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Well...in a way, that's part of the "Already, Not Yet", isn't it? That the Kingdom has been inaugurated, his Spirit present in his Church, but we await the final and full consummation, his second coming?
I don't know...it's easy to use the Theological terms you hear about it, but sometimes it's hard to really sort it out in your mind...how does it work? What's it look like? What will it look like? Eh. I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, and probably won't be able to follow everything, but I like thinking about it all. It's exciting. And...well...it's hopeful. It makes you realize that no matter how things are, God is steering this ship exactly where he wants it to go.
So...when it all comes down to it, if I'm wrong about my end times belief, it's not going to concern me in the slightest! The only thing my heart longs for, is his return. I don't care if it's in the clouds, on the Mt of Olives, invisible, or visible, with a trumpet, or with a silent call. Whatever!

I don't know that I recognize your usage of the 'Son' categories. Sure, we know he referred to himself as the Son of Man, and that he was the Son of God, and also, prophetically the Son of David. I always understood his roles to be in a more, "Prophet, Priest, King" role. His first coming showed his prophet and priestly roles, and his second coming would reveal him in all his Kingly glory.
Yep, His coming is what I'm looking for too. I do believe it is a continuous, daily coming of His Holy Spirit until we see Him fully Personified in our life. Then the Rapture would come. I believe that is what He died for, to get us to THAT Place to receive Him.

1 John 3:2-3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
 

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No, the five fold ministry is for the perfecting of the saints.
That is a reference to the equipping of the saints, not the perfecting and glorification at the Resurrection/Rapture. See the other translations for this word. Believers will not be sinlessly perfect or glorified with immortal bodies until the Resurrection/Rapture.
 
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That is a reference to the equipping of the saints, not the perfecting and glorification at the Resurrection/Rapture. See the other translations for this word. Believers will not be sinlessly perfect or glorified with immortal bodies until the Resurrection/Rapture.
No I can agree with that. We cannot meet the Lord in His fulness in these bodies. If that is what you are saying.
 

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No I can agree with that. We cannot meet the Lord in His fulness in these bodies. If that is what you are saying.


Yet we can be filled with all His fulness that we can contain in these bodies.

Eph. 3:19 "and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God."
 
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Yet we can be filled with all His fulness that we can contain in these bodies.

Eph. 3:19 "and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God."
Who says that this will manifest in this body as it is?
 

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2 Cor. 4: 10 "always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies."
His life should manifest in us all the time, yes. That does not meen it's the fullness of God. I doubt there is many people if any at all experienced the fullness of God in their lifes and was able to live to tell about it. Do you have any idea what the fullness of God is? The creator of universe, alive for Eternity? I believe we will get there, yes but not in this body. This body is sin to begin with. Carnal and temporal. It's very nature fights God. When the fullness of God comes this body will have to give way. It will need to come into obedience. It can't be taken lightly.
 

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Yet we can be filled with all His fulness that we can contain in these bodies.

Eph. 3:19 "and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God."

A mystery of Gods Works;

It is The Fullness "OF" God... His Spirit that Fills "our Quickened" spirit.

Our Body's Are DEAD, (crucified).
We live IN Christ's glorified body.

Expounding in brief...

A converted man HAS A DEAD body, a justified body, yet Accounted, according to Gods Accounting DEAD.

A converted man HAS A "restored" /Saved soul.

A converted man HAS A "quickened spirit" / born again OF Gods SEED.

A Converted man "IS ALIVE" "IN" Christs Glorified BODY.

Spiritual WORKS of God, Accounted IN HIS books and records.

The Mystery IS, but, but, but, our Natural Flesh is "still naturally living".

Scripture teaches the necessity of a "continued natural flesh", as being man who is Converted, to continue relating in the same fashion "naturally seen by other "unconverted" men, that the Converted man could continue to spread, teach, reveal Gods Word TO the world.

However, a Converted mans BODY IS DEAD and Justified to BE Raised IN A Glorified Body,
MEANTIME, a Converted man IS alive IN Christ's Glorified BODY and walks in (the mans) new spirit "with" Gods "Indwelling" Spirit.
1 Cor 12:27

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His life should manifest in us all the time, yes. That does not meen it's the fullness of God. I doubt there is many people if any at all experienced the fullness of God in their lifes and was able to live to tell about it. Do you have any idea what the fullness of God is? The creator of universe, alive for Eternity? I believe we will get there, yes but not in this body. This body is sin to begin with. Carnal and temporal. It's very nature fights God. When the fullness of God comes this body will have to give way. It will need to come into obedience. It can't be taken lightly.


Have you experienced His resurrection power? We have a new nature and when we enter into Christ there is a new law...the law of the Spirit of life IN Christ. There is power in His life and blood. Resurrection power that can animate these mortal bodies to be fully pleasing to God...without spot or wrinkle.

Blameless.
 
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"Taken, post: 431809, member: 7756"]A mystery of Gods Works;

It is The Fullness "OF" God... His Spirit that Fills "our Quickened" spirit.

Our Body's Are DEAD, (crucified).
We live IN Christ's glorified body.

Not really. We will only put on a glorified body after this body dies or is put off. It is the power of the flesh that is crucified in order to let His life take over.


Expounding in brief...

A converted man HAS A DEAD body, a justified body, yet Accounted, according to Gods Accounting DEAD.

Actually a man has a living body..which is meant to be governed first by the will (our own) and ultimately by new life in Christ which we have surrendered to Him.


A converted man HAS A "restored" /Saved soul.

A regenerated man has a new heart...but the soul still needs to be won over to Christ. There is the renewing of the mind to consider. That is what the race of faith is all about. A faith that is able to win over the soul into the likeness of Jesus.

A converted man HAS A "quickened spirit" / born again OF Gods SEED.

Yes.

A Converted man "IS ALIVE" "IN" Christs Glorified BODY.

Not so much. To take on the perfection of Christ in His humanity we need to enter into His life...and abide in Him. This requires a full surrender and acceptance of God through the gate that is Jesus...

Spiritual WORKS of God, Accounted IN HIS books and records.

The Mystery IS, but, but, but, our Natural Flesh is "still naturally living".

Scripture teaches the necessity of a "continued natural flesh", as being man who is Converted, to continue relating in the same fashion "naturally seen by other "unconverted" men, that the Converted man could continue to spread, teach, reveal Gods Word TO the world.

To reveal the new life which is an eternal spiritual life from above.

However, a Converted mans BODY IS DEAD and Justified to BE Raised IN A Glorified Body,
MEANTIME, a Converted man IS alive IN Christ's Glorified BODY and walks in (the mans) new spirit "with" Gods "Indwelling" Spirit.
1 Cor 12:27

God Bless,
Taken[/QUOTE]

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His life should manifest in us all the time, yes. That does not meen it's the fullness of God. I doubt there is many people if any at all experienced the fullness of God in their lifes and was able to live to tell about it. Do you have any idea what the fullness of God is? The creator of universe, alive for Eternity? I believe we will get there, yes but not in this body. This body is sin to begin with. Carnal and temporal. It's very nature fights God. When the fullness of God comes this body will have to give way. It will need to come into obedience. It can't be taken lightly.

You seem to be giving greater acknowledgement to YOUR Body "WHILE" talking of spiritual.

Why be concerned with a body that IS DEAD, its Sin forgiven and covered with Gods Light that it is neither seen or remembered by God?

God Bless,
Taken
 

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Yep, His coming is what I'm looking for too. I do believe it is a continuous, daily coming of His Holy Spirit until we see Him fully Personified in our life. Then the Rapture would come. I believe that is what He died for, to get us to THAT Place to receive Him.

1 John 3:2-3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Hi! Just wondering if I can clarify something about your post here?
You say that you expect a daily coming of the Spirit until we see Christ fully personified in our life, and then the Rapture will come. Do you mean that you expect that the Spirit will, at some point allow us to be fully like Christ in this life? In other words, we will, in our sanctification walk, reach sinlessness. And then, when that happens, we will be Raptured? In that, each will go at their own time, as they reach that point?
Thanks!
 

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Hi! Just wondering if I can clarify something about your post here?
You say that you expect a daily coming of the Spirit until we see Christ fully personified in our life, and then the Rapture will come. Do you mean that you expect that the Spirit will, at some point allow us to be fully like Christ in this life? In other words, we will, in our sanctification walk, reach sinlessness. And then, when that happens, we will be Raptured? In that, each will go at their own time, as they reach that point?
Thanks!
Yeah, it sure sounds like that is what he is saying.
 

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"Taken, post: 431809, member: 7756"]A mystery of Gods Works;

It is The Fullness "OF" God... His Spirit that Fills "our Quickened" spirit.

Our Body's Are DEAD, (crucified).
We live IN Christ's glorified body.

Not really. We will only put on a glorified body after this body dies or is put off. It is the power of the flesh that is crucified in order to let His life take over.

(Agree we do not YET have a glorified body.
But Christ Jesus does and we live IN Christ.
And Yes our Body is dead according to Gods accounting...DEAD Spiritually, via a spiritual crucifixion. ALIVE Spiritually IN Christ, His glorified body.
We don't live IN His Spirit, we live in His Body, we walk in our Quickened spirit With His Spirit.)



Expounding in brief...

A converted man HAS A DEAD body, a justified body, yet Accounted, according to Gods Accounting DEAD.

Actually a man has a living body..which is meant to be governed first by the will (our own) and ultimately by new life in Christ which we have surrendered to Him.

(A man has his own natural life....ie his Blood.
Yes it will experience a natural death...That is not a spiritual concern. It is already established God requires the Blood Life of every living thing that has Blood.
Spiritual Life is only accomplished for men, with Gods Life, His Seed.
The mystery is How that is accomplished...
Without anatural man First being Dead via his own blood life.
Before Christ appeared, it was not accomplished outside of Jesus' direct line from Adam, Abraham, Issac, etc.
After Christ's appearance on earth...the whole world has been offered the opportunity to be crucified Spiritually and alive IN Christ.


A converted man HAS A "restored" /Saved soul.

A regenerated man has a new heart...but the soul still needs to be won over to Christ. There is the renewing of the mind to consider. That is what the race of faith is all about. A faith that is able to win over the soul into the likeness of Jesus.

(Yes, a new heart is part of the effect of becoming converted...but that does not diminish so also is a restored soul part of a Conversion)


A converted man HAS A "quickened spirit" / born again OF Gods SEED.

Yes.

A Converted man "IS ALIVE" "IN" Christs Glorified BODY.

Not so much. To take on the perfection of Christ in His humanity we need to enter into His life...and abide in Him. This requires a full surrender and acceptance of God through the gate that is Jesus...

(well, I was speaking more to the Desire / Plan of what has been opportune to us and Gods desire for what we can DO because of what He has accomplished IN us.
We have been given the "tools" power, knowledge etc.....yet will agree Many Do Not,
Necessarily know it, trust it, or Use it.


Spiritual WORKS of God, Accounted IN HIS books and records.

The Mystery IS, but, but, but, our Natural Flesh is "still naturally living".

Scripture teaches the necessity of a "continued natural flesh", as being man who is Converted, to continue relating in the same fashion "naturally seen by other "unconverted" men, that the Converted man could continue to spread, teach, reveal Gods Word TO the world.

To reveal the new life which is an eternal spiritual life from above.

However, a Converted mans BODY IS DEAD and Justified to BE Raised IN A Glorified Body,
MEANTIME, a Converted man IS alive IN Christ's Glorified BODY and walks in (the mans) new spirit "with" Gods "Indwelling" Spirit.
1 Cor 12:27

God Bless,
Taken

Say what?

(I was born naturally alive.
And spiritually Dead to God.

Then I became bodily dead Spiritually ...crucified
My body continues it's Blood Natural Life.
But now My spiritual Life Is Alive wholly...
....spiritual body...basically requires a glorified
Body. I don't have that yet...so I live in Christ's glorified body.
1 Cor 12:27

God Bless,
Taken



 

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Have you experienced His resurrection power? We have a new nature and when we enter into Christ there is a new law...the law of the Spirit of life IN Christ. There is power in His life and blood. Resurrection power that can animate these mortal bodies to be fully pleasing to God...without spot or wrinkle.

Blameless.
Yes, all the time. But there is lot more of Him to come. I am not filled with His fullness yet. I have but a drop of the ocean.
 

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You seem to be giving greater acknowledgement to YOUR Body "WHILE" talking of spiritual.

Why be concerned with a body that IS DEAD, its Sin forgiven and covered with Gods Light that it is neither seen or remembered by God?

God Bless,
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I'm saying that this sinfull body cannot contain the fullness of God.
 

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Hi! Just wondering if I can clarify something about your post here?
You say that you expect a daily coming of the Spirit until we see Christ fully personified in our life, and then the Rapture will come. Do you mean that you expect that the Spirit will, at some point allow us to be fully like Christ in this life? In other words, we will, in our sanctification walk, reach sinlessness. And then, when that happens, we will be Raptured? In that, each will go at their own time, as they reach that point?
Thanks!
No, as long as we are in this body, we will have that sticky nature. When this body is changed, only then will be perfect. But now we have Him in measure.
 

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I'm saying that this sinfull body cannot contain the fullness of God.
But that is not what Scripture reveals. People in their mortal bodies were "filled with the Spirit" in many instances in Scripture (and in life). And the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit dwell within the children of God.

1 JOHN 4
12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.


It is not the body that is sinful (a Gnostic idea), but the old Adamic nature -- called "the flesh" -- in which the tendency to sin resides. And that is within the soul. The body is under the control of the mind and the soul (as well as the spirit), and Paul says to Christians "sin shall NOT have dominion over you".
 

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But that is not what Scripture reveals. People in their mortal bodies were "filled with the Spirit" in many instances in Scripture (and in life). And the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit dwell within the children of God.

1 JOHN 4
12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.


It is not the body that is sinful (a Gnostic idea), but the old Adamic nature -- called "the flesh" -- in which the tendency to sin resides. And that is within the soul. The body is under the control of the mind and the soul (as well as the spirit), and Paul says to Christians "sin shall NOT have dominion over you".
We are only filled in measure. A drop if the ocean. The fulness contains everything. Father, Son, Holy Ghost, gifts, the Seals etc. The whole understanding of the Word of God for God is the Word. We can hardly get Matthew 28 straight with Acts 2:38 because our carnal nature gets in the way. This natural body will need to give way first to make way for yhe fullness of God.