or the NT.
The Hebrews did not let others into there tribe, that's all others regardless if they were Semitic or other wise, because they had there stupid foolish idols etc, so they were not to be accepted into their tribe because such would be like a cancer and only work to destroy the tribe of Gods people.
In the Hebrew tribe people were banished if they did not cut it and such was done to keep the tribe healthy and strong.
So there you go it's not race thing at all but a religious one and such it has to do with following God, end of story.
Anyone who thinks that it's all about some race is a fool not to mention a stupid foolish racist twat and if you are a Christian one would know that everything comes from God, not from man, it's was the Holy Spirit that the Hebrews were all about and followed, but Satan was at work and when the Hebrews failed it was always to do with them loosing there way because they turned there back on God, the same is going on now with Christianity, it is failing because they do not look to Jesus Christ at all.

There are believing dedicated Jews still around nowadays who are true to the OT and they know there religion better than anyone and they are not atheist at all, they only have not come to understand that Jesus is the Christ. but you may learn from such people you know, they are not stupid they know the OT and they know that the Zionist and the Talmud is of Satan and they know that the so called Star the Zionist put on the flag is Satanic as well. not to mention that if Christians had studied there bible they would know what that Star represents.

Israel is the servants of God, they serve God only, be it OT or NT, in the NT it's the ones who are Born Again of the Holy Spirit and the water baptised are a people of God, so it's much like the tribe of Judah was.

The only Jews nowadays that are worthy are the ones who are true to Holy Moses, that will come to see who Jesus Christ truly is in time, it's biblical, that Holy Moses said that a true Israelite will know who he is, just as Nathaniel did and Jesus confirms this fact.

Nowadays people are looking to a race ! for Salvation, ha ha how pathetic and stupid can one be, the Hebrews race meant jack in fact, it was the Holy Spirit that they seek, not man at all. Jesus cam and he was a Hebrew and all, now what did they do to him bro ? they thought him a man, but they were lead astray by man, because they did not know that he was Emmanuel God with us sent by God, who also sent his prophets and who killed the prophets ? it was cunning men doing the works of man, leading all astray, this mob had taken over Gods Vineyard and God sent his Son to vomit such out of that land. we have Jesus Christ Servants who brought about Christianity they were all Jews back in the beginning with Jesus you know and when one become a Christian you are not a Jew anymore are you ? one may be a Hebrew Christian or a black Christian or what ever race you are but when one truly becomes a Christian you race does not trump that, because it's can't because we are all one in Christ Jesus and he is truly our Lord and saviour and if one was to put his race above such he is not a Christian at all.

A true Christian does not idolise people and they do not have idols.

Nice speech. But empty.

God knows who He calls the Jews. The Jews know who they are. But you don't. But, again, nice speech.

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Nice speech. But empty.

God knows who He calls the Jews. The Jews know who they are. But you don't. But, again, nice speech.

Stranger
God knows who are his own, that's who believe and obey him, did you know that bro.
True Christians know who they are and who Jesus Christ is in fact, did you know that bro.
True Jews are a religion and believe in the OT and live it, holding to Holy Moses, did you know that bro.

Stop idolising people bro and turn to the Holy Spirit and live in Christ Jesus, that is the only path.

God knows who he calls Jews, you say ? but do you know that Jews are not a race, they are a religious and have always be such.

The Jews know who they are, you say ? sure most people know who they are, but do you know who you are talking about, what is it that are you claiming, some sort of superior race type of BS. I think we have proven that's just bigoted load of crap madness. many a Jew failed badly as any other race and we all have morons in every race.

Oh I am a Jew come worship me ? they did not pass the test did they, only some did and followed Jesus the one and only Saviour of man.

Many have had another jesus but they do not know the true Jesus who is the Christ and anyone who rejects this is of Satan. did you know that bro. nice try bro but you have no substance at all, but empty babbling about a race that does not exist nor ever did.
 

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Rev 20:2

"the" dragon
"the" old serpent
"the" devil
ARE references To "thee" particular fallen angel called Satan.

Other fallen angels are also called "a" devil.

Thus "men" who are influenced "by" the "spirits" of "any" devil (fallen angel) are said to have a "devil" in them.

If it is "a" devil, it is "any" fallen angel.
If it is "the" devil, it is the Chief Devil (Satan).
As Satan is of sorts the Leader of fallen angels, and they are all devils.

God Bless,
Taken

Thumb.gif Okay, think I got it. :)
 
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God knows who are his own, that's who believe and obey him, did you know that bro.
True Christians know who they are and who Jesus Christ is in fact, did you know that bro.
True Jews are a religion and believe in the OT and live it, holding to Holy Moses, did you know that bro.

Stop idolising people bro and turn to the Holy Spirit and live in Christ Jesus, that is the only path.

God knows who he calls Jews, you say ? but do you know that Jews are not a race, they are a religious and have always be such.

The Jews know who they are, you say ? sure most people know who they are, but do you know who you are talking about, what is it that are you claiming, some sort of superior race type of BS. I think we have proven that's just bigoted load of crap madness. many a Jew failed badly as any other race and we all have morons in every race.

Oh I am a Jew come worship me ? they did not pass the test did they, only some did and followed Jesus the one and only Saviour of man.

Many have had another jesus but they do not know the true Jesus who is the Christ and anyone who rejects this is of Satan. did you know that bro. nice try bro but you have no substance at all, but empty babbling about a race that does not exist nor ever did.

Seeing things as God sees them is not 'idolizing'. The Jews are the physical descendants from the twelve sons of Jacob. They make up the nation of Israel. God specifically created that nation of people for Himself. Call it a race of people or a nation or whatever. They are chosen by God.

Yes, the Jews have failed terribly. Which is why it is good that God's promises to them are based on Him and not them. Sort of like you and I. If God is not true to His promises to Israel, what makes you think He will keep those to you?

Stranger
 

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Seeing things as God sees them is not 'idolizing'. The Jews are the physical descendants from the twelve sons of Jacob. They make up the nation of Israel. God specifically created that nation of people for Himself. Call it a race of people or a nation or whatever. They are chosen by God.

Yes, the Jews have failed terribly. Which is why it is good that God's promises to them are based on Him and not them. Sort of like you and I. If God is not true to His promises to Israel, what makes you think He will keep those to you?

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Gotta agree with Reggie here. There were some conditional relationships involved, and they chose not to go along with them.
 

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So, now this forum is occupied with the 's' of satan.
Might be better to spend our time on the 'G' versus the 'g' of God/god. I usually try to use the 's' rather than the 'S' myself so as not to even suggest that there is Life in death. People sometimes have good reasons and sometimes not so good reasons for doing little things they do. If their hearts are right in it, it is probably OK:

"Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes." Song of Solomon 2:15
 

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So, now this forum is occupied with the 's' of satan.

:D
For a while it seems...and didn't you start that? :D ...
...yes he likes any attention that he can get, as long as we are not talking about Jesus.
I don't care much when a thread goes down rabbit holes after the first few pages...some people who start threads get all cross if anyone goes "off topic"...but as I started this thread...I can say 'anything goes'...especially as we are now on page 13. :)
 
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Gotta agree with Reggie here. There were some conditional relationships involved, and they chose not to go along with them.
But the covenant God made with man after Noah came out of the ark was favorable with no conditions. It is not even necessary to be a natural child of Jacob to benefit from that one.

"And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth." Gen 9:11
 
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But the covenant God made with man after Noah came out of the ark was favorable with no conditions. It is not even necessary to be a natural child of Jacob to benefit from that one.

"And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth." Gen 9:11
All that one does is say we are reasonably safe from a worldwide flood. :eek:
 
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Maybe something like this?
A careful study of the Bible reveals that those promises of the Old Testament were not unconditional promises at all. repeatedly, the nation of Israel was warned of the dire consequences of disobedience. Both blessing and curse were set before them, depending on obedience or disobedience. because of continued patterns of rebellion, God allowed them to be decimated and scattered into Babylonian captivity for seventy years. Many prophets were raised up by god to foretell their return from that captivity. Modern commentators have made the mistake of applying those prophecies of restoration to some future gathering of Israel. They refuse to see that the restoration spoken of by Isaiah and Jeremiah has already taken place. There are many graphic threats of rejection made to Israel. Over and over God gave warnings like this: "And if thou wilt ... do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgements: Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever ... But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments ... Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people." [ 1 KINGS 9:4-7 ] Finally, as related through the prophet Daniel, God allotted a probationary period of 490 years for the Jewish people to see what they would do about the Messiah [ DAN 9:24 ]. The prophetic time period of 70 weeks (a day for a year, [ EZE 4:6 ]) began with the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem (Artaxeres's decree in 457 B.C., Ezra 7:11) and ended in 34 A.D. In that same year the gospel began to go to the gentiles, Stephen was stoned, and Paul went forth to begin his unique ministry to the non-Jews. The occasion marked the formal and final separation of Israel from its covenant relationship. Jesus had explained to the Jewish leaders in the clearest possible language that their rejection of Him would seal their own rejection as the children of the kingdom. "The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." [ MATT 21:43 ] The Jews had expected a Messiah who would come in blazing power and glory, who would restore the Jews and build a kingdom here on earth. When Jesus humbly arrived in a manger and spoken of a kingdom not of earth, they rejected Him, looking back to the heavens for something to come which had a supernatual-show-of-extravaganza to it. There is no mystery as to why the hundreds of specific Old Testament promises were never fulfilled to Israel. They utterly failed to meet the conditions of obedience. Otherwise, they would have inherited the earth, been delievered from all their enemies, and made Jerusalem the worship center for all nations.
 
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