Israel is a miracle nation=God"s Eternal Chosen People.

Episkopos said:

I am very well versed in both testaments. And I read Hebrew. Did you look at Gen. 48? Did you look at the prophecy that preceded the prophecy?

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Yes indeed. I looked at Genesis 48:4, and guess what? It totally REFUTED your mixing up the Church with Israel!

And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting possession.

Who gets "this land" for "an everlasting possession" other than the twelve tribes of Israel ("thy seed" meaning the seed or descendants of Jacob/Israel)? The Church definitely does not get "this land" since the eternal home of the Church is in the New Jerusalem.

Furthermore, "this land" will not merely consist of what is presently occupied by the secular nation-state of Israel, but will extend from the Nile to the Euphrates! That is yet to be fulfilled.

GENESIS 15
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

Enoch111 said:

Yes indeed. I looked at Genesis 48:4, and guess what? It totally REFUTED your mixing up the Church with Israel!

And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting possession.

Who gets "this land" for "an everlasting possession" other than the twelve tribes of Israel ("thy seed" meaning the seed or descendants of Jacob/Israel)? The Church definitely does not get "this land" since the eternal home of the Church is in the New Jerusalem.

Furthermore, "this land" will not merely consist of what is presently occupied by the secular nation-state of Israel, but will extend from the Nile to the Euphrates! That is yet to be fulfilled.

GENESIS 15
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

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You refuted it? very curious...

What about Gen. 35:11? where Israel is BOTH a nation...according to the flesh AND a congregation of nations...spiritual Israel

Gen. 35:11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee (Israel) , and kings shall come out of thy loins;

The word "company" in the above verse is actually..."congregation" (kehal) the word used for church. And this is from Genesis.

More truth to be refuted?

Is the land of “Israel” their true ancient homeland?

Promised Land

“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.

Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Moab

It appears the Israeli's were coned into believing the land now claimed as "Israel" was no such thing.

I wonder at this sabbath thing. Does that mean that on the second day...after the sabbath is over ...you MUST get back to doing worldly selfish things...dead works...otherwise what would distinguish you doing something special once a week if you didn't stop doing it?

What if once a week lasted for 7 days? Would that be wrong. Would it be so wrong to remain in His sabbath rest all the time? is it wrong to remain with God? Should we depart from the living God only to return on sabbath days?

Episkopos said:

Gen. 35:11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee (Israel) , and kings shall come out of thy loins;

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Something must have gone wrong because after the above we find this--------------

Ezekiel

1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,
3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.
4 Seeing then that I will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked, therefore shall my sword go forth out of his sheath against all flesh from the south to the north:
7 And it shall be, when they say unto thee, Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shalt answer, For the tidings; because it cometh: and every heart shall melt, and all hands shall be feeble, and every spirit shall faint, and all knees shall be weak as water: behold, it cometh, and shall be brought to pass, saith the Lord GOD.
9 Son of man, prophesy, and say, Thus saith the LORD; Say, A sword, a sword is sharpened, and also furbished:

12 Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh.

13 Because it is a trial, and what if the sword contemn even the rod? it shall be no more, saith the Lord GOD.

17 I will also smite mine hands together, and I will cause my fury to rest: I the LORD have said it.

24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.

25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,
27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.
29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.
30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.
31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.

32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population

Episkopos said:

I wonder at this sabbath thing. Does that mean that on the second day...after the sabbath is over ...you MUST get back to doing worldly selfish things...dead works...otherwise what would distinguish you doing something special once a week if you didn't stop doing it?

What if once a week lasted for 7 days? Would that be wrong. Would it be so wrong to remain in His sabbath rest all the time? is it wrong to remain with God? Should we depart from the living God only to return on sabbath days?

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Amen!!

And I also found this~~~~~~~~~
(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

(Deu 7:8 KJV) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh King of Egypt.

(Deu 7:12 KJV) Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he swore unto thy fathers:

(Deu 7:13 KJV) And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kin, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

Again I must include this--
According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population

https://all-about-biz.blogspot.com/2011/10/jewish-population.html

People seem to be giving up their culture and traditions and with them, religion

After further research the above post by me needs to be corrected
https://all-about-biz.blogspot.com/2011/10/jewish-population.html

According to the World Jewish Population Survey of 2002, "The size of world Jewry at the beginning of 2002 is assessed at 13,296,100. One in about 457 people in the world is Jewish. According to the revised figures, between 2001 and 2002 the Jewish population grew by an estimated 44,000 people, or about 0.3 percent."
According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."
The World Jewish Population Survey gives the following geographical breakdown of the Jewish population:

Jay Ross said:

Oh Stranger, you have obviously did not understood what I had posted. I made no claims/statement that Israel was the church in the New Testament or that the Gentiles would become Israel. That is your opinion of what I was posting about. Shame on you for attempting to put words into my mouth, so to speak.

You, also, have expressed your opinion without any scriptural confirmation and as such you have qualified what you have posted to the WPB.

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You said, "God does not want his nation of Priests and a Holy Nation and His possession among the nations, settled in the land of Canaan, he requires them to be scattered among the nations so that they will be a blessing to all of the peoples of the earth".

This is true of only the Church today. To which it is said in (1 Peter 2:9) "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light."

Israel today is not a 'blessing to all peoples of the earth' as you want to say. By their fall, salvation has come to the Gentiles. (Rom. 11:11) By their blindness the fullness of the Gentiles will occur. (Rom. 11:25) They are at present enemies of the gospel. (Rom. 11:28)

Scripture that speaks of Israel being the leading nation in the Kingdom, has to do with Israel in a right relationship with God, and having received her Messiah. Then she will be a blessing and light to all nations of the world. That has not happened yet.

Thus, you see, I understood very well what you said. I guess you just didn't understand what you said. So, again, don't apply to Israel what is of the Church. Shame on you for attempting to do it. yfnb

Stranger

@Stranger: - Again you are trying to put words in my mouth by claiming that I have said something that I did not say. This is what I had posted: -

Jay Ross said:

We need to unpack these verses a little differently.

Romans 11:25-26: - 25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,
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This is the "traditional understanding" that has been accepted as the meaning of the original Greek text; however, I would suggest that a better understanding is made with reference to Daniel 8:13-14 and the trampling of the Sanctuary by the heathen Gentiles.

A better translation would be: - “until the prophesied full time period of the ‘heathen’ Gentiles is complete, after which all of Israel will be saved;”

When the full time period of the 2,300 years of the heathen gentiles trampling the sanctuary of God has run its full course from around 250 BC until its completion in our near future, probably within the next 20-30 years time period, after which all of Israel will be saved/redeemed by God.

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Your understanding of what I had written is this: -

Stranger said:

This is true of only the Church today. To which it is said in (1 Peter 2:9) "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light."

Israel today is not a 'blessing to all peoples of the earth' as you want to say. By their fall, salvation has come to the Gentiles. (Rom. 11:11) By their blindness the fullness of the Gentiles will occur. (Rom. 11:25) They are at present enemies of the gospel. (Rom. 11:28)

Scripture that speaks of Israel being the leading nation in the Kingdom, has to do with Israel in a right relationship with God, and having received her Messiah. Then she will be a blessing and light to all nations of the world. That has not happened yet.

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If you had taken the time to actually consider what I had written, you would have realised that I did not say that Israel was a blessing to the nations of the world at this present time. I did, however, state that they would be redeemed/save in another 20-30 years time, in our near future.

I also referenced Genesis 15:16 and stated that this prophetic verse speaks of Abraham's descendants returning to the land in their own strength, which they did in 1948. If they returned in their own strength, then they were not reliant on God's help to do so.

It was Gismys_7 who presented the statement that: -

GISMYS_7 said:

God promised that in the last days of this age, He will bring His people back into their own land. (May 15,1948)And though those days will be difficult, in the end He will personally defend them and they will never be dispersed again.

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In my post, I clearly stated that God intended His redeemed Nation of Israel to remain scattered within the nations of the earth during the next age to be a blessing to the people of the Nations. This does not occur until all of Israel is saved.

In other scriptures, after the end of the next age, God promises to bring all of Israel back into the Promised Land. Presently many people have an expectation that God is honouring his promise to bring Israel back to the Promised Land, at this Present time, but this expectation is not firmly based on what is recorded in the Scriptures.

Properly unpacking Ezekiel 34:11-16 certainly tells us what is God's intention in our near future is for Israel.

Shalom

If a branch does not produce fruit it is cut off and thrown into the fire. A branch cannot produce fruit unless it is a branch of Jesus. Israel was a branch and rejected Jesus. Ancient Israel was burned in 70 AD. Therefore could the ashes reform to a branch? When a branch is burned it turns to ash is no more a branch and never will be. Neither can a branch be grafted to ash and grow.

If Israel is still a branch then what is the purpose of Jesus being the branch? Do we have two branches? It would be not so for a Christian to say we have two branches for they know there is only one branch and that is Jesus. The branch is only noble and useful while producing fruit. When cut down it's wood is fit only for fuel. So Israel, having ceased to be fruitful, they were no longer useful and like a withered branch were burned.
Verses:
Deu_32:32-33; Psa_80:8-16; Son_2:13, Son_2:15, Son_6:11, Son_7:12, Son_8:11-12; Isa_5:1-7; Jer_2:21; Hos_10:1; Mat_21:33-41; Mar_12:1-9; Luk_20:9-16; Joh_15:1-6

Palestinian nationalists consider East Jerusalem the rightful capital of an independent Palestine. Israel claims Jerusalem is the capital, but till this year embassies were based elsewhere. Recently US moved embassy to Jerusalem and soon other embassies to follow. Revelation 20:9 And they [the deceived] went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Who is the enemy? Voice of the Martyrs lists Israel as a country hostile to Christianity. Billy Graham held rallies in 185 countries, including communist, but has never been allowed to hold an evangelistic rally in Israel. The fact is Israel detains individuals suspected of being Christian missionaries, and require such persons to obtain bail, and then pledge to abstain from Christian missionary activity. In addition many have been refused entry into the country. Israel has also cited Christian proselytism as a reason to deny student visas, work visas, religious visa extensions, and permanent residency petitions. Who is the enemy of the saints in Revelation 20:9? The verse before Revelation 20:8 shall go out to deceive the nations. Who is being deceived?

Israel is a miracle nation=God"s Eternal Chosen People?
What god have they chosen?
Where are they going eternally?

zipzaddle said:

If a branch does not produce fruit it is cut off and thrown into the fire. A branch cannot produce fruit unless it is a branch of Jesus. Israel was a branch and rejected Jesus. Ancient Israel was burned in 70 AD. Therefore could the ashes reform to a branch? When a branch is burned it turns to ash is no more a branch and never will be. Neither can a branch be grafted to ash and grow.

If Israel is still a branch then what is the purpose of Jesus being the branch? Do we have two branches? It would be not so for a Christian to say we have two branches for they know there is only one branch and that is Jesus. The branch is only noble and useful while producing fruit. When cut down it's wood is fit only for fuel. So Israel, having ceased to be fruitful, they were no longer useful and like a withered branch were burned.
Verses:
Deu_32:32-33; Psa_80:8-16; Son_2:13, Son_2:15, Son_6:11, Son_7:12, Son_8:11-12; Isa_5:1-7; Jer_2:21; Hos_10:1; Mat_21:33-41; Mar_12:1-9; Luk_20:9-16; Joh_15:1-6

Palestinian nationalists consider East Jerusalem the rightful capital of an independent Palestine. Israel claims Jerusalem is the capital, but till this year embassies were based elsewhere. Recently US moved embassy to Jerusalem and soon other embassies to follow. Revelation 20:9 And they [the deceived] went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Who is the enemy? Voice of the Martyrs lists Israel as a country hostile to Christianity. Billy Graham held rallies in 185 countries, including communist, but has never been allowed to hold an evangelistic rally in Israel. The fact is Israel detains individuals suspected of being Christian missionaries, and require such persons to obtain bail, and then pledge to abstain from Christian missionary activity. In addition many have been refused entry into the country. Israel has also cited Christian proselytism as a reason to deny student visas, work visas, religious visa extensions, and permanent residency petitions. Who is the enemy of the saints in Revelation 20:9? The verse before Revelation 20:8 shall go out to deceive the nations. Who is being deceived?

Israel is a miracle nation=God"s Eternal Chosen People?
What god have they chosen?
Where are they going eternally?

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Jesus told this parable: -
This parable suggests that Christ understood that Israel, at the end of the fourth Age of their existence, the nation, would begin to produce fruit.

God in Ex 20:4-6 had prophesised that Israel would be actively involved in idolatrous worship during the first two ages of their existence and that in the third and fourth age, the iniquities of their first two ages would be visited upon them. After the end of the Fourth age, God has undertaken to clean them by washing them in clear water. So many people have wiped Israel out of God's Plan for the salvation of mankind. Israel at the end of the fourth age will repent of their sin of idolatry and they will be redeemed and God will renew His covenant of a Nation of Priests and a Holy nation with Israel. God still has a purpose for Israel to be His Kingdom of Priests so that all of the earth can be blessed by Them.

Shalom

The Tribe Of Israel failed 2000 years ago and Jesus Christ brought true Israel back to life and it's been called the Catholic Church for 2000 years.
There were only the remanet of Israel and Judah left when Jesus came, Nathaniel was a true Israelite according to Jesus Christ and Nathaniel knew who Jesus was, the King of Israel.
Now if they who did not come to Jesus 2000 years ago they are all Anti-Christ.
The Jews today are not repentant at all, they are all Anti-Christ in fact.

Now if any so called Christian supports This false Israel they are all of Satan, because they are rejecting that Jesus Christ is not the King of Israel, even a 5yo can understand that.

Satanist have created this State that new is claiming or being called Israel, as a devious cunning ploy, the True devout best educated Jewish people of the OT do not say that it is Israel at all, they know it's not and they say it's not and they are the best educated Jews on the OT they know all the OT books better than anyone does and they live it and breath it 24/7 devout as anyone could be beyond you imagination devout and totally educated on all the subjects, no one can beat their knowledge or come near it, they are true to God and they are around 10% of the Jewish people, the other 90% of the People in the Jewish State called Israel are full of trash they say and that's the True devout Jews who are saying such, did you or do you even know that.
The majority of so called Jews are Anti-God in fact, Atheist and Sodomites are everywhere, no wonder the true devout Jews are totally pissed off.

Man created the State that is called Israel now and not God, 60 million goyim were murdered in WW2 and 6 million Jews were murdered as well, so as to create the State.
The Zionist were murdering true Jews in Germany who did not look up to and follow the Satanist so called Zionist, the true Jews pointed them Zionist out for the trash that they were but the Nazis got rid of all the Jewish newspaper printing and only allowed there Zionist mates print papers, so you see the Zionist and the Nazis were in bed and one and the same type of Socialist dictating trash.
The reason back in the day was to set up a State for true devout Jews so as not to be persecuted, because Jews were hated all over the world, there was never any love for the Jews in England, USA, and every Nation on Earth and that's a fact, everyone hated their guts because they were swindlers Bankers salesman con-artist getting into politics and always undermining the Goyim Nations and that why you see in history why they were always getting kicked out of the host Nations that took them in and if you ever bothered to look into it all it sticks out like dogs balls.
The Jews look down on all Goyim as just stupid foolish Niggers, the word Goyim means Cattle and that's how they treat you. they are the biggest bigoted racist going in the world in fact.
The State of Israel would be nothing at all if it was not for all the money it ripped off from the German people for years after the war and then all the money it gets given from all the other Nations, not to mention all the money they get out of the USA tax payers every year.
If The State calling it's self Israel could not scam other Nations out of there tax payers like they do, this Zionist State would dry up and blow away.

The Devil is the only one who will be coming due to all this Satanic trash, just look around you, it's becoming Sodom and it is the Devil that they will worship as there saviour claiming it's the 2ed coming of Jesus but it will be the Devil in fact and he will be loved by brainwashed idiots, just as Hitler was in the days before the war, most people are that uneducated on history to know that Hitler was loved by all the Nations Leaders, the Australian PM said great things about him and so did England and the USA president in fact.
The Talmud Zionist are Satanist claiming to be Israel but they did not kill all of us Jews who know the truth.
What the Talmud Zionist Whore does is, he just works to destroy all body and Soul by undermining everything they can, so that the joy is like a derelict drunk that is too weak minded to know what is truly going on.

Jay Ross said:

If you had taken the time to actually consider what I had written, you would have realised that I did not say that Israel was a blessing to the nations of the world at this present time. I did, however, state that they would be redeemed/save in another 20-30 years time, in our near future.


Shalom

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See post #4 again. At present time is exactly what you said. "At present God does not want his nation of Priests and a Holy Nation and His possession among the nation, settled in the land of Canaan, He requires them to be scattered among the nations so that they will be a blessing to all of the peoples of the earth"

I understand why you didn't want to put that in your quotes...of what you said.


Stranger

GISMYS_7 said:

Israel is a miracle nation=God"s Eternal Chosen People.
God promised that in the last days of this age, He will bring His people back into their own land. (May 15,1948)And though those days will be difficult, in the end He will personally defend them and they will never be dispersed again.

So those who fight against this miracle nation are fighting a losing battle. The Book of Revelation speaks of a massive revival among Jews after the Rapture. And Romans 11:26 promises that, "All Israel will be saved."
Hal Lindsey

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Never a single instance in all the history of Israel did God gather them back to the land after scattering them for disobedience without Israel first having met the condition God Himself placed on them at the dedication of the temple Solomon built - full repentance. The people who today occupy the land of ancient Israel have never met this condition.

We cannot claim God had anything to do with the events of 1948 and still remain Biblically consistent Christians - especially since historical accounts prove that these events were the direct result of globalist Luciferian Secret Society NWO agendas and Vatican intrigue.

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Jesus told this parable: -

Luke 13 : 6-9 - The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree

6 He also spoke this parable: "A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. 7 Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, 'Look, for three years {seasons/ages} I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?' 8 But he answered and said to him, 'Sir, let it alone this year {season/age} also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. 9 And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'"
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This parable suggests that Christ understood that Israel, at the end of the fourth Age of their existence, the nation, would begin to produce fruit.

God in Ex 20:4-6 had prophesised that Israel would be actively involved in idolatrous worship during the first two ages of their existence and that in the third and fourth age, the iniquities of their first two ages would be visited upon them. After the end of the Fourth age, God has undertaken to clean them by washing them in clear water. So many people have wiped Israel out of God's Plan for the salvation of mankind. Israel at the end of the fourth age will repent of their sin of idolatry and they will be redeemed and God will renew His covenant of a Nation of Priests and a Holy nation with Israel. God still has a purpose for Israel to be His Kingdom of Priests so that all of the earth can be blessed by Them.

Shalom

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Dan 2:32 ... head was of fine gold, ... breast and his arms of silver, ... belly and thighs of brass, (33) ... legs of iron, ... feet part of iron and part of [the potter's] clay. (34) ... stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. (35) ... iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors ... the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them ... the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
6 Kingdoms the last being Christian Kingdom
1st Gold - Babylon / 2nd Silver - Persia / 3rd Bronze - Greece / 4th Iron - Rome
Messiah Comes
5th Iron and Potter's Clay - Roman/Christian Era / 6th Christian Kingdom

4 Kingdoms / Messiah Comes / Israel Destroyed
Dan 2 (38) ...Thou art this head of gold. (39) And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. (40) And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

Roman / Christian Era - Christian Beliefs and Roman Idolatry Worship
(41) And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with potter's clay. (42) And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

1056 AD West (Idol Rome) and East (Christian) Split
(43) And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. (44) And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Jesus's Kingdom
Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold...

70 AD Satanic Israel Destroyed (Rev 18)
1070 AD Satan Freed after 1000 Years (Jews? Join Society Edinburgh)
Jesus said, "Who say they are Jews, but are not" and many prominent Jewish leaders in recent history have said Israel is not Jewish.
4th Age or Kingdom Age Israel was washed of their sins (baptism), some did repent of their idolatry. God allowed one generation (40 years) for repentance. Paul and the other Apostles were Israel and are the leaders of God's Kingdom. 70 AD Israel was destroyed. God's Kingdom is in Heaven. And will return [Revelation 21].
Everyone has a chance to be in God's Kingdom. God is not an enemy to them they are an enemy to God. A person cannot serve both good and evil. I love to hate and I hate to love does not mean one loves. Israel has deceived the nations and I hope a person can see this and join in God's Kingdom.

Stranger said:

See post #4 again. At present time is exactly what you said. "At present God does not want his nation of Priests and a Holy Nation and His possession among the nation, settled in the land of Canaan, He requires them to be scattered among the nations so that they will be a blessing to all of the peoples of the earth"

I understand why you didn't want to put that in your quotes...of what you said.


Stranger

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Perhaps I was not as clear as I could have been.

"At present, God does not require/want Israel, whom he will redeem and then renew His covenant of a nation of Priests and a Holy Nation and His possession among the nation(s) with in the near future, settled in the land of Canaan, He still requires them to be scattered among the nations so that they will be a blessing to all of the peoples of the earth, during the millennium age."

That is the point, the scriptural passage Ezekiel 34 :11-16 which I quoted in my original post, is making.

Sadly, the way it has been translated into English does not convey that message,.

Genesis 15:16 which is the passage applicable to the return of some of Abraham's descendants in 1948 to the land of Canaan, was achieved through the strength of man, without any "active" involvement from God, unlike the previous prophecy with respect to God actively involved in taking Israel out of Egypt as prophesied in Genesis 15: 13-14.


In Genesis 15:16, God does not indicate any involvement in the descendants returning to the land of Canaan.


The other thing to note is that the above two prophecies are separated by a one verse prophecy which is specific to Abraham.

Therefore, in 1948, God did not bring Israel back to the Land of Canaan, as He still requires them to be scattered among the nations so that they can be a blessing to all of the nations during the Millennium Age.

Shalom

zipzaddle said:

Dan 2:32 ... head was of fine gold, ... breast and his arms of silver, ... belly and thighs of brass, (33) ... legs of iron, ... feet part of iron and part of [the potter's] clay. (34) ... stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. (35) ... iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors ... the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them ... the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
6 Kingdoms the last being Christian Kingdom
1st Gold - Babylon / 2nd Silver - Persia / 3rd Bronze - Greece / 4th Iron - Rome
Messiah Comes
5th Iron and Potter's Clay - Roman/Christian Era / 6th Christian Kingdom

4 Kingdoms / Messiah Comes / Israel Destroyed
Dan 2 (38) ...Thou art this head of gold. (39) And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. (40) And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

Roman / Christian Era - Christian Beliefs and Roman Idolatry Worship
(41) And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with potter's clay. (42) And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

1056 AD West (Idol Rome) and East (Christian) Split
(43) And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. (44) And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Jesus's Kingdom
Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold...

70 AD Satanic Israel Destroyed (Rev 18)
1070 AD Satan Freed after 1000 Years (Jews? Join Society Edinburgh)
Jesus said, "Who say they are Jews, but are not" and many prominent Jewish leaders in recent history have said Israel is not Jewish.
4th Age or Kingdom Age Israel was washed of their sins (baptism), some did repent of their idolatry. God allowed one generation (40 years) for repentance. Paul and the other Apostles were Israel and are the leaders of God's Kingdom. 70 AD Israel was destroyed. God's Kingdom is in Heaven. And will return [Revelation 21].
Everyone has a chance to be in God's Kingdom. God is not an enemy to them they are an enemy to God. A person cannot serve both good and evil. I love to hate and I hate to love does not mean one loves. Israel has deceived the nations and I hope a person can see this and join in God's Kingdom.

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What does your post have to do with Christ's prophetic prophecy found in Luke 13:6-9? Absolutely, nothing.

In any case your understanding of the Daniel 2 passage is also of base. The five kingdoms/empires are, (1.) Babylon, (2.) Medes and Persians, (3.) the Greek Empire, firstly, Alexandra the great and then one of the four segments of the divided empire of Alexandra the great, which was followed by a period of two ages, i.e. approx. a little longer than 2,000 years, when Babylon was remembered once more and the nation of (4.) Iraq was created around 1926. Then in 2003, Iraq was occupied by a (5.) Coalition of the willing formed out of 20 nations for a period of time in an attempt to heal the land of Babylon/Iraq. The remaining members of this Coalition of the willing still exercise influence over Iraq which contains the Land of Babylon.

God's Everlasting Kingdom is still to be established during the Time of the kingdoms that formed the Coalition of the Willing that has control over Iraq. This is still a near future event and will happen in and around 20-30 years time into our future.

Now the Son of Man, i.e. Christ, is given dominion over the people after the Everlasting Kingdom is formed, but scripture does not record if Christ is going to exercise His dominion over the peoples of the earth through His presences on the earth. The fact is that we are told in scripture, that Christ return to the face of the earth, with all of the heavenly Hosts to Judge the people of the earth at the end of the Millennium Age.

Having the right understanding is still very important.

Jay Ross said:

What does your post have to do with Christ's prophetic prophecy found in Luke 13:6-9? Absolutely, nothing.

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Don't remember your reply?
Your reply: "God in Ex 20:4-6 had prophesised that Israel would be actively involved in idolatrous worship during the first two ages of their existence and that in the third and fourth age, the iniquities of their first two ages would be visited upon them. After the end of the Fourth age, God has undertaken to clean them by washing them in clear water. So many people have wiped Israel out of God's Plan for the salvation of mankind. Israel at the end of the fourth age will repent of their sin of idolatry and they will be redeemed and God will renew His covenant of a Nation of Priests and a Holy nation with Israel. God still has a purpose for Israel to be His Kingdom of Priests so that all of the earth can be blessed by Them."

This "washing in water [baptism], "repenting of idolatry", "redeemed" and "a Holy Nation of Kings and Priests" already happened in the first century during the Fourth Kingdom or Age. Fifth is Roman / Christian [iron and clay] and sixth is Jesus's Kingdom on earth. These four baptism, repenting, redeemed and a Holy Kingdom are the understanding of the Messiah's message for Christians.