Godliness with Contentment is Great Gain.

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Society in general has a peace problem. That problem is that there isn’t any peace, of any sort, for many many people. War between nations, tribes, races, classes, religions, sects, political parties, corporations, families and individuals, even marriages, have brought a devastating toll to mankind, for many thousands of years. War in fact is the major contributing factor to all the problems that face mankind. And it started in heaven. Lucifer, an angel equipped with all the mod-cons needful for contented living, somehow found himself discontented. He wanted more. And like the Apostle James said in his letter in the NT, (See James 4:1-4) it is lust for power and greed for things that don’t belong to you that instigate wars and fighting. It is lust and greed in other words that destroy peace. Covetousness therefore (see the 10th commandment Exodus 20:17) is our nemesis for peace of mind, peace between ourselves, and peace in our communities. So the first war started in heaven, (Revelation 12:7) and when Lucifer, now Satan, was cast down to the earth, he continued his war against God by attacking God’s people. (Revelation 12:17). And the first tacic in this war was in suggesting to Eve that she ought not be content with what she had, but desire that (to be a god) which was not hers to have.
How much suffering is caused by lust and greed, desiring those things which are not ours to have. The neighbour’s wife; the boss’s wealth; the workmate’s car; the friend’s reputation; the brother’s blessing (just look at the history between Israel and the children of Ishmael for an example of prolonged enmity on that point of contention);all examples of frequent catalysts for discontent, jealousy, lust and envy leading to fighting, feuds, bitterness, estrangement, and war. How much more peace would there be if we were willing to be content with what we had? How much peace has been forfeited through our own discontentment? All the above are weapons Satan uses to engender broken relationships between ourselves and with God. God is a God of peace. The scriptures are awash with promises of peace to those who seek Him.

For the Christian who is dedicated to serving His God and to keeping all His commandments, he cannot expect total peace however. Inner peace yes, for he is at peace with his Maker, but as long as he is in this world, he cannot expect to live in total peace. Yet Jesus in the sermon on the mount instructs His disciples to be peacemakers (Matthew 5:9), and God inspired many of the Apostolic writers to speak often of the need to seek for and to strive to live at peace, at least as in it is in our power to do so. This is not an easy call. When abused, maligned, persecuted, Jesus calls upon His followers to turn the other cheek, to not return evil with evil, but to overcome evil with good. To love our enemies, to bless them that curse us, do good to them that hate us, and pray for them that despitefully use us and persecute us. In other words, we are to offer peace to those who are even in the process of destroying it.

God desires that we be at peace. At peace with Him, at peace with one another, and at peace with ourselves. Walking down a country road at night as I used to when living in New Zealand may be quiet and peaceful as far as noise and distractions are concerned, but without peace of mind our internal musings can disturb us with greater impact than a passing train. And whether we live in Beirut, Damascus, a slum ghetto in Rio, or a sleepy little country town in rural NZ, war or the absence thereof matters little if our consciences are troubling us, or we are suffering from depression or any number of mental or spiritual disorders that can be totally debilitating to those who are thereby afflicted.

Of course there are any number of fears and worries that stress our minds and vex our lives. Empty kitchen cupboards; a growing pile of rejected job applications; phone calls from teachers or school counsellors and/or constant visits from local law enforcement officers or social workers threatening alternative accommodation for your wayward children; neighbours at war; ‘final reminders’ from debt collection agencies; all these and more are daily reminders of a life on this planet that is far too complicated and unnecessarily encumbered with strife and perplexity. However, peace with God has at its core a component by which we may place our lives in the hands of One who in grace and infinite mercy promises to have our backs in whatever situation we find ourselves in, and provide wisdom and counsel on ways and means by which we may live our lives in contentment and joy.

John 10:10 The thief comes but for kill, steal, and destroy, but I am come that you might have life, and have it in abundance...Ro 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose...1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
 

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Its interesting....
Im in pain every day... suffer every day.... In need every day... And I know I should be grateful... but the stress is taxing so much so that I cant even get excited for what many call a blessing... Giving an extra hundred here and there... but still staying in that struggle zone...

Thats not living, thats slowly dying... Losing my mind...

Hearing of the things God did in the past is fine, but when does that become a reality.... Im burnt out of church.. and tired of hearing peope speak on behalf of God... Man causes confusion.... GOd does not.... Why not Just come have a conversation then Lord? Why not? The scriptures claim the lord has been visitng people talking to them, why isnt he now?

I cant suffer another answer from a man who doesnt have the answer from God... Im tired of it. No more excuses... Just results...

GOd can clear confusion by just having a conversation... I didnt even ask to be made... let alone brought up in a world like this...

I am a husband with kids... and have to provide for them... been praying for years for financial blessing, but instead... suffering...
All man can say is... God will come through... All man can say is... God is with you.... All man can say is Endure....

But where is MY god... what is he saying... who can answer for God but God alone?

I can suffer without God, why do I need my Lord to suffer?????

Am I insane...? Praying over and over again expecting something great to come out of it?
Am I to hear the words god doesnt do miracles anymore?

Well what does he do? Who can testify on behalf of God except God himself?

Who can give me the answer?
 

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Who can give me the answer?
HA!
Good post. I have a poem i've been saving for years for just this moment, and now it strikes me that it won't be appreciated, for reasons that might become clear. You say that God could clear everything up with a little convo, but i suggest it is not quite that simple, for the simple reason that you are just not prepared to hear certain things; by which i don't mean to single you out or anything, i am not prepared to hear certain other truths, etc.

So, i am good at questions, i could give you the questions, but you want answers, and for that i would seek unbiased ones from Scripture, which your pastor is most likely not in a position to give you. For example;
Im in pain every day... suffer every day.... In need every day
die, daily.
tomorrow, after you have died, post specifically what is hurting, how you are suffering, and what your immediate needs are, if you will.
If you are in a position to die right now, then bam do so and post, and i'll be back in the am God willing, or a proxy will take over

Remember how you felt after your last 3 day fast?

so, an answer, and a question, maybe we can start there
 
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Immediate need is gods presence.... his actual presence... to hear from him. Regardless of what he says, to hear from him... Remember Habbakuk? Job? Stressing frustrated in anger... wondering where he is? Remember Jesus... on the cross, wondering where god went?

I am wondering where he is... in time of need... a shoulder to cry on... words from a father... Where is he?

If my son dialed my number every day... I would answer every call.... I would not ignore his call.
He will know its me... he will hear my voice...

Where is my father...?
 

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Immediate need is gods presence.... his actual presence... to hear from him. Regardless of what he says, to hear from him... Remember Habbakuk? Job? Stressing frustrated in anger... wondering where he is? Remember Jesus... on the cross, wondering where god went?

I am wondering where he is... in time of need... a shoulder to cry on... words from a father... Where is he?

If my son dialed my number every day... I would answer every call.... I would not ignore his call.
He will know its me... he will hear my voice...

Where is my father...?
ok, well you are not being ignored ok; i guess i am being ignored, by you, and that's your choice, but trust that God is not ignoring you; you should prolly sooner suspect that you just did not like the answer, imo.
die, daily.
tomorrow, after you have died, post specifically what is hurting, how you are suffering, and what your immediate needs are, if you will.
If you are in a position to die right now, then bam do so and post, and i'll be back in the am God willing, or a proxy will take over
you have not died before you replied, wadr
Remember how you felt after your last 3 day fast?
?
 
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Immediate need is gods presence.... his actual presence... to hear from him. Regardless of what he says, to hear from him... Remember Habbakuk? Job? Stressing frustrated in anger... wondering where he is? Remember Jesus... on the cross, wondering where god went?

I am wondering where he is... in time of need... a shoulder to cry on... words from a father... Where is he?

If my son dialed my number every day... I would answer every call.... I would not ignore his call.
He will know its me... he will hear my voice...

Where is my father...?
I can assuredly say, he is there. He seeks to save the lost. Much of my own suffering in the past has been due to my skewed paradigm and all the associated stuff.
 

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Immediate need is gods presence.... his actual presence... to hear from him. Regardless of what he says, to hear from him...
that comes in a whisper, and you must get an ear to hear that first
Remember Habbakuk? Job? Stressing frustrated in anger... wondering where he is?
nope. Show me or Quote to me "frustrated, in anger" from either one of them. You have gotten an impression that may not be accurate there wadr
Remember Jesus... on the cross, wondering where god went?
again no, and i suggest that the pop interpretation of that scene is not supportable by Scripture either! God did not forsake Jesus, and we even have a thread around here suggesting that "forsaken" is a bad English translation... @Episkopos i think? site search "forsaken" by member Episkopos if you will
 

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that comes in a whisper, and you must get an ear to hear that first
nope. Show me or Quote to me "frustrated, in anger" from either one of them. You have gotten an impression that may not be accurate there wadr
again no, and i suggest that the pop interpretation of that scene is not supportable by Scripture either! God did not forsake Jesus, and we even have a thread around here suggesting that "forsaken" is a bad English translation... @Episkopos i think? site search "forsaken" by member Episkopos if you will


Psalm 22:1 does say forsaken. But Jesus says "entangled". :)

Jesus got entangled in the affairs of men....and paid the ultimate price for it. But His resurrection "untangled" things so that we can now walk a straight path!
 

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Who says god speaks in whispers only? Did he not come in a storm to Job? Did he not make himself known to Abram?

Job cursed the day he was born in his womb... Habakkuk argues with God why he allows such injustice.

Are my concerns not as important?

What prevents The Lord from coming to the rescue of his son, am I not an adopted heir?

I pray and hear nothing... just as Habakkuk stated?

Why am I left confused without answers? My God where are you?!
 
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Who says god speaks in whispers only? Did he not come in a storm to Job? Did he not make himself known to Abram?

Job cursed the day he was born in his womb... Habakkuk argues with God why he allows such injustice.

Are my concerns not as important?

What prevents The Lord from coming to the rescue of his son, am I not an adopted heir?

I pray and hear nothing... just as Habakkuk stated?

Why am I left confused without answers? My God where are you?!
I was 24 years old when I first reached out to God. I had everything I needed. Good job, car, no debts, a little money to get me to where I wanted to be, good health, and friends. But one of those friends asked, do you think your life is pleasing to God? That night I asked him to make it pleasing to himself. I made no deals. No demands. No reservations. No compromises. Just surrender. Then I met him and my whole world turned upside down. That is my personal experience, he hasn't let me down since, and that was over 40 years ago. For what it's worth, that's my story. Take from it what you will. God is faithful. God is good. All the time.
 

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Immediate need is gods presence.... his actual presence... to hear from him. Regardless of what he says, to hear from him... Remember Habbakuk? Job? Stressing frustrated in anger... wondering where he is? Remember Jesus... on the cross, wondering where god went?

I am wondering where he is... in time of need... a shoulder to cry on... words from a father... Where is he?

If my son dialed my number every day... I would answer every call.... I would not ignore his call.
He will know its me... he will hear my voice...

Where is my father...?

Agree with others that have said you are not being ignored by God. For three years I would have told you the same; I continue to cry out and God doesn’t hear. The prayers and cries you mentioned above from the Old Testament, add in Psalms...poured over them all like you during that time and wondered where God was. But don’t forget, God was there for them. You are reading their words(inspired by the Holy Spirit). Keep asking.
 

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Jesus got entangled in the affairs of men..
Did you give this sentence some serious thought? Jesus got ENTANGLED in the affairs of men? If that were true, He would have been no different than those whom He warned to NOT get entangled in the affairs of men and the affairs of this world.

Taking upon Himself the sins of the whole world (as the Lamb of God) was certainly not *entanglement*, but it was the supreme act of sacrifice necessary for God to be reconciled to the world.

But this is what happens when we try to make Scripture say something other than what it says. You have been promoting the notion that *forsaken* in Psalm 22:1 means entangled when it actually means forsaken (two very different things). So now we have this additional false idea.
 
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Who says god speaks in whispers only? Did he not come in a storm to Job? Did he not make himself known to Abram?

Job cursed the day he was born in his womb... Habakkuk argues with God why he allows such injustice.

Are my concerns not as important?

What prevents The Lord from coming to the rescue of his son, am I not an adopted heir?

I pray and hear nothing... just as Habakkuk stated?

Why am I left confused without answers? My God where are you?!
Keep seeking Him....the Bible says to seek Him with all your heart and you will find Him and He isn't hiding.....there is just a barrier that He is trying to break through …..the very moment you called upon Him to help you He heard you.....I won't say everyone has had this same struggle but I bet there are a huge number who are where you are right now...
This poem came into my life when I was struggling so hard and felt abandoned by God....maybe it will help you as well....
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Who said only? Keep running from Him, you'll get there when you want to i guess.
Indeed, the bed is too short to stretch out on, and its cover too small to wrap up in.
 
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Who says god speaks in whispers only? Did he not come in a storm to Job? Did he not make himself known to Abram?

Job cursed the day he was born in his womb... Habakkuk argues with God why he allows such injustice.

Are my concerns not as important?

What prevents The Lord from coming to the rescue of his son, am I not an adopted heir?

I pray and hear nothing... just as Habakkuk stated?

Why am I left confused without answers? My God where are you?!


There is a time when we consider is the right time...and there is God's time .Like a drowning man...we tend to try pulling people into our problems...but just before we go under we stop kicking and panicking and we let go, resigned to our end....and THEN God intervenes.
 

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I have a pregnant wide and 3 kids... and we are about to be homeless... Will he come to our rescue? Who can honestly answer that? God allows all kinds of painful things to unfold in peoples lives, who am I to even think he'll make an exception for me? Why would I believe that THIS is the time God will save us? His own son our Lord was born in a stable... The Son of man was without a home.... Joseph was allowed to be sold into slavery and then jailed based on a false accusation... Sarah's maid was allowed to be kicked out of her home and abandoned in the wilderness until HE showed up. Job lost his kids and everything he had all in minutes...

Who am I to believe that I will be saved just because trouble is knocking on my door? God does not flinch, God is God. Regardless of our circumstance he is Perfectly fine, he is God. He has all power all might all authority... I can cry my heart out... will that move the father? Who am I to even question his will and intentions?

Is everything a test all the time? Is it punishment, and if so why remember my sins? Who am I that my sins have to be remembered? I feel like the son on the cross... "father why have you forsaken me?" IN that moment he felt abandoned and alone... We want to rationalize what we think occurred on the cross as to paint a certain aspect of God, forgetting that Jesus had to go through pain and suffering.

Tell me this, who can tell me this, if I am confused, would not a conversation with the lord clear everything up? If he came down and sat with me and gave me clear instruction what excuse do I have?

This man says one thing, that man says another thing, this woman says that, and yet another woman says that....

Is that not confusion? Can the all mighty powerful father creator of the cosmos and all things with life, not come down and end confusion once and for all? I don't believe anything is too difficult for the Lord... but when it comes to answers... healing... anything good... its a guessing game... you have to decipher voices in your head... try to figure out if its of God, the enemy, or your own desires... Who can hold back the mighty voice of the lord, is it not like the voice of an archangel? Then what is a whisper, what barrier can hold God back. Can he not do what he wants how he wants?

Then whats stopping him from communicating...? What can stop God almighty? Who can give that answer? If I in free will desire to hear my god, is that not an open invitation? What holds him back? Hes not hiding, but I am seeking. Where is My god?!

He made this world and all life in it, and he does not come and check in?

11“Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? 12“Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? 13“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”

Did the lord not say that above??? Then why is it not being revealed? Does his word not turn back void? He said that!
Are we to presume to know what God is doing? How can we with assuredly dare to answer on behalf of God as if he gave us those words? Wheres the confirmation? Is that an opinion of man or a word given by God? Cannot God speak for himself? Hasnt he done so in the passed? Are we so powerful that we can resist God? Where is My father...

I can suffer without the lord, why suffer with the "Savior" the providor, the Lord... The loving God?
I'm so warn out my god.. I cant bare anymore... I asked for you to come comfort me, and my tears have no cup to fill...
I ask for you to speak with me, but all I hear is nothing... my nights crying in the car waiting on you... and you just leave me, as if I am tree bark, or a wilted blade of grass... my god... This does not instill trust, it does the opposite... I never know if you are going to have my back...

I hear people say just knowing you exist is enough... The atheist know you exist... SO do other evil doers... How can I build a relationship without communication? How do I get to know you if you ignore me? Am I cursed? Lord why...?

And of course, who am I the clay... to ask the maker why he formed me this way....? Lord... god I cant bare anymore.... spare my kids and my wife and take me out if you must... but I love them... Spare them.
 

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I can suffer without the lord, why suffer with the "Savior"

Because He suffers with you. Hebrews 4:15-16 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. [16] Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Romans 2:4
[4] Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Joseph was allowed to be sold into slavery and then jailed based on a false accusation...

To feed his brethren when the famine hit.

Sarah's maid was allowed to be kicked out of her home and abandoned in the wilderness

Because she would be the “bondwoman” brought into the freewoman’s house and set free becoming as the free woman. To declare His mercy.
 
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I have a pregnant wide and 3 kids... and we are about to be homeless... Will he come to our rescue? Who can honestly answer that? God allows all kinds of painful things to unfold in peoples lives, who am I to even think he'll make an exception for me? Why would I believe that THIS is the time God will save us? His own son our Lord was born in a stable... The Son of man was without a home.... Joseph was allowed to be sold into slavery and then jailed based on a false accusation... Sarah's maid was allowed to be kicked out of her home and abandoned in the wilderness until HE showed up. Job lost his kids and everything he had all in minutes...

Who am I to believe that I will be saved just because trouble is knocking on my door? God does not flinch, God is God. Regardless of our circumstance he is Perfectly fine, he is God. He has all power all might all authority... I can cry my heart out... will that move the father? Who am I to even question his will and intentions?

Is everything a test all the time? Is it punishment, and if so why remember my sins? Who am I that my sins have to be remembered? I feel like the son on the cross... "father why have you forsaken me?" IN that moment he felt abandoned and alone... We want to rationalize what we think occurred on the cross as to paint a certain aspect of God, forgetting that Jesus had to go through pain and suffering.

Tell me this, who can tell me this, if I am confused, would not a conversation with the lord clear everything up? If he came down and sat with me and gave me clear instruction what excuse do I have?

This man says one thing, that man says another thing, this woman says that, and yet another woman says that....

Is that not confusion? Can the all mighty powerful father creator of the cosmos and all things with life, not come down and end confusion once and for all? I don't believe anything is too difficult for the Lord... but when it comes to answers... healing... anything good... its a guessing game... you have to decipher voices in your head... try to figure out if its of God, the enemy, or your own desires... Who can hold back the mighty voice of the lord, is it not like the voice of an archangel? Then what is a whisper, what barrier can hold God back. Can he not do what he wants how he wants?

Then whats stopping him from communicating...? What can stop God almighty? Who can give that answer? If I in free will desire to hear my god, is that not an open invitation? What holds him back? Hes not hiding, but I am seeking. Where is My god?!

He made this world and all life in it, and he does not come and check in?

11“Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? 12“Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? 13“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”

Did the lord not say that above??? Then why is it not being revealed? Does his word not turn back void? He said that!
Are we to presume to know what God is doing? How can we with assuredly dare to answer on behalf of God as if he gave us those words? Wheres the confirmation? Is that an opinion of man or a word given by God? Cannot God speak for himself? Hasnt he done so in the passed? Are we so powerful that we can resist God? Where is My father...

I can suffer without the lord, why suffer with the "Savior" the providor, the Lord... The loving God?
I'm so warn out my god.. I cant bare anymore... I asked for you to come comfort me, and my tears have no cup to fill...
I ask for you to speak with me, but all I hear is nothing... my nights crying in the car waiting on you... and you just leave me, as if I am tree bark, or a wilted blade of grass... my god... This does not instill trust, it does the opposite... I never know if you are going to have my back...

I hear people say just knowing you exist is enough... The atheist know you exist... SO do other evil doers... How can I build a relationship without communication? How do I get to know you if you ignore me? Am I cursed? Lord why...?

And of course, who am I the clay... to ask the maker why he formed me this way....? Lord... god I cant bare anymore.... spare my kids and my wife and take me out if you must... but I love them... Spare them.

One suggestion, and that is all it is...a suggestion hopefully to lift you up. It seems you are distraught because you are (or believe you are) failing to lead your family physically(as provider of shelter and security) but ask God to teach you to Spiritually lead your family and then you will not fail your household.
 

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Tell me this, who can tell me this, if I am confused, would not a conversation with the lord clear everything up? If he came down and sat with me and gave me clear instruction what excuse do I have?
That is a reasonable expectation. I sympathize and empathize with you.

I am sorry to hear that you are in dire straits. If you are associated with a local church, you should at least sit down with the leadership there and ask for help.
 
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"Homeless" might even be your rescue;
the Son of Man has no place to lay His head

"I ask for you to speak with me, but all I hear is nothing"
so at least you admit that you can't hear, with all due respect;
God has already said all He is going to say on the matter, fwiw
 
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