Non-Tongue Speakers Roll Call Poll Survey

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Non Tongue Speakers Roll Call Poll Survey

  • I had faked tongues, but no longer

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  • I had spoken in tongues for private use, but I shun it now to pray normally

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  • I had spoken in tongues at one time with interpretation, but never again after that

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  • I had spoken in tongues at one time without interpretation, but never again after that

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  • I had spoken in tongues in both ways, with interpretation & without, but never again after that.

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  • I have given people the tongue, but never spoken in God's gift of tongues or otherwise;)

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I haven't voted in either of your polls.
You haven't yet created a poll category that I can say 'yes' to.
There are people who speak in tongues (privately and/or publicly) without having been instructed or had hands laid on them in a meeting (with or without falling down), who consider it a gift of the Spirit NOT linked to salvation, and don't expect every Christian to do it.
 

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I told you, no instructions needed.

Because unless there is an interpreter, then the gift of tongues is not to be exercised in the church. What is hard about that?

No one is wresting Paul's words but you. "Forbid not to speak in tongues"

Stranger

"Forbid not to speak in tongues" means tongues for use only in the assembly because no one can forbid you if you are using tongues privately.

"Let everything be done in decency and order" is lost on you, otherwise you would know that tongues without interpretation is confusion even for you.
 

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There are two very different interpretations of 1 Corinthians 14, and you will never get agreement on this chapter. Best to move on.

Pray that He will help me to move on when He wants me to move on.
 

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I haven't voted in either of your polls.
You haven't yet created a poll category that I can say 'yes' to.
There are people who speak in tongues (privately and/or publicly) without having been instructed or had hands laid on them in a meeting (with or without falling down), who consider it a gift of the Spirit NOT linked to salvation, and don't expect every Christian to do it.

Frank Lee separates baptism with the Holy Spirit from the born again of the Spirit at salvation. Most that speak in tongues do not care to correct him as some do wish other saved believers may know the baptism of the Holy Ghost when Romans 8:9 says that all believers has Him as promised at their salvation.

Frank Lee would refer to Acts 19 as if that was about believers that did not know about the Holy Ghost when they were disciples of John the Baptist's for why Paul had to tell them about Jesus and then water baptized them in His name before they were actually saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13 & Ephesians 4:4-6 & Ephesians 1:11-15 & 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 reproves any false notion about receiving the Spirit apart from salvation as it is necessary for modern day tongue speakers to be able to discern that spirit coming over them later on in life as a saved believer, was not the Holy Spirit for why that supernatural tongue is never coming with interpretation. Those that says that it does, are winging the interpretation by "getting the feel of what the tongue is saying" as Joyce Meyers explains interpretation when it is not a language of men at all to be interpreted which she is wrong Biblically.

Believers like yourself, need to take a step back and go before that throne of grace and ask Jesus for help in testing the spirits and the tongues they bring as the apostle John instructs in 1 John 4:1-6 because the world has a supernatural tongue before Pentecost which is gibberish which is why God would never imitate that kind of tongue nor would He change the purpose of His gift of tongues which is for speaking unto the people ( 1 Corinthians 14:21 )
 

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"Forbid not to speak in tongues" means tongues for use only in the assembly because no one can forbid you if you are using tongues privately.

"Let everything be done in decency and order" is lost on you, otherwise you would know that tongues without interpretation is confusion even for you.

Paul makes no distinction between here between tongues in the assembly or tongues in private. "Forbid not to speak with tongues". Which is what you are doing. You say now that it is only for use in the assembly, but you have stated before that it is not for use in the U.S. You are forbidding to speak in tongues, period. And now you are misrepresenting yourself.

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JesusIsFaithful

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Paul makes no distinction between here between tongues in the assembly or tongues in private. "Forbid not to speak with tongues". Which is what you are doing. You say now that it is only for use in the assembly, but you have stated before that it is not for use in the U.S. You are forbidding to speak in tongues, period. And now you are misrepresenting yourself.

Stranger

Quoting my words out of context will get you no points, Stranger.

When every one speaks the same language, and the purpose of tongues with interpretation is to edify the body of believers, and we have the written scripture available, there is no need for a run around. The Holy Spirit is not vain in the manifestations of the gifts in the assembly.

But you guys paint the "Holy Spirit" as vain when insisting you can use tongues for private use for why I discern tongues for private use is not of Him because the Holy spirit is not vain nor a respecter of person to divide the body of Christ in that way.

There are no benefits for tongues for private use for then every one would be speaking in tongues for God to abstain from the appearance of evil of slighting those in the body of Christ by not also giving them tongues for private use.

All this tongue is for.. is to promote another calling, another baptism with the Holy Ghost, thus another gospel, and you can't see yourself doing that.
 

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Quoting my words out of context will get you no points, Stranger.

When every one speaks the same language, and the purpose of tongues with interpretation is to edify the body of believers, and we have the written scripture available, there is no need for a run around. The Holy Spirit is not vain in the manifestations of the gifts in the assembly.

But you guys paint the "Holy Spirit" as vain when insisting you can use tongues for private use for why I discern tongues for private use is not of Him because the Holy spirit is not vain nor a respecter of person to divide the body of Christ in that way.

There are no benefits for tongues for private use for then every one would be speaking in tongues for God to abstain from the appearance of evil of slighting those in the body of Christ by not also giving them tongues for private use.

All this tongue is for.. is to promote another calling, another baptism with the Holy Ghost, thus another gospel, and you can't see yourself doing that.

It wasn't out of context.

No you are the only one painting the Holy Spirit as vain, because you disagree with tongues. Don't project your opinion on me.

Tongues edifies the believer who has the gift. That is a benefit.

Exercising the gift of tongues is not a baptism of the Holy Ghost. It is a spiritual gift from the Holy Ghost.

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Frank Lee separates baptism with the Holy Spirit from the born again of the Spirit at salvation. Most that speak in tongues do not care to correct him as some do wish other saved believers may know the baptism of the Holy Ghost when Romans 8:9 says that all believers has Him as promised at their salvation.

Frank Lee would refer to Acts 19 as if that was about believers that did not know about the Holy Ghost when they were disciples of John the Baptist's for why Paul had to tell them about Jesus and then water baptized them in His name before they were actually saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13 & Ephesians 4:4-6 & Ephesians 1:11-15 & 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 reproves any false notion about receiving the Spirit apart from salvation as it is necessary for modern day tongue speakers to be able to discern that spirit coming over them later on in life as a saved believer, was not the Holy Spirit for why that supernatural tongue is never coming with interpretation. Those that says that it does, are winging the interpretation by "getting the feel of what the tongue is saying" as Joyce Meyers explains interpretation when it is not a language of men at all to be interpreted which she is wrong Biblically.

Believers like yourself, need to take a step back and go before that throne of grace and ask Jesus for help in testing the spirits and the tongues they bring as the apostle John instructs in 1 John 4:1-6 because the world has a supernatural tongue before Pentecost which is gibberish which is why God would never imitate that kind of tongue nor would He change the purpose of His gift of tongues which is for speaking unto the people ( 1 Corinthians 14:21 )

Of course we all receive the Holy Spirit when we are saved.
But very few of us receive all our spiritual gifts at that same time - whether tongues, prophecy, wisdom or anything else. They may be given to us at any stage in our Christian walk. Speaking in tongues after being a Christian for 20 years doesn't mean that you didn't have the Holy Spirit before.

The Acts 19 'believers' were presumably not Christians, or else Paul wouldn't have baptised them again. They didn't have any evidence of the Spirit's work in them - neither gifts nor fruit, presumably.

If it's only possible to receive the Holy Spirit once, please explain how the apostles were filled with the Spirit at Pentecost (Acts 2) and then filled again a few weeks or months later (Acts 4:31).
 
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If it's only possible to receive the Holy Spirit once, please explain how the apostles were filled with the Spirit at Pentecost (Acts 2) and then filled again a few weeks or months later (Acts 4:31).
There is a difference between receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit (which is just once) and being filled with the Spirit (which can happen many times thereafter). To be filled with the Spirit is to be totally under the control and influence of the Holy Spirit, and is connected to speaking the Word of God boldly (among other things).
 

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It wasn't out of context.

No you are the only one painting the Holy Spirit as vain, because you disagree with tongues. Don't project your opinion on me.

Tongues edifies the believer who has the gift. That is a benefit.

Exercising the gift of tongues is not a baptism of the Holy Ghost. It is a spiritual gift from the Holy Ghost.

Stranger

The kind of tongue you are defending comes by another baptism of the Holy Ghost apart from salvation, or have you not been paying attention to how modern day tongue speakers have been getting that tongue? When it happens to believers later on in life, they are preaching another calling to other believers to seek after that other baptism of the Holy Ghost that comes with evidence of tongues or in other words, by the sign of tongues. That, brother, is another gospel beng preached as it has nothing to do with the calling of the gospel.
 

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Of course we all receive the Holy Spirit when we are saved.
But very few of us receive all our spiritual gifts at that same time - whether tongues, prophecy, wisdom or anything else. They may be given to us at any stage in our Christian walk. Speaking in tongues after being a Christian for 20 years doesn't mean that you didn't have the Holy Spirit before.

Some do say that. Although tongue speakers claim they will get on those that say that here in this forum, they do not see how their defense is actually leading to that false conclusion to those that do not speak in tongues that do not know any better.

The Acts 19 'believers' were presumably not Christians, or else Paul wouldn't have baptised them again. They didn't have any evidence of the Spirit's work in them - neither gifts nor fruit, presumably.

They were disciples of John the Baptist's. That was why they were not believers in Jesus Christ. Frank Lee had used that reference to imply that believers can get the baptism with the Holy Spirit apart from salvation and he continues to forget that those were disciples of John the Baptist's.

If it's only possible to receive the Holy Spirit once, please explain how the apostles were filled with the Spirit at Pentecost (Acts 2) and then filled again a few weeks or months later (Acts 4:31).

At the beginning of Acts 4, Peter & John were preaching when 5,000 Jews believed in what they were preaching before they got arrested. After they were released, they went into their own company, the prospective new believers. After Peter & John had told them what they had happened to them, the 5,000 company of Jews that were new believers, prayed a prayer that they too may preach with the same boldness as Peter & John. That was when these Jews were officially saved. You can see that by what had happened afterwards when they came together, bringing everything they own and laid it at the apostles feet and shared everything in that NEW community of believers in Christ. So one has to look at the after effects for why these were interested believers that got saved when they made that prayer to be also like Peter & John in preaching the gospel with boldness and etc.

Peter & John were not filled again with the Holy Spirit when the 5,000 were praying to be like Peter & John which was at the time the 5,000 were saved too..
 

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The kind of tongue you are defending comes by another baptism of the Holy Ghost apart from salvation, or have you not been paying attention to how modern day tongue speakers have been getting that tongue? When it happens to believers later on in life, they are preaching another calling to other believers to seek after that other baptism of the Holy Ghost that comes with evidence of tongues or in other words, by the sign of tongues. That, brother, is another gospel beng preached as it has nothing to do with the calling of the gospel.

No, it is the gift of tongues.

The gift of tongues is not another baptism. It is not given as evidence of the Holy Ghost. It is a gift. The one that has it, certainly has the gift of the Holy Spirit.

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No, it is the gift of tongues.

The gift of tongues is not another baptism. It is not given as evidence of the Holy Ghost. It is a gift. The one that has it, certainly has the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Stranger

You don't see anything strange when they give that calling to seek the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of tongues at all, then?

That is how they prompt already saved believers in seeking that "second blessing" by.
 

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"And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him.
And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly." Mark 8:22-25
 
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You don't see anything strange when they give that calling to seek the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of tongues at all, then?

That is how they prompt already saved believers in seeking that "second blessing" by.

I am not contending with any 'they' as you are. I am simply giving what I believe the understanding of the Scripture is. I believe this is part of your problem. You are attacking a 'they'. Thus you want Scripture to come against them. Even though it doesn't always.

I have no problems with the believers receiving a second, or even a third or fourth blessing from the Holy Spirit. That doesn't mean it has to be evidenced with speaking in tongues. But that doesn't mean there isn't the gift of tongues.

But in our walk with the Lord, at times the Holy Ghost appears more real in our lives than at other times. And when such times occurs it is only natural that ones gift from the Holy Spirit would manifest itself more. Thus if one has the gift of tongues, then they would manifest that gift. And for that reason some of 'them' may say that one needs that gift of tongues as a second blessing, because that is their experience. Whereas those who don't have the gift of tongues don't have that experience.

You can find this problem with all of the gifts of the Holy Ghost. Those who have the gift of evangelism, have a hard time with those with the gift of teaching, and vice versa. Those with the gift of mercy have a hard time with those with the gift of discernment of spirits, and vice versa. And everyone hates the prophet.

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I am not contending with any 'they' as you are. I am simply giving what I believe the understanding of the Scripture is. I believe this is part of your problem. You are attacking a 'they'. Thus you want Scripture to come against them. Even though it doesn't always.

I have no problems with the believers receiving a second, or even a third or fourth blessing from the Holy Spirit. That doesn't mean it has to be evidenced with speaking in tongues. But that doesn't mean there isn't the gift of tongues.

But in our walk with the Lord, at times the Holy Ghost appears more real in our lives than at other times. And when such times occurs it is only natural that ones gift from the Holy Spirit would manifest itself more. Thus if one has the gift of tongues, then they would manifest that gift. And for that reason some of 'them' may say that one needs that gift of tongues as a second blessing, because that is their experience. Whereas those who don't have the gift of tongues don't have that experience.

You can find this problem with all of the gifts of the Holy Ghost. Those who have the gift of evangelism, have a hard time with those with the gift of teaching, and vice versa. Those with the gift of mercy have a hard time with those with the gift of discernment of spirits, and vice versa. And everyone hates the prophet.

Stranger

So basically you are arguing against scripture about the warning against those who preach another spirit to receive that they have not received and thus another Jesus and another gospel ( 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 )

You believe that there is no need to test any spirit but believe every spirit to be the holy Spirit thus disregarding 1 John 4:1-6 , especially when they speak in supernatural tongues as the world speaks.

You are okay with having no need to defend the faith ( 2 Corinthians 13:5 ) as many yahoos out there can go on after getting that "Holy Ghost" the second time by sign of tongues by having continual receiving of other signs of confusion regardless of the prophetic warning of 1 Timothy 4:1-2.

You refuse to acknowledge that tongues for private use with no interpretation is confusion even for the tongue speaker as Paul has said for tongues to come with interpretation from another for even him to understand it?

1 Corinthians 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

You don't see mystery Babylon, the mother of harlots at work, whereby many nations of believers have committed spiritual fornication against the Bridegroom?

Scripture cannot go against scripture, but if you can't see that you are wresting Paul's words because of your love for tongues for private use, I leave you to God.
 

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So basically you are arguing against scripture about the warning against those who preach another spirit to receive that they have not received and thus another Jesus and another gospel ( 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 )

You believe that there is no need to test any spirit but believe every spirit to be the holy Spirit thus disregarding 1 John 4:1-6 , especially when they speak in supernatural tongues as the world speaks.

You are okay with having no need to defend the faith ( 2 Corinthians 13:5 ) as many yahoos out there can go on after getting that "Holy Ghost" the second time by sign of tongues by having continual receiving of other signs of confusion regardless of the prophetic warning of 1 Timothy 4:1-2.

You refuse to acknowledge that tongues for private use with no interpretation is confusion even for the tongue speaker as Paul has said for tongues to come with interpretation from another for even him to understand it?

1 Corinthians 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

You don't see mystery Babylon, the mother of harlots at work, whereby many nations of believers have committed spiritual fornication against the Bridegroom?

Scripture cannot go against scripture, but if you can't see that you are wresting Paul's words because of your love for tongues for private use, I leave you to God.

(2 Cor. 11:1-4) is not addressing the gifts of the Holy Ghost.

Where did I say we should not test the spirits? Where does it say 'especially with tongues'?

I already explained my view of the 'second blessing'. Why do you give (1 Time 4:1-2) as reference but do not present it? I will tell you, because it does not pertain to the conversation. You have become a coward.

Well, Paul never said what you are saying. Why should I acknowlege it?

No, I don't see any 'mystery Babylon, the mother of harlots at work'. I see you coming against something that is from God. "(1 Cor. 14:39) "Forbid not to speak in tongues".

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As far as the Book of Acts tongues just means languages. From the people all over they said how are they to speak different languages? I don't think as far as today we don't need tongues as much. We live in todays advanced society.. you can hire at hospitals and churches your own interpreter. So if there's any tongues today I think it would be pretty rare.
 

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As far as the Book of Acts tongues just means languages. From the people all over they said how are they to speak different languages? I don't think as far as today we don't need tongues as much. We live in todays advanced society.. you can hire at hospitals and churches your own interpreter. So if there's any tongues today I think it would be pretty rare.
What if the language was an ancient Native Am language, long forgotten?
Or the same with, say, an Indian or Korean or Persian or tribal African language from 2000 BCE... forgotten?

Cuz that's what they and mine sound like to me!!!
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As far as the Book of Acts tongues just means languages. From the people all over they said how are they to speak different languages? I don't think as far as today we don't need tongues as much. We live in todays advanced society.. you can hire at hospitals and churches your own interpreter. So if there's any tongues today I think it would be pretty rare.

Consider the types of people present on the day of Pentecost.

1.) The disciples who were speaking with other tongues. (Acts 2:1-4)

2.) The multitude of believers of God, though not Christian in the NT sense, from many different countries, who heard and understood the disciples in their own language. (Acts 2:5-12)

3.) The unbelievers of God, both in the OT and NT sense, who mocked this display and claimed the disciples were drunk. (Acts 2:13-15)

There is no reason to believe the disciples were speaking different known languages. The unbelieving group would have never considered them such a mockery and drunk if they had been. It was all gibberish to the unbelieving.

I believe the disciples were speaking in 'tongues' meaning unknown tongues of which no human language existed. And then came the miracle of the believers being able to 'hear' and 'understand' in their own language what the disciples were saying.

Then when Peter addresses the unbelieving, he speaks in the known language. (Acts 2:14)

I believe if the gift of tongues is rarely used in the Church today, it is due to the fake or incorrect use of it. But I do believe it still exists and many believers have the real thing.

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